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Get full details HERE
Please read the notice before installing there have been important changes.
The old Mule Trader install will remain available until we are sure this release is stable.
One last note....
There has been an important change in the EULA. You may now only use Mule Trade It! if you have either El Tank or LifeTank loaded simultaneously.
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Works for me, can you give me more details?
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I noticed when someone buys something in the reports it shows the points as 0. Other than that it working good so far. I added a greeting to explain to people they need to use a colon now, as people seem to be confused by that. Search is working great now.
Thanks for the update
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Did it show points in the reports in the past? AFAIK, I was nowhere near that code.
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MT_Gouru posted:
You may now only use Mule Trade It! if you have either El Tank or LifeTank loaded simultaneously.
  
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Great program, thanks!
I only have one problem, it didnt transfer all the info I had on the old version, no biggie, but now no one has the credit they had on my bot. I tried to enter it manually, but it wont let me, I can add discounts and bans, but cant add the credit back to the ppl that had it *shrug*
any help with that would be much appreciated.
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Anyone get the Syntax for MMDs correct yet?
The help still says to use ,
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check tradenote: 12,000,000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note: 12,500,000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note: 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note : 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "help"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "To check the price of an item, /tell me "check <item name>, <item value>""
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "To have me add an item to the window, /tell me "add <item name>, <item value>""
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "To see a list of what items I accept in payment, /tell me "points""
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "Once you've added all the items and your payments, click the trade button and /tell me "buy""
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "If you need me to reshow the items, /tell me "show""
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "To check your account balance, /tell me "balance""
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "To leave me a message, /tell me "message <insert your message here>" and I'll record it."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note , 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "Unable to parse your request."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note, 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note, 125000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
[Trade] Xp Pusher says, "paying well for ring spells"
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note, 250000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note: 250000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note: 250,000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check 50 trade notes: 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade notes: 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "You've been here 4 minutes and haven't bought anything. You have 1 more minute till I close the trade window."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note: 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note : 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note: 12,500,000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "check trade note : 12,500,000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
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On a side note, the : part seems to work great
Mage of Chaos tells you, "add salvaged sunstone (100): 38316"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Your total is now 36 points."
Mage of Chaos tells you, "add salvaged sunstone (100): 32797"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Your total is now 48 points."
[Trade] Pure Godly says, "ISo majors on white vein celdon girth/bp.. also iso al 400+ major slash ward shoes/bp /tell me paying very well"
Mage of Chaos tells you, "add salvaged white saphire (100): 39748"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "I was unable to find any items by that name and/or value."
Mage of Chaos tells you, "add salvaged white sapphire (100): 39748"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Your total is now 60 points."
Mage of Chaos tells you, "add salvaged white sapphire (100): 27347"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Your total is now 72 points."
Mage of Chaos tells you, "points"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Here are my point items. The format is "<item> [(MinWork-[MaxWork])]=<point value>""
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Gold Shallows Shredder Fin=30 : Gold Moarsman Tooth=30 : Gold Niffis Tentacle=42"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Gold Remoran Eggs=54 : Trade Note (250,000)=6 : Writ of Refuge=30"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Snow Lilly=18 : Platinum Scarab=1 : Black Marrow Key=18 : Diamond Scarab=6"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Diamond Heart=18"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "You have 66 points applied to your purchase that has a price of 72."
You tell Mage of Chaos, "You have 72 points applied to your purchase that has a price of 72."
Mage of Chaos tells you, "buy"
You tell Mage of Chaos, "You have accepted the trade. Tell me "buy" to complete the trade."
You tell Mage of Chaos, "Thank you for your business! This trade has been completed and will be recorded."
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Kahlaan posted:
Great program, thanks!
I only have one problem, it didnt transfer all the info I had on the old version, no biggie, but now no one has the credit they had on my bot. I tried to enter it manually, but it wont let me, I can add discounts and bans, but cant add the credit back to the ppl that had it *shrug*
any help with that would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
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Read the release notes, it covered this problem
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I noticed when someone buys something in the reports it shows the points as 0. Other than that it working good so far. I added a greeting to explain to people they need to use a colon now, as people seem to be confused by that. Search is working great now.
Thanks for the update
Same here
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Got it duh
Ftuoil Jed tells you, "add Trade Note (250,000): 12500000"
You tell Ftuoil Jed, "Your total is now 300 points."
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Kahlaan posted:
Great program, thanks!
I only have one problem, it didnt transfer all the info I had on the old version, no biggie, but now no one has the credit they had on my bot. I tried to enter it manually, but it wont let me, I can add discounts and bans, but cant add the credit back to the ppl that had it *shrug*
any help with that would be much appreciated.
Thanks,
~Kahlaan
There was a fairly long, complete message on transferring old information in the release notes. Did you bother to read it? It's the reason I bothered to write it.
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Why change the syntax now, the plug in has been going for mths on muletrader now, years for ACtrade?? We finally teach the less computer savvy people the correct syntax, after mths and mths of fustrating step by step instructions in tells,general, and alliance chat.. NOW we are going to have to do it again?
If its not broke dont fix it..
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Did it show points in the reports in the past? AFAIK, I was nowhere near that code.
Ya, it used to be shown. Total points paid in the upper window.
And ya, I do agree that the colon thing is a bit eek...I like being able to sell MMDs and all, but the comma was so much easier and people actually knew that one.
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It's not that bloody complex IMO... I may make a plugin that makes shopping easier.
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Did anyone take over MuleShopper so it can be fixed?
It think it wa Gol's as well.
I would be happy to make the change and re-release it.
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Why change the syntax now, the plug in has been going for mths on muletrader now, years for ACtrade?? We finally teach the less computer savvy people the correct syntax, after mths and mths of fustrating step by step instructions in tells,general, and alliance chat.. NOW we are going to have to do it again?
If its not broke dont fix it..
Actually it was broke. Since comma was being used as the delimiter, the parser would get confused when the item name (such as an MMD note) had a comma in the name. My choices were to create 'special cases' for specific problem items that had commas, which would break the first time a new item with a comma was introduced, or change the syntax to include a character less likely to be used in an item name. I chose to go the more robust route.
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Ftuoil_XelRasH posted:
Did anyone take over MuleShopper so it can be fixed?
It think it wa Gol's as well.
I would be happy to make the change and re-release it.
I have MuleShopper as well, and will release a fix. I'll try to look at it during the week, if not, it will be next weekend.
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Maybe is just me.. but how many items ( besides notes) had a comma in them..
change years of syntax to fix an error that might occur in a hand full of items, id personally keep the status quo.. If I understand the bug correctly, I personally cant think of anything but trade notes that fall into the catagory..
BUT im not the dev do what you want, I think your just gunna confuse alot of the older crowd with the change..
the only thing I would ask be done is increase the timer of the auto shut down, or give an option to set our own. 5 mins is alittle too short imho when you have 100s of items.
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I have a comment about the comma/colon thing. Once everyone upgrades to the new version, I don't think colon's vs commas is that big a deal and will work itself out.
Maybe you just missed it, but you can't use colons to 'check' prices, you still must use a comma. Can we get it consistent throughout?
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It doesn't not work. I changed to it and every time someone did a price check, it gave the price, but when they tried to add the item it claimed it to not have it. I will be broadcasting not to use this version. It is Broke Till you fix it.
It was not just me i also ran in to the problem with others bots.
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It doesn't not work. I changed to it and every time someone did a price check, it gave the price, but when they tried to add the item it claimed it to not have it. I will be broadcasting not to use this version. It is Broke Till you fix it.
It was not just me i also ran in to the problem with others bots.
What are you talking about?
I have 3 bots running 24/7 and they are ALL working fine without a problem using the :
I have sold over 300 items in the last 24 hours on the new version. 
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Hazridi: "It's not that bloody complex IMO... I may make a plugin that makes shopping easier."
please do it would be nice, i cant stand trying to buy anything in bulk at a bot and haveing to sit there and go though every value of a bag of steel in tells so i can add them to the buy list alittle easyer..
didnt there used to be a proggie out like this that made bot shopping faster? think so but cant remember.
anyway i would love to see a tradebot shopper helper plugin, and im sure alot of other would too
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If I have 200 MMDs in stock and shopper wants to buy 123 of it, what is the command to do so? Or it cannot split items from a stack yet?
There are bot operators who want to sell MMDs/Plats too.It would be nice if Mule Trade It! can sell MMDs/Plats by spliting exact amount from stacks like the old Tradebot used to do.
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Splitting stacks is not yet implemented. I will be releasing soon a version that is consistent with colon usage (work in the Check command as well), and MuleShopper that works with the new syntax.
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Get full details HERE
Please read the notice before installing there have been important changes.
The old Mule Trader install will remain available until we are sure this release is stable.
One last note....
There has been an important change in the EULA. You may now only use Mule Trade It! if you have either El Tank or LifeTank loaded simultaneously.
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can't argue with the change to a ':' in the add command
HOWEVER, it sure as &&&&&&&&&&&&several pages of masked profanity&&&&&&&&& would have been nice if you'd bothered to change the HELP lines to reflect that change!
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It has taken folks years to learn to use the comma. And many still have problems with it and the do not pluralize problem. I hate to see the comma replaced with a colon...
Many bot owners will not upgrade until stack splitting is implemented. And many will never upgrade (ie: remember lots of folks used TradeBot when ACTrade was much superior), so we will have 2 varieties of bots out there for quite a while. Some will use the colon, while others continue using the comma.
I would prefer you handle the ",000" as an exception and continue using the comma separator. Turbine is just as likely to have a new item containing a colon as one containing a comma. ie: not likely.
My two pyreals...
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It's been changed. Deal with it. Seriously.
The only person on this board more stubborn than I am is Gouru.
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can't argue with the change to a ':' in the add command
HOWEVER, it sure as &&&&&&&&&&&&several pages of masked profanity&&&&&&&&& would have been nice if you'd bothered to change the HELP lines to reflect that change!
One of the issues of taking over other peoples code is discovering the design gotchas. It turns out that the value parsing is not done in just one place in the program, and yes, I missed the other. Search on ',' to find all instances where a comma is used in source code returns a HUGE list. So I searched on the code that added items to the tradebar, found it, and fixed it.
I did try to mitigate the change by adding text to the 'failed' message that occurs when you find an item to tell people of the new syntax. I also added text in another area to notify shoppers of the change.
With the bug reports I now know that code must also exist in the 'check' command code area, and that the help lines make reference to it. Those will be fixed in the next release, real soon now.
That's one of the reasons why this code is still Beta. Expect bugs. Also expect me to fix them.
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the problem is the syntax of the HELP command returns :: it still SHOWS the use of the comma
so someone trys an add gets not found and so they then do
/rt help
and the help returns syntax example using a comma in the add command
additionally as some have upgreaded and some not it's a mess now i've got folks doing a check with a :
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imho, the whole comma value thing is a hack to begin with and there are MUCH better ways to handle this, which you will be seeing in a future release...
And as stated, the help will be fixed next release. As for people not upgrading and causing confusing....Yell at em.
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I upgraded and since then i have sold almost 0 things, compared to the 500/1k plats per night i used to make.
Anyhow i will stick with the upgrade: i added to my trade bot msgs the link to Asheronstoybox to start making some public advertisement.
I hope i won't get screwed: if you will change your mind and revert back to old comma system i will have lost business for nothing
Go for it Gouru, you have all my support! Useless for sure, but still you have it
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i think the help change is TOO big to wait for another release.
it is only a text change with a recompile not a code change.
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Um...and how is that text change supposed to get to you without another release?
I guess I don't understand what you're saying.
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I think hes saying..
release an update now, instead of waiting for however long its going to take you to release the next version
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Most of the bots on WE that updated also added a message telling people to use a colon.
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I think hes saying..
release an update now, instead of waiting for however long its going to take you to release the next version
Can you explain how I can release an update with changing the version? I suppose I could hack around the version numbers so the numbers don't change, but it would STILL be a new version of the software.
The current version of the software has this bugged, the next version will have it fixed, the next version probly won't contain anything BUT the bug fix.
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OK Gorou you got me
OF COURSE, making a change to the help text line would be/create a NEW release.
WHAT I was actually Attempting to say was LETs not wait 2 months to get the HELP line changed along with anything else changed/updated.
HOW about getting an update out tonight, or tommorrow, that only has the help line /tell modified so it doesn't drive the bozo's batty when they type in the line exactly as described in the help and get a NOT found.
there are some real idiots out there that even when doing /tells with them and saying enter /rt xxxxxxxxxx <carriage return> still can't seem to operate the bots
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And as I've said before, that is planned to happen this weekend. I apologize for having a real life and a real job. Plugins are like number 5 on my list of priorities.
1) Family
2) Work
3) AC
4) Plugins
5) Decal
I'm sure I'm missing something. Ask the Decal devs how much they've seen me in Decal.
As the Vista devs how much they've seen me there.
Plugins fall somewhere in between.
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Sorry G I missed the "Planned for this weekend"
my mistake. Sure have a life, but monday back to work on FindIt and TradeIt
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Ya, that colon change really messed up my customers. Even with messages telling them about the change.
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yeah the users are even more idiotic then we are G
i spam the add change, have the info in the hello greeting
and I still get folks leaving messages about the add not working.
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Publically mocking them on the General channel has done at least a minute amount of good for my clientelle.
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Looks like the release will be later today than I planned. Was looking into the 'points not displaying' issue and found a little funkiness. As soon as I get it resolved I will build and release.
Had a brainstorm while looking at the code, and here's a little teaser...
You tell MuleTrader, "Check Ruby Poinard"
MuleTrader tells you, "The price of the Ruby Poinard is 20 points"
You tell MuleTrader, "Bag Ruby Poinard"
MuleTrader tells you, "The Ruby Poinard has been added to your shopping bag, your total purchase is 20 points"
You tell MuleTrader, "Check Diamond Heart"
MuleTrader tells you, "The price of the Diamond Heart is 2 points"
You tell MuleTrader, "Bag It"
MuleTrader tells you, "The Diamond Heart has been added to your shopping bag, your total purchase is 22 points"
You tell MuleTrader, "Show Bag"
MuleTrader tells you, "Your bag contains: "
MuleTrader tells you, "Ruby Poinard (20 points), Diamond Heart (2 points)"
MuleTrader tells you, "Your total purchase is 22 points"
You tell MuleTrader, "Checkout"
MuleTrader tells you, "One second while I add the contents of your bag to the trade bar"
Sorry....not in this release however...
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so now you are changing all the commands? lol
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Um...those commands don't exist currently. Do you know the difference between adding and changing?
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Gouru, will the old commands still be available if you implement what you described above?
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Paraduck.. are you aware that your title throws off the flow of the whole page?
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Yes, this is meant to be in addition to the current commands. Basically a way to make shopping easier for those that don't use shopping plugins.
As it stands now, I have to manually keep a side list of the things I want to buy so that when it comes time to buy, I can clear the trade list and add the items. With the commands above I can make my buying selections while browsing, and when done, do a single command to get my selected items added to the window.
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Yes, this is meant to be in addition to the current commands. Basically a way to make shopping easier for those that don't use shopping plugins.
As it stands now, I have to manually keep a side list of the things I want to buy so that when it comes time to buy, I can clear the trade list and add the items. With the commands above I can make my buying selections while browsing, and when done, do a single command to get my selected items added to the window.
Cool, sounds good to me.
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couldn't you just change it to "e" and save everyone the trouble of breaking the flow?
It's not bad enough that a good portion of the screen is taken up by the banner ads on the sides, but adding to that the long title, and the post itself becomes very squished on lower resolutions.
*shrug*
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Awsome addition, thanks!
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" Um...those commands don't exist currently."
Duh?
"Do you know the difference between adding and changing?"
where did you say you were adding? I didnt see you say anything about adding or changing, so please dont try and make it seem like I am dumb
all I saw was this
" Had a brainstorm while looking at the code, and here's a little teaser...
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Sorry....not in this release however... "
GG?
btw, that is cool
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