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Topic: Can anyone tell me why I still randomly crash to the desktop when I change characters...
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Malavir
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Can anyone tell me why I still randomly crash to the desktop when I change characters...
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Is there any information here that is causing this? I've been told time and time again that this is a plug-in issue and not a decal issue, however I've tried each and every plug-in by itself and I still have a problem. Most times I am running 1-2 at the same time. This has been going on since the decal release post ToD. Thanks in advance for any input.
Mal
Decal (DenAgent.exe) version: 2.9.5.0
type, enabled, name, version, clsid
Plugins, 1, ELTank v2.6.0.20-Beta-7, 2.6.0.20, {39E9E0F5-85D7-4C38-87D6-3BBCB853357E}
Plugins, 0, Decal Hotkey System, 2.9.5.0, {6B6B9FA8-37DE-4FA3-8C60-52BD6A2F9855}
Plugins, 0, Sort It!, 5.9.6.0, {70DDE3AE-5ADD-4003-9600-C2F6830D7670}
Plugins, 0, LifeTank XI, 11.7.0.0, {910C0F8E-827A-4E35-A980-50D57D0B1296}
Plugins, 0, Mule Trade It!, 0.0.0.368, {9D762D6E-6444-485A-B242-C50386013763}
Plugins, 0, The Deep, 2.7.0.20, {E72999D8-9218-4FB8-A978-DF4320E64AF1}
Network Filters, 1, Echo Filter 2, 2.9.5.0, {34239EAD-6317-4C40-A405-193BA5232DD8}
Network Filters, 1, Character Stats Filter, 2.9.5.0, {4540C969-08D1-46BF-97AD-6B19D3C10BEE}
Network Filters, 1, World Object Filter, 2.9.5.0, {53092D1B-F0B0-46FF-BF11-8F031EC9B137}
Network Filters, 1, Decal FileService, 2.9.5.0, {5E9B2FC3-C251-4589-8CE3-2BCA542B98B6}
Network Filters, 1, Identify Queue Filter, 2.9.5.0, {B0C05A9A-273D-4BC4-B7BA-E27CF94C8EF4}
Network Filters, 1, SpellFilter, 2.9.5.0, {C2D43735-BE7E-4829-AF73-F2E7E820EB16}
Network Filters, 1, Darkside Filter, 11.7.0.0, {F93FD48F-BA68-4BF5-A7B3-7908D1634331}
Services, 1, Decal .NET Lifetime Service, 2.9.5.0, {71A69713-6593-47EC-0001-0000000DECA1}
Services, 1, Decal Dat Service, 2.9.5.0, {37B083F0-276E-43AD-8D26-3F7449B519DC}
Services, 1, Decal Render Service, 2.9.5.0, {FB3C8286-88ED-4B4D-B413-94B40F346239}
Services, 1, Decal Inject Gateway Service, 2.9.5.0, {FEFE5CAB-10E4-404F-AD4D-184BCB506099}
Services, 1, Decal Input Service, 2.9.5.0, {B33307BA-706D-474A-80B9-70BB8D13EF3E}
Services, 1, Decal Networking Service, 2.9.5.0, {C8C406F8-BA2E-4964-8B04-FF38394A8E0E}
Services, 1, Decal D3DService, 2.9.5.0, {F0CC07A0-2C89-4FA4-9356-714665BC2F8B}
Surrogates, 1, Decal.Adapter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {71A69713-6593-47EC-0002-0000000DECA1}
Surrogates, 1, Prefilter Network Filter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {443D4A68-5422-4E0C-9460-973F8FBDB190}
Surrogates, 1, ActiveX Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {7559F22F-C56F-4621-AE08-9C354D799D4B}
Surrogates, -1, Version 1 Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {3D837F6E-B5CA-4604-885F-7AB45FCFA62A}
Input Actions, 1, Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {324D76B8-D8C7-4A81-B867-E4E1F874E488}
Input Actions, 1, Mouse Move Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {57D18578-0BF0-4DE5-A0A9-E7CB531C0429}
Input Actions, 1, Restore Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {6EE2F682-7129-44BE-84B9-787BAE35EC1C}
Input Actions, 1, Polled Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {762335B2-2274-4BB4-8B1F-F7286C949FF7}
Input Actions, 1, Typing Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {9CDCEEDC-F8AC-42D5-9A05-52B9346D00A4}
Input Actions, 1, Event Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {D6E4BD19-4900-4515-BCE2-A9EA4AAE2699}
Operating System:
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
[Protected Storage Service] : Automatic
Decal Settings
: Timer (Default)
[Portal Path] : C:\Program Files\Turbine\Asheron's Call - Throne of Destiny\
[Launcher App] : acclient.exe
: http://update.decaldev.com
[memlocs.xml] : 24464 bytes, Version 0.0.11.2771
[messages.xml] : 52677 bytes, Version 2006.05.18.3
[Video Memory] : 258994176
D3DX Libraries (Only d3dx9_30 is required)
[d3dx9_24.dll] : Installed (9.5.132.0)
[d3dx9_25.dll] : Installed (9.6.168.0)
[d3dx9_26.dll] : Installed (9.7.239.0)
[d3dx9_27.dll] : Installed (9.8.299.0)
[d3dx9_28.dll] : Installed (9.10.455.0)
[d3dx9_29.dll] : Installed (9.11.519.0)
[d3dx9_30.dll] : Installed (9.12.589.0)
---Support Libraries ---
Note: The following libraries are not necessary for Decal to function and are only provided to be of use to plugin developers.
.NET Frameworks
[v1.0.3705] (1.0 Final) : Not Installed
[v1.1.4322] (1.1 Final) : Installed (Service Pack 1)
[v2.0.50215] (2.0 Beta 2) : Not Installed
[v2.0.50727] (2.0 Final) : Installed
C++ Libraries
[msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.96.90)
[atl70.dll] : Not Installed
[mfc70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcr70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[msvcp70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0)
[atl71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[mfc71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
[msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4)
[msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0)
Microsoft XML Libraries
[msxml3.dll] : Installed (8.50.2162.0)
[msxml4.dll] : Installed (4.20.9818.0)
---Video Device Information---
[Device] : NVIDIA GeForce 6600
[Device Name] : \\.\DISPLAY1
[KeyDeviceID] : Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_00F2&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_A2
[KeyDeviceKey] : \Registry\Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{4D38DD73-F4B6-4B23-8D72-A0637113556B}\0000
[Manufacturer] : NVIDIA
[ChipType] : GeForce 6600
[DACType] : Integrated RAMDAC
[Revision] :
[MemoryLocalised] : 256.0 MB
[MemoryEnglish] : 256.0 MB
[DisplayLocalised] : 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
[DisplayEnglish] : 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (60Hz)
[DisplayWidth] : 1024
[DisplayHeight] : 768
[DisplayBpp] : 32
[RefreshRate] : 60
[MonitorName] : Plug and Play Monitor
[MonitorMaxRes] : 1600,1200
[DriverName] : nv4_disp.dll
[DriverVersion] : 6.14.0010.7777
[DriverAttributes] : Final Retail
[DriverLangEnglish] : English
[DriverLangLocal] : English
[DriverDateEng] : 7/20/2005 21:07:00
[DriverDateLocal] : 7/20/2005 21:07:00
[DriverSize] : 3908864
[MiniVdd] : nv4_mini.sys
[MiniVddDateEng] : 7/20/2005 21:07:00
[MiniVddDateLocal] : 7/20/2005 21:07:00
[MiniVddSize] : 3198368
[Vdd] : n/a
[RenderWindow] : Yes
: No
[Debug] : No
[Signed] : No
[SignValid] : No
: {D7B71E3E-43B2-11CF-D17D-0A2003C2CB35}
[DDIVer] : 9
[DDIVerEng] : 9 (or higher)
[DDIVerLocal] : 9 (or higher)
: 0
[VendorID] : 0x10DE
[DeviceID] : 0x00F2
[SubSystemID] : 0x00000000
[RevisionID] : 0x00A2
[WHQL Level] : 0
[NoHardware] : 0
[DDAccelEnabled] : Yes
[3DAccelExists] : Yes
[3DAccelEnabled] : Yes
[AGP Enabled] : Yes
[AGPExists] : Yes
[AGPExistsValid] : Yes
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Can anyone tell me why I still randomly crash to the desktop when I change characters...
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i think everyone crashes
decal and many plugins are very unstable
but it is probably el tank that is crashing you at log out
elgar has said there is a problem but seems he could care less about it
which is the norm for the people who create this plug ins
almost every plug in now causes crashes
what it comes down to is if you want to use decal be prepard to crash
often an dont expect any help
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the only plugin that causes this crash for me (based on trial and error) is Treestats. for some reason it can cause a client error or just crash when switching characters. I still use it and just put up with being booted say every 3rd character change (average not tested).
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Ashake
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Can anyone tell me why I still randomly crash to the desktop when I change characters...
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I've had this happen at logout, sometimes at login after a character change. I've tried taking a few minutes between character swaps, too ... I've also noticed it more when I have TreeStats running, but it also happens when I disable that plugin.
At this point, I'm grateful to have the functionality of the plugins to use to help my allegiance members, so I will put up with a bit of annoyance.
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Slowly count to 5 between logout of one char to login of another char.
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Malavir
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Can anyone tell me why I still randomly crash to the desktop when I change characters...
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I could count to 1 million slowly, time has nothing to do with it. I've left my comp and come back hours later and as soon as I try to log another toon I crash. As you can see by the list I do not use Treestats so that's not the issue for me *shrug* I know it's a pretty common issue that's why I am so suprised it has yet to be fixed.
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Time WILL make a differance, at least does for me. If I pause about 5 to 10 seconds between getting to character screen and attempting to bring on new char I only crash about 10% of the time. If I don't pause and try right away I crash 100% of the time.
Now it could be others are running plug-ins I'm not that could be causing crashes all the time. One that does that to me is imp-inventory, it doesnt' crash me on log in but as soon as I try to open a chest it will crash. I've learned to live with it as I do use imp-inventory alot, I just keep it off when don't need it.
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There are only 3 plugins I use: Find It, LifeTank and Mule it.
I still crash if I switch characters too fast. If you do wait for about 5-10 seconds between character change, you will see almost no crashing. It also seems that if you do wait a long time (1+ hours) you will crash as soon as you get into game. Who knows why, could be just a simple idle problem with the game and decal wtih plugins. Who knows.
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Sometimes I'll log out my main and leave AC at the character selection screen when I do RL errands. When I try to log my main back in, I will sometimes crash.
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I can reinforce the original poster's issue, I am having the exact same problem with nothing but El Tank and Decal Companion in my program list.
Before someone says anything, No, it is not Tank crashing it. I can unload and uninstall Tank and it will still crash. It IS Decal crashing it, and I haven't narrowed down why quite yet, but I'm still looking...
Also, just like the other guy, time makes no difference, I could count to a million, it wouldn't matter. I tried waiting about a 30 seconds between logins. My crashes seem to be only on logout and intermittently when interacting with various objects (selling, picking up, etc.) although I did get one when running through the Caul yesterday for no apparent reason.
**Edit - just uninstalled decal and tank and deleted the file folders, then deleted the reg entries in Software on local machine for all the plugins, decal, and anything else I could find pertaining to decal, then reinstalled decal and tank, going to see how this does**
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try deleteing all the stuff again, but this time, only re-install Decal and don't re-install Decal Companion or Tank.
Try with a default Decal install only.. see if it still crashes.
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So far, mine is working fine. The registry still had entries from years ago in it for plugins that I no longer use, like ACMSN and Treestats, etc.
In conclusion, following the steps for performing a clean install of Decal on the website, it seems to have worked so far, although I've still not completed testing it yet. (It was running for hours at times before with no issue and would happen all of a sudden for no reason)
http://forums.acdev.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3445
Also deleted the registry entries for the plugins after uninstalling them. Luckily I keep a slim list of things I use and could still remember what all I had from before. 
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