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Topic: Decal takes forever to load

Naia-Ra-Sal Posts: 7,724 Registered: Sep 28, '00 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,244 User ID: 46,420	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	It really takes long to load , i downloaded the new version and have no other troubles at all with it. Loading takes so long , when i use dual log to log in my account ,the first client will be up and running with no decal since it took to long. My hard disk is freshly defraged so that wont be the problem. here is an export Decal (DenAgent.exe) version: 2.9.5.0 type, enabled, name, version, clsid Plugins, 1, Decal Hotkey System, 2.9.5.0, {6B6B9FA8-37DE-4FA3-8C60-52BD6A2F9855} Plugins, 1, TreeStats 2, 0.1.6.4, {9847B2B7-C7C7-42BA-9361-021D01715E8F} Plugins, 0, Mule Trade It!, 0.0.0.363, {9D762D6E-6444-485A-B242-C50386013763} Plugins, 1, ELTank v2.6.0.20-Beta-7, 2.6.0.20, {39E9E0F5-85D7-4C38-87D6-3BBCB853357E} Plugins, 1, Hush!, 1.0.0.7, {37DEF914-A323-49FA-B948-3D0EF05E737F} Network Filters, 1, ACDC Core Filter, 7.2.2.0, {2DB1B641-4039-4D69-831A-79915EC266CE} Network Filters, 1, Echo Filter 2, 2.9.5.0, {34239EAD-6317-4C40-A405-193BA5232DD8} Network Filters, 1, Character Stats Filter, 2.9.5.0, {4540C969-08D1-46BF-97AD-6B19D3C10BEE} Network Filters, 1, World Object Filter, 2.9.5.0, {53092D1B-F0B0-46FF-BF11-8F031EC9B137} Network Filters, 1, Decal FileService, 2.9.5.0, {5E9B2FC3-C251-4589-8CE3-2BCA542B98B6} Network Filters, 1, Identify Queue Filter, 2.9.5.0, {B0C05A9A-273D-4BC4-B7BA-E27CF94C8EF4} Network Filters, 1, SpellFilter, 2.9.5.0, {C2D43735-BE7E-4829-AF73-F2E7E820EB16} Services, 1, Decal .NET Lifetime Service, 2.9.5.0, {71A69713-6593-47EC-0001-0000000DECA1} Services, 1, Decal Dat Service, 2.9.5.0, {37B083F0-276E-43AD-8D26-3F7449B519DC} Services, 1, Decal Render Service, 2.9.5.0, {FB3C8286-88ED-4B4D-B413-94B40F346239} Services, 1, Decal Inject Gateway Service, 2.9.5.0, {FEFE5CAB-10E4-404F-AD4D-184BCB506099} Services, 1, Decal Input Service, 2.9.5.0, {B33307BA-706D-474A-80B9-70BB8D13EF3E} Services, 1, Decal Networking Service, 2.9.5.0, {C8C406F8-BA2E-4964-8B04-FF38394A8E0E} Services, 1, Decal D3DService, 2.9.5.0, {F0CC07A0-2C89-4FA4-9356-714665BC2F8B} Surrogates, 1, Decal.Adapter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {71A69713-6593-47EC-0002-0000000DECA1} Surrogates, 1, Prefilter Network Filter Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {443D4A68-5422-4E0C-9460-973F8FBDB190} Surrogates, 1, ActiveX Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {7559F22F-C56F-4621-AE08-9C354D799D4B} Surrogates, -1, Version 1 Plugin Surrogate, 2.9.5.0, {3D837F6E-B5CA-4604-885F-7AB45FCFA62A} Input Actions, 1, Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {324D76B8-D8C7-4A81-B867-E4E1F874E488} Input Actions, 1, Mouse Move Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {57D18578-0BF0-4DE5-A0A9-E7CB531C0429} Input Actions, 1, Restore Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {6EE2F682-7129-44BE-84B9-787BAE35EC1C} Input Actions, 1, Polled Delay Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {762335B2-2274-4BB4-8B1F-F7286C949FF7} Input Actions, 1, Typing Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {9CDCEEDC-F8AC-42D5-9A05-52B9346D00A4} Input Actions, 1, Event Input Action, 2.9.5.0, {D6E4BD19-4900-4515-BCE2-A9EA4AAE2699} Operating System: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600) [Protected Storage Service] : Automatic Decal Settings : Timer (Default) [Portal Path] : C:\Programme\Turbine\Asheron's Call - Throne of Destiny\ [Launcher App] : ACDCClient.exe : http://update.decaldev.com [memlocs.xml] : 24464 bytes, Version 0.0.11.2741 [messages.xml] : 52677 bytes, Version 2006.05.18.3 [Video Memory] : 128745472 D3DX Libraries (Only d3dx9_30 is required) [d3dx9_24.dll] : Installed (9.5.132.0) [d3dx9_25.dll] : Installed (9.6.168.0) [d3dx9_26.dll] : Installed (9.7.239.0) [d3dx9_27.dll] : Installed (9.8.299.0) [d3dx9_28.dll] : Installed (9.10.455.0) [d3dx9_29.dll] : Installed (9.11.519.0) [d3dx9_30.dll] : Installed (9.12.589.0) ---Support Libraries --- Note: The following libraries are not necessary for Decal to function and are only provided to be of use to plugin developers. .NET Frameworks [v1.0.3705] (1.0 Final) : Not Installed [v1.1.4322] (1.1 Final) : Installed (Service Pack 1) [v2.0.50215] (2.0 Beta 2) : Not Installed [v2.0.50727] (2.0 Final) : Installed C++ Libraries [msvbvm60.dll] : Installed (6.0.97.85) [atl70.dll] : Not Installed [mfc70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0) [msvcr70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0) [msvcp70.dll] : Installed (7.0.9466.0) [atl71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0) [mfc71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0) [msvcr71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3052.4) [msvcp71.dll] : Installed (7.10.3077.0) Microsoft XML Libraries [msxml3.dll] : Installed (8.50.2162.0) [msxml4.dll] : Installed (4.20.9818.0) ---Video Device Information--- [Device] : NVIDIA GeForce FX 5900XT [Device Name] : \\.\DISPLAY1 [KeyDeviceID] : Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0332&SUBSYS_11631554&REV_A1 [KeyDeviceKey] : \Registry\Machine\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Video\{E4E64FA8-B2B1-469C-81C9-2D4BB5713869}\0000 [Manufacturer] : NVIDIA [ChipType] : GeForce FX 5900XT [DACType] : Integrated RAMDAC [Revision] : [MemoryLocalised] : 128.0 MB [MemoryEnglish] : 128.0 MB [DisplayLocalised] : 1152 x 864 (32 bit) (85Hz) [DisplayEnglish] : 1152 x 864 (32 bit) (85Hz) [DisplayWidth] : 1152 [DisplayHeight] : 864 [DisplayBpp] : 32 [RefreshRate] : 85 [MonitorName] : IBM 6556 P72 [MonitorMaxRes] : 1280,1024 [DriverName] : nv4_disp.dll [DriverVersion] : 6.14.0010.8198 [DriverAttributes] : Endgültig Verkauf [DriverLangEnglish] : English [DriverLangLocal] : Englisch [DriverDateEng] : 12/10/2005 04:06:00 [DriverDateLocal] : 10.12.2005 04:06:00 [DriverSize] : 3955456 [MiniVdd] : nv4_mini.sys [MiniVddDateEng] : 12/10/2005 04:06:00 [MiniVddDateLocal] : 10.12.2005 04:06:00 [MiniVddSize] : 3536768 [Vdd] : Nicht zutreffend [RenderWindow] : Yes : No [Debug] : No [Signed] : No [SignValid] : No : {D7B71E3E-4072-11CF-E256-693100C2CB35} [DDIVer] : 9 [DDIVerEng] : 9 (or higher) [DDIVerLocal] : 9 (oder höher) : 0 [VendorID] : 0x10DE [DeviceID] : 0x0332 [SubSystemID] : 0x11631554 [RevisionID] : 0x00A1 [WHQL Level] : 0 [NoHardware] : 0 [DDAccelEnabled] : Yes [3DAccelExists] : Yes [3DAccelEnabled] : Yes [AGP Enabled] : Yes [AGPExists] : Yes [AGPExistsValid] : Yes -----signature----- Naia Ra-Sal lvl 262 Warlord of Dereth Vainda Ra-Sal lvl 275 Shellfish Hater Xavia Ra-Sal lvl 250 Vaindas Oil Slave Max Speced Armor Tink , Max speced Weapon Tink makingothershappy.blogspot.com
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Chazcon Title: FOR THE VITAE! Posts: 5,298 Registered: Dec 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,149 User ID: 541,776	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	yep -----signature----- Chazcon - Aluvian swordsman You say, "FOR THE VITAE!" Ru tells you, "CHAZ!" Simply Red tells you, "I am SO not recovering your body!" -- Good times.
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Yula_the_Mighty Title: Lore Master Posts: 6,054 Registered: Jan 25, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,866 User ID: 887,035	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Yes well. You are asking a lot of your PC. The ACclient itself is a memory and CPU hog. Decal is a memory and CPU hog. Now you want to run two clients, Decal and some plugins. Small wonder it takes a long to load. AC isn't very fast to launch in full-screen mode with only one client. -----signature----- (none)
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agnari Posts: 7,595 Registered: Oct 10, '00 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,440 User ID: 48,760	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	ARE you sure it's decal that's taking forever and NOT the 200,000K chat files of Eltank? slow load times have historically been traced back to huge eltank chat files. check yours and if big see about erasing them. that should speed up load time. -----signature----- Ag Nar Portal Mule Master of the Loresraat Mastering the pixels of gamedom, 1 MMORPG at a time..
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Jothony Posts: 1,111 Registered: Sep 2, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 1,102 User ID: 835,114	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	I've been having the same problem. I use Drakier's dual log. I also have 2GB of RAM, a 128MB video card and an Athlon 3200 processor. It's not some uber gaming system, but it's far from a slow system. For several days I struggled to figure out why Decal was not showing up ingame when I logged in. I finally noticed how long it was taking decal to start up when I would start it seperately. After rebooting my system, if i click the decal icon on my desktop, it takes a good 15 seconds for the Decal icon to show up in the system tray. For a computer that's an eternity. The previous version took somthing like 3-5 seconds IIRC. So I began to start Decal manually, before I started the dual login application. That gets Decal back in the game for me. Hopefully the next version of Decal will be a bit faster to load. -----signature----- AC - Jothony of Eastham, Chen Jo, Jothany Vanguard - Jikar All Retired
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Tekblade_BM Posts: ???? Registered: ???? Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 0 User ID: 0	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Takes 4 seconds for me to load... dual logging is not slow, never has been... the message about memory hogs seems a bit exagerated or just not specific... Your system is more powerful than mine except the video card, BUT the video card has to do most of the work for decal and AC. (so I guess a video memory hog and GPU hog is appropriate... ) I don't think decal loading should be an excessive drain on the video because it doesn't draw any overlays or do anything video intensive till you log in. I have looked at your export and compared it to mine and the only differences are: You run el tank, hush and treestats when I don't. (disable these 1 at a time, exit decal and restart in case one of those is taking a long time to load) You have a newer vesion of msvbvm60.dll than I do, I got .82, u got .85... probably no issue here. I have atl70.dll version 7.0.9466.0, you dont' have it at all... don't think this is an issue either, but google it to get it. Last but not lease, I have a 256 ati card, u got a 128 nvidia card... again, don't know how much this effects loading of decal when no graphics are involved... but more video memory would not hurt... Hope this helps. -----signature-----
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Naia-Ra-Sal Posts: 7,724 Registered: Sep 28, '00 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,244 User ID: 46,420	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	El tank doesnt log any tells for me , i turned that off a while back. When i only start decal it takes just as long to load. Before the latst version of decal i didnt have that problem. As soon as i get to my pc i will stop the time it takes. -----signature----- Naia Ra-Sal lvl 262 Warlord of Dereth Vainda Ra-Sal lvl 275 Shellfish Hater Xavia Ra-Sal lvl 250 Vaindas Oil Slave Max Speced Armor Tink , Max speced Weapon Tink makingothershappy.blogspot.com
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Chazcon Title: FOR THE VITAE! Posts: 5,298 Registered: Dec 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,149 User ID: 541,776	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	You know what's funny - when I started using Alpha 7 on patch day I thought it was wonderful - very zippy and crash free - now I am seeing the long load times issue - what could have changed? I installed Decal and my plugin set on patch day, no changes there. Interesting. -----signature----- Chazcon - Aluvian swordsman You say, "FOR THE VITAE!" Ru tells you, "CHAZ!" Simply Red tells you, "I am SO not recovering your body!" -- Good times.
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Naia-Ra-Sal Posts: 7,724 Registered: Sep 28, '00 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,244 User ID: 46,420	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Thank you for you suggestioons tekblade. Even with now plug ins loaded it takes 16 seconds to load for me. Now my Harddisk is sure not the fastes but i would notice other stuff beeing superslow too and i don't see that. Guess i just have to live with it. btw , while decal is loading , cpu never gets over 12 % used. -----signature----- Naia Ra-Sal lvl 262 Warlord of Dereth Vainda Ra-Sal lvl 275 Shellfish Hater Xavia Ra-Sal lvl 250 Vaindas Oil Slave Max Speced Armor Tink , Max speced Weapon Tink makingothershappy.blogspot.com
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Soul_Crusher_LC Posts: 6,822 Registered: May 13, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 6,652 User ID: 801,676	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	my AC freezes up...unless it just is gunna take like 5 minutes to get in...when im coming out of portal space to log in with decal -----signature----- My Brute \/ http://south-side.mybrute.com South Side AC - Darktide/Leafcull Kthanks.
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Hazridi Posts: 8,386 Registered: Mar 15, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,277 User ID: 74,558	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Yeah, happens. Dengent is a managed program now, so teh framework must load for DenAgent to load -- the garbage collector, all the .net internal stuff has to start up, etc -- then DenAgent has to be JIT compiled, and finally it and load and run. We can reduce the JIT time with ngen (and expect that in the next release) but we can't do anything about the .NET loading times. -----signature----- Hazridi of WE, VT, HG, SC Decal Core Dev - http://www.decaldev.com - Beta at http://www.decaldev.com/beta
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Naia-Ra-Sal Posts: 7,724 Registered: Sep 28, '00 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,244 User ID: 46,420	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Thanks , now i understand the why , at least somewhat . -----signature----- Naia Ra-Sal lvl 262 Warlord of Dereth Vainda Ra-Sal lvl 275 Shellfish Hater Xavia Ra-Sal lvl 250 Vaindas Oil Slave Max Speced Armor Tink , Max speced Weapon Tink makingothershappy.blogspot.com
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agnari Posts: 7,595 Registered: Oct 10, '00 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,440 User ID: 48,760	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	OH he meant that load, not the load of Decal once AC starts. as if i ever see this problem, reboot hit the decal3 icon in the folder tray and it starts up during the load after reboot. i never close it down until i stop decal and de-install a plugin right before installing an upgrade. THat way i load Decal maybe 1 or 2 a month just turning the monitor off when i wander away. -----signature----- Ag Nar Portal Mule Master of the Loresraat Mastering the pixels of gamedom, 1 MMORPG at a time..
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Chazcon Title: FOR THE VITAE! Posts: 5,298 Registered: Dec 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,149 User ID: 541,776	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Hazridi posted: Yeah, happens. Dengent is a managed program now, so teh framework must load for DenAgent to load -- the garbage collector, all the .net internal stuff has to start up, etc -- then DenAgent has to be JIT compiled, and finally it and load and run. We can reduce the JIT time with ngen (and expect that in the next release) but we can't do anything about the .NET loading times. Please excuse my silly layman's question, but can we load the .NET stuff at Windows startup, or does it need to load at the time Decal is launched? -----signature----- Chazcon - Aluvian swordsman You say, "FOR THE VITAE!" Ru tells you, "CHAZ!" Simply Red tells you, "I am SO not recovering your body!" -- Good times.
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Yula_the_Mighty Title: Lore Master Posts: 6,054 Registered: Jan 25, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,866 User ID: 887,035	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Chazcon posted: Please excuse my silly layman's question, but can we load the .NET stuff at Windows startup, or does it need to load at the time Decal is launched? The Common Language Runtime (CLR) is the .NET virtual machine similar to a Java engine. You can configure a PC to load your Java engine during startup. You should be able to do the same thing with CLR. Of course, we are talking Microsoft here so there is no guarantees. Just because Sun designed Java to be launched at system startup does not mean Microsoft has to provide the same functionality. One thing to note though, like all virtual machines CLR puts an additional load on your PC by consuming memory and CPU cycles even when there are no .NET applications active. You would have to decide if you really want the performance penalty caused by having CLR load at startup. I never allow things like Acroreader, Java, and so on to load during startup. Instead, I take the hit when I launch the first applcation. For Java, I normally kill the Java vitual machine via the task manager when I am done. -----signature----- (none)
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Chazcon Title: FOR THE VITAE! Posts: 5,298 Registered: Dec 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,149 User ID: 541,776	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	With a modern computer, those kinds of performance hits are negligible. What IS noticeable is tapping your fingers while Decal loads, when you are anxious to get in the game. -----signature----- Chazcon - Aluvian swordsman You say, "FOR THE VITAE!" Ru tells you, "CHAZ!" Simply Red tells you, "I am SO not recovering your body!" -- Good times.
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Hazridi Posts: 8,386 Registered: Mar 15, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 8,277 User ID: 74,558	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	If you have another .NET application and you start it, it should accomplish the task. If you really want .NET loaded at startup, find a .NET system service and install it. -----signature----- Hazridi of WE, VT, HG, SC Decal Core Dev - http://www.decaldev.com - Beta at http://www.decaldev.com/beta
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Drakier Posts: ???? Registered: ???? Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 0 User ID: 0	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	doesn't the .NET Framework eventually unload itself after a while if no .NET resources are utilizing it? -----signature-----
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Yula_the_Mighty Title: Lore Master Posts: 6,054 Registered: Jan 25, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,866 User ID: 887,035	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Finding the correct .NET system service and installing is no simple task. I certainly not going over the MSDN and rooting around looking for the correct download, instructions, etc. But then again, I do not want tha dratted thing running unless I need it. -----signature----- (none)
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Drakier Posts: ???? Registered: ???? Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 0 User ID: 0	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Yula: I think Haz meant a System Service which utilizes .NET... (as dangerous as that sounds) -----signature-----
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Yula_the_Mighty Title: Lore Master Posts: 6,054 Registered: Jan 25, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,866 User ID: 887,035	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Drakier posted: doesn't the .NET Framework eventually unload itself after a while if no .NET resources are utilizing it? I believe so. I think this is why you have to get a different piece of code to fire off during system startup. -----signature----- (none)
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Yula_the_Mighty Title: Lore Master Posts: 6,054 Registered: Jan 25, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,866 User ID: 887,035	Subject: Decal takes forever to load
	Drakier posted: Yula: I think Haz meant a System Service which utilizes .NET... (as dangerous as that sounds) /e peers at the articles again. You are right. .NET only loads when an application is started that needs the framework. .NET will unload soon after the last .NET application terminates. So if you want to get .NET running during system startup and stay running, you have to create a .NET service. The references point to developer information on how to create, install, setup such a service so that will being running during system startup. Double Ugh! -----signature----- (none)
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