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Well, I got the information changed, sw updated, e-mail's changed, and the characters completely restored.
But, here's the good part.
While grouping tonight, Victimizer hopped on Kadorak (Vermin's Healer...) to play with us. While sitting in Upplands buffing, he received a message from a CSR stating that there was a problem with a character created on the account.
The character name?
Yonek.
The only people with access to that account AND Kadorak's account, are Free Rps members. But the great thing is, Verminithalon doesn't have access to my Berserkers account.
So not only did they try and screw me over, good job, but they took advantage of Vermin's kindness by doing this also.
All to try and hide something, great job guys.
Edit: Change "have" to "had" in anything referring to account access. Duh. 
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Why would they do that tho? Tell us the good stuff.
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I wish you would have posted this earlier tonight !
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neeed moreee draaammmmaaa
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hummm thats bad
Acher give me access to something in mid I want to play ! 
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Roerie you can play my healer sometime, since you've let me play your druid~
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you can play my rm, im not gettin much use out of him at nights now anyways. 9:45-5:45 working hours 4tL!
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And the plot thickens...
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dun dun dun dun!
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This just in, nobody from Free Rps gives a sh!t about acher, or his accounts.
He keeps hinting that so-and-so in Free Rps did this, so-and-so in Free Rps did that, but he's not willing to provide any proof. He just "somehow knows" which isn't good enough.
In all honesty I think he's just pissed he got scammed (and I would be too, it's happened to me) and instead of actually trying to investigate the possibility of a keylogger or some other such reason, he's decided to point the finger at the guild who pretty much abandoned him after they first left Mordred.
You always criticisized me because you thought I was an attention whore, what exactly are YOU for making these topics, Hypocritite?
Give me proof or give me silence, you're acting like a bigger drama queen than ME.
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i dunno that was rather dramatic.
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hypocritite?
is that pronounced hypo-crit-tit-eh
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rofl
If I wanted to have brought anything out, I would have done it by now. There's actually some members of your supposed guild who aren't 100% worthless, and that I do still feel have no involvement in this.
The only reason I say Free Rps as a whole, and not name the person(s) who actually did it, will be for my own reasoning, and to be honest, really doesn't matter. People know what happened, and no-ones stepping forward, and that's all there is to it.
That's fine too, and I can assure you that it won't stop here, that's all I have to say.
Edit: And I agree, I did give my info to the wrong people, but for the simple fact that I've been so discrete on who I give my info to, it's easy to figure it out.
Don't even start with that keylogger crap, there's none of that shit on my computers, I'm not a moron. Even if I did, someone just magically hacked into Kadorak's computer too, and got his account information, and magically created a character on his accounts for fun?
Are you kidding me?
I'm not simply pointing a finger here for fun, I'm calling people out. If you want to call me an attention whore, fine, go ahead. If that's what I am, that's what I am. But, before you do that, Julyan, take a look at who you're surrounding yourself with, and who you're sticking up for.
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ouch i wonder why would people do that to somebody's account specially since you are friends grp / etc with tehm
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"I say Free Rps as a whole, and not name the person(s) who actually did it"
"There's actually some members of your supposed guild who aren't 100% worthless, and that I do still feel have no involvement in this."
Wow buddy, you got some awesome logic. Free Rps didn't do crap to your account, an individual did. I'm associated with that guild name, when you start saying PERSON(S) from the guild messed with your accounts, you're including me which I really don't appreciate.
So from now on if you'd like to make "ANOTHER UPDATE ON MY ACCOUNT" post, please be sure to note that I had nothing to do with the mutilation of your account, thanks.
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Then get the person in your guild who did it, AND LET IT BE KNOWN. Until then, I'm naming Free Rps, because association equals guilt.
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such h8
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dis hyah post is gonna beh gewd.
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you know what i think?
i think it was julyan's keylogger!!
yup yup w/0 a doubt.
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Okay ol 'tyte.
You got me.
Phel stripped your chars, deleted them, then logged on your Sorc and started spamming racial slurs to CSRs.
I bet him two dollars and a day-old Krispy Kreme donut he wouldn't do it.
Needless to say, he used the two dollars to buy a 20 oz Sprite to wash down the donut.
Are you happy now?
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This is gonna be some good drama imo.
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20oz sprites have really gone up in price, jfc.
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thats some 'trading places' stuff right there
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i think its 20oz soda's in general that have gone up isnt it ?
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Faedie vent ftw.
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Phel stripped your chars,
Ah yes...
#1: I don't think Phel could do this, but I could be wrong.
#2: I didn't tell anyone my characters were stripped, before or after restoration, how could you have known that?
Good job, Julyan.
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I'm suddenly thirsty.
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$1.24 inc taxes here
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You're just the dumbest Chris, honestly.
I'm pretty sure I know who it was, but since -you- already know who it was, and you're so determined on that, I guess I don't need to tell you.
Have fun with your little witch hunt!
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That was my exact reason for this post.
To expose that person, involvement, or at least knowledge of the fact that it happened, and you showed perfect poise for doing just that.
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alex tried to get me to, but i hate donuts.
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Bad attempt at drama
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Chris, I don't think you understand. Saying "if you don't tell me who you think f'ed with my account, I'm going to point the finger at you!" is not the proper way to get assistance in a situation like this.
Why would I help someone who's accused me of said crime and insulted me? I know I'm not guilty, my friends know I'm not guilty, point all the fingers you want.
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well i dont have any popcorn but i managed to make french fries in the oven and only burnt one finger..
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alex hasnt logged on mordred in several days. he's also claimed to have been playing with suzerain.
he also bragged about inheriting 47 plat on mid/lance.
take that for what it's worth.
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I think it's fairly clear from the attempted frame on the Kadorak account, which was being used by FRPs for a while when they were considering coming back to Lance, that it's one of their members. That account has been whored out to half of Midgard, but Acher's hasn't, so that's the only overlap.
Honestly, I'm pretty pissed that you (whoever "you" is) would decide to delete Acher's characters out of spite. But, perhaps selfishly, I'm even more pissed that you try to abuse *MY* account to do it, and possibly to frame me. I've known and liked a number of past and present FRPs members, and I don't know which, if any, of them did this, but I have to say this pretty much shatters my respect for the guild as a whole if you tolerate this sort of crap. I did you all a favor by giving you my account to use and trusted it wouldn't be misused. I was willing to risk my old healer being deleted if someone really cared that much to do it, but I never imagined you would be so petty as to use my account to try and carry out some sort of revenge.
While I can sortof understand your complaint that Acher is tarring your entire guild with the same brush July, if you don't mind your friends deleting other people's stuff and trying to frame a third party for it, it sounds like you deserve it. For lack of a less extreme comparison, it reminds me of states harboring terrorists. Just because they weren't directly involved in the acts doesn't spare them from guilt by association from knowing about, tolerating, and allowing such actions.
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seriously don't trust julae.
wonder why he isn't in evangelist anymore?
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just for drama's sake im going to point out how defensive alex is even tho he was never directly accused of anything, and ask him how he knew the chars were stripped if acher didnt tell anyone?
omg joose i think were onto something !~!!!~!!11111~!~!~~
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hahaha just kidding, we kicked him because hes black
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So dumb.
That's like saying you're (Verm) a psycho larynx crusher because you were guilded with Maluv. And acher still has no proof besides the character overlap.
Basically I'm looking for a motive.
Everyone in Free Rps on Mord was geared out. Had plat and/or the means to easily make more. Nobody really disliked Acher (that I know of) to the point that they'd do something as extreme as what he says happened.
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Chris, I don't think you understand. Saying "if you don't tell me who you think f'ed with my account, I'm going to point the finger at you!" is not the proper way to get assistance in a situation like this.
You say that like this was my last attempt. I've spoken with a few members already, and I reached a brick wall with all of them.
Amazing how much they don't care, isn't it? They don't have to with a lap dog like you defending them, and also making a fool of yourself at the same time.
I know I'm not guilty, my friends know I'm not guilty, point all the fingers you want.
You're guilty by association, simple as that. You couldn't do anything to show me that you're not involved, and your post/replies here do nothing but prove it.
90% of legal cases are proved based on cicumstantial evidence.
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well if it is indeed apparent that an individual in your guild did such a dirty deed then your attitude atm seems to condone such actions !
and omfg what is up witht hese oven bake french fries, when they come out of the oven they r hot enough to burn my tongue but 5 minutes later they are all cold and soggy. BAH B AH BAH
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How? One is a personality trait, one is an action you passively tolerate and allow to happen.
You don't inherit your friends' personalities, but you do inherit the consequences of their actions if you support them.
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and 83.2% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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And acher still has no proof besides the character overlap.
You yourself said you know who did it, and didn't disagree it was a Free Rps member, you have zero ground here Julyan. Tuck tail and run, that's all you can do.
Maybe they'll award you with a table scrap later, if you ask nicely enough.
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You can't prove something that's not true.
Have you ever heard of something called "evidence"? What about a "motive"?
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cook them on bake not broil aneb
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julae *IS* freerps.
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i did bake not broil
on a cookie sheet even... and then again they arent really soggy they just went from molten hot to cold very very quickly/
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JUST LIKE ACHER, TO ACCUSE THE DARK PIGMENTED DAOC PLAYER BEFORE ANYONE ELSE . . .
WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOUR CHARACTER, CHRIS? HJMMMMMM?
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Or maybe a spot in Free Rps v4 !
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I'm not defending anyone except the innocent people included with acher's accusations.
Pretty sure he told me himself he knew who it was, so then why even make this topic?
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with the amount of "talent" left in daoc, i dont think he'd have a problem, regardless.
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I JUST WANT TO SAY IT COULDNT HAVE BEEN JUEAK, JUEAK IS JUST TOO CUTE TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS!
Now Hola on the other hand ~
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hola looks like a ferret
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Why drag a retired guild's name thru the mud because of something you THINK one of its members did AFTER they retired?
You have some nerve ;D
Guess that's why nobody wanted to play w/ya.
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no that's because sorcs dont get 6 instas!!!
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"with the amount of "talent" left in daoc, i dont think he'd have a problem, regardless. "
your right joose there is No Talent left.. and the way things are going there will be still no talent in the days to come.
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Why drag a retired guild's name thru the mud because of something you THINK one of its members did AFTER they retired?
You have some nerve ;D
Guess that's why nobody wanted to play w/ya.
No, but I guess after carrying them through ToA for 3 weeks, it gives them the right to delete my characters.
My mistake.
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Doesn't matter if they're retired from DAOC. Are you telling me that a group of people who played together across multiple realms and servers for years don't talk to eachother anymore and aren't friends? Somehow, I strongly doubt that. Seems if they (you?) are willing to shelter friends' criminal actions, they (you?) are at least partially responsible.
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did you know my names chris too
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"it gives them the right to delete my characters."
That's the thing, there was no "them" deleting your characters, so stop acting like it was a guild decision to rape your account and then not talk about it, because it wasn't.
Like I said, I feel bad you got betrayed by someone you trusted, it's happened to me, but it's still your fault-- your responsibility, not Free Rps'.
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So would some1 like to come out and say who did it?
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god darrgen dont u know anything about suspense?
that shouldnt come for at least 4 more pages.
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sigh, alright. I was saving this, but Melkorai got the info from Holajr. He gave it to me, I traded it to isun for 5p and an immo ring. He stripped the sorc and ebayed the account to vict who set up the kado part of the story for us.
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The difference between a smart guy and a clever guy is this:
A smart guy knows how not get out of a nasty situation. A clever guy will not put himself in a postion to BE in that nasty situation in the first place.
Be clever. Stop giving your info around to people, and you won't have this problem.
BTW, proving a case at court saying "I know it's XYZ" as your argument, won't win your case for you.
But then, it's prolly all about the drama and the postcounts more than anything, isn't it.
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"But then, it's prolly all about the drama and the postcounts more than anything, isn't it."
ding ding ding ding ding
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"and the characters completely restored."
-Acher
"#2: I didn't tell anyone my characters were stripped, before or after restoration, how could you have known that?"
-Acher
Personally, I think that's BS because a CSR wouldn't have restored items ganked and given to a different char.
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And more importantly, PAGE.
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The reason it was brought up (twice) after they retired is what they did before they retired that got found out by someone who wasn't supposed to and who said the wrong thing to the wrong person and thus inspired said events from the previous night that has since been corrected and posted about.
Figure out what the hell that means and then you're on to something.
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I think he was saying that the items didnt get taken, that the characters just got deleted.
Because youre right, csr's don't replace looted items.
edit- i tried to figure it out ash but you got me
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Personally, I think that's BS because a CSR wouldn't have restored items ganked and given to a different char.
You're right, and that's why they were restored as completely stripped, even artifacts. If I had said that before, it wouldn't have led Julae to reveal what he did. Also, I mentioned they were restored last night, which they really weren't. They're naked level 50's, with skills, quests, and MLs. I'll be pushing for more later, but we'll see.
I can have my artifacts restored, because obviously they were dropped/deleted, and that's provable by checking logs, or checking quests. If the items were traded, which is funny I never thought that happened, that can be checked too. Guess I get to do a few other things tomorrow.
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in regards to joose:
If the character was restored and had all items on it, then nothing was stripped in the first place because you're right, csr wouldn't have restored the items.
let's say you get scammed and someone deletes your toon. CSR will restore the toon prior to deletion, but not with items.
If they restored items, then there's duplicates. Mythic's whoring money-making ways can't have that. They won't do that.
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"If I had said that before, it wouldn't have led Julae to reveal what he did."
Reveal what? You know more about the situation than me seeing as how I wasn't involved whatsoever, which is the entire reason this topic caused me any frustration to begin with.
Any statements I've made have been pure speculation. I've seen 98320938 cases like this, the most recent being the Cleric/Necromancer in Evangelist on Mordred. The characters were stripped before being deleted.
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So by saying that they were completely stripped, you simply guessed that?
Okay.
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No, Goldenrod told me that during pillow talk yesterday morning.
You're so stupid sometimes. Honestly.
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Any statements I've made have been pure speculation. I've seen 98320938 cases like this, the most recent being the Cleric/Necromancer in Evangelist on Mordred. The characters were stripped before being deleted.
Funny how you're always around when stuff is stripped/deleted.
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Personally, alex, I think that you are clueless about the situation and should really just not talk about it. All you are doing is making yourself look like you were involved in it.
That'd be like me saying for sure that ghettoo (completely hypothetical, just an example) did something against ToS, acher knew/found out, told me, I told someone else (phel, for example), it got back to ghettoo and he took vengeance on acher for letting the cat out of the bag.
When in reality, all of that is BS and I'm just posting on the thread for the +1 and the drama that comes with it.
edit: and in the meantime, getting a whole lot of friends pissed at each other for no good reason.
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Actually I wasn't around for that, it happened before I joined the guild, I merely heard the story after-the-fact.
I had access to your account once, it was when your Sorc was level 40, can't say whether you changed the password or not since I never tried to log it in after that day, but I'd assume that in 10 levels and almost 1 mill RPs you would've.
This is a waste of my time and I'm losing sleep over it, good night, hope you find whoever ripped you off~ And I really mean that.
"Personally, alex, I think that you are clueless about the situation and should really just not talk about it. All you are doing is making yourself look like you were involved in it."
I didn't ask for your opinion Ash, but thanks. I don't care if people -think- I was involved, because the people who know me would just laugh at that. It's crappy of acher to do what he's doing. He could be more mature and go about it a different way, instead he's started some witch hunt slanderfest against Free Rps. Gasp! Sorry for trying to defend myself and the other 6 innocent people from acher's circumstancial evidence!
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>> Ashamael are u saying ghettoo radared? :0 <<
Yeah, that's it. The whole hypothetical/bs thing was just a joke~
edit: >>the other 6 innocent people<<
That number is a bit high, I think.
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I dont know ash sounds pretty detailed to be just hypothetical. Also if your situation is more than just hypothetical it leads us to our motive.
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He could be more mature and go about it a different way, instead he's started some witch hunt slanderfest against Free Rps.
How else could I have gone about it?
Contact Free Rps members?
Hmmm... did that. Already said I did, too.
I basically got laughed at, especially by Hola.
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actually mythic can restore your toons with EVERYTHING on them. someone in my guild did it to their RM by mistake and immediately appealed. CSR basically ahd them do liek you /charcopy to pendragon. had him make a level 1 toon with same name, log off acct and not to log on until he received the e-mail saying his toon was restored. think it took them around 4 hours to do it. he got everything back inc art's/money/all drops he was wearing/had in his inventory.
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not if the toon's items were traded away.
otherwise it would be pretty simple to duplicate items wouldnt it.
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This is pretty much going to go around and around.
Yonek, I'm sorry that you had your stuff stripped and I'm glad that you have had it restored. Calling out a guild name without proof or motive is pretty much wrong. There's pretty much no such thing as guilt by association unless the person knew about the "crime" and did nothing to "stop it" or "notify someone that it was happening". IMO figure out what person did it and call them out, instead of accusing a whole "guild" full of people until you "uncover the mole".
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"I'm pretty sure I know who it was, but since -you- already know who it was, and you're so determined on that, I guess I don't need to tell you."
Came a few posts after:
" instead of actually trying to investigate the possibility of a keylogger or some other such reason"
Why point to the possibility of a keylogger when you think you know who it was?
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Kinda wierd that the last two posts about Yonek's account have been full of accusations and flames, but don't get locked for it. He bribing the mods?
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Anebriated posted on 2/4/05 2:37am
not if the toon's items were traded away.
otherwise it would be pretty simple to duplicate items wouldnt it.
That's the way you used to be able to dupe items/plat. They nerfed it when they nerfed being able to make yourself LD to save your sun weapons. Before, you could trade items to someone and plat right after you get the message "your character has been saved", make yourself LD, log back in and delete the toon, then /appeal OMGWTFHELPMEPLS!!! I DELETED MY TOON!!!!11
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Wonder if that is part of the reason CSRs give people with legitimate problems a hard time. Everyone has an angle.
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well that blows about your acct, but this witchhunt is pretty funny. i don't think we even had your info, i know i personally never had it.
even if we had it, i don't know of anybody who would delete your stuff. we've had access to literally, and probably still do have access (i dont have my txt file of accts anymore) 100's of accounts server wide and nothing has happened to them.
i don't think any of us have actually played or logged in daoc for months besides probably the twins. i don't have it presently installed, neither does tom, so
but gl on the restoration, mythics cs sucks. i think if they restore arts, they'll restore them at lvl 0 which blows.
oh, and just so you know, and i apologize for this kad - but we had given out your info to a variety of people taht we trusted when we ran around on mid/lance. so, the implications that only free rps had kadoraks account info is pretty funny. to my knowledge, atleast 6 other people that we knew and trusted had the info.
and, honestly, if i was going to make a copy of a character i wouldn't put it on kadoraks account.
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theres a difference between knowing who did something and knowing that its going on at the time. edit: and doing something to prevent it/notify someone/etc.
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But Mesta, nobody got hurt. They weren't stealing from people, just a game.
I suppose that's the same argument you could use in that hypothetical question about robbing a bank and not getting caught asked a while back. Thanks for playing the Devil's Advocate 
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Patreen: No, there really isn't that much of a difference. Maybe my standards of morality and yours are totally different, but I think that's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. If you know someone commited a crime and you still remain friends with them & cover for them, I don't think it's unreasonable to hold you partly accountable.
I'm just glad there aren't more people like you involved in our criminal justice system. "Well, I know you murdered someone, but that's okay. I didn't know about it beforehand, so I'll just ignore it."
Ghettoo: Well, great. Did any of them have access to Acher's zerk account? I don't know, you didn't mention who those people were. But it's the overlap that makes me suspicious and inclined to believe Acher until I see some evidence in the other direction.
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What I said was entirely different than how you decided to flip it around. I _obviously_ wasn't talking about "aiding and abetting" (lol?) aka finding out after the fact and helping the person stay anonymous etc. You're not guilty by association at that point, you are guilty of something else therefore you're not guilty by association... you're just guilty
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Listen. No one in Free Rps cares about DAoC or you enough to do anything.
Golden/Phel are innocent children who won't touch anything.
Snoogles is hardcore into WOW playing for some top guild.
Chris/Tom are in school and didn't care enough about DAoC as any of the other members. The only person they'd ever even consider screwing over is Dalira because she scammed a buffbot they owned. And them touching Dalira is still highly unlikely, even given the opportunity. ESPECIALLY now - when DAoC means even less to them than it did before.
Djbob dissapeared and is busy pissing Stratics Ops off.
Kelyns is in school and plays hockey.
Basically you were abandoned by FRPs. Screwed up yes, I said back then and I'll say now that Tom/Chris were too lame to actually outright boot you; instead they gave you the silent treatment. Which, based on what you said about "Free Rps ruining competitive gaming for you" -- seems you were a bit upset about. If you know Chris and Tom then you'd KNOW that they joke about everything and anything. They've never taken DAoC seriously enough to drive them to delete your characters. Any sign of discontent towards anyone is usually followed by teasing and a "LOL." Never "god I hate this guy I wish I could scam him" or anything along those lines. Seems kind of odd that out of the blue, they'd decide to go from easy-going to scammers. Either they're really good at faking a personality (and if you know Chris/Tom they can't fake anything for the lives of them) or they didn't do it. I'm whole-heartedly convinced that DAoC doesn't mean anything to any of us. Along with that, you don't mean enough to anyone to go after and screw over (only person even remotely worthy of it, as stated above, is Dalira).
Who knows for a fact that all your characters were stripped and deleted? Just you and the CSR. Did anyone else log in to the empty account and see everything gone? Maybe Ash, that's about all I can think about. As for Yonek being on Kadorak's account the only thing I'm pissed at is how FRPs whored the account out to everyone. That type of crap got ryse banned as well. Idiots.
After Mordred you were sort of forgotten-about amongst us. We didn't stay in DAoC long after Mordred, but we did still talk on AIM/IRC a lot. Nothing was mentioned about you, ever. So what makes you think you were really important enough to any of them to actually go after and harm? In a game that lost all meaning to us months ago?
I'm not saying you are making this up, your characters may have actually gotten deleted - but not by the people you think it's by. Plain and simple no one in Free Rps cares about DAoC or you enough to make us install DAoC, download the patch upgrades, maybe download the housing patch (if your chars were in housing), strip your characters, delete them, then log on Kadorak's account to create the name Yonek. I will, however, blame Free Rps for giving Kadorak's account out. So yes, they were indirectly related to your scam incident because of the Kadorak incident -- but saying they deleted your characters firsthand out of spite is farfetched.
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why bother trying to explain it. the man has it burned into his mind that someone from free rp's stripped his toons. Added on to the fact that he has to re-outfit all his toons again, your not likely going to remove that impression from his head. Let him point fingers at whoever he wishes and he can justify it any way he wants. If you truly didn't do anything, just ignore the post and be happy with your innocence. Coming here to make a big deal about it just fuels his fire, hopefully one day he figures out the truth.
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Circle the wagons all you want, it was without a doubt someone in Free Rps, there's just no way around it. There are so many "coincidences" that line it up to that possibility alone, that it wouldn't make sense to say it was anyone but them.
Am I bitter about Mordred? Sure I am. Considering there wasn't anyone who could've done what I was doing better than me, except for Mike, I guess it really made no difference. Aside from personal conflicts, if we hadn't been losing, I doubt anything that did happen, would've happened. I am glad I wasn't involved in anything after Mordred, though. I can't fathom gaming with more simple minded children again (again, except Mike...). I've never witnessed such socially inept human beings at work. If it didn't include typing, it wasn't communicated without a bunch of other... "static". Edit: (Disregard any attempt to start drama, I think most of this can be figured out without me having to say so.)
I guess what's done is done, eh? Obviously once bitten twice shy, and to those that may have been able to use my accounts in the future won't, and that's their loss now, thanks to certain people. I didn't play any of these toons anymore, and without being strapped for cash, they weren't worth much to me, aside from obvious personal feelings and my time invested in them. I guess I did always want Yonek to be a Norseman. The actual funny thing is, my Shaman bot, who actually had over 300p in items in his inventory was left untouched. Whereas the combination of items who potentially could be traded, or were simply just dropped/deleted, didn't touch that in the least.
I didn't make this post to smear names, because there are some in Free Rps who do deserve better. I did in fact create it to hopefully find someone within their "organization" who had some sort of humanity/sympathy/heart/etc to come forward and go, "Yeah, I know who it was, I'm not doing to be a dick and watch them rape you like this." But, I guess that's simply not possible.
Alex came close, though.
And to Anty... this isn't a joke, unlike your possible beliefs, DAoC in itself doesn't mean this much to me. I guess the only proof for that is my initial lack of concern with the actual harrassment of my account. What does bother me however, is that after all I had done for these guys, does not only what happened happen, but they still hold their silence, and do nothing about it. It's those personal convictions and general morals that people can't really always retain.
Edit: Clarity, I just woke up from 3 hrs of sleep.
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" Hola was an ugly kobold before "
Boy isnt that the truth! And then he made an ugly bard too ~
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[13:43] <Zwei> let's play a guessing game.
[13:43] <Zwei> it's called
[13:43] <Heit> ok
[13:43] <Zwei> guess who ****ed with acher's acct.
[13:43] <Zwei> if we guess right
[13:43] <Zwei> acher has to tell us.
[13:43] <acher> lol
[13:43] <Zwei> I'll start
[13:43] <Zwei> foxflight !
[13:44] <acher> correct
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this post is mean
the person that did this is mean
foxflight is mean
put 1 2 and 3 together and !!!!
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Hello there Fulton sir! Gosh I hope the Pats lose btw!
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So I'm guilty because I have a guess at who did it, but no real proof to back it up, and I don't want to say anything because this person woud probably be labeled as guilty no matter what?
God I'm such a terrible person.
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i agree.. alex is a dick... except when he's a pussy... then he really can't be a dick can he...so go run away some more pussy, we like you that way more than we do when you're a dick.
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ok so wait...if I'm reading this right...Alex can spontaneously reproduce and double-orgasm himself?
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"Am I bitter about Mordred? Sure I am. Considering there wasn't anyone who could've done what I was doing better than me, except for Mike, I guess it really made no difference."
sorry, not to burst your gigantic ego, but we didn't like you on sorc. for one, you rarely did anything except chain cc spells when we needed dps. for another, djbob was simply better than you. he's simply a better _player_. i know, i know, that must be hard to believe for you and i'm sure your brigade of puggers that you group with in mid are frothing at the mouth right now, but it's true.
hell, jathin played your sorc ONE time and out mez'd you on his laptop, lol. i remmeber the comment too.. "how did you land that mez?" -acher. why did you ask? becasue mezzing for you was such a rare occasion i guess
as for the rest of your post, sorry but it's all speculation. we didn't do anything to your account, but keep dreaming. if it makes you sleep better at night, then that's ok. i mean really, what do we care? this drama is entertaining. daoc is dead, has been dead, and will continue to be dead.
so, as far as i can tell, you're a bitter person for being booted out of free rps. i mean hell, you whined to just about everyone for it. i remember your msg's to phel, so dramatic, like you have no life outside of daoc. OH GOD PHEL, JSUT REMEMBER WHO STUCK UP FOR YOU, WHO HELD YOU CLOSE WHEN THEY INSULTED YOU, JUST REMEMBER BUDDY.
as for being socially inept.. yes, that can be judged by vent conversations. it's funny, too, because if we go by vent conversation you strike me and others as some jackass hick who talks more than oprah winfrey. i mean, really dude, even people you play with now have said you're ridiculously annoying in ventrilo.
edit: and i know, i know. you own me at daoc, you rool on healer, shaman, sorc, etc. everyones better than me as MA, etc etc.
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I guess you have to blame someone for not trumping everyone on Mordred like you thought you would. Me being the easy target, grats to me!
hell, jathin played your sorc ONE time and out mez'd you on his laptop, lol. i remmeber the comment too.. "how did you land that mez?" -acher. why did you ask? becasue mezzing for you was such a rare occasion i guess
I remember the fight, it was in ToA, and in Oceanus. The group we hit hadn't SoS'ed on inc. What I was more suprised about the mez was the simple fact that he had been commenting on all the lag he had playing in ToA on his laptop.
I really don't think Jathin's playing ability is in question here.
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"Seems if they (you?) are willing to shelter friends' criminal actions, they (you?) are at least partially responsible. "
Thats implying that any member of free rps actually knows who the person responsible is. And at the moment, acher is saying he knows who it is, but wont even come out and say.
"I guess you have to blame someone for not trumping everyone on Mordred like you thought you would. Me being the easy target, grats to me!"
Why would we have to blame anyone? Once we switched to hybrid there was no one that we didn't take down consistantly and savagely. Sure, the caster group may have been a bit more rough but honestly, we were low realm rank, and its not like we even had the ideal caster setup (no ae on a caster group to fight theurgists BRILlIaiANT~).
edit: the main problem here is that you are implying that someone in free rps would be so dumb as to make the Yonek char on kadoraks account as oppossed to their own, or a lesser used one where it couldnt be discovered or something~
edit2: logs please.
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i don't see why they would be blaming you for "not trumping everyone on Mordred". there isn't anything thats really more challenging in this game than playing low rr (4-5) and competing with higher rank and ml groups. it almost doesn't matter if your group has superior players, because in the end, they have more toys and more of an advantage, and if anything i would think they'd blame it on that. but its not like free rps did bad on mordred by any means. just my opinion though.
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Jesus, Chris. Show some mercy.
@ghettoo chris.
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But anyways, like I've said quite a few times, I'm not here to smear names, my goal was to simply get someone to come forward in some way, and to also get some sort of response period from Free Rps members, but nothing has come from it. So, I'm basically going to let it go, and let those who did it continue to live their obviously pathetic lives.
Getting IP logs and comparing them to posters wasn't a problem, really.
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CSRs won't give IPs. They won't give anything more than char names.
LOL PAGE AGAIN.
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That'd be true if I hadn't spoke to anyone besides CSRs.
Like I said, I'm letting it go. Finding out was enough for me, I'm just chalking it up to lesson learned right now.
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"Getting IP logs and comparing them to posters wasn't a problem, really. "
Say who it was then.
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OMG you would ALL make horrible detectives.
Its obvious, it was Ninjac.
jfc
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There was clearly a second gunman on the grassy knoll.
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> Say who it was then.
He has no idea who did it. He's playing that game
like when a woman wants to see if you've done something
wrong and says "if you just tell me what you did, I'll
forgive you." Then she waits for you to tell her all
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just tell us who it is if you have an ip that matches someones posts...
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Also... A Moderator won't give a persons IP either...
So its pretty easy to say that your IP proof is a lie.
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where did he get the ip to compare with the post ip that the mod's won't give out? from mythic headquarters?
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Also... A Moderator won't give a persons IP either...
So its pretty easy to say that your IP proof is a lie.
heh
I really don't need to say anything, other than you're wrong.
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ya know, with the lance players that have become mods it doesn't sound too far fetched.
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Yonek posted on 2/4/05 1:11pm
Also... A Moderator won't give a persons IP either...
So its pretty easy to say that your IP proof is a lie.
heh
I really don't need to say anything, other than you're wrong.
Actually... Im not... If they do... and Management finds out they get De-modded. Period.
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Yonek to be more full of crap about IPs please.
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hmmmm drama
good for the soul
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I blame Levi ....
sorry but everytime we had a problem in charlatan ppl were blamin levi so I guess its his fault again !
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see what happens when your population suddenly increases? all a sudden you start sounding like albs WTG ! never give out your info sucka
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"There was clearly a second gunman on the grassy knoll."
I concur.
Clearly, there was.
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"But anyways, like I've said quite a few times, I'm not here to smear names, my goal was to simply get someone to come forward in some way, and to also get some sort of response period from Free Rps members, but nothing has come from it. So, I'm basically going to let it go, and let those who did it continue to live their obviously pathetic lives."
I could be wrong, and it could still be someone in Free Rps, but this post makes me think it was you. Perhaps you really were that bitter? You're not stupid; you surely know that this would do nothing BUT smear names. Don't give me this 'I'm getting them to confess' high strung bs. You seem to only give enough to keep the speculation going. Where's some proof? And perhaps the most glaring of all; the creation of Yonek on Kadoraks account. Kado, do you honestly think that someone doing all this would believe that you wouldn't notice? Doesn't it seem just a little too obvious? And now, you just jump ship and say "I'm not going to tell, but I know who it is, and they suck!, and I'm done with all this." Trying to leave on the moral high ground after all this? It doesn't matter if it was someone in Free Rps or not, this is just DIRTY Acher.
Honestly, your story just loses too much credibility when you take the blaming game to VN and won't back it up. Give us a bone here.
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It's true that a moderator will never give the IP of another poster unless he wants to lose his title pretty damn quickly. Though it's always possible that he was given the IP logs, though posting here wouldn't be a smart idea seeing that Managers tend to do a pretty hardass investigation if it was done only making this entire drama event more of a headache.
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best thread ever
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This thread has been the best thread in a long time.
Going to laugh if a mod did in fact just own themselves by giving out IP info.
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dude, it's a free rps based topic
ign wise, you know how we do. drama2themax
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hay guys, what's going on LOL
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There's so much BS in this post that I'm afraid I can't say anything else.
Otherwise, the post would go over the BS meter and self explode, harming all involved.
Oh wait. I can't shut up. That's how this whole thing got started, really.
Free Rps had motive.
Free Rps had opportunity when nobody else did.
That makes it pretty clear in my mind.
The question that everybody wants to know, though, is what acher had on them that caused this to happen.
And don't bother Pming me, guys. If you can't find something to say other than "You believe acher because we rolled you every time LOLZ" then you're not worth talking to.
Face it: One of you did it. At least one of you got my vent info and abused it. At least one of you violated ToS of daoc multiple times during your so-called career. And somewhere along the way, you got so caught up in yourself that you forgot to breathe.
You might have had more success at this video game than me ... most of you are probably much better players than I am, with or without the hacks ... but you disgust me with your lies and evasions, not only to acher/the public, but your own guild members.
That is all I will ever have to say on the subject. Feel free to pump up your e-peens even more on this topic ... you seem to use every opportunity possible to remind everyone of how great you are.
The great ones (anty, for example) doesn't need to remind anyone. In fact, he's sticking up for you when you were hiding stuff from him. Kind of reminds me of my situation with KoS.
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' The great ones (anty, for example) doesn't need to remind anyone"
hey now, i was great!
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WOW this still hasnt been locked
+1
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Yeah, you were great in daoc...
no further comment.
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well yeah, this is daoc message board!
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"The question that everybody wants to know, though, is what acher had on them that caused this to happen."
or what acher THOUGHT he had on them.
edit: honestly, i dont think anyone did anything to acher's account. except acher himself.
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Ash, that entire post is 100% based on Acher telling the complete truth. He may be. He may not be. Wouldn't you rather hold off on such an accusation until you're sure such an EXTREME claim is true?
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I'm going on more than just what acher has said or showed me, and thus formed the conclusions I have. If I'm wrong and am shown that I'm wrong, I'm man enough to step back and say that I'm sorry.
But nobody else in this scenario has acted in an innocent (not to mention mature) manner, so whatever.
I think they did it. It doesn't matter, their legend is ingrained in lancelot history. Just like KoS, they'll never be forgotten.
Maybe KoS is a bad example ... or maybe it's the perfect one.
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great thread, imo.
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Too bad innocent mods have to be dragged into it. Guilt by association sucks. If someone wants to bite that hand that fed them that's cool and no ones business but your own but dragging someone in with a blanket statement is wrong, whether the statement is completely false or even partly true.
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I could be wrong, and it could still be someone in Free Rps, but this post makes me think it was you. Perhaps you really were that bitter? You're not stupid; you surely know that this would do nothing BUT smear names. Don't give me this 'I'm getting them to confess' high strung bs. You seem to only give enough to keep the speculation going. Where's some proof? And perhaps the most glaring of all; the creation of Yonek on Kadoraks account. Kado, do you honestly think that someone doing all this would believe that you wouldn't notice? Doesn't it seem just a little too obvious? And now, you just jump ship and say "I'm not going to tell, but I know who it is, and they suck!, and I'm done with all this." Trying to leave on the moral high ground after all this? It doesn't matter if it was someone in Free Rps or not, this is just DIRTY Acher.
Any Free Rps member that is willing to log into my account and see every single artifact gone from not only Yonek (which had 13 at level 10, some in his vault are also gone), 10 or so on my Sorcrer on Mordred (3-4 in his backpack, Tablet, Jacinas, Traldors, etc) is more than willing to. There's also still 2 50's with more ToA done on them that I havn't restored, one of which who has ~800 SC.
There's absoltely nothing left on the account that's worth anything anymore, and I could really care less who's on it now.
Reply if you want access, and you can see it for yourself.
If you really think I'd go out of my way to delete 23 Artifacts, and trade off 20-30 items, then you're out of your mind.
Golden, do you want to be the first?
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yay 200
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or what acher THOUGHT he had on them.
edit: honestly, i dont think anyone did anything to acher's account. except acher himself.
ROFLMAO
I think anyone in Vent the night it happened, who I'd be glad to list names, can attest to my reaction.
You're an idiot, tried and true, Patreen.
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Soo much DRAMA ... will this make it all the way to page 10?
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i'm basing my opinion off the information presented, just like pretty much everyone else who has read the threads. but w/e.
edit: and i know about what happened. i don't know the exact words that were said, but i was told basically what happened.
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I think anyone in Vent the night it happened, who I'd be glad to list names, can attest to my reaction.
I was there!
I can and do attest to Acher's reaction.
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I've got a serious question Acher...Why post any of this...aside from the obvious farm post you've given me.
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