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LOCKED LENGTH, FLAMING, PROFANITY
Can anyone tell me exactly whats going on here? The air is so thick with drama its choking me.
Any plans for a new alliance where people lay off the ego/pride and just play the damn game together?
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Breaking News!
Happened last night. some crap happened it seems.
call it the Albion Way. Childish, Immature... call it whatever u want. lol
It's like in a group... someone goes to bed/leaves, out of 8 ppl... 7 remains... then all of a sudden, everybody has to go!
oh well.. go figure eheh but someone post the scoop pls! i wanna know wth happened ehehe
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People who wanted to fight the other realms vs. people who wanted to fight /as spam!
Why worry about relics when we can yell at people for saying lfg in /as?
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You got a point... <worst part of his statement... is... he is FU***NG right!>
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Its sad to see such a fine alliance break up. It was so useful and fun.
/sarcasm off.
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My favorite part was Gheris' RP themed, all capped, misspelled /as spams.
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When I was on alb merlin this /as had some roleplayers it was so @#$@#$ corny. This dude logs in and says in /as "A dark mist gathers around you and suddenly glowing eyes part the fog and you see ..."
I did /as a loud fart breaks the silence.
The roleplayers pitched a fit started spamming "WHAT GUILD IS HE IN OMG YOU'RE BANNED!"
So I just started /as spamming "LIGHTNING BOLT LIGHTNING BOLT, I just hit you for 500 damage you're dead and can't talk!"
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I can't even imagine what the /as lfg spam is like in alb. HAHA...
As far as roleplaying goes... nm.
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Is /as the main reason alliances break up? I don't want to knock my current alliance because I really like most of the people in it, but it seemed to me that The United of Albion was a perfect fit for my guild, although it broke up when AWC formed.
Of course this was pre-ToA, but all the guilds seemed to want to defend/retake ALB keeps whenever possible. I know this is not everyone's priority, but it seemed to me like we all shared this goal, and we all got along well.
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I for one am shocked and awed.
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"My favorite part was Gheris' RP themed, all capped, misspelled /as spams"
i've heard stories of this. lol, guess they are true
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>>>i've heard stories of this. lol, guess they are true<<<
they are very good
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Anyone know of a smaller alliance accepting guilds that don't bicker in /as?
And whatever happened to gheris? he said he was going to quit in a big thread on the lance boards, and then two weeks later he was *trying to lead a relic retake. Shortly after those albs getting slapped around all this drama began...
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Btw, I saw this coming from a mile away.
After we lost our relics, I had a feeling people would be pointing fingers -- mostly the guilds who didn't send anyone to defend... Sure enough, AWC is gone now.
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Managing the /as in any big alliance is tricky. Personally, I think people get way too uptight about what is said in /as. Most arguments start because someone tells someone else to stop spamming /as. This invariably results in 100x more spam than if they just stayed quiet, or sent a polite personal tell. The funny thing is, the person yelling "stop spamming!" is usually someone sitting up at hill fins or something. Why a little spam is so bothering to these people is beyond me.
I have become very good at selectively tuning out /as and /gu spam. I still have problems with /send spam, but that is a separate issue. I can lead a ml raid, never notice a word of what is being said in /as, but instantly see if a relic raid problem is in the works.
There are, of course, limits. But I have seen people blow up long before what I would consider a reasonable limit. I have seen the rvr people blow up over someone asking who has the toa cg, and I have seen the pve people blow up over someone requesting help in defending a keep. Considering how huge the Zerg This alliance is, I think there is remarkably little /as spam. So everyone should relax and enjoy the game. Let a joke or two float through, it's not going to kill you.
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Heh, funny thing Mist... I agree with you 100%, but apparently the alliance GMs got together and decided officially that all corrections were to be done over /as. I thought it was fine when it was in tells...
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>>>And whatever happened to gheris?<<<
you think someone who is so into roleplaying this game will ever leave?
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I would bet that at least half of the people in any alliance have no clue what their GMs agreed to when they joined the alliance. The cool thing is, if I am on an important raid, there is a nice checkbox next to Alliance in the chat properties that can very easily be unchecked.
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One thing I disagreed with after thinking about it was AWC's decision not to attempt any RR on Mid and Hib, and just let them get reset by Frontiers. The problem this causes is it lets Mid and Hib breeze through their MLs and Artifacts with no interruptions, like we suffered. Suiciding out of a high ML raid you waited 2 weeks for the repeat to happen sucked. And if we don't at least bang on their doors we're giving them a free ticket to have all their MLs and Artifacts leveled by the time Frontiers hits.
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Gheris? Role-playing? WTF?
I guess he must turn into this unhuman "Thou'rt a prude!" RP-tard after I log out or something. Dammit, I didn't realize it was my job to keep that n00b in line. Sorry! 
BTW, the reast about the caps and bad spelling... are pretty true. Throw in bad driving and you've defined my friend.
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"I still have problems with /send spam" ~ Mistwraith
Sorry mist
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Hey Albs,
I'm not sure that publicly discussing the weal or woe of Albion's alliances on a public forum such as VN is such a good idea.
Try taking it somewhere that no one will see it.
The Mythica Forums are probably vacant these days, hahaha.
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i knew it was only a matter of time way to many egos in that alliance
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I just want to make something clear.. the TK/Cleveland Steamers alliance will not be accepting any new guilds. so please stop sending us tells.
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If I promise to be a good buffbot can I join cleveland steamers?
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imo all what should not have been posted on this board
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I am happy it was. Good amusement while I'm at work.
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I should have logged what was going on atleast in guild chat deeshay would have liked to see what sarcasm was going on.
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I knew this alliance was done when the relics changed hands. Gheris just instigated it's demise. The alliance was terrible at realm defense anyway. The only thing it was good at (and really good at) was ML raid info. That is all I will miss from /as.
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Woot, mission accomplished. So many people to thank for making this all possible. First of all I'd like to thank the incompetent Albs in their ability to defend. More importantly for my guild for following me and listening to expose the AWC weakness.
GO GO CTA ("You guys are too afraid to get the Str relics, you'll never get them while AWC has the CTA.") A quote from myself that has been repeated by numerous Albs in many different ways but that pretty much sums it all up.
Good luck on all these guilds new endeavors and a /beg gang bang salute for all of you.
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So now we are a divided realm. How does this make us stronger?
Smaller ML raids, less coordinated realm defense.
Our GM's failed us on this one...
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Thanks Cyce  I didn't want the relics anyway.
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Oh, dear. What shall we do now?
Hate to burst yer bubble, Cyce, but the degradation of AWC was balls-to-the-wall before y'all took the relics. :-)
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Yeah I figured as much, but I just loved the comments about the CTA haha. That was great stuff. And alot of folks in AWC made comments like the one I made.
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hi, i'm gheris, i'm a super tool, i'm going to teach the hibs a lesson...
ahh the memories...
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^^^^
Yea, I lost all respect for Gheris with that move.
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Looks like we taught the lesson  .
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Heh i love how all threads that make mention of me get turned into flames by a bunch of people that dont know me, but rather go by what others day. I could care less how many people hate me or badmouth me... i did this for my guild.
Yea i left for like a month, and came back for my guild.
The reasons AWC was formed and what it had become were two very different things. The alliance it had become was no longer where TU wanted to be. My guild was unhappy and i had to do what was best for my guild. Yea /as was a huge problem in awc.. and every gm tried many different things to solve it. In the end while it lasted AWC was a great alliance.
With the nature of frontiers i dont see a need for a enormous alliance for communication when all anyone has to do is look at he map for where the fight is.
Instead TU has its own plans for what alliance it will be apart of next, the one thing i can say is that it will be a alliance of guilds that enjoy playing together and would rather help eachother out then badmouth eachother over alliance chat.
A alliance should be to a point a extension of the guild, a place where you can find things to do, and make friends to play with.. but at the very least enjoy being allied with them.
Thats what TU wants from a alliance.. and in that hope we will make the next steps for where to go.. not for any realm.. for anyone else.. or for what anyone thinks of me or any alliance... just for TU.. thas why i came back.. thats why i play and they are the people i try to make happy with a cool guild.
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I think here is a good place for Waste to insert a bacon is good comment...if he does so I shall return to concur with his opinion.
In all seriousness though, yeah, the big /as's can be tough to manage. I make fun of my fellow guild GMs for making random /as comments at times lol. For the number of people involved I've really come to like the Zerg This alliance...we have our share of spammers and chat nazies but when you consider the number of people involved it's amazingly well behaved.
I think the /cg system works fairly well when people are courteous enough to answer requests about who has what /cg (and people take the initiative to start a /cg for whatever if there isn't one for the day yet). When people try to sell or do LFG in /as one of the best reactions I've seen is other people asking who has the appropriate /cg instead of directly bitching at the person right away.
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hey gheris, you forgot to mention how you wanted to be the supreme dictator of AWC instead of having every GM's say count.
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Err, it wasn't Gheris who took over that position... Rather, someone who will remain anonymous.
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Reformed smoker inc?
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I find it a shame Gheris has been playing this game probably since day1 and he still needs 200k rps before he can use level 51 weaps.
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LMAO Gheyris... Should we start calling you "Warleader Of Albion" now? Just like you suggested when you held that not so 'secret' meeting of all AWC GMs when you came back?
The fact that ID blatantly said NO to that ludicrous suggestion set you off. So you held another not so 'secret' meeting the other night and excluded ID and other guilds in AWC that did not support you so you could gather support from the other piddly guilds that garner less RPs per week then most players do in a single run.
If you think considering yourself as "Warleader Of Albion" and bringing guilds together that can't hold a level 1 keep for longer then 1 hour due to lack of Bounty Points, is the best for your guild... then all the power to you. I can't wait till you get frustrated and end up quiting again. Hopefully you take all the other useless players with you too.
BTW, when are you leading another Legion run? Gotta equip the realm with all those phat lewts ya know!
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I did... I was liek, "MAKE CABBYMAN TEH ALLIANCE MASTER", but other people said, "NO, OUTLAW BACON".
That's what caused the split.
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Just so you know, I didn't pay Arganda anything to say that about me. That's how deep the people's love for me is.
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Just a reminder to those backstabbing Gheris... 1 day you guys were his bish ( technically ) and were fighting on his side and today you are hitting him for the way he does stuff...
ho well... remember it's only a game and since we are all Albs... we HAVE to FU***NG STICK TOGETHER.
Bu i know how it is when you do something that ID (or some ex-former of ID) doesn't like it... it's back stab over backstab over backstab over...
Have fun Gheris. Do your s**t and enjoy the game the way you want:)
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"we HAVE to FU***NG STICK TOGETHER"
You guys have that down, I see you guys run around Emain stuck together everyday.
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Wow.. another post with half truths.. what a shock.
First off.. how is a bi-weekly council meeting a "secret meeting"? And no i never demanded that i be called that.. i suggested that the council elect someone for that.. or a figure head council leader so the damn meetings wouldnt last 2 hours with little progress past.. "what are we gunna do about /as?"
But i do appreciate the thought to bash me in another post.
And as for as legion raids... let me explain something to the l33t emain pharmers whos sole purpose is to be the next Phos and make daoc into a fps by simply pharming rps. People play this game for different reasons.. one of those is to have FUN. Some people have fun on legion raids... others like myself like keep taking (no rps earned in keep taking 75% of the time).
But if ya wanna call me a n00b or whatever for my rp count.. or for how i play then while your at it pay my 15 bucks a month since apparently its yer right to tell me how i should play... ya might as well pay for my account while yer at it.
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Indeed Gand.. u got a point :\
But i didn't mean the Zerg factor :P
ya know what i'm saying eheh
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I'm forming the ABC alliance. Albion Bacon Council.
Cabbyman to be supreme commander.
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my .02
What killed AWC
1. /AS police, and continual changes of /AS policy as to what could be said etc.
result was people were always scrutnaizing stuff said in /AS and the "fun" factor of chatting with friends was removed.
2. Indeferent atitude towards Realm Defence. People grew tired of continually defending or asked to defend the realm when. This wouldent have happend as much if TNO didnt routinely MoC PBAE BomB the zerg into bed. So people just wanted to be left alone, and those defending felt abandoned.
3. ToA, took a lot of the "fun" factor out of the game.
4. Guilds in AWC not doing their part for defence.
Really I think it was just that people were no longer having fun in /as and the fun of the game had left a while back. I have a feeling those guilds in AWC who are commited to Realm Defence will find their way into an Alliance with TU / Resolution again.
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Cleveland Steamers will start a new alliance, msg Stex for details.
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I will lead the realm with brutal, unforgiving discipline, and the people will love me for it!
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OMG fear the dictator cabby!!!!
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The only posts in here with half truths are yours Mr.Knight Of The Round Table.
You came back expecting everyone to hang from your nuts, thinking you were some kind of superpower on the server. It's too bad people could careless if you lead some sort of collective carebearing. Fact is, you may have respect from some people in the realm, but you don't have nearly enough respect from anyone to ever be considered "Warleader Of Albion"... as if such a thing could ever exist.
Besides, I never told you how to play... I left you to your own demise. Why don't you go back to slurping on your chocolate milk, telling tales of the old arthur days while you collectively shine eachother's swords in some sort of low expectation, insubstantial circle jerk.
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Huzzah for teh circle jerk.
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Long live the bacon.
/as buffbot guild to be named beware of the bacon in honor of waste
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Speaking of which. As self-proclaimed war leader of Hibernia I was shocked when I was actually booted from a frontier CG cause I was trying to stop the hibs from getting farmed by somebody in a guild called "Chosun." WTF. And then my feelings were even more hurt when someone said that they need to get MW or Brightman out to lead. qq 
EDIT: Bah and I just found out it was a Brehon named Pkhan who kicked me from the cg .
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ill pay your 15 bucks a month if you play the way i tell you
email me at adam4784@msn.com.
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ill pay your 15 bucks a month if you play the way i tell you
email me at adam4784@msn.com.
Deal.
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"I was shocked when I was actually booted from a frontier CG"
Don't feel bad Cyce. I got a severe talking to once when I spammed /as trying to get hibs out to defend Crim. Two days later we lost our power relics. This was over a year ago. A lot has changed since then in Hibernian alliances, and things are much better now. I have been very happy with the Zerg This alliance. I do wish guilds like TNO and Free Rps were in it though.
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Second most annoying thing in this game (loot being the first of course) are ego's
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Mist I doubt many of the Enigma /as guilds would join that allience. If you check out who is in that allience it's most of the Hib 8v8 guilds and I'm pretty sure that's by design. I remember KoS loving thier own little allience way back because it worked the same way.
It is probably the best /as chat I've even seen in this game as it's all joking and absolutly no bull goes on in it. You can actually find a group in there for RvR because there is some great respect among those guys.
Swearing and Tf jokes are encouraged and loved by all. Very little spam also.
Edit: cause I can't spell
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We were in Zerg This but DoC & some other PvE guru's weren't happy w/ how we did things so we didn't wanna make waves and left.
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"loot being the first of course"
Hehe, so true Deed. I love how when I run a ml1 raid, everyone is bitching and arguing over the rog loot, and when I run a ml9 raid, I can hardly give away the mp loot.
"it's all joking and absolutly no bull goes on in it"
Yeah, that's the one thing I don't like about Zerg This, everyone is so uptight about jokes. Wish they would lighten up a bit. But it's great for communication and realm defense, and that is why I miss having TNO, Free Rps, Enigma, etc. in it.
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"And as for as legion raids..."
No one would talk about that if you didn't bring it up every time someone questioned you. 'I've lead 16 legion raids x dragon raids y relic raids' blah blah blah.
Honestly, we don't care.
" let me explain something to the l33t emain pharmers whos sole purpose is to be the next Phos and make daoc into a fps by simply pharming rps. People play this game for different reasons.. one of those is to have FUN. Some people have fun on legion raids... others like myself like keep taking (no rps earned in keep taking 75% of the time). "
Oh and the thing about going out and 8v8 not being fun for you, that is all well and good. But your hatred of people who actually know how to play their class is quite astounding. Your insults at people because they want even fights is childish. I make no appologies for wanting to be challenged in this game. 8v8 RvR is a challenge. Why? because it is about even numbers overcoming obsticles and learning from your mistakes. In keep retakes, The only thing I've ever seen you learn is bring more albs.
Have fun playing the game the way you want to. Just don't insult me for looking for a different challenge than running with 60 albs (35 of which don't even know where hadrian's wall is) to retake beno.
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My favorite part was Gheris' RP themed, all capped, misspelled /as spams
I always enjoyed those very entertaining.
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i haven't been in an alliance in a year, and i'm happier than ever
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Get the hell off of Gheris. The man leads, and he does a damned good job of it (even if his spelling does slip up a bit!). If you have suggestions for improvement, then by all means, throw them down... But don't just flame him for trying to help out the realm.
He is hardly what broke the alliance.
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^^ first post today that gave me a good laugh. thanks
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"Yea i left for like a month, and came back for my guild."
This is my favorite- I can see him at home all distracted and emoionally troubled.
I don't really know the guy, so I have no real say in the matter. But by all means continue, this is funny shiyte
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"EDIT: Bah and I just found out it was a Brehon named Pkhan who kicked me from the cg "
you are now his bitch forever cyce.
"I run a ml9 raid, I can hardly give away the mp loot."
i'll take it
"that is why I miss having TNO, Free Rps, Enigma, etc. in it. "
OMG WHERE IS THE IHYG LOVE?? j/k <3 mw
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So now we are a divided realm. How does this make us stronger?
Smaller ML raids, less coordinated realm defense.
Our GM's failed us on this one...
Would first like to point out, that in no way did AWC make up all of Albion. There are many other guilds/alliance out there that were not in AWC.
Secondly. Shut up you jerks. I've seen all of a handleful of people even WILLING to step up to the plate and attempt to bring albions to ANY symblance of Unity. Gheris happens to be the most outspoken one of that handfull. And as for the other few, I do seem to recall during the GM meeting of all the guilds in the realm, EVERYONE agreeing to follow his overall commands in realm defense, and those of the few people he chose in case he wasn't online. Not one O..N..E.. of the GMs spoke out against it. So if they did have issues with it, they should have said something right then and there. And if you have issues with Gheris doing such, guess what your gms placed him in that postion. You don't like it, leave your guilds then. that's part of your GM's job, to make decisions for your guild.
Also during that meeting, those few people he chose, AGREED to drop everything when our realm came under attack, and go to the defense. So if there is ANY blam to be brought out around THAT issue, it is not Gheris' alone. One person can't be on 24/7, and that's one of the reasons why those people were chosen.
I know I'm going to get flamed for all of this, because people hate being wrong and won't even accept the possiblity. But sorry folks, you all sound like a bunch of 10 year olds jumping on the make fun of someone bandwagon. Try thinking for yourselves once in awhile, and maybe you might garner a little real respect in life from others.
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"Get the hell off of Gheris. The man leads, and he does a damned good job of it "
yeah, getting 100 mindless albs to af you while you go around and take every hib keep, and break down the relic doors, all because hibs tried to take your relics with 60 people. if thats what you mean by good leading, then yeah, he's awesome.
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<3 Tharf.
Well said, bro. It's funny watching the haters crawl out of the woodwork to take shots at the guy who I've seen do the most work to pull our f'd up realm together.
Those who have this wonderful idea that they're so much better. So, to the Gheris-haters, I ask... where's our relics, then, guys? After all, you think you're so much better, you and your gank guilds should have no problem pulling a TNO, right? I mean, it's your uber-guild vs. the less populated hibs/mids. It should be a cakewalk for you!
At least Cyce has good cause to chestbeat. I don't think I've seen anyone else here who does.
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I killed an elfy once, and he was worth 3 rps...
take that.
and that.
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"yeah, getting 100 mindless albs to af you while you go around and take every hib keep, and break down the relic doors, all because hibs tried to take your relics with 60 people. if thats what you mean by good leading, then yeah, he's awesome."
You're signature would indicate that you're a Hib... Thus giving you no frame of reference. But then -- I'm not going to argue with people who haven't been on his raids, because CLEARLY they know better.
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"You're signature would indicate that you're a Hib... Thus giving you no frame of reference. But then -- I'm not going to argue with people who haven't been on his raids, because CLEARLY they know better"
what are you talking about?? i was on skeltahs raid, he even asked me if i could work a ram or a treb a few days before it happened. we had maybe 60 hibs total, and about 30 trebs hitting d3. a minstrel and necro came by the RK or logged in there, and within 5-10 minutes, over 100 albs showed up and the game became a slideshow, with all of the hibs getting whiped. most of our people then logged out of frustration of population imbalance, and gheris proceeded to lead a zerg bigger than anything hib could muster at the time. they took EVERY hib keep, and bashed down EVERY relic door. we had NO relics. his excuse was that he was "teaching us a lesson, to not mess with albs relics". this was before most of the current rvr active guilds had even rolled here (IE: HHH, enigma, tno, before free rps even)
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hi i used to be an alb but i'm a hib now. i've been on Gheris raids. it is about 100 mindless albs most of the time. it's like he stole a page (actually, the ONLY page) out of Raulstar's "Leading Around Albion" guidebook. by no way am i trying to insult those in Albion who know better.
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i always considered ninjac to be the leader of alb
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"I thought communism was banned in america"
"whoops, MT"
Best evar (said right after they new /as rules were put up where you couldnt talk in them, and we had banter chats going)
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I liked the ways people got around it... Since you couldn't say WTS, people would say things like:
Does anyone know who has the WTB/WTS cg? I really need to sell this Mad Tales 3/3 for 5 plat.
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"i always considered ninjac to be the leader of alb "
I'd follow that man anywhere he went, even to the death.
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Especially to the bathroom though, right ranazor?
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Fo shizzle.
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"Those who have this wonderful idea that they're so much better. So, to the Gheris-haters, I ask... where's our relics, then, guys? After all, you think you're so much better, you and your gank guilds should have no problem pulling a TNO, right? I mean, it's your uber-guild vs. the less populated hibs/mids. It should be a cakewalk for you! "
First off, no. I haven't liked gheris for quite a while, it really hit home when he did his little 'revenge raid' on hib tearing down their doors. you're talking about things as if we wanted relics. I do not, the population imbalance is extreme, and ANYTHING we can do to curb that is worth it in my book. Divide the realm have everyone hate everyone else. These are part of the tools that will help make this game fun again by having people leave.
Gheris and I play for different reasons. His reason is to 'win' mine is to have good competetion. Your opponent cannot be competetive when they are at a 2:1 disadvantage against you.
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Nicely said Tharfawdle
Nothing more nothing less.
Lets move on and do soemthing for all of us instead of bitching at each other.
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I turned /as chat back on today.
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woot, I dont care!
edit: about AWC that is, <3 Ash
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/waves
Almost every single post in this thread gives me the reassurance that selecting "CANCEL ACCOUNT" was such a great idea! I thank you all for reaffirming that!
There's nothing I could add here that would matter any at all.
nothing but love for ya Gher...and for TU.
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"First off, no. I haven't liked gheris for quite a while, it really hit home when he did his little 'revenge raid' on hib tearing down their doors. you're talking about things as if we wanted relics. I do not, the population imbalance is extreme, and ANYTHING we can do to curb that is worth it in my book. Divide the realm have everyone hate everyone else. These are part of the tools that will help make this game fun again by having people leave."
zedd, you are my favorite alb now . you're exactly right. gheris's "tactic" where he ripped every keep of ours up was nothing but being an a**hole. it was a very childish act and caused many hibs to quit this server altogether.
"Your opponent cannot be competetive when they are at a 2:1 disadvantage against you."
when they're mindless and cant even assist, or heal, its not hard to kill them :P . a pug of ours last night farmed a 3g+ zerg about 5 times, including once on bolg being outnumbered 37 to 8. the hardest fight we had all night was a few 8v8s against a pug that included a few members of WZ, darkine, and i duno who else. they beat us once and we beat them once. i think thats the only times we fought.
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Nothing has given me more joy in daoc than telling Ladyrose the command on how to leave alliance today in a long, long time.
No offense to albion ... I just hate big alliances with uptight newbs.
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WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE ALBION WARLEADERS? XIEM, DECATHELETE, GEHRIS!?!? OMFG
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they'll create another alliance for me to turn the chat off of.
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No offense to albion ... I just hate big alliances with uptight newbs.
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"First off, no. I haven't liked gheris for quite a while"
Ah, well, kudos to you! So Gheris hopped on an incited a bunch of "mindless albs" into laying Hibernia to waste for their attempt on their relics? How unreasonable does this really sound to you? In medieval times, if the Saxons had just attempted some kind of sacking of a Norse keep, do you think the Norsemen would have sat back, laughed, and said, "Gee, nice try, guys! Better luck next time!"
Granted, this is a game, but imo, Gheris played it right. For as many times as people sit back in-game and defend their actions by saying, "Well, hey! This is war, right?" I surely here this incident looked back upon as horribly appalling, like Gheris went into Tir na Nog and slaughtered baby Lurikeen in their sleep or something.  It's not like I haven't had to dig into my own pocket to try and help repair our own relic doors everytime TNO came by and started knocking on Excal. It's part of the game. Grow up and live with it or go play The Smurfs Online if you're so worried about the salvation of your enemy. I'm sure Gargamel would love you on his side.
"Gheris and I play for different reasons. His reason is to 'win'"
You obviously don't know Gheris at all, do you? The last thing he always says before logging is for people to HAVE FUN. That's what it's all about. If sacking every hib keep and beating down their relicless doors isn't fun for you, like I said, there's plenty of other games for you, like, The Sims Online or Chip N' Dales MMORPG, for example.
"Your opponent cannot be competetive when they are at a 2:1 disadvantage against you."
I think 3vi said this best. You might as well throw fish in a barrel and pass the gun back and forth between the mids/hibs. I'm often appalled by how pathetic my fellow realm-mates are in RvR. It's also why you'll rarely see me in a group and never with the zerg. I figure that, at least when I'm running solo, I know who to blame when I get killed, and I don't feel so bad getting rolled by 8v8 gank groups when I'm solo as opposed to when I'm with 3fg of albs who shouldn't have a problem, but always seem to get wiped by said group.
Anyway, I've about said my peace here. I'll be seeing you out in emain, leeching RP's from your gank group, more than likely.
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"Ah, well, kudos to you! So Gheris hopped on an incited a bunch of "mindless albs" into laying Hibernia to waste for their attempt on their relics? How unreasonable does this really sound to you? In medieval times, if the Saxons had just attempted some kind of sacking of a Norse keep, do you think the Norsemen would have sat back, laughed, and said, "Gee, nice try, guys! Better luck next time!" "
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Ah, well, kudos to you! So Gheris hopped on an incited a bunch of "mindless albs" into laying Hibernia to waste for their attempt on their relics? How unreasonable does this really sound to you? In medieval times, if the Saxons had just attempted some kind of sacking of a Norse keep, do you think the Norsemen would have sat back, laughed, and said, "Gee, nice try, guys! Better luck next time!"
it's a game 
I think 3vi said this best. You might as well throw fish in a barrel and pass the gun back and forth between the mids/hibs. I'm often appalled by how pathetic my fellow realm-mates are in RvR. It's also why you'll rarely see me in a group and never with the zerg. I figure that, at least when I'm running solo, I know who to blame when I get killed, and I don't feel so bad getting rolled by 8v8 gank groups when I'm solo as opposed to when I'm with 3fg of albs who shouldn't have a problem, but always seem to get wiped by said group.
somehow i doubt you're much better
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Its amazing how serious we take a game, isnt it...
Edited: We can discuss on a daily basis the effects of certain aspects of the game until we are blue in the face, but god forbid we entail a parallel.
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>> Granted, this is a game, but imo, Gheris played it right. <<
No, that was a sad, pathetic, and dishonorable thing to do, especially when Hib was so underpopulated.
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You guys need some Tampax around here.
Seriously.
Get your free sample here.
Edit - Made it clicky so you wouldn't have to get that mess all over your keys. 
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The opinion of Gheris within Alb, from what I've seen, has always been split.
Personally, I dont think he's that hot a leader. My respect for him went through the tubes after the BS he pulled "punishing" hib (his word) for DARING to attempt to touch our str relics. That was a real low blow, and I'm proud to say I didnt attend that atrocity. Certainly GHeris has a reasonably high success rate, but that's to be expected with several hundred Albs in tow. The only thing the Alb zerg needs to fear when it's really going is a zone crash.
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Bah I had something longer to say but it's all been said already really.
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All any of this has taught me.. is who my friends are.. and who wish to jump on the bandwagon and spread h8 about someone they dont know.
Thank you Tharf, Soeth, Bert, and as always Ked.
much <3 & respect.
the rest of ya.... Heh i logged in today to my guild chat being all crazy happy (we always have fun together, but it was always just TU joking.. tonight was diff).. and /as being happy. I logged in to my guildies having fun and thanking me for pulling us from AWC. SO hate me all ya want.. say whatever ya want.. ill lose the huge alliance.. the goals i set a loong time ago for a unified realm.. the ideals of a huge alliance that works together.. ill lose the people i thought were my friends... and sit at 340k rps forever.. i got a happy guild and thats all i care about. In the end its not a matter of me knowing who my friends are.. its a matter of me standing with my guild and having fun. And if people outside of TU show there colors and still choose to be my friend.. kewl.. the rest of you.. i have no desire to waste another minute of my time to type a damn thing to any of you.
Peace out
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this is a terrible loss to all of albion
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You may not agree with Gheris's tactics.
You may not agree with Gheris's strategy.
You may not do the same thing a certain leader does at one point.
But the only ones who earn the right to speak up, are those who have been there leading. It is very easy to kick back and criticize. Step up, lead, then discuss "leadership strategies".
Fact of the matter is, in every run/raid Gheris has ever done, he always gave the credit to everyone who attended, for the greater good of Albion, and did not chest beat and praised himself to high heaven (like what we saw happening last time relics on Lancelot changed hands, nice accomplishment notwithstanding).
Bashing every keep in Hib ? Right decision ? Wrong decision ? It's a done deal. Dead, buried, the doors are fixed now. Move on.
Giving Mid 2 relics after taking them from Hibernia ? Was also a decision a leader made which got criticized to hell and back. And Hibs in turn pulled the exact same strategy later (in the general sense of the word, since Cyce & Co weren't around then personally). Again, this was also strategy, a call made by a leader. And it was the right one to do strategically. I'm still amused at how the two faced people among us still tried to "protect" the Hib move while still trying to fault the Alb one.
Both actions were justified, on the strategy level.
Point is, LEADERS make decisions. Others whine.
Laugh at Legion loot all you want... Before SCing, player made gear and all the leet items we have access to now (inc nerf), people were jumping up and down over Legion loot.
Tharf is 100% correct in his post.
You may like him, you may hate him. Gheris IS a leader.
The definition of a leader boils down, eventually, to who the rest of the people follow, and who people listen to when he or she speaks. Title is irrelevant.
And the fact that you agree or disagree to some of the stuff he did - does not make him any less a leader.
The only people who do not make mistakes, are those who do not make decisions.
Flame on.
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Well said Chanst. When I was playing Lancelot I found Gheris to be an OK guy, and people followed him. So I GUESS he did something right, no?
Yes people may have different ideas on how to play this game and those will not always work well together. Fact of the matter is he is roleplaying, instead of going for "HEADSHOT!", "KILLINGSPREE!!!" or "QUADDAMAGE!", in other words play this game as a FPS like UT, Q or CS.
I'm sure he has his faults and I'm sure he made mistakes, but then don't we all. Also I'm very sure he's proud of what he has achieved; unisoning the Albs where 95% of Albs are clueless sheep. So that in itself is an achievement and something to be proud of, I'd be...
How and if he has changed since I've played here I can't nor won't comment on, because I have no first hand knowledge on it. Fact of the matter is it's mighty convenient and easy to stay in the back shouting vulgarities to the ones who are trying to get something done.
Bah
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Yes people may have different ideas on how to play this game and those will not always work well together. Fact of the matter is he is roleplaying, instead of going for "HEADSHOT!", "KILLINGSPREE!!!" or "QUADDAMAGE!", in other words play this game as a FPS like UT, Q or CS.
you know there are servers that are specifically made for that type of thing, right?
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Last time I checked DAoC was a MMORPG...
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you know there are servers that are specifically made for that sort of thing, right?
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This game isn't only for the RP hungry, who's righthand starts to tremble while unzipping his pants every time he looks at his RPcount. It's a RPG, hence why you have to level, do quests, communicate and interact with eachother. It's not CS where a level is over within 5 seconds.
Guess you bought the wrong game then eh?
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Where in the TOS does it say that I have to play like that?
Where in the TOS does it say that you're not allowed to be competitive on a strictly player vs player level?
If I wanted what you listed above, I would be playing EQ. That's not what I want. I want to pvp, I want to rip through and cut down you and your zergling buddies over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.
Do you understand that?
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So, I have to allow YOU to play this R P G as a FPS, but vice versa you bash others for playing this R P G as it was meant...
Ofc I understand what you mean, but that doesn't give you the right to dismiss other people way of playing the game.
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So, I have to allow YOU to play this R P G as a FPS, but vice versa you bash others for playing this R P G as it was meant...
No. I don't play this as a FPS. I pvp in a mmorpg. Is that so hard for you to understand?
My initial point was that if he wants to roleplay, he should go to a roleplaying server like Guinevere, Percival, or Nimue.
Got it yet?
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His roleplaying consists of defending his realm, attacking enemy keeps, organising raids and in general see the enemy as THE ENEMY, instead of "a friend's account who you have access to and play once in a while".
Still within the borders of the 'normal' servers. The second he starts to use words like "thou", "whilst" and "m'lady" I'll say banish him to the RPG servers
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This is not war, this is not stratagy, this is not Ghengis Khan in Asia(..this is a GAME. This game is all about having fun in.. )(emain I guess).
I've been around for a while and I know how many people we lost because of Gheris's stunt he pulled that night. Hibs somehow gathered 60 people to attack a relic keep, failed and he took 250+ to destroy the hope YOU had for people to play with.
They left, no big deal you say. They won. I stand in Emain and do nothing. I lost a ton of friends that day that won't be back and still you defend his actions.
I want to remind you. I AM YOUR ENTERTAINMENT. If no hibs or mids are here you stand there with your thumb up your ass. You drive enough enough of us away you will be stuck with freerps and LA only to fight against.
Gheris is the person that made the poeple leave. He is the one that makes you stand there fighting 1g hibs and 1g mids because he doesn't understand that this is just a game,,,,,,a game..remember that.
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So youre saying that many ppl left because of one person?
Not the because the game had become stale, or because the server imbalance was to big or because they had RL issues but rather said it's from problems within the game (kinda like closing or selling your acc but whining on VN about how your account got 'hacked' and "ah well, cya all guys, not gonna play anymore' because it's the l337 way out) or because of the 250 peeps (as you said) that DID that raid?
One person? Don't make me laugh.
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"So youre saying that many ppl left because of one person? "
Yes, after that Hib was a ghostown. That single stunt caused 1/3 of my guild to quit that day. A couple have come back but I would say 25 people quit and never came back.
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Perhaps, but that can't be all down to one person. Like I said there's many more factors and 250 (if what you said is true) MORE players contributing.
I understand that kicking someone while he's down isn't the right thing to do, I was an advocate of the whole "lets give middies those relics' thing back then when that happened.
I stated earlier "I'm sure he has made mistakes" and this might be one of them. Still pointing fingers to just ONE person is a bit over the top IMO.
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err.. You did read the package BEFORE you bought the game, right? You DO know what realm vs realm means, right? Not "war" or "stratagy" my butt.
Normal servers consist of ALL the servers, minus coop. So bashing someone for some roleplaying on them, is stupid in the extreme. Bashing folks for rvr is extremely stupid. Bashing folks for playing the game how they want to play it, is extremely stupid. People play for different reasons, just let them play and keep your nose out of it. If folks can't handle it, then I suggest you stop playing on normal servers, and go to those that focus on one aspect of them, and leave the rest of us who like varity alone.
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That's another great way to put it
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<<Bashing folks for playing the game how they want to play it, is extremely stupid.>>
This phrase really stuck out, as I distinctly remember you referring to duelers as the "lowest form of player"
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Well I'll point the finger where it is deserved...and we know where that is for that day.
I couldnt give a crap as all I got was more hate for albs. Albs are an infestation on all servers because of the toys you get. You get the best of everything and you get the worst players. The pathetic offspring of the Alb zerg is just more idiots and I do appreciate the RPS.
But as you are Ice Dragons, I laugh at you. And no I don't have to tell you why. Even your peers can tell you why.
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Give me a break Malyv, Gheris didn't roleplay anymore then Garvey ever did. He played the game as it was meant to on EVERY level. He punished his enemies, he led massive raids on his enemies (gee go figure he involved the realm in the realm vs realm warfare) And yes he even rp'd a little.
To you and many others the game is nothing more then Planetside done differently. Well its an mmoRPG for a reason, the ability and opportunity to RP on ANY SERVER is there for those who wish to partake in it. Nimue, MLF, and Guin are simply the RP ENFORCED servers. That does not mean that the other servers are to be void of RP, it just means that your idoitic names and complete lack of knowledge of what the word RP will just get you laughed at rather then an account warning.
I see so many people bash Gheris day in and day out its a joke. Every single one of them would have done the exact same things given the chance and opportunity. And to those who cry foul about Gheris's "punishment". Cry me a river because that's how the game is to be played. Just because the hibs proved to be crybabies as usual and quit doesn't mean Gheris did a damn thing wrong. You people seem to have forgotten what this game is all about, I suggest you go reread the manual and learn.
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hehe they are. But for different reasons. They're usually the people who complain about not having df, or not having the relics, ect ect, and don't lift a single fingure to keep them or assist in getting them. Even when they're in Hadrians not 2 minutes form beno, been told it's under attack, and literally say "who cares" to the people who let them know. Instead they would rather waiste all their time dueling. It ruins their weapons, their armor, and their jewl items. And guess who they come crawling to when they need new ones/repairs? yup those that actually work for the realm, for df, for everything THEY want. They do nothing but leech off the efforts of everybody else in the game. So yes, they are the lowest form of players.
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"Gheris didn't roleplay anymore then Garvey ever did. He played the game as it was meant to on EVERY level. He punished his enemies, he led massive raids on his enemies "
Garvey punished what...ToA mobs?, I don't get it. I could get a group right now and take 4 mid keeps and see NOBODY.
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Give me a break Malyv, Gheris didn't roleplay anymore then Garvey ever did. He played the game as it was meant to on EVERY level. He punished his enemies, he led massive raids on his enemies (gee go figure he involved the realm in the realm vs realm warfare) And yes he even rp'd a little.
That's not what I heard. And no, he didn't play it as it was meant on every level, he's a zergling idiot, he plays on easy mode, he has consistently outnumbered his opponents with 3:1 odds or greater.. forever? I bet he'll be hard pressed to think of any time where he succeeded in leading a raid where the odds were against him.
To you and many others the game is nothing more then Planetside done differently. Well its an mmoRPG for a reason, the ability and opportunity to RP on ANY SERVER is there for those who wish to partake in it. Nimue, MLF, and Guin are simply the RP ENFORCED servers. That does not mean that the other servers are to be void of RP, it just means that your idoitic names and complete lack of knowledge of what the word RP will just get you laughed at rather then an account warning.
Not quite sure what you're trying to say here. DAoC has pvp too believe it or not. Some people play it for that element. Also, I don't care that he's roleplaying, I just think a roleplay server would probably be a better place for him seeing as he has this crazy idea that this is a "war" and he's leading his people to victory or some messed up crap like that.
I see so many people bash Gheris day in and day out its a joke. Every single one of them would have done the exact same things given the chance and opportunity. And to those who cry foul about Gheris's "punishment". Cry me a river because that's how the game is to be played. Just because the hibs proved to be crybabies as usual and quit doesn't mean Gheris did a damn thing wrong. You people seem to have forgotten what this game is all about, I suggest you go reread the manual and learn.
No, I'm sorry, the game is not meant to be played as some kind of grief tool. What he did caused alot of people to quit. What he did was detrimental to the server overall. That's not how you play the game. Ruining other people's fun, making them flat out quit or move to another server is NOT winning, and i'm very sorry that you think that.
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Sadly the more people you have on a server and in alliances the more problems will create ...
Drama bitching not sharing etc and will lead to separating
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hehe Hoob, if hibs thought that way against 250 people, imagine how albs feel when just 12 can accomplish the exact same thing against them? Lets compair again for you.. 250 needed to take out all that, vs 12 needed to take out all that.. hmm do hibs really need the numbers?
Toys? What toys? Takes half again the amount if albions to get all the toys one group of hibs or mids can bring to the field. If your talking about RAs, they're so easy to get around it's rediculace. We can't help it if you can't figure out how, even though it's been metioned a dozen times over on these very boards.
err.. But as you are Ice Dragons, I laugh at you..
You do realize that since you started your usless hate monering, no ID has even posted here? Maybe you should drink a little less, it might actually let you see straight for once.
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Here Tharf goes with blaming overpowerdness instead of his own lazy realm.
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"""hehe Hoob, if hibs thought that way against 250 people, imagine how albs feel when just 12 can accomplish the exact same thing against them? Lets compair again for you.. 250 needed to take out all that, vs 12 needed to take out all that.. hmm do hibs really need the numbers? """"
And thats why I love grouping with tno on Narcolpez, they do crap that nobody else can. They control keeps and throw a buff or 2 out there knowing when it drops. They can go mid or alb and keep taking keeps with poeple coming out and they just beat em back. They can as 1-2g's over a period of time do more damage than 200 albs could ever do. I used to hate em, now I respect and love what they do.
I AIM seiber and beg for groups now. And I'll tell you it's a hell of a lot more fun than I ever had with Freerps.
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Maluv is right on the money with his assessment and I agree with him.
I think I need to go lie down.
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>>No, I'm sorry, the game is not meant to be played as some kind of grief tool.<<
Again Pot, Kettle, black. LA has never been anything but a griefing guild, you expect me to show you sympathy because you got "griefed" back. Your a joke.
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Here Tharf goes with blaming overpowerdness instead of his own lazy realm.
If the shoe fits, Freak...
Unfortunatly the shoe fits on both ides of that one, and I think I've pointed that out many times. Obviously you've chosen to miss or ignore all the posts I've made about what I feel Albions need to stop doing, and start doing, just so you can continue useless flamming.
No doubt TNO are a bunch of good players, they have to be to pull that off. But you can still get the same qalibur(sp?) of players together, though they are rarer, in Albion same amount, and still they wouldn't be able to do anything near what TNO could. Cause, once again, it take many more albs to bring to the field what both mids and hibs can in the way of class abilities. The downside to that, is less players able to get groups in mid or hib because the groups already have those abilities in spades in the group. At least I would think so. Granted backups never hurt.
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<<< You do realize that since you started your usless hate monering, no ID has even posted here? >>>
Erm, wrong.
Regardless, ID's not one to be bashed, this time around. They were explicitly forbidden from ye olde Royal CG of the Almighty Purple-Arsed Warlord of Albion, from what I understand. ID was kicking around the idea of leaving the alliance sometime back - without taking TU with them, mind you. But hey, Gheris showed them and beat 'em to the punch when he started feeling the negative vibes...
<<< People play for different reasons, just let them play and keep your nose out of it.>>>
By the way, Tharf - I'm all about defending, and you know that, but how can you sit there and tell everyone to play the game how they wanna play it and then turn right around and criticize the same people for dueling or sitting on the pad to join the Emain zerg? Just found that rather odd.
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Again Pot, Kettle, black. LA has never been anything but a griefing guild, you expect me to show you sympathy because you got "griefed" back. Your a joke.
I didn't get griefed back. I'm not a hib. And we are not a grief guild, we are a pvp guild, meaning we pvp alot, and are probably pretty good at it. We don't pride ourselves on ruining other people's fun in daoc, making them quit, move servers, or anything of that sort.
No doubt TNO are a bunch of good players, they have to be to pull that off. But you can still get the same qalibur(sp?) of players together, though they are rarer, in Albion same amount, and still they wouldn't be able to do anything near what TNO could. Cause, once again, it take many more albs to bring to the field what both mids and hibs can in the way of class abilities. The downside to that, is less players able to get groups in mid or hib because the groups already have those abilities in spades in the group. At least I would think so. Granted backups never hurt.
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i thought it was an Ok alliance, but it got to the point where 9 out 10 things you wanted to say/ask in /as weren't allowed, and if you did say it you got about 10 PM's from alliance nazi's telling you off. was just UGLY.
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About which part Mal? Cause we've seen people post on these very boards about what it take, class wise, from each realm to bring the same abilities. And every single time Albions have had to have many more people for it than either hib or mid.
Or is it the part that Albion can find the same calibur of players? Or the part about how they couldn't pull off the same things TNO has? Please clarify cause we've proven over and over and over and over and over and over again that what I said is in fact the truth.
When how a person plays affects their own realm, it's problem and needs adressing. hence the lazy leeching duelists. They not only leech off their realmates, they also cause lag in heavy trafficed areas, making it diffecult and for some impossible to play the game. I at least have made suggestions on how they can go do their own thing, and leave the rest of us capable of playing without them interferring.
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I swear, I keep coming back to VN to read posts like Tharf's. I LMFAO at them. You can't pay for comedy this good.
Taking 12 or 16 peeps to gank a relic is a challenge. Taking 250 albs to lay waste to the Hib frontier after people logged is about as cheap as it gets. It's kind of like fishing with one of those bunker buster bombs. Woot! I just killed a thousand fish. Go me!
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Well, I can't even remember what this thread was about it's been dragged so far off-topic... But I'm pretty sure the topic doesn't read "Relic raid that happened months ago".
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When 16 Hibs can take all the Alb keeps, take Excal AND hold it between the Hib relic making it's way to Dun Lamfhota, then bug off with the remaining 2 strength relics, and Albion needs 200 people to accomplish the same thing, you'll forgive me if I dont feel too sorry for the hibs. Albs didnt bother to come help defend their frontier that night. Mids and Hibs show up in force to defend their RKs when they get hit. So yes, against 100 defenders at a RK, you NEED 200 attackers, especially when the terrain has you fighting an uphill battle, something you do not need to do, say, when attacking Myrd.
I played Mid for a while on MLF, needed a break from Zergalot, erm Lancellot. And let me tell you, I'd trade my cleric's BOF for my healer's instant stun any day. Funny thing is, Mids there also complained about alb SOS and BoF. Hibs have their group purge, which is one of the best "toys", to use your term, around. Each realm has its own little toys. If my sorcerer had the same options with his pet, as, say, my spiritmaster on MLF has (pet intercepts hits for example), or if the only aoe insta stun available to Albion didnt reside high on the cleric spec smite line... It's harder to build a balanced group on Albion, compared to Hib or Mid, with the way the different skills and abilities are spread in Albion, no news there.
Also, it is much easier to get your RP count grow and your RR rise when you are in the underdog realm. A balanced group of skilled or FOTM or "built to win" players will usually just farm a zerg of low RR PUGs(shall we say one group of LA farming 3+ PUGs of Albs for the sake of argument) And we can all agree that a group of RR 7 will knock the heck out of a group of RR 3-4 any day. Because Albion population is so big, the RPs are spread very thin in most cases, compared to Hib and Mid. Zerg mentality in Alb will guarantee better individual RPs for the ones that do not zerg. Or the ones that kill the zerg.
That's the other side of the coin you conveniently ignore.
Albion zerg broke your doors once. TNO broke the doors of most if not all of Albion keeps for every night for a while, and ended their night's fun after farming the few PUGs that are still awake and that try to take them on by beating on Excal.
Remember the first night TNO busted 2 doors in Excal and got stopped on door 3, and afterwards said "we didnt want the relics, we just opened the doors for the Mids hoping they'd come get them", or something to that effect... Mind telling me how THAT is different from Albs breaking down Hib RK doors ? If you want to take the relics, fine. If you want to just make the other realm pay for new doors, with all due respect, there is NOTHING different between that raid the Hibs whine about to this day, and what present day Hibs did not so long ago. And no, I'm not talking about the night they TOOK the relics. So again, we have the famous double standard rear its ugly head.
As for Hibs quitting, let me tell you that my will to start my playing day (timezone is EST + 7) by retaking 4-5 keeps isn't my idea of fun. But try as I might, I can't seem to convince enough Albs to go and RvR in Hadrian's Wall instead of emain. Stopping Hibs there = RPs AND no need to retake keeps is a hard concept for me to explain apparently. But I did not whine constantly about it, nor did I quit the game as a result. Right now? Enjoy all the keeps for all I care, it's kinda nice knowing we do not have to rush to Excal. There is a downside. People get tired of getting farmed when they run 1 group vs 3 groups attacking the alb keeps nightly, especially when those groups always seem to be able to find your 1 group whereever you are. The result is, the 3 groups dont get anyone to play with on OUR end after a while. Sort of like YOUR argument from the Hib side. Perhaps some Albs took Cyce at his word "we dont want the strength relics" ?
If indeed AWC made a decision not to bother defending the relics at all, it's unfortunate. But the night the hibs got the relics, Gheris WAS out there leading a force of Albs, till he had to hit the sack. Excal was hit later.
Hibs deserved the relics that night, both because of the very well gameplay employed by TNO that night and because majority of Albs (of those that were online) couldnt be bothered to come and defend. With zero uber guards at the RK, 3-5 Albs at excal defending against 2 groups of attackers, and the albs rushing to defend excal moving off in 1-3s only to get killed there, the result was obvious.
I did a /who 50 when the relic keep was hit, we had 102 level 50s online.
Oh yes, I havent been in Ice Dragons or in AWC since late October 2003. So the Ice Dragons hate argument, which is in itself uncalled for, can hardly apply to my post.
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Gheris is a leader. His only real skill is getting a lot of people together for raids. Once they are together and following him, he has no clue at all what to do with them. Don't get me wrong, Gheris is a leader, he just happens to be a terrible one.
I didn't speak up before because he was the awc alliance. I wanted to keep that together, so I kept my thoughts to myself. Since he is gone I no longer care. Normally I still would keep my mouth shut, but then he had to accuse my guild of stealing his guilds members. ROFL, how conceited are you to think we would steal your members.
Oh Illuminati, Gheris has changed a lot since you were here. I liked him way back when too. Then his head grew 3 sizes and he started leading zerg2win no skill raids. Anyway, good luck with your new alliance Gheris, may you zerg your way to victory 'FOR TEH GLORY OF ABLION'
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"When 16 Hibs can take all the Alb keeps, take Excal AND hold it between the Hib relic making it's way to Dun Lamfhota, then bug off with the remaining 2 strength relics, and Albion needs 200 people to accomplish the same thing, you'll forgive me if I dont feel too sorry for the hibs. Albs didnt bother to come help defend their frontier that night. Mids and Hibs show up in force to defend their RKs when they get hit. So yes, against 100 defenders at a RK, you NEED 200 attackers, especially when the terrain has you fighting an uphill battle, something you do not need to do, say, when attacking Myrd."
first off shame on you for complaining about 16 hibs taking a relic- thats abls fault not hibs lol. secondly your comparing two very different times in lancelot history and with how up and down hib is it just dosnt work to well. and lastly you NEED 200 albs to take all hib keeps and break doors at the relic keeps when hibs had no relics? /boggle
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Deedlytt - Wasn't complaining, was stating a fact lol.
I posted enough complimenting Hibs for their gameplay on the night you guys got the relics, as well as a PM complimenting Cyce personally. I give credit where credit is due.
The comparison was between one of the first times TNO hit Excal. If you are NOT going to take the relics, I fail to see the difference between hitting an empty relic keep and hitting an "occupied" relic keep with the intention of just busting the doors.
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I've been spending my last few weeks running on Pally speed to the Hib RK doors, sprinting up and getting in two slams, then rinsing and repeating. You know you have to pay for that.
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Erm, I said
"So yes, against 100 defenders at a RK, you NEED 200 attackers, especially when the terrain has you fighting an uphill battle, something you do not need to do, say, when attacking Myrd."
To clarify, if a relic keep has 100 defenders, I doubt it is empty.
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"The comparison was between one of the first times TNO hit Excal. If you are NOT going to take the relics, I fail to see the difference between hitting an empty relic keep and hitting an "occupied" relic keep with the intention of just busting the doors"
ok here's the differnce- TNO said they were hoping mids would come in and take the relics- why? because mid was hurting- with population the way it is on lancelot, to have one realm dissappear and not rvr because it isnt fun for them cuts down on everyones fun. I personally love it when mids are active and quick to defend, makes it fun to take their keeps and i feel like i have more rvr options. Hate to beat on a realm when they are down. there are always tons of albs so no biggie.
truth is albs could have defended against that on that night. On the night when all hib keeps were dropped hibs could barely scrape togather 60 ppl for a RR and when we did we got 200 albs in our frontier, we were already down and hurting and even if every single level 50 in hib had come that was on- there was still nothing we could have done. there was no one in hib to point fingers at or to complain at for not helping- there just wasnt ANYTHING anyone could do
so basic difference is tno was trying to balance things out and make the game fun for everyone and the attack on hib was just ruin the game for a lot of people
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What does this all accomplish once you turn off the little box you call a computer? Do you lay in bed at night thinking of a come-back for the last poster who got under your skin?
Ten years from now, do you think that you will care what someone said on a messege board as you go about your routine? Would you think better of yourself because in your mind your cock strutted the best in the henhouse?
Get over it.
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"Remember the first night TNO busted 2 doors in Excal and got stopped on door 3, and afterwards said "we didnt want the relics, we just opened the doors for the Mids hoping they'd come get them", or something to that effect... Mind telling me how THAT is different from Albs breaking down Hib RK doors ? If you want to take the relics, fine. If you want to just make the other realm pay for new doors, with all due respect, there is NOTHING different between that raid the Hibs whine about to this day, and what present day Hibs did not so long ago. And no, I'm not talking about the night they TOOK the relics. So again, we have the famous double standard rear its ugly head."
^^^^^ there ya go
sry quoted the wrong part of your post
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"What does this all accomplish once you turn off the little box you call a computer? Do you lay in bed at night thinking of a come-back for the last poster who got under your skin?
Ten years from now, do you think that you will care what someone said on a messege board as you go about your routine? Would you think better of yourself because in your mind your cock strutted the best in the henhouse?
Get over it."
i think its more a matter of filling in a few boring moments during the day I personally have to be pretty bored to actually post/discuss anything though lol
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I give this thread +1 for entertainment, I was complaining on IRC that there just wasn't enough hate to make this worth reading.. what a difference a night makes.
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I agree with you Albion could and should have defended that night, I was one of the few that did.
Please note that when we did exactly the same thing to help the Mids and get them to come out and play (I was in the one leading ID in battle on the relic raid that dropped the Mid and the Hib power relics on the MPK at emain) we got nothing but flames from everyone in Hib over doing exactly what TNO has done. My beef isnt with giving Mids the relics. My beef is with "when you do it, you suck, when we do it, it is strategy". Double standard in its best form.
And Im sorry, I dont agree with you. Breaking excal doors HOPING Mids will come is no different.
I didnt bring it up to drag the discussions of whether Gheris's "punish the Hibs" was right or wrong. Nor to comment on TNO's tactis of taking the all Alb keeps and farming Albs.
I saw Gheris - one of the few players that actually tried to unite the realm of Albion, one who made every effort possible to get Albs fight together as one - get smacked as a worthless leader. Well, he isnt that.
He is a leader, he may have made mistakes. You tell me I am bringing something up from the ancient history of Lancelot. Well, the doors of Dagda got repaired and hit again and repaired once more countless of times since that raid. Right decision ? Wrong decision ? He Gheris is one of the people that DO things. And only people that DO things have a chance to make mistakes. All he did then was do what he thought would make Albion stronger. With NO leaders, you guys wouldnt have Albs to farm, coz no one would go out there.
Your nightly bashing of every keep in Alb, when Albion has no relics whatsoever, may well accomplish the same thing Gannd mentioned happened in Hib at the time. Yet I don't see you telling people to take keeps in Hib or Mid, coz that is where the relics are nowadays... Albs couldnt care less about keeps now, unless it is for DF.
Just apply the same standards to everything, even when it isn't convenient.
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That is a pretty low assessment Deesh.
I gave it atleast 3.5 stars so far.
Although, the Linbergh post is gaining in stature
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Irony:
1)Playing a Massively Multi Online ROLE PLAYING Game and telling the people who ROLE PLAY to go to another server.
2)Blaming 1 man for bashing the doors when 250 did it. For those of you who are not familiar with alb chats in relic defense (ie Hibs and Mids), I have yet to be in one where most of the cg is not spamming for "teaching a lesson" after defending. Hell, when we retake a keep, many of the albs spam to "teach a lesson" to the realm we retook the keep from. [edit: The majority might not want to teach a lesson, but the majority of the ones that actually speak up do. The rest remain silent]
3) If one event one evening caused someone to quit the realm or the server, that person should not play games at all since someone has to lose. Isn't it really just the straw that broke the camel's back. There was probably a bunch of frustration leading up to it.
4) People knock Gheris' leading ability, but I have never seen anyone else lead an alb relic raid. Does it happen?
I have disagreed with strategy used during some raids, but I have never voiced the dissent because I really don't want to lead a huge raid in Albion. We have way too many @$$holes to try to keep order.
Could I do better? Maybe. Would anybody listen. Yeah, right. We are albs after all.
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population differnces make the standards different imo- cant get around it just like there isnt much anyone can do about population. albs could lose half their population and still be ok. I prefer to look at the over all big picture on what makes this game fun for the most amount of people /shrug.
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"Isn't it really just the straw that broke the camel's back. There was probably a bunch of frustration leading up to it."
completely agree with this
and yes many hib cg's have also degraded into ppl wanting to "teach a lesson to alb like they did to us" - this is quickly taken care of though and those one or 2 ppl wanting to do this are tar and feathered
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2)Blaming 1 man for bashing the doors when 250 did it. For those of you who are not familiar with alb chats in relic defense (ie Hibs and Mids), I have yet to be in one where most of the cg is not spamming for "teaching a lesson" after defending. Hell, when we retake a keep, many of the albs spam to "teach a lesson" to the realm we retook the keep from. [edit: The majority might not want to teach a lesson, but the majority of the ones that actually speak up do. The rest remain silent]
This is very true, good point
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I didn't say it was a blockbuster.. but it is now worth reading.. well all but that one chansterfan post.. It's so long I cant be bothered.. I just skim along and look for things like STFU, WTFPWNT etc.. or quote marks cause usually that means someone did the work of reading for me and I can just read the good parts.
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<<Your nightly bashing of every keep in Alb, when Albion has no relics whatsoever, may well accomplish the same thing Gannd mentioned happened in Hib at the time.>>
Chansterfan, in the long run, don't you think that would be a good thing? If a lot of the front running Albs left and Alb was left with a smaller, more realm-centric core of people, wouldn't it be better for everyone?
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"albs could lose half their population and still be ok"
Not so sure about this. If it happened, the albs would actually have to learn how to play their characters. I can't seem to learn to play my sorc in emain. I get a group. We roll out, I ask who is MA twice and get ignored. We get rolled with me being the first to die. No rps. Half the group bails. We reform and the same thing happens. I went out the first 4 times (3 of them didnt make it to AMG thanks to LA) and each time, we had a different makeup. I got 4000 rps yesterday and about 4 were in emain. If not for the group volleying CS, DrSpock, and the XP group near HPK in Hadrians, I wouldn't have gotten a damn thing.
People don't realize how much the zerg hurts albion. Not just rp-wise, it turns us into sheep.
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Okay, so one group of RR8 kicking 3 groups of low RR players is okay, depending on whether it is a hib or a mid high RR group ganking alb low RR groups, or if it one group of high RR albs kicking butts out of 3 groups of low RR hib / mid groups ?
Coz that is where the "solely" defending your argument on Albions numeric advantage lead. Having less people does not make cheesy tactics smell any better when YOU do them. Especially in a game where just how high your RR and now ML abilities and artifacts (those that havent been nerfed to bits) plays an important part of the outcome of the fight. A zerg meeting and rushing into one group with 3 aoeérs will be cut in no time It isnt always about the numbers.
Hib and Mid have other advantages playing for them.
I cant really speak for Hib classes from personal experience with a Hib toon, I think my level 3 or 4 Hibbie on I forgot which server is still lost in TNN somewhere. But I did play Mid for a bit to see what those toons are capable of. And the answer to that is, a hell of a lot. And I've been on the receiving end of good Hib players, and those are anything but gimped. Each realm has its advantages, and its disadvantages.
EDIT: Grammar, sigh.
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Mel, I agree with you. However, what might happen then could be that the tables will be reversed, with another problem. Relatively low RR albs compared to the high RR Hib and Mid groups that already know how to play their toons and know their fellow players. Back to the PUGs vs. Regular groups thing
See Emtee's post right there, that is the sad reality of a lot of Alb groups.
If Mythic gave players the option to move their chars from realm to realm on the same server, say once a year, or once every 6 months, keeping RPs and level intact (of course the class would change)...
Ding 50 on the scout at last btw.
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heh, was browseing through and saw malyv saying someone else was on easy mode. nothing like a good flame thread to bring a little amusement during class
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good grief folks are still venting??!....
Anyway, back on topic... AWC is breaking up...
Nice try on creating an alliance with as many Albs as you could. It lasted longer than I thought it would (just being honest... not intended as a flame) with that many people in one spot.
Large guilds are hard to maintain the comfort level and happiness of everyone. Large alliances are even harder. Y'all gave it a shot and for that I /salute you.
Gheris, ignore the flames, you tried, that's all anyone can do. If people (Albs) thought that Hib raid was such a bad idea, then they shouldn't have attended. (Many of us didn't that night.) If they didn't want to follow you on raids, no one forced them. Not sure what people expect of a leader or a realm warleader or whatever title anyone wants to come up with... all any one individual can do is follow his/her conscience and do the best job they can. It's my belief you did your best. For that I /salute you as well.
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Well, people were venting, having a friendly discussion, and trying to get Deeshay to improve on his reading and comprehension skills, but to no avail on the latter
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Lets take a look at some very important points that the Hib Whiners and Gheris Bashers are missing:
1. Gheris and ID's are constantly being talked about in the same messages as if he is in that guild. He is not.
2. Did Gheris break his ToS by committing a RoC violation by breaking down a few doors? He did not.
3. Gheris isn't God. He makes mistakes like the rest of us. But at least he is risking his own popularity by getting out there and trying, which is what 98% of the players refuse to do.
4. Gheris being the reason that 1/3 of Hib canceled?
ROFLLMAO. Not, I would be more inclined to believe that it was more than likely a small core of Hib leaders pissing off their own realm than 1 Alb leader.
So Basically, according to the game mechanics that Mythic has put in, breaking down a few doors in an enemy players realm is NOT a violation of RoC, nor can it be deemed as a "mistake" and saying right after, i.e; "Oops, I didn't mean to hit that button on my quickbar taking down that door, sorry y'all, oh well, all and good, maybe a bunch of Hibs will quit".
To the Hib Whiners and Gheris Bashers -Yeah right, get some common sense, give us a break, and play this game the way it was meant to be played so we can have fun.
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A.D.D. is such a wonderfull thing.
See chanst if you'd put that... HEY LOOK A CAT!
where was I?
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You are all a bunch of pigs. Everyone got on the Gheris bandwagon when it suited all of you and since its over you stab him in the back. POS's imo. Yeah all you hibs and mids dont know me cause im an ice wiz wtf would I RvR. TNO LMAO you guys are a bunch of children trying to set a trend. I do respect the fact you want the RvR out of emain so you take it to Alb. On the other hand you all spam about why or why not we should or shouldnt take the relics. I for one would have handed them to Mid on a golder platter. Thats what killed AWC, the fact that we "always have" those relics so people become laxed in thier RvR and trying to get Albs out of emain is like trying to wake the dead. CTA this and that, its irrelevant. I'm glad TNO gets off on watching people not wanna fight them. Cause YOU ALL USE ASSIST. When Alb figures this TRICK out you will never win again. Since some of you know me and some of you don't I could care less wtf you say about me. I'll see you out there.
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Chanster, that's why I said "in the long run."
Going back to the earlier days of Hib/Lance, all you really need is 40-60 people who give a crap and try to work together. Once they have some success, other people buy into it. The Albs who would stay, if that were the case, would be the kind of people who could be successful. That's just human nature. The slackers and hangers-on would be the first to leave, most likely. The people who cared would stay.
I think anyone who has been around since '01 would say that the population imbalance has hurt everyone. However, there have been long periods where it has actually helped Hib and Mid as much as there were long periods where it really, really hurt. And that is simply because of numbers. You just have to work better together to survive. It wears on you after awhile, always being the underdog, though.
Anyways, it's an old debate and will continue as long as the servers are running
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You are all a bunch of pigs. Everyone got on the Gheris bandwagon when it suited all of you and since its over you stab him in the back. POS's imo. Yeah all you hibs and mids dont know me cause im an ice wiz wtf would I RvR. TNO LMAO you guys are a bunch of children trying to set a trend. I do respect the fact you want the RvR out of emain so you take it to Alb. On the other hand you all spam about why or why not we should or shouldnt take the relics. I for one would have handed them to Mid on a golder platter. Thats what killed AWC, the fact that we "always have" those relics so people become laxed in thier RvR and trying to get Albs out of emain is like trying to wake the dead. CTA this and that, its irrelevant. I'm glad TNO gets off on watching people not wanna fight them. Cause YOU ALL USE ASSIST. When Alb figures this TRICK out you will never win again. Since some of you know me and some of you don't I could care less wtf you say about me. I'll see you out there.
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"2. Did Gheris break his ToS by committing a RoC violation by breaking down a few doors? He did not."
correct- but like camp stealing and many other things it still kinda sucked
4. Gheris being the reason that 1/3 of Hib canceled?
ROFLLMAO. Not, I would be more inclined to believe that it was more than likely a small core of Hib leaders pissing off their own realm than 1 Alb leader.
the first part of this is somewhat correct- a lot of hibs left at this point because of population issues ruining the game for many were made painfully obvious at this point. the coment made earlier about this incident being the straw that broke the camels back pretty much sums it up. hibs quiting because of hib leaders pissing ppl off? ummm no
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Pallando, bud, some of us have been telling others to get OFF Gheris's case lol.
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"What does this all accomplish once you turn off the little box you call a computer? Do you lay in bed at night thinking of a come-back for the last poster who got under your skin?"
"Ten years from now, do you think that you will care what someone said on a messege board as you go about your routine?"
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i don't think i'd call TNO a bunch of children
or if you wanted to call them children, call them super-intelligent children. because TNO plays really well
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Indeed.
They shoudl make MMORPG 18+ only... jesus... we need more maturity.
Like in life... we don't vote kids to rule a country... so the kids shuts up and listens. Same here, no one wanted to stepped up and now bishing at the man who stepped up.
Now instead of freakign wasting time in this forum... go play and move on. Do something for YOUR realm-MATE.
Wondering if ppl give shit to their Boss when he does a little mistake in his company...
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"You are all a bunch of pigs."
I guess that proves you are what you eat. AFK for lunch, inc mesquite chicken with BACON.
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"2. Did Gheris break his ToS by committing a RoC violation by breaking down a few doors? He did not."
You are completely missing the point. Nobody said anything about ToS. What the albs did that day hurt THEM far more than it hurt hibs. What fun are albs going to have in rvr if they drive all the hibs and mids from this server? Albs shot themselves in the foot with this one, and it just amazes me how many people who talk about "wars" and stuff are so oblivious to that.
I am not going to blaim it all on Gheris, but as the leader of the raid, he has to shoulder a large portion of the responsibility. He could have explained to the albs saying "teach the hibs a lesson" how very bad that would be for the Albion realm. He should have thought of his realm first before his petty desire for revenge. He should have realized that having hibs attempt a relic raid was a GOOD thing for his realm, because it indicated that hibs were possibly on a come back and might rvr more. If you are going to be a leader, you need to really think through the consequences of your actions before you commit to them.
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" They shoudl make MMORPG 18+ only... jesus... we need more maturity. "
Then you couldn't play khall, you big noob.
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Who didn't see this coming?
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"You may like him, you may hate him. Gheris IS a leader.
The definition of a leader boils down, eventually, to who the rest of the people follow, and who people listen to when he or she speaks. Title is irrelevant.
And the fact that you agree or disagree to some of the stuff he did - does not make him any less a leader."
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"Remember the first night TNO busted 2 doors in Excal and got stopped on door 3, and afterwards said "we didnt want the relics, we just opened the doors for the Mids hoping they'd come get them", or something to that effect... Mind telling me how THAT is different from Albs breaking down Hib RK doors ? If you want to take the relics, fine. If you want to just make the other realm pay for new doors, with all due respect, there is NOTHING different between that raid the Hibs whine about to this day, and what present day Hibs did not so long ago. And no, I'm not talking about the night they TOOK the relics. So again, we have the famous double standard rear its ugly head."
Ok gonna take this comment and give you the truth on what we were really trying to do here.
When we first hit excal, it was w/ 3 rams. It was after we were getting bored of the cruddy defense the 90 albs that previously hit Renaris were giving by not coming out to fight. So yes in fact we didn't want to take the str relics at that point. However, shortly after Albs brought 300, yes spam on the RK was 300, to take the powers from us in "retaliation," and to flex their power to make us not do that again. The lamers actually killed the 150 defenders we had w/ their numbers and lag and were able to send 100 to amg w/ their power relic AND hold the RK w/ 2 hundred.
From the night forward our guild decided our next goal would be to take every single relic from the Albs. First we took the powers within 24hours. At that point Mids, ALbs, hell even some hibs were calling us pansies for going for the powers and not the str relics, this only added fuel to the fire.
We figured out how to beat the Alb Str relic defense that everyone on this bored said we couldn't. And began a campaign to do just that. It was basically a two week/200k rp seige. We beat the defenders down so much that they just didn't want to die anymore. Every night and every defeat less and less Albs would come out cause they knew what was in store for them.
And RE: the whole giving relics away and the double standard. There is no double standard, it is two entirely different sets of circumstances. Albs had and HAVE the ability to defend 6 relics. Hibs do not. Albs infact played the role of "big brother" and was basically playing god by deciding which of the two smaller realms got what relics. I made the decision to give the relics out of neccessity. We didn't want Mids with relics, certainly not 3. But if they got Theirs and albs it would put them under the barrel of the Alb legions before it would us. In hindsight it turned out better cause it has boosted Mid pop in rvr and Mid defense.
And I have much <3 for Gheris, I mean the guy is practically responsible for half of my guild's realm dings .
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"I am not going to blaim it all on Gheris, but as the leader of the raid, he has to shoulder a large portion of the responsibility. He could have explained to the albs saying "teach the hibs a lesson" how very bad that would be for the Albion realm. He should have thought of his realm first before his petty desire for revenge. He should have realized that having hibs attempt a relic raid was a GOOD thing for his realm, because it indicated that hibs were possibly on a come back and might rvr more. If you are going to be a leader, you need to really think through the consequences of your actions before you commit to them. "
Gheris' goal is to drive all the mids and hibs away, hence winning. He posted as much on the boards a long time ago. That is where I lost all respect for him. Gheris, every flame you've recieved here is well deserved and then some.
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If that is true (I'd love to see that thread), then we have a nominee for biggest jacka$$ in DAoC ever.
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Gheris' goal is to drive all the mids and hibs away, hence winning. He posted as much on the boards a long time ago. That is where I lost all respect for him. Gheris, every flame you've recieved here is well deserved and then some.
And this would be a bad thing? Granted, I would miss the mids somewhat, but not the hibs. If I wanted to RvR against Disneyland characters, I'd go play Kingdom Hearts or something.
And then I'd be free to PL my toons in all three frontier regions without getting rolled by those highly skilled 8v8 groups!
It's funny what little clue what little clue Zedd really has. After Gheris and I destroy hib and mid, we're coming for YOU, Zedd! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. <boggle>
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" They shoudl make MMORPG 18+ only... jesus... we need more maturity. "
Then you couldn't play khall, you big noob.
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I'm confused, Acery.
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YOU THINK THIS IS OVER???? IT'LL NEVER BE OVER!!! THIS HAS GROWN FAR LARGER THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE! BY TOMORROW NIGHT, HIB WILL FALL! THEN MIDGARD IN LESS THAN A WEEK! THEN WE'LL BE MARCHING ON PRYDWEN KEEP, THEN CAERWENT!
HIDE IN YOUR LITTLE HOVEL, ZEDD, BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO BURN IT DOWN! COWER LIKE THE SNIVELLING LITTLE BEERWENCH YOU ARE BECAUSE NOTHING, AND I SAY NOTHING CAN STOP US N...
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Eat 350 seconds, Friar!
Mez is fun for those of us who lack Det.
I can file my tax returns, get a hair-cut, and knock out Shogun while I'm waiting.
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"I made the decision to give the relics out of neccessity."
.......... so much for each realm being individual.
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Albs that can hack it out there do so and don't make excuses about their classes being crap or theories that their realm guards are weaker (this is directed at someone on this thread who has spread this little lie) to justify their need for numbers. Personally I agree that it's mythic's fault the population imbalance is so bad and that people need to deal with it since I don't think many albs are going to (or even should have to) leave their friends at this point but albion's population dominence on lancelot is a huge crutch for a significant percentage of its players. They actually believe that they NEED the numbers to win. That they refuse to learn how to play their class and the game better is their fault. There was a time that I actually agreed albion lacked certain abilities to make a good basic group setup but that time is long past and the game has changed.
Guilds like LA and FreeRPS wouldn't be able to pull off the massive numbers of kills on albs as effectively if players were just a little smarter...they'd still own up because they play smart and have high realm ranks but you wouldn't have situations like the FreeRPS videos show.
I have no opinion on whether Gheris is a fun guildemate to play with or not and I'm sure he has qualities his guildies and friend admire but his actions as a "leader" were inspiring the wrong elements and attitudes in albion in terms of learning how to win with something besides numbers. He hasn't done enough in terms of teaching people how to play smarter apparently.
Ex: The other night at the hadrian's/pennine border EoE rolled a group Tharf was in pretty hard...the sad thing was that we were following for a good 15 or 20 seconds before we caught up on sprint...they didn't even turn around to fight us because apparently no one was panning and that's just dumb. Let me throw salt in the wound: we weren't running a gank setup. A ranger, nightshade, 2 voiders, bard, pierce/shield hero, valewalker, and chanter. That's right, no druid with GP. Hell when I first saw you I was mad at myself because I thought you had the jump on us but lack of panning screwed you. The night before we did the same thing to something like 12 albs by eras using 7 players and again no druid. We have to roll like 2 or three keeps to even get albs to come out and play...that's ridiculous. Everything in this example is pretty common.
I love hitting mid keeps because they at least will come out to give hibs a good fight - this was true even when they had no relics. Guess being an underdog realm taught them something.
I get rolled plenty but I usually don't blame anyone but myself and try to learn from it. When I got stealth zerged at amg I learned to go through or go elsewhere instead of sitting there waiting to get farmed. When I'm in a group and get hit with the emain zerg i go someplace besides emain. When Maluv and LA put an axe in my head and kills my ranger I don't get mad and scream radar, I realize that they're high RR folks that play well together and that there was little chance my gimpy RR 5 ranger self was going to melee down a zerker. I know what's my fault and what isn't. Point is that some of you need to stop blaming others and realize what's holding you back from just BASIC improvements.
Maybe Gheris's supporter are right (I don't personally think so) but AWC breaking up is probably a good opportunity for the albs to see what really does and doesn't work...plankton will float.
Edit: oh and much love to all hibs, mids, and albs who understand why balance and fun for all three realms is a good thing for everyone.
Bah second Edit: I won't flame anyone who wants to roleplay but don't expect sympathy around here...everyone knows that certain servers are RP servers and are even designated as such. There's a reason they're in the minority and if the rest of us wanted to play on one we'd roll over there.
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The realm was not on the raid. Hence 16 people in my guild. I lead my guild, they follow my orders, they follow because they get rps and they win battles. If they had a problem w/ my decision(s) they would have said something or they wouldn't follow me. But obviously that isnt the case.
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People keep claiming that Albs DO have the tools necessary to compete... I'm not going to drag this thread into that, but I'll point out that, if you do a /who any time during the day, you'll notice a few statistics...
There are more than double the amount of Pallies on than there are Armsmen and Mercs combined.
There are more than double the amount of Infs on than there are Armsmen and Mercs combined.
/who Cleric might bring up a large number, but if you look around and inside APK in Emain, you'll find 1/2 to 3/4 of that number being Buffbots.
Minsts are becoming more popular, as are Sorcs... We'll start to compete soon, but the Alb/Lance class ratio just isn't in our favor right now. Hell, I was in a group with 6 Pallies, a Friar, and a Sorc the other day... It was a disaster of a mez just waiting to happen.
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Hib druid and bard (and warden IMHO) ratio to killing classes isn't what it needs to be either. Most of our druids are bots too >_<
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I'll play a druid or a bard, PL me to 50.
Seriously, playing a cleric sucks, all you do is heal. Druids and healers get other skills that make them both more useful to the group and more to fun to play.
I recently rolled a druid to play on my hib server, would never want to play a cleric though.
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Crap, I busted 1000 posts without noticing <hangs head in shame>
I didn't like playing my cleric on my alb server either.
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"A ranger, nightshade, 2 voiders, bard, pierce/shield hero, valewalker, and chanter."
ok the only persons spec you mentioned was paarn's- you trying to say something about pierce hero's mal?
edit: time to reroll your vn account mal.....
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" Last time I checked DAoC was a MMORPG..."
last time i checked, lancelot wasnt a role playing server. now stfu
" So youre saying that many ppl left because of one person?
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if you knew anything about what hib morale was like before gheris did that stunt....EVERYONE was fed up with having 100+ albs in emain, and there only being 1 or 2 grups of hibs in emain, then a few stealthers. EVERYONE was sick of albs constantly having 10x the numbers, and taking 80 people to attack or defend cruach or crim. gheris's move simply put it over the top, so yes, everyone who left, did leave because of that.
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LOL.. Mal is a pierce hero h8er.
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Ya know, its funny to see everyone drag this and that into this thread but the point remains-
Sometimes egos can not get along, and when things get to a point- talking is over and people walk. In a few months there will be 2 or 3 smaller alliances formed and things will go back to business as usual.
I was in AWC for a grand total of 3 days. I thought it was nice to see some decent /as messages but to each his own. I just want to play.
If by playing I have to die a 100 times just to kill one person then so be it. Thats why we all play this game. We all get frustrated enough to smash small animals, its going to happen especially with a live opponent on the other side of your screen.
We do not have to like people, we don't even have to talk to them. Just coincide.
Hib/Mid yell foul enough for all of us, and they usually do have some valid points. But coughing up the relics I have to say I didn't believe it, alot of shit runs through the VN you can't believe half of what you read and simply don't read the rest- But it was admitted here, maybe its been said before I may have missed it.
Mist said she/he decided to hand them over. Well good for you and the illusion that x-realming doesn't occur
I am a low realm rank merc, I mean virtually nothing in-game but a nameless face, a few hundred RPs. I have gone great lenghts to try and avoid the zerg, I have run solo unbuffed and with a death wish more then I care to admit, but I had fun. I did it because I figured I rolled in a realm that needed no help, that didn't need another Warder merc adding to the drama of the zerg. I avoided it for what? Albs don't overpopulate this server we have the same numbers as
Midbernia
Relics are truly the only Realm based factor in this entire game and you shit all over it.
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" if you knew anything about what hib morale was like before gheris did that stunt....EVERYONE was fed up with having 100+ albs in emain, and there only being 1 or 2 grups of hibs in emain, then a few stealthers. EVERYONE was sick of albs constantly having 10x the numbers, and taking 80 people to attack or defend cruach or crim. gheris's move simply put it over the top, so yes, everyone who left, did leave because of that. "
Here a tissue.
I love playign Call of Duty in the night after some daoc... then, joining a server... it happens, that the german team (i always play German) is always outnumbered (by 2+ sometimes up to 10 !) I don't bish/cry about it... CHALLENGE. I like it. (It's a FPS in case you didnt know), i can't decide who plays on which side
So if ppl left or still cry about the "imbalance" of population... they got issue cuz mainly in the online world, you can't control s**t.
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"Mist said she/he decided to hand them over. Well good for you and the illusion that x-realming doesn't occur "
Umm... I never said any such thing. I wasn't even a part of that relic raid (hell, I wasn't even logged in at the time).
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"I made the decision to give the relics out of neccessity."
Is this not what you said?
And does it not sound like you coughed them up?
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Um Cyce said that noobs to learn to read. Not mist.
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"Is this not what you said?"
No, Cyce said that.
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Tough to compare a game like CoD to DAOC... DAOC is about numbers or time spent playing, while CoD is about skill and strategy. (I was in Mars, I've seen people overcome odds that wouldn't be anywhere near possible in DAOC).
It's a game of numbers and character development though... That's what we've picked, so that's what we'll deal with.
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I pointed out paarn's spec just to make the point he doesn't run a LW/hybrid and that our group wasn't typical in any manner...hell my defensive champ (if I ever get time to work on him) is going to be valor/shield/pierce spec.
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While we are on the topic DoD>CoD carry on.
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Mist,
My apologies.
Cur-Panzer,
Run and go f yourself.
I was mistaken.
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Hmm run at the same time kinda hard isnt it?
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Lol
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Maybe you can use your uber board troll skills to figure it out
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" Hmm run at the same time kinda hard isnt it?"
Be fun to find out.
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whatever mal- pierce/shield hero's to be all the rage soon
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K let's look at everyone's post count on the past couple replies and ask if anyone has room to speak of being a board troll.
Edit: was for lye
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I'm not a troll.
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This thread has fertile soil.
(Good for farming for those who didn't pick it up)
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^^ good point, but I know the secret
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This is the season to "farm" more stars muwahaha.
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Deed:
I love pierce specs...also no one rips on paarn nearly as much as you do ...the rest of us in guild just feed off of it and go, "Damn, wonder if Deed is going to abuse and beat up Paarn again." Rofl, I keeeed I keeeeed.
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"hehe they are. But for different reasons. They're usually the people who complain about not having df, or not having the relics, ect ect, and don't lift a single fingure to keep them or assist in getting them. Even when they're in Hadrians not 2 minutes form beno, been told it's under attack, and literally say "who cares" to the people who let them know. Instead they would rather waiste all their time dueling. It ruins their weapons, their armor, and their jewl items. And guess who they come crawling to when they need new ones/repairs? yup those that actually work for the realm, for df, for everything THEY want. They do nothing but leech off the efforts of everybody else in the game. So yes, they are the lowest form of players."
You make so many generalizations in that post it's just silly. And even though I could have and did write a long post detailing each fallacy you wrote, I opted to delete that post and simply leave you with this one statement, made by yourself:
"Bashing folks for playing the game how they want to play it, is extremely stupid. People play for different reasons, just let them play and keep your nose out of it. If folks can't handle it, then I suggest you stop playing on normal servers, and go to those that focus on one aspect of them, and leave the rest of us who like varity alone."
Hi, my name is Tharf, and I'm a hypocrit.
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"A ranger, nightshade, 2 voiders, bard, pierce/shield hero, valewalker, and chanter."
Maluvin, you forgot to mention how many of these people are ml9. You guys probably used your uber leet toa haxors skills. In fact, I bet Deed summoned a merchant, and you hit the albs from behind while they were selling.
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while we are on the topic of pierce hero's- did you know that the golden spear cant be pierce for hero's atm- paarn is very very bitter. And when he rolls on pierce weapons ppl are like wtf your a hero, then comes the shock and disbelief "your a PIERCE hero?" I think its funny- is there even anyone else on the server that is a pierce hero?
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"Gheris' goal is to drive all the mids and hibs away, hence winning. He posted as much on the boards a long time ago. That is where I lost all respect for him. Gheris, every flame you've recieved here is well deserved and then some.
And this would be a bad thing? Granted, I would miss the mids somewhat, but not the hibs. If I wanted to RvR against Disneyland characters, I'd go play Kingdom Hearts or something."
If that is what you want, why don't you go roll on Gheris and leave those of us who like pvp alone. This game cannot be won, all you can hope for are good fights and fun battles. Your GM stated that he is trying to destroy that (I can't find that post, but I will continue looking. It may have been deleted because of flaming).
"It's funny what little clue what little clue Zedd really has. After Gheris and I destroy hib and mid, we're coming for YOU, Zedd! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. <boggle>"
First off, where did you prove anything I said was wrong or clueless? Second you aren't even RR4, and only 2 people in your guild are rr5 or higher. Someone who wants no competetion in rvr is clueless i.e. YOU. Go roll more alts. Maybe start up on Gheris, that seems to be what you enjoy.
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I am the Fonz, and I put my thumb up. That means things are cool!
Hey everyone out there! THUMBS UP!!!
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Lmao, that brought light to this thread, Mist.
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"Maluvin, you forgot to mention how many of these people are ml9. You guys probably used your uber leet toa haxors skills. In fact, I bet Deed summoned a merchant, and you hit the albs from behind while they were selling."
mist to leave Bob out of this- innocent bystander i say
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ooooooo mal you forgot to mention that paarn went warlord........... pierce/shield/warlord hero
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/em buys Zedd a sarcasm detector and a smaller horse.
Dude, you obviously have issues, and I'm not talking Maxim or EGM, either. We're talking "ow, my cameltoe just got caught in my zipper" kind of issues, bro.
Here. Have a popsicle and a time-out on me.
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Oh, so you were saying I had everything right... that I can agree with.
Edit: What am I supposed to think when you have 200k rps? Sounds like a carebear to me.
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remember when deed dyed all of paarn's armor pink and changed his last name after botting him through ml7? hahahahah
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" /em buys Zedd a sarcasm detector and a smaller horse."
You had me fooled as well, I had a big reply ready too. Hrmph.
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I'm saying that I couldn't care less what little trivial conspiracy you think Gheris is fronting, pathetic as it is considering you have some delusional panic that he pays $13/mo. just to do all he can to ruin the way you play the game.
So while you're putting some serious strain on that poor artery poking out of your forehead trying to determine how to derail Gheris rep further, I'm gonna go back to enjoying playing DAOC the way I like.
It's unfortunate that you have this grand concept that your RP-count makes you a 'better player' than those who choose not to RvR constantly, but that's your deal. I think we both know, however, that if you were so ultimately concerned about competition, you would have deleted and rolled a hib/mid long ago.
So, honestly, in the end, you really have no excuse, bro. Have fun.
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I'm saying that I couldn't care less what little trivial conspiracy you think Gheris is fronting, pathetic as it is considering you have some delusional panic that he pays $13/mo. just to do all he can to ruin the way you play the game.
His goals in this game, as I have seen them, are to ruin
So while you're putting some serious strain on that poor artery poking out of your forehead trying to determine how to derail Gheris rep further,
Gheris has derailed his own rep. I used to respect him, now I have none.
It's unfortunate that you have this grand concept that your RP-count makes you a 'better player' than those who choose not to RvR constantly, but that's your deal.
Experience in rvr does. RPS are a pretty good indicator of rvr experience. People who play together a lot and work well together ARE BETTER PLAYERS.
I think we both know, however, that if you were so ultimately concerned about competition, you would have deleted and rolled a hib/mid long ago.
I can't stand pve. I have tried a lot of times to reroll on other servers and I always end up quitting. Pve might be your thing but it definitely isn't mine.
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if you knew anything about what hib morale was like before gheris did that stunt....EVERYONE was fed up with having 100+ albs in emain, and there only being 1 or 2 grups of hibs in emain, then a few stealthers. EVERYONE was sick of albs constantly having 10x the numbers, and taking 80 people to attack or defend cruach or crim. gheris's move simply put it over the top, so yes, everyone who left, did leave because of that.
I had to chuckle 3vi.
Its funny that both ends of the spectrum yield the same results.
A lot of older albs on lancelot are also demoralized by the overpopulation we suffer.
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One day the majority of Albs in RvR keep defense / offense will stop walking speedless in a line behind a leader broadcasting like his Caps Lock key is stuck.
Heh. Who am I kidding? Bring on the next Overlord!
Someone should start a poll. Who will it be? Inquiring minds want to know!
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Cyce:
(Not going to quote the strategy thing)
This is the exact same thing we did to Mid when they had the strength relics at the time.
Got them used to the idea of the guild running in Mid taking keeps. Got to the point where they were so used to what we were doing, they stopped coming out to play.
And so when the scheduled relic raid happened, it started off with 3 keeps down from the previous day. And so the relics went to Albion.
I have got absolutely nothing against your strategy, I would have done the exact same thing under the circumstances, and I applaud you for it and for getting the job done.
This changes nothing, though, as per my disdain of seeing people approve one strategy when it is done by Hibs, and using all sorts of excuses as to why when Albion did the exact same thing, that is STILL wrong. Anything from the numeric advantage (give me 200 RR 7-8 over 500 RR 2-3 anyday, the RR 7-8 will roll the RR 2-3).
As for Gheris, all the trashing is really uncalled for imho. Right decision, wrong decision, it's a done deal. Gheris deserves tons of credit for stuff he did. Trying to unite Albion under one banner isn't exactly easy. And he managed to do a decent job of it.
As far as myths in the game go, please add yet another myth that needs to be clarified, namely "Albs can defend their power relics because you have the numbers advantage". In case you didnt get it by now, Myrddyn, unlike the Hib and the Mid power relic keeps, is not defensible unless you park 100 defenders there, online, which people simply do not do. Albion could have 5 times the number of Hibs and Mids combined and still not get there in time when it is hit. And Im talking instant suicide upon the first warning, releasing to guildhouse, taking the Snowdonia teleporter and running there at speed 5, just to discover the relic has already left the building.
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" Seriously, playing a cleric sucks, all you do is heal."
I kind of think keeping the group alive is kinda fun. I was playing my cleric last night till we ended up with a group with no speed and 2 clerics, so I logged my sorc on.
Funny the difference in the two groups. When my cleric is on, I measure success v LA in how many minutes we survive. With my sorc, I count the seconds.
Seriously, whatever happened to the cat? Did it get the bacon?
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yeah chanster after frontiers alb will finally have a chance to hold power relics... omg i cant wait to have all 3... /drools!
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All I can do is reiterate what was said here earlier. The night that Gheris decided to break the spirit of Hib for daring to touch our precious relic keep was the night I lost a lot of respect for him. Yes he’s a strong leader, but he didn’t think clearly about what that would do to the morale of the server. And no, this isn’t “warâ€, these aren’t our “hated enemiesâ€, these are other people sitting at computers just like we are. People we are friends with, even. So why make them so disheartened they never want to play against us anymore? Where’s the fun in that?
Which brings me to my next point. Tharfawdle, I always respected your dedication to the realm, your almost fanatical drive to take and hold our keeps. However, what you said about dueling was totally over the line. You insulted a lot of good people by what you said, me included.
“it's problem and needs adressing. hence the lazy leeching duelists. They not only leech off their realmates, they also cause lag in heavy trafficed areasâ€.
As I said to your guildmate who sought me out to reprimand me for 'cross-realming' at the duels one night, we choose to duel in very out-of-the-way areas, but you may not know this if you’ve never attended a duel. And exactly how do you consider a 1 vs 1 fight “leeching� It’s simply the idea of an 8 vs 8 pared down, pitting one worthy opponent against another, to test their mettle. How is that less honorable than a FG jumping a soloer in Emain? Mythic chose not to favor us with an organized arena to duel in, so we make our own. And as Velkar quoted,
“Bashing folks for playing the game how they want to play it, is extremely stupid. People play for different reasons, just let them play and keep your nose out of it.†- Tharfawdle
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It breaks my heart to see albion arguing with each other like this... really it does... *sniffle* Pfffft hahhaa *cough, cough* *sniffle*
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I also seem to recall Mythic stating that such organized, cross-realm duels are legit.
So... I don't see the problem. I also... to an extent... don't see the problem with a zerg swarming in and rolling the duelling pit, though I prefer not to associate with such inconsiderate, dishonorable folk.
Then, I think we all have vices in this game. It takes alot of resolve for me to hold back from killing grey-con bonedancers in Uppland if I happen across them. If there is anything I hate worse than a hib, it's a bonedancer, especially if he's a valkyn.
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Troll Savages = sexay, imo.
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We set up duels on Galahad in the middle of the ruins -- the most common place you would expect someone... Then some Champion runs up and starts beating on a Paladin, and there're 30 of us just staring at him. Cleric started healing the Pally, so he went after the Cleric.
I could just picture him on the other end shouting, "Come on, my fellow Hibs! Kill them! And Mids, are you teamed up against me?!?!?"
We all got a good /laugh out of it.
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nurse with the best post on this thread so far.
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"Irony:
1)Playing a Massively Multi Online ROLE PLAYING Game and telling the people who ROLE PLAY to go to another server."
how is this an irony when there are SPECIFIC servers setup for roleplaying?
"3) If one event one evening caused someone to quit the realm or the server, that person should not play games at all since someone has to lose. Isn't it really just the straw that broke the camel's back. There was probably a bunch of frustration leading up to it."
you're right, there was a lot of frustration leading up to it, just that one incident put them over the top and they finally left. you know, having to retake 3-4 keeps each day before anyones able to go to emain would be rather old, and then when you get to emain and have 100+ albs that just zerg you, all thats exactly my idea of fun.
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Ex: The other night at the hadrian's/pennine border EoE rolled a group Tharf was in pretty hard...
lol You're all proud of yourself that a full group, or near to a ful group, of hibs beat the snot out of 4 albions? Felt the lag comming, and thought we were dead, but after a few seconds I figured we must have missed whatever it was. Did the only thing I could in either case, and kept going ahead.
Sorry to isult your friends Nurse, but that's precisly what they do, if they fall under the deffination I gave a while back as duelist. Those that do nothing but duel. And yes they do do nothing but leech off their realm. They do do nothing to help the realm in the things they want, like df, relics, ect ect. They wonder why we never have them, well there you are. It's people like them that cause it. And since they don't lift a fingure to help, and then go crawling to those that do to help them, they are indeed nothing but leeches. And sorry Nurse, folks dueling in hadrians have ALWAYS said "who cares" when informed that the keep not 2 minutes away from them is under attack. If they want to go be so chummy with people from other realms, they should leave albion and go to those realms.
If cross realm dueling is as "legit" as you say it is, why do CSRs ENCOURAGE people to break them up. Want to know why, because they can't really do anything, but they can get palyers to do it for them. It's one of those grey areas. It is cross realm communication, but it doesn't give out info such as raid times and places, ect ect. So mythic doesn't do anything about it. It's not important enough to bother with.
And yes those same realm duelists do make it much harder for people to play the game. The lag they create makes gettign anywhere near impossible. A few steps that should take all of a few seconds at most, becomes an ordeal of 5-15 minutes. I've sugested to them they take it out of sight of the heavy traffic areas, but they insist on screwing their realmates over.
Seanseless bashing IS stupid. ( I do apologize here too, since I should have put in senseless in the first place) Expressing facts about wrong behavoir that makes impacts, even small ones, on the other players of their realm is deffinatly different. And these are NOT small ones.
Next subject. The guards at albion keeps are indeed lower level than those at hib/mid keeps. I'm not the only one who has noticed this either. When we attack a keep owned by either hibs or mids, it's an almost constant red + guard spawn, with the occasional orange thrown in. Albion held keeps have 4 purples(the named and it's guards), very few reds, and almost all oranges. I HAVE compaired guard cons on the same keep, just to be certain of it. And just to drive the nail into it, I have even seen the NAMED as a red con in an Albion held keep before at level 10! Pretty certain that may have been a bug though.
And I've watched less than 2 groups of mids just farm away at the guards at Myr, with all our keeps in albion hands. Have you seen Albions even be able to come close to being able to do that? Bet you haven't. This was pre ToA.
As for the doors, dang skippy they are lower level. Or perhaps, somehow, the hibs hit them harder? Don't know how that is possible since albions have had the extra 20% melee dmg forever, plus Albion is supossed to be overall better at melee damage than hibernia. Prime example: Keepers held beno, both doors were level 10 fully repaired. We get spam the keep is under attack, we immediatly log the characters we had inside. Before we could even form up into a group, d1 was down. That would be less than 5 minutes TOPS.
Explain that? Please explain how that was even possible. You can't can you, because it's NOT possible unless Albion doors are not in fact the same level as hib or mid doors. It takes Albion a heck of a lot longer to break down even weaker doors with three rams! With everyone beating on the doors. And before you go spouting MLs or that such crap. This was post 3 siege per door, pre ToA.
I give specific examples. Some of which happen over and over. You give nothing.
I think Chanst is trying to drill into your thick skulls on how hibernia constatly puts down people for doing something, however when it's their realm that does it it's completely and 100% ok to do. Numbers is a piss poor excuse to justify such behavoir.
I apologize for the length of this one, but there's been 4 pages of stuff to respond to, since I went to work this morning.
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"Sorry to isult your friends Nurse, but that's precisly what they do, if they fall under the deffination I gave a while back as duelist. Those that do nothing but duel. And yes they do do nothing but leech off their realm. They do do nothing to help the realm in the things they want, like df, relics, ect ect. They wonder why we never have them, well there you are. It's people like them that cause it. And since they don't lift a fingure to help, and then go crawling to those that do to help them, they are indeed nothing but leeches. And sorry Nurse, folks dueling in hadrians have ALWAYS said "who cares" when informed that the keep not 2 minutes away from them is under attack. If they want to go be so chummy with people from other realms, they should leave albion and go to those realms."
Sigh, I should have copied what I had initially posted but deleted since you basically rehashed everything you said. You're generalizing. First of all, if they enjoy dueling, and only dueling, why do they need/want df, relics, or etc (whatever etc. may be)? They've obviously got all the exp and gear they need.
What about the people who don't duel, and only PvE? They must be leeches too, considering they do nothing but farm loot and level characters which is doing nothing for the server. Like YOU said, who cares what they're doing, as long as they're enjoying themselves and not interfering in your gameplay.
I enjoy dueling. I don't want, nor do I like DF, nor have I been in DF in I would guesstimate a year+. I don't care if we have relics, in fact, I'm glad we don't. I hope it encourages more hib/mids to reactivate or roll here as well as encourage albs to leave for greener pastures. I help. In fact, my entire guild is routinely some of the only people defending (when we had relics). [NOTE: I'm not saying it was just our guild, I was mearly stating that we are out there, a lot] I've been there taking keeps, relics, df for others, simply stopping a force, along with a lot of my guild members. In fact, we are one of the guilds that was typically always out there.
Have I said "who cares" to someone stating beno was under attack while I was dueling? Sure. Have people who were in Odin's roaming around said "who cares" to your request? I'm sure. Why? Because they were having fun. That one instance makes me a leech because I enjoy dueling?
You're a hypocrit plain and simple, Tharf.
"And yes those same realm duelists do make it much harder for people to play the game. The lag they create makes gettign anywhere near impossible. A few steps that should take all of a few seconds at most, becomes an ordeal of 5-15 minutes. I've sugested to them they take it out of sight of the heavy traffic areas, but they insist on screwing their realmates over.
Expressing facts about wrong behavoir that makes impacts, even small ones, on the other players of their realm is deffinatly different. And these are NOT small ones."
The places where duels are typically held are not heavy traffic areas. I'm not going to sit here and spout them off (eg: listing off Mist's website for ML raid times), but they aren't there. I'm sorry but you're incorrect in your assessment. Nor do you provide any facts to prove duelers hurt the game.
They're having fun, but you don't approve of it, so they shouldn't do it. You are senselessly bashing these people. Again, I'll quote you, because it still applies:
"Bashing folks for playing the game how they want to play it, is extremely stupid. People play for different reasons, just let them play and keep your nose out of it. If folks can't handle it, then I suggest you stop playing on normal servers, and go to those that focus on one aspect of them, and leave the rest of us who like varity alone."
Did I mention you're a hypocrit?
[EDIT: Just because I was rereading your post and found this so humorous:
"like df, relics, ect ect. They wonder why we never have them, well there you are"
We never have DF? rofl
We never have relics? We just recently lost the strength relics after holding them for... how long again? Oh yeah, we NEVER have relics. /laugh]
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"I love playign Call of Duty in the night after some daoc... then, joining a server... it happens, that the german team (i always play German) is always outnumbered (by 2+ sometimes up to 10 !) I don't bish/cry about it... CHALLENGE. I like it. (It's a FPS in case you didnt know), i can't decide who plays on which side"
comapring realm population issues to uneven teams in an fps is like comparing apples and oranges...
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Velk to own Tharf more plz.
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"And let me tell you, I'd trade my cleric's BOF for my healer's instant stun any day"
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THIS THREAD GETS THE BIG NASTIE! SEAL OF APPROVAL!
carry on
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"As far as myths in the game go, please add yet another myth that needs to be clarified, namely "Albs can defend their power relics because you have the numbers advantage". In case you didnt get it by now, Myrddyn, unlike the Hib and the Mid power relic keeps, is not defensible unless you park 100 defenders there, online, which people simply do not do. Albion could have 5 times the number of Hibs and Mids combined and still not get there in time when it is hit. And Im talking instant suicide upon the first warning, releasing to guildhouse, taking the Snowdonia teleporter and running there at speed 5, just to discover the relic has already left the building."
maybe thats because you dont even go out to defend until you are down all your keeps. if you would go out when you're keeps begin to drop, then maybe you'd keep power relics more than a few days at most. even if the attackers go STRAIGHT for the RK, they have to deal with the named guards, which are hell to take down. however if you have all 6 relics, defending would be difficult, but simply saying its impossible to defend the power relics doesnt work.
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"omg i cant wait to have all 3... /drools!"
You mean all 6 right? If they lay out frontiers the way they say they are and make the RKs designed the way they say they are and put them where they say they are albs should have no problem defending all 6 relics, and that is going to be a sad sad day on this server.
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bah lets stick to topic and away from paarn bashing pierce/warlord heros are uber...... well maybe not but it adds variety to the normal "cookie-cutter" groups.
Tharf: mal is semi confused, we were sprinting after 1.5ish grps of albs that had just left eras(?) after taking it. you and a few others looked like you might have lagged off of the main grps or were running behind it and we rolled through ya. the rest of the grps just kept on running rofl we caught up and tame pbaoe'd almost all of them. Not one person targeted his 1hp guard either rofl they were all /stuck to tame heh, rolled the few left pretty easy as they ran or /sat.
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You all might as well just quit right now... Infact, I reckon Hibs and Mids will quit first since they'll be sick of not having any relics and not being able to take them back. Then Albs will quit because we're sick of holding all 6 relics and not have anyone to try to take them...
Then Lancelot will be renamed Cabbyman's brothel and it'll close down because nobody will be here any more... Then Cabbyman will go on to be co-host with Regis Feldman on Cabby and Regis... Then LA will join Mordred like the man destined them to do... Then NS magic will get wtfnerfed (it's about time), and BDs will get twelve more pets and less down-time on their lifetap.
Paladins will be given the RA "lack of determination", which increases mez length by 15% per level. The hidden 45 extra trials of Atlantis will be discovered, and be even more time-consuming than the previous 10. Mids will liek, finish exploring SI and go to the store and say, "wtf is TOA"?
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in honor of tharf's stupid post...
duels tonite, usual time/loc.
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Let's move the duels to just outside CS so they can compete with the emain porting lag
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lol
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I seriously think the 15 or so of us could bring the server to its knees, maybe even crash it, what do you think?
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I disagree. Albs won't have it as easy as they think they will in frontiers. If what I read is correct. You can't even get to a relic unless "X" amount of your keeps are down. This means that 300 albs simply zerging teh RK will not be a problem anymore cause they won't be able to get there. This means albs will have to control a set amount of our keeps to even get to the RK which will mean they will have to split their forces. When they do this they can be dealt with and they won't have lag to fall back on.
Besides, Albs are going to be lost in their own frontier for 3 months after release anyways cause there won't be any emain necks. Let alone find our RK's. I look forward to making Albs cry and log again.
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nurse i think your rezzing people at the duels is making the server very unstable and i want you to stop it pls.
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Some warders would get rolled, imho.
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Yeah Nurse, let me rez them instead J/k hehe.
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I, for one, plan to save hundreds of Hibernia portal necklaces in my vault so I can get to Emain easier once frontiers DOES come out.
On a similar note -- Is glasny/visur/gothi going to get fired?
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^Probably not, b/c there are people that will want to port to housing/SI/TOA.
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Yes but Cyce, as great as TNO is, you won't be able to hold enough keeps with 12 players to unlock the mile gates.
It still amazes me how many people just don't get what the RP in MMORPG stands for. WE ALL PLAY A ROLE. I really doubt any of us are Trolls, Elves, Inconnu (wtf), or Savages (well, maybe some), Enchanters, and Wizards. Just because this server does not require strict conformance to medievil role playing, we are still all roleplaying and I won't knock someone for doing it.
So, how long will this thread last?
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When it started, I thought it was going to hit 500... But it seems to be dying down. I doubt it will reach 400.
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yo maluv i agreed wit what u said on page 6 
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i don't, he was totally wrong and stuff.
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Years from now, this discussion will be going on and people will say, "Joose, I agree with what you said on page 421".
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Who say's I'll have only 12 people w/ me . Been doing some recruiting and we got an average of 20 folks on at our primetime now . We've been preparing for frontiers for a while now and we still are.
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Can I come?
I just re-SC'd myself last night and am having fun seeing how my weapons do on different opponants
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Mist:
With the exception of someone with brittle guard up don't think a single ML ability was used during that fight. Deed doesn't seem to get much offensive use out of sojourner and anyone else in that group who was ML9 has to set up storms...I'm only ML5 so no bodyguard for me yet Must take more keeps for MLxp....
Tharf:
I think 4 is cutting your numbers down but not gonna get into numbers argument...in any case mids owned beno at the time so where were you planning to escape to make your escape exactly? HPK? MPK? Yeah...you were gonna get away by suiciding on guards huh?
Saer/paarn:
Not the eras fight Paarn...that was a different night. Next day. I think you're confused about me being confused because you spend half the time lagging off in hadrians with meaw anyways. Besides you could be delirious from Deed abuse but that's a different farming topic lol.
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<<<The guards at albion keeps are indeed lower level than those at hib/mid keeps. I'm not the only one who has noticed this either. When we attack a keep owned by either hibs or mids, it's an almost constant red + guard spawn, with the occasional orange thrown in. Albion held keeps have 4 purples(the named and it's guards), very few reds, and almost all oranges. I HAVE compaired guard cons on the same keep, just to be certain of it. And just to drive the nail into it, I have even seen the NAMED as a red con in an Albion held keep before at level 10! Pretty certain that may have been a bug though.>>
This is called hearsay. Watch this: The guards at hibernian keeps are indeed lower level than those at alb/mids keeps. I'm not the only one who has noticed this either. When we attack a keep owned by either albs or mids, it's an almost constant red + guard spawn, with the occasional orange thrown in. Hibernian held keeps have 4 purples (the named an it's guards), very few reds, and almost all oranges. I HAVE comapaired (sic) guard cons on the same keep, just to be certain of it. And just to drive the nail into it, I have even seen the NAMED as a red con in a Hibernian held keep before at level 10! Etc...
How about you offer screenshots, movies, chatlogs, or whatever...I've only ever heard this from you. Even if true that means door swings both way when we take keep in alb or albs take keeps in hibernia or midgard.
<<And I've watched less than 2 groups of mids just farm away at the guards at Myr, with all our keeps in albion hands. Have you seen Albions even be able to come close to being able to do that? Bet you haven't. This was pre ToA. >>
This point is a nonpoint...anyone can farm guards at an RK with the right classes. You can't farm guards at hib and mid RKs because they get out and do something about it.
<<As for the doors, dang skippy they are lower level. Or perhaps, somehow, the hibs hit them harder? Don't know how that is possible since albions have had the extra 20% melee dmg forever, plus Albion is supossed to be overall better at melee damage than hibernia.>>
Why do you think this again? Please point to something that says this should be.
<<I give specific examples. Some of which happen over and over. You give nothing.>>>
You give specific examples of how certain portions of albion won't accept their own hand in their problems...I'm glad not all of alb is like that.
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Tharf your posts in here were making me laugh, but now they are actually painful to read. Shut up you clueless idiot.
Gheris stunt was retarded, hib /who dropped by 100s the days after that, I myself logged and created a char right on another server then, even thought about deleting. That one realm could 'punish' another by just inflicting that much damage for no real goal...would have quit the game myself if Free Rps hadn't come back then.
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ENOUGH OF THE TOM FOOLERY
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Tom Foolery, he was in To Kill a Mockingbird, wasn't he?
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gheris and icecrystal
alliance nazis
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LOL wow.. I think this thread is tearin up the bandwidth :P
Im too lazy to read the 30 pages! Wewt!
NEW PAGE OMG WTF WOOT IM AWSOME!!
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Summed up:
LA and TNO confessed to radar.
Soooo... Don't bother reading it. I've put it all in one sentence.
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Thanks Arganda its me PSS, Melnir :P
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Ooo, one last thing for Deedlytt:
I admire you for coming out and defending your husband's piercer in public...what a woman!
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Farm more people? Why doesnt a mod jsut lock this thread hehe
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Wow... this thread is neat.
I guess mids and hibs never fight.
Cyce- I dont give a .... what you do/say/want in this game and I dont think I am the only one.
Gannd- uhm.. dont know what I want to say to you, you got 3 friends on alb I know for sure.. (Ashmir,Athlon and me) Guess we are bad because we enjoy play with our friends?
All I have to say.
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Damnit, i read all the pages because of that radar comment. And about the post on guards being different levels, i mean i havent played in a while but don't guard levels come from how upgraded the keep is?
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