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This is for all of the 8v8 group/guilds to discuss lame tactics, praise things or whatever on. Kind of sick of seeing things in 30 different threads so I want to tell you how badly you all suck in one thread instead of 30.
<3
Really, though. I'll open up the discussion with an accusation brought up by others:
TF and TK are great at 8v8 -- with ra's up. Otherwise they stay within help of the zerg, or at least another group.
Discuss. Try to keep it clean so that they don't erase this thread, too, though be honest. I will lay down an essay tomorrow after I see what others have had to say.
[For the record, I'm KoS but KoS gank groups don't exist right now. I mostly run with free rp's and chosen ones, so what you say about them and what they say about you I will feel free to comment on]
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I think if well had a button where we would die and give our rps to ashmir alone it would be best.
err wait...
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That would have owned last night when I was desperately trying to get 3200 rp's to hit rr7 
Got it finally tho 
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i feel that this 8v8 elitist BS needs to go away.
you dont pay their $12/mo. so why should you try to dictate how they play?
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I think kellzz should stop worrying about how other people play DAoC.
I also think ash hit the nail on the head about TF/TK.
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Exactly, you know what? If I want to attack your 5fg solo, ill do just that. And if I want to bring 100 of my closest friends to gank soloers in df, ill do that too. As Kellz said, its my money, its my account, ill play how I like and if you dont like it, ive got two words for you.
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oh! please do share those words traab:)
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LA needs to let me emote them at least once before they kill me. Damn you anty. DAMN YOU!
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Thank god the master is telling us all this.
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"TF and TK are great at 8v8 -- with ra's up. Otherwise they stay within help of the zerg, or at least another group. "
False for TK.
The TK gank group (Frec, Raiha, Eup, Arkkane, Lind, Dathan, Beib, Stand and the others one) hate when other group are following them or when another group(s) jump in their fights. And they stay in the battlefield when all ra's are used.
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Gah, anty doesn't kill people, hes harmless, I am the one with the damage!@!
Huh anty!
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I hate fighting whatever group Treya is in. She pulls off some crazy mezzes/roots.Phel to pull some roots please.
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Plz xarrio, Maluv outdamages you.
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omg erelir did you see the zerg video? i did some crazy roots>< oh and /whine golden, you have roots to!
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Don't know, I'd have to say I have mixed feelings on this. Basically LA will come in to make a fight a 3-way war if it's Hibs vs. Albs (without any Mids there). If there are Mids there, we will move away and let the fight go the way it should.
Free RP's seems to do the same.
TF I'm not going to get into. They simply don't. If they see a chance to leech RP's they'll go for it, I have not once seen them stop and turn the other way once. Recently TK has also been rushing in when already engaged, turning the tides of the fight.
Seems to me Albs have this mentality of "if there's only 1-2 albs left alive, it's ok to rush in". I don't see this as very true. Suppose a group is just done fighting, would it be fair to rush them - when the mezzers are A) Split apart, B) The group isn't stuck to the leader, C) The group is off killing the remaining 1-2 people, meaning they don't have speed song? I don't see the idea of a group being LOM as a huge reason for not rushing - because waiting 3 minutes for them to med up is just ridiculous. But imo you should at least give them a chance to stick up and get back in order.
Basically a 'clean' beginning for a fight would be - both groups stuck to their leader running at speed song, they spot eachother and it goes from there. Not: One group is all spread out and totally unprepared, while another rushes in and kills the unorganized group. Basically once you've engaged a group, you can't expect Healers (or Sorcs/Bards in Alb/Hib's case) to be in positions for mezzing. They're going to be in positions for healing, more along the lines of hidden and kiting. As far as I'm concerned, hitting a group while there's still people alive is still zerging and cheap.
I've seen TK turn around and avoid rushing in on a fight a total of twice. Respect for that, but then again I've also seen them hit us while we're mid-fight more than that. Granted it could be a number of things (misjudgement, for example) - but TK is the *only* group that I've ever seen back off from zerging.
The way I see it, there are 3 respectful non-zerging guilds (one in each realm). I suppose 4 if you'd like to add RoC (they've backed out from our fights plenty, and deserve recognition for it). The way Lancelot has been going zerg-wise, I feel these 3/4 guilds are the only things keeping this server unique from the other servers. Slowly Lance is becoming more and more zergish, and I fear eventually 8-man groups will not be able to function anymore. For this reason, I'd like to urge anyone who is against zerging to stand up for their principles in RvR. And if you are pro-zerg, there's nothing I can do about that.
fyi, I'd have to say TG's AMG campfests often tend to destroy RvR in Emain. Albs can't get past AMG, Mids can't find anything to kill. So basically Albs have to zerg to get past AMG, thus leaving Mids with an insufficient force to hit AMG yet again. So Phel, fix this thanks~
Basically in a server where 8-man groups are so popular, you shouldn't be needing to run anything more. There are imbalances from all 3 realms, ranging from SOS to gpurge to the Savage class. Zerging isn't a valid way to counter these imbalances. I'm not going to zerg TF just because they have SOS/BOF up, etc.
Also, nerf groups with 5 naturalists in them. I kill Phel an average of 3-4 times per battle.
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Thank god the master is telling us all this.
since when do realm points dictate how much knowledge you have about RvR?
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For those of you laying hate down on us, I didn't ask for your opinions in this thread, nor did I dictate to you how you should play. This is simply a discussion place for those who do like to 8v8, which you aren't among, so either add to the conversation intelligently (impossible for such as you, kellzz, as you don't have the 8v8 experience) or stfu.
Might be false for TK, but I never see them 8v8 unless their ra's are up -- otherwise it's always an add-on battle. I used to respect TK alot more, but to me, both TF and TK have been reduced to Released's level of rp whoring: running in mid battle to clean up everything else then beat chest like they accomplished something. Never seen a TK group run away from an ongoing fight -- something I've seen deleted, la and dox all do. Something I used to do but don't do anymore, simply because of the two aforementioned guilds always jumping ours. I've seen RoC leave a battle be. Not something I require or expect, yet I take insult when I hear you say one thing then see otherwise on the battlefield.
That being said, Frec is still the best mezzer in alb, and Treya is good whether or not she cheats. Have some good players in both groups/guilds (I know treya is AD, but never see her outside of a TF group), just hate that I never see them without others unless they are fully 'charged' up on ra's.
I've seen TF blow ra's when they add in battle, too. I guess SoS is necessary when bard beats you to mez and has both groups mezzed. BoF, too.
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Solo chanter 4 life. Who needs groups?
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(impossible for such as you, kellzz, as you don't have the 8v8 experience)
pwnt
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"TF and TK are great at 8v8 -- with ra's up. Otherwise they stay within help of the zerg, or at least another group."
We don't. WTF that's just stupid to even think that. You want to try not seeing another alb in emain when there are 80+ others out, be my guest. Especially when all the other enemies are hanging around milegates. We used to not jump into fights, I don't know if we still don't ever since free rps jumped into 4+ fights we had the other day. I'm not blaming Free RPs or anything but it was frustrating.
To think that is truely just.. dumb.
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Anty, you and I are pretty much of the same mind.
5 naturalist groups are OMG fun. 2 bards are necessary for a hib tank group to have any chance to survive (key word coming up) *consistently*.
2 druids for heals and the other form of cc...warden for pbt and resists -- i really like battle warden, something I threw out immediately a month ago. It works in the groups we have been running, and I for one hope to continue running it.
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I understand fully how you can say "80 Albs in Emain, nothing we can do about it" - I truly do understand. At one point there were 80 Mids in Emain and we couldn't get a fight without them coming in on them.
The difference is who engages first. I've seen both TK and TF purposely run in and engage on a fight between Albs and Mids (and I'm assuming they've done it on Albs and Hibs as well). The first group has no control over Albs rushing in, but the second group that's coming in does.
I've seen both guilds be that "second group" I have classified above. Basically if you ever see LA with 5000 Mids around them, we were probably the ones who engaged first and those Mids came as adds. Unfortunately nothing can be done about this, if there was a way to enable friendly fire I would :-\
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sorry foxflight, but I haven't had an 8v8 with TK in a long time. What am I supposed to think?
(I know your situation in emain and the huge numbers that are there. I've played on your side before and it sucked. This was one reason why I took offense to Frec's old, "KoS avoiding fights with TK by rvring in morning". I felt like if you guys couldn't pvp with us at a time when you didn't have 80 possible reinforcements to come, then you had no right to talk. TK showed me a couple of months ago that they were good and could handle 8v8, but that seems ages ago.
As for jumping into your fights -- I don't care anymore. I've been added in enough by Release, TF and yes, even you guys TK, that I don't care and will jump in any fight unless I see green (deleted) or red/white (LA) until I've been shown that other of these alleged 'gank guilds' have truer mentalities than rp whoring. Not your place to show it or whatever -- just a warning).
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Exactly Anty.
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I see 80 hibs sitting at ligen waiting for groups.
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yeah, lags me out wtf. Go away already!
(just kidding...please don't take what I said in the previous line seriously -- at all)
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Hey Melk -- how is easy mode?
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to tell you the truth the only reason why we rvr at night is because people have jobs, school, etc, it really doesnt have anything to do with amount on, or anything like that. i know kos rvr'd in the morning because some people worked night shift and others lived in europe and that's fine.
i do respect almost all of the gank guilds on lancelot.. free rps, la, release, tf, especially deleted, but don't take it personally if we jump in on fights. i know there are some occassions when we make an active effort to not engage groups in combat and other times we just don't care, as you might relate, because our fights have been jumped in on so many times. sometimes i wish we didnt do it, and other times i'm glad we did, but if it gets too bad we usually just log off.
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we've gotten jumped by TK a ton while in fights. i don't really care, not much you can do about it. we've also backed off of jumping in fights and we've jumped in also, it's pretty hard to avoid sometimes. we've run up on speed 6 and tried to actually turn away from an ongoing fight but one of our guys always ends up getting hit.. not much you can do
i won't even discuss tf. they jump us constantly, more than any other gank oriented guild out. and when they do jump us they pop bof/sos heh
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I don't know any of the alb gank groups. LA I can recognize from colors/names/rank, but albs are all the same.
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my experiences from the tk view.
we have had la add on us, we have had release add on us, we have had free rps add on us
when we have turned to avoid, there have been multiple occasions when the mezzer from the opposing realm gank group has screwed us.
when 7 people turn to avoid an 1 person moves to engage guess what all 8 are eventually goign to end up doing.
if annother gank group is in the middle of a big brawl with multiple other groups of their realm there *cough* free rps *cough* we definitely feel no remorse about jumping in
we run regardless of out ra status and try to avoid other groups. if you don't believe that, theres no helping it.
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I respec any guild that comes out and regularly RvRs as an 8 man group. Those make for much more interesting and challenging fights. If Treya doesn't cheat, hes an absolutely insane sorc, I can't tell you the last time we beat him to mez, he always seems prepared for it. Frec also deserves my respec. As for hib, Phel's group seems to be perfect for 8v8 and we always have good fights with them. I can't even describe the one at thimble the other night - crazy -.-
As far as jumping in, I agree with Anty 100%. TF (and sadly TK recently) have jumped in while we were busy with other albs on more then one occasion. Xarrio is crazy about interrupting fights, we **never** engage if there are already other mids there. Phel's group seems to be the same way - <3. I'm not saying how you should play, after all it is your money, but to me, that's what deserves my respect.
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When I fight you more than once per 30 minutes and both times without you adding in to an ongoing battle, I will believe it.
I give TK a lot more leeway than I do TF, though. Trust me. Just sucks that the only times I've seen you guys since basically school started for everyone (college here but of all age variety) it's with you adding in, or somewhere in breif and you hitting both bof/sos. Sorry that it leads me to think certain things -- it cannot be helped.
I'm still in favor of removing class unique ra's, or make certain ones available to everyone. Things like GP, SoS, BoF, BaoD should be removed, imo, but things like a bard's melodies or pally's faith heal should be available to appropriate type classes. There'd be less arguements, I think, as well as bringing more balance.
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Get rid of shadowrun too. Like wtf, way overpowered!
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I beat Treya a lot, adodi, and can tell you how. And I do it without amnesia half of the time...
...ghost mezzing or not, the thing is that you have to be aware and in position to start that mez, which she always is in.
Frec...omg...doesn't matter how fast I am, I mez his group and he mezzes mine. He always gets out of range for the mez and amnesia...if i target him, I miss his group. If i target his group, I miss him and he gets my group. About the only way I've found to beat frec is to start my ae and insta him, which I'm too prideful to do most of the time.
GP and SoS follow -- albs having the advantage when both are popped. If we played it better, though, SoS is beatable...
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every RA is beatable in my opinion, but adjusting your strategy in time is not always possible.
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I'm going to speak on behalf of my guild TF. Please remember that I'm not always in the TF group and online 24/7 so i can't account for every single battle that TF engages in.
Yes i know we jump in on battles a lot but you 2 other realms don't think about how many albs are in emain in the aspect i'm going to mention. If we sit and wait forever and a half to make sure we don't jump in on mid-fights we'll never make rps. Some other alb group will come along and leech rps. We are sick of the alb zerg and we try our best to make sure no one follows us but we've just gotten to the point where we will be in an 8vs8 and the alb zerg jumps in... so what do we do... we do the exact same thing when the zerg is fighting and leech rps from the zerg. 8vs8 is a rare oportunity these days and i enjoy the heck out of it when it happens. The only battle TF makes an attempt to stay out of is for a TK fight. Now i know for sure we have jumped into a TK fight a few times but it can sometimes be difficult to tell whether it's on a hill, trees ect... I have seen TK stay out of our fights and they are pretty good at it.
Now for those of you who really want the 8vs8 such as Anty. I love to fight LA 8vs8 but please, you can't be serious that we are just going to go sit off to the side and wait for you to med up and what have you... within 15 seconds EITHER 40 albs are going to be bearing down on you or 30 mids bearing down on my group. If you want to be professional about the 8vs8 lets take it somewhere where we know it's going to be just us and your group... same thing goes with Ashmir and his group. I'm sure we can plan 8vs8 time by conversing with each other on IRC or some other form of chat. I'm totally for that and i think it's a great idea. But if your just wondering thru heavily traveled spots you're going to be free game to whoever.
BTW, whoever implied that we don't roam when our RA's are down is retarded. We are always roaming around with RA's down and what have you. Yes we do go back to the APK a lot to rebuff if a few of us die to put us back on an equal level as the other main gank groups who have buffbots...
"I've seen TF blow ra's when they add in battle, too. I guess SoS is necessary when bard beats you to mez and has both groups mezzed. BoF, too."
My reply to this statement... I guess we just supposed to throw strategy right out the window... Also when we haven't seen anything but 100 albs in like 30mins-1hr of roaming, those active RA's become so enticing that we just see something and we are too eager to hit it because we are so bored...
Please try not to bore me with nonsense and "this one time I saw TF doing this..." crap... I enjoy intelligent dialouge even if it's well-thought criticism that isn't just a bunch of BS one-liner stuff. Anty's post is a great example. I am enjoying the post so far.
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Not many options you have against SOS. Basically the support is going to be taking the hits, and he most likely WILL go down. It's a matter of having MOC/PR up, etc. to hold out for those 30 seconds. Basically since the implementation of demez, there's no reason why mez should be a counter for SOS. This is because in order for SOS to go off, the Minstrel cannot be mezzed/stunned - which leaves at least one character in the Alb group to demez the rest. Not to mention the option of purging. Now that leaves the groups with a dilemma, you have a fg moving at speed5 and there's not much you can do about it. Try to heal through it, rez as much as you can, etc.
The way I see it, if you go up against TK or TF and they SOS/BOF x2 - you're not going to win if your RA's are down.
Welcome to the cheapest RA in the game :-\ Followed by the 2nd cheapest, BOF (and it's counterpart, BAoD which isn't much of a problem atm)
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Sorry, but I'll never use a 30-min ra when I have my enemy outnumbered 2-1.
And Gross, I'm not saying, "This one time I saw TF..."
I see TF all the time. /shrug
Same as situation with TK. I actually made this thread in response to the discussion that started on teh LA Video thread as a chance to hear from all about how they are feeling about this.
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I can count a lot of times we win straight 8v8 without BOF or SOS or both;
I can count a lot of times we win straight 8v8 with BOF or SOS or both;
Not to mention the times we have lost/won when our 8v8 opponents either use RAs or not.
I can count a lot of times we get jumped (accidently or not, i dont know) by another "regular gank group" (free rps, release, etc) while fighting another group;
I can count a lot of times we accidently roll up on another group who is fighting. Like Lind said, often times we will be pulling away and we get mezzed and forcefully drawn into it. There are many instances when we have successfully stayed out but there have been some we have been drawn into. Last 2 weeks in emain, predominantly, have been terrible for this, usually we run by and either get mezzed or have rr7 savages run straight for our sorc. In this situation we dont hesitate to defend our members.
If you think we only win with BOF and SOS you are mistaken, if you don't know it already you will know it eventually. If you think we purposely stick to zergs you are again mistaken. Overall, I think people should be glad that we are actively running 8 and shit often happens at mgs where more groups add.
I don't claim to be the greatest at this game, and I try to encourage guild mates to be modest. We still are one of the few guilds around that refuse to rvr with any more than 8 actively and we really do try to avoid the 80 other albs that tend to appear at mgs.
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See I don't really agree with TF's method of competing with the Alb zerg. They come in on your fights, so it's ok for you to come in on theirs? I don't think you realize that they don't CARE if you zerg with them, they're mindless and care about that little number that adds to their total in the top right corner of their screen. I, on the other hand, like to look at that number and have it mean something; to represent an actual accomplishment.
If you'll recall a few months back, RoC was the biggest zerg guild in Midgard. We gave them so much crap about zerging, and hey what do you know - now they're one of the most respectable guilds in Midgard. So yes, by not engaging and promoting the zerg - it does make a difference. If you truly don't want Albs coming in on your fights, try setting an example. Don't rush in and do it to them because you rushing in on them isn't pissing them off, it's pissing your competition off. Nothing bothers me more than dying knowing I was 100% powerless. There isn't a damned thing I can do to win that fight, skill is obsolete in those situations.
So maybe you should re-evaluate your methods if you really disagree with zerging, because in the eyes of your opponents and probably many of your realm mates - you ARE the zergers.
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I tried to play my friar on lance, but I sit at PK trying to get any sort of group that's not completely zerg. 
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Ashmir I have seen you jump in 8v8 fights plenty.
You can continue to argue over and over about this, but "NEWS FLASH" nothing is going to change on Lancelot with the current population.
This game is based around RvR, and until Mythic does something about it. You better just accept how the game is, or just deal with it the best you can.
Yes it sucks for the most part, but hey hit "cancel" if you don't like it.
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Take it for whatever it's worth Ash.
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"Welcome to the cheapest RA in the game :-\ Followed by the 2nd cheapest, BOF (and it's counterpart, BAoD which isn't much of a problem atm)
-Anty "
Of course SOS and BOF you guys think are overpowered.....cause you dont run casters. IF you ran 8 man caster group you wouldn't care at all about SOS or BOF, and then BAOD would be a big deal to you.
Tired of hearing mids gank groups talk about overpowerd RAs, when they run with the most over powered RA in the game cheap determination.
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Determination is by far the most powerful RA in the game...
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I was very surprised you said TK only rolls w/ RA's, which is just BS. I know for a fact TF does... Whenever i roll w/ them, after just about every good 8v8 they head to APK and take a 20-25 minute break. But TK keeps going strong regardless... So, Ash, you must just be pulling this out of your ass cause I see no reason for you to believe this...
But on a better note, I'm glad there's another RvR guild other than TNO on hib.
/salute Free Rps
LA/Release: Did the nerf do ANYTHING to you?
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I like to 8 vs 8 
Just not against FOTM overpowerd gank groups like LA/Release. Not gonna feed them RPS they get enough of that from the 100 other albs in emain at all times.
I will hit LA/Release with 16 as often as I can. Not feeding you all RPS like the other 100 albs in emain.
For the non hardcore rvr players its the only option.
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Download the new Catalyst 3.8 drivers Ahamade.
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Heh. cut the lame excuse that you lose to BoF/SoS.
TK run with 1 cleric and it's usually what normal Alb group has ... is ONE Cleric.
Hib/Mid has 3-4 Healer. Alb are fighting under handicap here and to think Alb have to get RA to actually compete is really sad.
I know alot of alb group have BoF/SoS Rank 2-3. It's what they get first. But I see you roll them pretty easy...so I don't see SoS/BoF letting them win at all.
LA/Release love to fight Zerg ..it's what they do in emain. Emain is zerg and ..that what they looking for. Hence that they alway at Gate. But yeah ..if TK/TF and try to pass Gate ..they would blame the "so call Alb zerg" ..cause now they actually die.
Avoid 8v8 is another story. It's hard because of Bard/Savages charging at us..with mez or pickout their first target.
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I did not say that TK sits at apk for ra's to come up.
I said I never fight them unless a) it's away from everything and their RA's are always up in this case or b) they add in on a fight i'm having with someone else.
Take it for what it's worth.
and yes, I jump in on fights a lot now. Used to I avoided the hib deathspam b/c I wanted to give enemy fair shot.
Screw that now. They don't care to treat me with same respect then I just go and assrape. Sucks but hey.
Fun convo. talk to you all tomorrow.
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this wasnt fun at all.
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Hold up hold up hold up. Is this all regarding EMAIN RVR??? cause if this is so all of you alb/hib/mid can't say shit to protect yerselves or talk about others. EMAIN IS A ZERG ZONE. Jesus you people have known this for 2 years yet act so odly when u see an alb zerg or a TNO zerg or miods zerg or whatever. IN EMAIN YOU CANNOT BE CERTAIN OF 8 VS 8 BATTLES. please stick that into your heads. you know its true so stop yer whineing. Shall i start complaining omg they have 2 healers and a savage, OMG BOF and SOS, OMG Group Purge OMG. mythic added ra's to the game, its been in the game for a year 1/2. Utalize them. Stop saying stupid shit liek ooo if it wasn't for SOS, you could not win, BOF is such hax, OMG 2 healers = 2 PR + 8 forms for instants from healers..... who cares
You cannot tell me you judge others based on skill for RVRing in emain. EMAIN IS A ZERG WAREFARE ZONE. lately i been seeing alot of pugs, mids or even hibs heading to brief cause emain is gay, deal with it. The reason you stay in emain is either A) yer rp whores (which i could care less if u are) or B) you enjoy the challenge presented by the zergs. IF your answer is B pls stop whineing, you know its a zergfest, go elsewhere.
Personally i enjoy odin RVR, most times its 8 vs 8 and quite fun. so pls stop complaining about ra's and blaming others, you know what your getting into when you port to emain, DUH! Remember back when KOS used to run gank group? i used to always say well we just killed them, cya in 1/2 hour when GP is up, wether this is true or not who cares, your using somethign mythic gave you to your advantage. If you think its so overpowered stop playign the damn game, roll another class, try real life, its actually fun!
And ps ash i donno about TF.... but tk does not wait for ra's, we port after a death, buff and go. if we kill u and u don't see us for 1/2 hour thats probably cause we moved to breif or gorge or something. Emain is a gay zergfest zone. it gets repeditive and boring so pls don;t accuse us of waiting for our ra's, i once used to accuse kos of waiting 30 min till gp is up, but thats not the case anymore.
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Ash you are a poophead. I used to have alot of respect for you I really did, but at this moment I'm thoroughly convinced that you have some sort of mental retardation or deformity.
OK where should I start?? I'll start with screw you Ash and I'll follow that by screw you Anty.
TK/TF nonsense has to stop do not put us together. There are players in TF that I respect and there are those that I do not, but that doesn't change the fact that they are a different guild with different policies and play a whole different kind of game than we do. If I see you put us together again I will cut off your nose and sew you in a bag with a wild animal.
Secondly RAs. Ash screw you because you are doing a damn dirty trick on the retarded peoples of the VNBoard by drawing a corrolation about your encounters with TK and our RAs. We have never and WILL NEVER postpone RvR for a stupid realm ability. WHY you may ask!?!?! Well I'll tell you why. Because I don't have that much f**king time to dedicate to waiting at a PK. It takes at least an hour just to get our groups together in the first place and then we RvR for a generally short period of time (2-4 hours would be normal) That's nothing compared to guilds like TF, Release, LA, etc. who run like 8 hours a day. I don't have time to wait for RAs and I won't do it.
Now onto this breaking into fights thing. Complete and utter nonsense. I've seen every one of your "holier than thou" guilds jump in on an 8v8 fight and you can suck mah salty ballz if you think I'm going to stand here and allow you to attack my guild for doing it unintentionally from time to time. If TK jumps in on a fight there is a reason that can be pointed to. Frequently when we see incoming our groups splinter because you see... we don't all have determination Anty you stupid toolbox. Often when that happens raiha decides not to engage and 1-2 or even 4 members decide to start fighting before they realize we have decided to back off.
On top of that happening sometimes we are obscured. Like the other day I ran at this group and it looked to be one full group. The person I clicked on was a norse. I broke off from group and started looking for the shaman and OMG look they are albs wtf. I wasn't only person to think it was mids either a;ojfa;isdfj stupid albs DIE!!! But we zerged one norse lol totally unintentional, but we did.
There is another aspect you are forgetting about as well. PUG GROUPS. Templar Knights runs pug groups (alot of times with Treya/Ararcyn/etc.) and Ararcyn...omg you are the most terrible MA ever -_- Anyway sometimes they engage and you see 2-3 TK emblems and you're like "OMG TK" but WTF it wasn't all us and we can't stop the rest of our group and decide fights especially when we're not leading the group.
And I'd like to ask you all a question LA/Free RPs/whoever. Do you engage me when I'm soloing in emain on my reaver? F**K YES YOU DO YOU KILL ME ALL THE TIME SO STFU. 8v1 is not fair... unless you're darkine omg <3 dark.
I'm so freaking angry at you right now Anty don't come in IRC right now or I'll ban you. come back tomorrow when I'm in a better mood.
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That's nothing compared to guilds like TF, Release, LA, etc. who run like 8 hours a day. I don't have time to wait for RAs and I won't do it.
Rofl, 8 hours a day, I wish -/. We are doing great at getting about 2 hours a day in if were lucky tho.
Edit: I meant Treya makes TF groups a lot better -=/
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"I don't consider treya a PUG, Treya makes TK groups a lot better. "
Since when Treya get in TK group?
So 1 TK in Aracryn group make it a TK group? hahah
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Someones been getting rolled...
and blaming it all on ra's... rofl
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^^ just the kind of attitude we love to see
when's the last time you beat us 8v8 with sos down?
*thinks for awhile*
i don't think i remember one time this has happened, coincidence? no.. probably not.
your ra's = your lifeline.
btw, tell stand to keep the rl threats to a minimum, ok?
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Heh.. LA haven't beaten us without some form of Exploit.
bu I think this say alot 
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Heh.. LA haven't beaten us without some form of Exploit.
Exploit? rofl! What kind of exploit are we talking about here?
bu I think this say alot
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What does this say? Xarrio has played Alb characters to r6 also, he doesn't have them in his signature because he sold those characters.
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I think what he's saying is... Savages = exploit -_-
I got a counter question for you malev
When was the last time LA beat TK without savages?
The difference is that our advantage is once every 30 minutes and yours is permanent...
You shouldn't get so upset when we beat you with SOS or BOF you have alot of giant advantages that you underestimate. And no I don't just mean savages. I mean instant PBAE disease that has no immunity timer and an 8 second recast timer. I mean spreadheals that ignore LOS, nearsight, disease, and are more efficient than regular heals. I mean the ability to still do good damage with three main healers in group. I mean Perfect Rez and Ichor of the Deep. I mean permanent endurance 5 with a 1500 radius. I mean the ability to put 3-4 high det tanks in the same group. But I mean... LA does do it with you in group so gotta give them props for that.
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Welcome to the thread of e-peen measuring.
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"Of course SOS and BOF you guys think are overpowered.....cause you dont run casters. IF you ran 8 man caster group you wouldn't care at all about SOS or BOF, and then BAOD would be a big deal to you."
BoF, no, but SoS owns caster groups. PBAE group? Kite in and out, no problem. Mid pbae groups using AOE stun/pbae get owned even harder by this. Direct nuker group? 9/10th of casters only method of defense (only real exception is a sorc) is QC root, which is worthless vs SoS. Stick a tank on each one and you can own them all within 30 seconds.
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I feel sorry for the folks that feel they need to win the respect of the vntrolls 
It really is sad...
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"You shouldn't get so upset when we beat you with SOS or BOF you have alot of giant advantages that you underestimate. And no I don't just mean savages. I mean instant PBAE disease that has no immunity timer and an 8 second recast timer. I mean spreadheals that ignore LOS, nearsight, disease, and are more efficient than regular heals. I mean the ability to still do good damage with three main healers in group. I mean Perfect Rez and Ichor of the Deep. I mean permanent endurance 5 with a 1500 radius. I mean the ability to put 3-4 high det tanks in the same group. But I mean... LA does do it with you in group so gotta give them props for that."
I wasn't aware that mid was the only realm with spread heals. We don't have nearsight in our group, i don't know where you pulled that from. You can put 3-4 det tanks in your group too, and you have the hardest form of end to kill. You get 1875 range mezz, ae str/con and dex/qui debuffs, spec af buff, the best speed class in the game, a ccer with a 179 delve lifetap (whose dumbass idea was this?), bof, sos, tanks just as good if not better than ours (mercs will actually swing more times per round than savages). Ichor does nothing vs bolt range mezz, PR doesn't restore buffs. Baseline 10dps damage add, conc haste, 60 second interrupting earth pets, 6-10s pbt, spec nukes on the same class. You don't realize what you have, and you don't even use all of your tools. The one thing you don't have going for you is disease. That's it.
And if i were you, after watching dathan's movies, i would really suggest you stop focusing on my skill, and focus on the performance of your own tanks.
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running lots of naturalist classes = good. i think our best setup is when we have 5 total naturalists (bard/bard/warden/druid/druid) and only 3 real damage dealers + our warden hitting for 80's
of course this setup sucks sometimes too, but overall it's been the best we've run i think
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Often when that happens raiha decides not to engage and 1-2 or even 4 members decide to start fighting before they realize we have decided to back off.
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This says something about your guild, and not a very valid reason. Once again, I don't care if you zerg - but don't claim you're anti zerg if you do. You know what we do if members decide to start fighting and haven't realized we're not engaging? We pull out, because when you're zerging someone - it's possible to pull out of the fight.
And yeah I put TK/TF in the same category because their behaviors regarding the very same issue I was discussing were similar (issue being running in on fights), but you'll also notice I broke off and stated TK as the only guild I've seen back out as well.
Determination is a very powerful RA, but all tanks get it. Spread heal is a powerful ability, but all primary healers get it. SOS is far more overpowered than a Savage ever could be. Granted it's for 30 seconds, but it's 30 seconds of virtual invincibility (if you die while you're SOS'd, I would consider you a pretty shitty player - means you can't handle moving away from a tank coming at you with speed 0, while you're at speed5). Follow that SOS up with a BOF, then another BOF right after - grats your group has negated any DPS the tank group had for 1:30. I don't see how you can possibly lose with SOS + BOFx2, unless your tanks just don't know what they're doing. It's not too difficult to keep support interrupted while you're running at an unbroken speed5 and to kill them. I've got a tactic when you are SOS'd that I see as flawless, and am pretty surprised no one has done it (or they have, but I've never seen it be done). Basically imo you should be able to kill any group within that 1:30.
Comparing the most overpowered RA in the game to the most overpowered class seems like an invalid comparision to me (hell the Savs got nerfed last patch and none of us REALLY know for sure if they're still gods without more testing). You can compare two classes, but really balancing out a RA with saying 'rofl you have savages' is bs imo. Sounds to me like you're just trying to come up with something to defend the cheapest RA in the game, when you really shouldn't - hell I never denied Savages being overpowered and it was a far more controversial topic. Any fool would be able to see the power of SOS and its potential effects on the tides of a battle.
I'd like to say SOS/BOF x2 = you win instantly, but we've beaten groups who have done it on us. Every time we have beaten them, they've done something wrong though. So I guess in a situation of:
8 Alb players with the exact same skill level as 8 Mid/Hib players (clones, if you will). If that Alb group SOS/BOF's, they are guarenteed to win.
Mids vs. Hibs I'd have to say is a tossup, and Mids/Hibs vs. Albs without RA's is still a tossup. I'm not going to get into Alb groups and how they can *gasp* function without RA's, but I definitely think (and have seen) Alb gank groups can kill Mid/Hib gank groups without RA's.
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NO other tank is able to produce the same results as a Savage.
Stop comparing the classes as if they match up, when they don't.
*I would much rather have 0 ra's and be overall better 99% of the time, then on the flip side better 1% of the time with group ra's up.
Take away all group ra's atm, and Midgard 8man groups would run all over Hib/Mid groups.
*I suggest that LA try playing a caster against a GOOD Mid melee group with savages in it.
Not only does TK usually run more then 1 caster (sorc is given) but 99% of all Alb groups do.
How many mids can say the same?
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"(I know treya is AD, but never see her outside of a TF group)"
ashmir, u must b blind then, i know ad and tf have same colors on their cloak, but it doesnt mean they're the same guild, if u would have watch more carefully u woulda seen that most of the time treya has 2-4more ADs in the grp cept him, and sometimes more, not my fault u dont notice salami , havvoc, iceraven, caludus or me. basically, u c 2tf cloaks- BOOM its a tf grp. gg ash
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Ash to come play on Hib MLF. That is all teh gank group there is.
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This is not a Team Deathmatch game, Its called an MMORPG...go play quake or something..
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<<, the best speed class in the game>>
omg, what crack have you been smoking?!
minstrels?! lol
skald is a 10x better speed class
especially with the new "buffs" they gave to them with this patch
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Gank groups have ruined rvr
the casual rvr'r cant compete anymore unless its a zerg, and thats plain boring
if your not High RR and in a gank group, you are pharm material
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I feel real sorry for the people just picking up this game and think it's about RvR.
Soon they realize if they don't run an 8 man group, have a class that fits in this mold, they are not needed/wanted and might as well delete.
I still can't find the 8v8 section of the manual, but I'll keep looking.
I'm not knocking the 8 man groups, by far the most fun I have had was running in 8 man groups that are well set up.
The problem is, I and most others, don't have this set group to run all the time.
So from all you elite guilds perspective, we should all just not play.
Had I known this game was not actually about RvR and about 8v8 deathmatches, I would have played a different game or at the least different classes.
I'm glad to know that the 2500ish people on at prime time are only here for the 32 people (4 respectable gank groups from an earlier post) who run gang groups to have something to do.
What is the acceptable number for us fodder to run in so we don't hurt you, but give enough of a challenge to be fun?
Maybe if we can get that number established there will be less complaining about zergs.
Also we should only be allowed to roam certain areas as to not interupt the "real" players fun.
Please give the 2500 fodder the numbers and space limitations so we can all go about the game and make sure we don't play outside the boundries you have set for us in order to maximize your enjoyment.
And thanks for playing DAOC.............
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I think it is kinda crazy to pull back and watch a big battle just because you want a 8 vs 8 fight.Thats like going out Drinking with 8 people when you get there, you see a good friend a fight breaks out he is geting the piss kicked out of him and you stand there wait no no dont jump in we would be zerging. As you can see LA can kill 3Fg and do it in front of apk so other mid groups sould stay back and let LA kill the zerg everytime while the rest of midgard waits at amg for the streys to come, I dont think so
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Adelaede hit the nail on the head. But no worrys Adelaede thats what I am around for
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down with gank groups!!
zerg those gank groups till they quit this game!!! :-P
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"tanks just as good if not better than ours (mercs will actually swing more times per round than savages)."
haha..Malyv is official a moron. Talk to your local savages guildies like Anty for more detail.
LA is bascially pathetic without Savages. Everyone pretty much know that.
TK run all sort of crazy group from non Det Hydrid(paladin,friar,reaver as tank) to all Cloths. It's fun, sometime it's really suprising that it work. I can't speak the same for LA ..they can't live without a Bugged Class.
Malyv keep mentioning my Vid ..even tho it's strictly for our IrC chat for fun with friends ...so I post it here one time.
Here how real alb group funtions.
http://web.newsguy.com/Skyliner/index2.htm
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Thought LA was playing Hibby's now? Wonders what happen w\ that .
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LA is bascially pathetic without Savages. Everyone pretty much know that.
rofl.... We would be doing the same exact thing with 2 warriors, 1 zerker 1 skald as our melee. We could say the same crap about you guys, TK is a joke without SOS. We did fine on our hibs, albs, and mids so you can't really say LA is a 1 realm team. We have ran with casters before... we ran with a BD for about 2.5 million rps, rm's and sm's.
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Would love to see LA run a group like deleted does. If they can kill 60+ albs in open field rvr with that group then you will prove you have skill. Deleted runs a warrior gank group and while they do well they cant take on the whole alb zerg with just their 1 group.
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"We have ran with casters before... we ran with a BD for about 2.5 million rps, rm's and sm's."
I'm laughing so hard right now.
We ran with a "BD" for 2.5 million rp's. <--- That's says enough right there.
Oh and the RM and SM thing you did like once?
Try running casters week in and week out... It's funny, but you guys not only have your high RR mids on Lance, but you have the exact same setup on another Mid server. <--- Once again that says enough right there.
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All These TF accusations are totally unwarranted. Anyone who has not actually run in our groups, can not say a thing. Its just your speculation. Also, anyone who has run in our groups knows a few things....a) We dont wait for RAs. We may, if more than 1 person dies in a fight, go back to APK to rebuff, but then we move right out again b) We consciously make an effort to stay out of TK fights, as we respect them and they do the same for us c) We are not concerned about jumping in any other albion fights, as they are not concerned about jumping in ours. If we stayed out of every fight that was already started, due to the sheer volume of people in Emain, we would have a very hard time finding any action at all. Its not easy at all running an 8 man group in an overpopulated realm. Everywhere you turn there are more albs.
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they beat the game on ezmode, they wanna beat it with super ez mode.
Sorry LA but there are no hidden cookies or easter eggs for you to find in the game. Once you beat it on ezmode its over.
Well I guess you could try playing on regular mode and play hib more, you already have the toons. Or even go and play on very hard mode and play alb. Oh wait you did play alb for awhile and after more then 1 year of playing were only RR6 and then decided you wanted to be on ezmode.
If LA could do what they do now with a warrior group then why did you roll a savage/zerker group? I remember olympic hitting me for 1400+ dmg. Never remember ghaletull hitting me for more then 500 dmg.
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Alb is far from hard mode.
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Cry more about savages please...
I will take a Mercenary with Prevent Flight over a Savage anytime.
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lmao merc against a savage?
maybe un buffed merc is better then savage, but buffed savage will tear a merc in pieces
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"(mercs will actually swing more times per round than savages)."
Yeah gg, but without the 63% or so haste the savage enjoys with celerity and his self buff, the mercs rounds are coming in at half the speed~
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alb is far from hardmode... just need good teamwork... and sos is basically an instant win if your group is good... take away SOS completely and I could go with you on saying alb can be difficult... but with SOS its so bloody easy for albs to win its not funny.
on the note of tf always having sos/bof up I was wondering how its ALWAYS up... so I guess if they sit at apk with cleric bot buffs/sos/bof up b4 they leave... that says something
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Or maybe a rabbit named Bugs.
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i had a cactus named toefield
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they always have sos/bof up because there's so many albs in emain they have 30 mins between fights -_-
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^^
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Aen is just so smart
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free rps stopped working hard to avoid alb versus hib fights after we had an entire afternoon where our only deaths where from ararcyns group hitting us mid battle.
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"Comparing the most overpowered RA in the game to the most overpowered class seems like an invalid comparision to me (hell the Savs got nerfed last patch and none of us REALLY know for sure if they're still gods without more testing)."
I comparison doesn't even need to be made because we agree on the following statements... correct me if I'm wrong plz.
Savages = Advantage
BoF = Advantage
instant PBAE disease = Advantage
SOS = Advantage
Advantage = Advantage
I compared the recast times on my advantages with yours. 8 seconds vs. 30 minutes & permanent vs. 30 minutes. Which is a valid comparison because we already agreed that Advantage = Advantage. Now if you want to turn this into a mathematic equasion you have to quantify a number system to evaluate the advantage provided by each advantage and assign them a number. Now I can't create that system because I wouldn't know where to start, but I can prove that savages > BoF in an Advantage/Hour scenario, assuming the spell in it's full duration is given a single value and not a value per second, in the following way:
BOF = advantage (x)(2) = z/hour
SOS = advantage (y)(2) = w/hour
Savage = advantage (a)(infinity) = infinity/hour
disease = advantage (b)(450) = c/hour
Now I can use this to form some VALID conclusions based on the information I have just provided by plugging in some numbers.
If the advantage value of 2 every time it is used and we account for the 8 second recast timer we have 450 uses per hour. now we get a value of 450 advantage points per hour 450 APH
Now if we assume that SOS provides us with the same EXACT advantage over time as PBAE disease does that would give SOS an advantage time of 225 per use. So basically 225 uses of PBAE disease = 1 SOS in the APH assumption.
Now we set up this same relationship between BOF and a savage, but due to the fact that savages have no re-use timer the equation looks like this:
1. Savage advantage (x)(infinity) = infinity
2. BoF and savages are equal in advantage
1a. BoF advantage (y)(2) = infinity
Now I don't think BoF has an advantage value of infinity, but based on this arguement... which is valid... savages do.
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owned.
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oh my.
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lol
pretty sad when you have to go to mathmatical equations to prove an obvious fact to people who are obviously thick headed
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GOOD JOB STAND
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F U all with your savage groups compared to bof/sos groups, OMG WHAT ABOUT THE HIBS? ARE WE JUST GIMP?
GP MAN GP!!
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Hibs are just in the middle Phel.
Doh...
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/respect for LA +X
i was in my guild group of 8 people and we say LA and another guidl group (dunno who it was) the otehr group engaged us in 8v8 and i watched LA look at us for a sec, then go away. but of course youc am back aftyer and wtfpwned us. =P i would say we did good though againest you guys (there also might have been 1 or 2 extra people, not sure) we lasted for a good time and almsot killed eitehr xar or anty a few times but 2 helaers + shaman or whatever you guys have + ubar assist = teh win.
BTW we killed most other groups 8vs8 and 8vs16.
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ardoi what happened to you is what LA excels at!!!
See if they see a fight, then leave and then wait till noobie middys are dead and then come and hit albs while medding then they can say hey we only 8 vs 8 and we dont zerg.
But in all reality they just wanted to be on super easy mode instead of easy mode. If they really cared about a good 8 vs 8 they should have left you for a good 10 min to move to apk and rebuff and move out again. I have seen release do this alot too. This is how they claim to only run 8.
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mythic to implement BG for RR1-4
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shut up ahamade, you have nothing useful to contribute to this discussion as you're just a zergling idiot who instead of trying to compete 8v8, cries and runs his mouth on vn all day long.
stand - what you said makes no sense as we rarely see you twice in 30 minutes.
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lol, this coming from a guy who couldn't cut it as a minstrel (THE BEST SPEED CLASS IN THE GAME, HIS WORDS) so ran to ez mode. twice.
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<Foxflight> My bologna has a first name, its F-R-U-N-G-Y.
<Foxflight> My bologna has a second name, its F-R-U-N-G-Y.
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Try again plz my arguement may be flawed, but simply saying "NAH UHH!! YOUR WRONG!!" isn't gonna cut it.
corrosive poop > malev
Aenus to come back to IRC and argue about hib w/ me
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Stand, your calculations would be incorrect. The magnitude of advantages vary vastly from SOS/BOF vs. Savages and PBAE disease.
You also set up an advantage/hour ratio based on these false stats, which in itself is once again flawed. By stating an advantage/hour ratio, you are assuming that fights are happening one after another after another - without break in between. A combination of sitting on pad, buffing at PK's, and the time it takes for us to run out and find enemies opens that gap in your timered abilities. If the gap between fights was 0 like you stated, maybe there would be a shred of validity - but there isn't. Not only did you fail to state a magnitude in the advantages, but you also provided a false ratio.
You also can't make a clear mathematical comparision between PBAE 8 sec disease and SOS, because PBAE 8 sec disease also has a cure which takes roughly 2.5-3 seconds to cast. This can be cast as many times as mana permits, provided the healer type isn't being interrupted (which in itself causes yet another complication in a mathematical approach).
When I saw you try to throw math into your argument, I laughed irl because I figured you were joking. Then I read on and saw you made a serious attempt at it...
Edit: I compared the recast times on my advantages with yours. 8 seconds vs. 30 minutes & permanent vs. 30 minutes. Which is a valid comparison because we already agreed that Advantage = Advantage. -------------- Wrong, you agreed with yourself that an Advantage = Advantage.
Edit2: I can go on for hours and pick your argument apart, but I'll end it on this note. Basically you are saying an advantage = advantage, but the magnitudes of these vary as there is no real scale for this to be measured on. It is a matter of personal interpreation. Also, while SOS/BOF are popped - the 'savage magnitude' would decrease because if you WERE to measure a magnitude for a savage, it would be based on defenses/DPS offenses. BOF and SOS both shatter the offense factor of the Savage, not to mention a big contributor to a Savage's "defense" are the seers he's grouped with. These RA's would also indirectly impact the Savage defenses, thus reducing its magnitude once again. All in all, it's impossible to come up with a remotely rational scale to measure this on.
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Albs can't run a group with 3-4 Det tanks in the standard hib or mid setup:
Mid
2-3 Healers
1 Shaman
1 Skald
3-4 Tanks
Hib
1-2 Bard
2 Druid
1 Warden
3-4 Tanks
Compare Alb:
1 Minstrel
1 Sorc
1 Friar (resists, secondary healer)
2 Clerics
1 Pally
2 Tanks
I'm wonder if any Albs have tried to just ignore mezz totally and replace the Sorc with another Det tank (for the tank setup, obviously the body sorc+theurg groups are another story)
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<Machin> #1 its comparing Apples and Cucumbers
<Machin> #2 its suppose to be a RA discussion.. unless im mistaken
<Machin> so you can only compare Ichor and PR vs. Sos and BoF
<Machin> everyone knows Albion has all the cream when it comes to the RA sundae
<Machin> Inversely, everyone knows Midgard has the best classes.
<Machin> So when do Classes outweigh RAs?
<Machin> ^^^^ The real question.
Once that question is answered... we will be righteous.
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"lol, this coming from a guy who couldn't cut it as a minstrel (THE BEST SPEED CLASS IN THE GAME, HIS WORDS) so ran to ez mode. twice."
you're flaming me for moving from the most overpopulated realm to the least populated (at the time).
what the hell is wrong with you ?:|
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Sounds like they want you back, Mal.
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Anty that post you made is complete and utter bullshit. It's really amazing that you could type that much and not say a single thing. I'm in awe what can I say.
Maybe if you read what I wrote instead of glazing over like a toddler in a crystal shop you could have grasped some of the things I said and come up with a valid counter-arguement. As it stands I think even less of you for attempting to BS me and the rest of the people reading this post into thinking you're even in the least bit aware what the hell is going on.
/rude Anty
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/wave anty
/wave mal
you guys need a healer?
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Hunter insta pet = Advantage.
Since Hunter insta pet doesn't necessarily have a reuse timer ( I can summon and have it forever ):
Hunter insta pet = advantage (p)(infinity) = infinity/hour.
Thus, it's clear that the Hunter insta pet is greater than BoF, SoS and Disease combined and is equal to the Savage.
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^ ahah.
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lol Vladi. Stand to come back with another mathematical formula.
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(F+U)/This thread = H8.
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Maybe if you read what I wrote instead of glazing over like a toddler in a crystal shop you could have grasped some of the things I said and come up with a valid counter-arguement. As it stands I think even less of you for attempting to BS me and the rest of the people reading this post into thinking you're even in the least bit aware what the hell is going on.
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You made an argument, tried to back it up with Math. It was blatantly invalid, thus making any conclusions such as "Now I don't think BoF has an advantage value of infinity, but based on this arguement... which is valid... savages do." invalid as well. I provided clear examples as to how you cannot take a Mathematical approach towards justifying that Savages are infinitely greater than any RA Alb has. Do you even know what infinite is? The actual Mathematical meaning to it. You cannot divide infinite by anything, it's undefined (just as dividing a number by zero is).
Next time you plan on trying to use Math as a valid approach at justifying a general statement, I suggest you provide some logical statistics. Granted the message you were trying to send could still be present, but it's weakened by your poor usage of Math.
On a side note, I also disagree with the overall message you were trying to send. Perhaps you will respond to me in a mature manner for once, and provide some actual examples - rather than "Anty you don't know wtf you're talking about, not even the slightest clue." Show me WHY I don't have the slightest clue, WHY I don't know wtf I'm talking about, and WHY the credibility of my statements can be questioned - and maybe your insults will actually mean something to me other than childish bullshit.
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Machin puts the FU in FUN!
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Vladimir ... I will meet you at the next Inner-Continental KGB galla...
Be sure to bring your arsenal cus we gunna raid the white house
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lol
Error: Only 1 message post per 30 seconds is allowed.
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LA trying to convince people their merit is fully skills?
Werent Release deleting the savages?!?
Lysergicc Warp,
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a valid arguement means that it's conclusion follows from it's premises. My arguement had a logical conclusion that followed from it's premises i.e. a valid arguement.
Just because you don't know what a word means doesn't mean it's wrong and certainly doesn't mean that I don't.
OH and BTW you'll get nowhere trying to argue against Advantage = Advantage because it's a basic principle of logic. I stated that in my arguement to assure you that I do not have multiple meanings of the word and to dispell any ambiguity in language.
"a = a" and you said "NO IT DOESN"T OMG"
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Perhaps Stand's calculations are not 100% correct, but it's close enough for everyone to get the point.
Great point Spifnar...
The answer for LA, roll some Albs and get RR10 on them. Then you can enjoy SoS and BoF for yourself.
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Wow this discussion is extremely dumb.
So I will respond to some of the comments made in this discussion.
"LA is bascially pathetic without Savages. Everyone pretty much know that."
When I made my savage, it was when the expansion came out, many said it was a "gimp" class and did not know how good it was. For those who say why dont you run warriors? Well if your class that was not overpowered when you made it became overpowered would you remake? I don't think so. Warriors are a great class, if I could instantly make a level 50 warrior and have it be high realm rank like my savage, I wouldn't hesitate to. The facts are that we made our classes before they were considered overpowered. When we came to lance way back when, people told us that we would be destroyed due to this was a PBAE server and casters ruled etc. We made our tanks that many considered crazy to do at the time. So what? We made it work and we are not going to suddenly remake because people feel its "overpowered" now.
"Thought LA was playing Hibby's now? Wonders what happen w\ that ."
We went to hib/merlin and dominated, beat the high realm rank groups and killed zergs. So you ask what happened, why did we leave? Some might "think" that it was cause oh no, we were not good enough, we must return to our overpowered savages! No, we left because hibernia became the zerg on the server and we would run around for 2 hrs and get 1-2 good fights that would be interrupted by hib zerg. We got 1 million rps in a couple weeks, it wasn't like we "sucked" or somethin like you may think.
"Would love to see LA run a group like deleted does. If they can kill 60+ albs in open field rvr with that group then you will prove you have skill. Deleted runs a warrior gank group and while they do well they cant take on the whole alb zerg with just their 1 group."
How bout you go make a merc just because some people feel an armsman is overpowered? Sorry we do not enjoy releveling, I was the 2nd level 50 savage on the server, and no one had any idea how they were.
"We ran with a "BD" for 2.5 million rp's. <--- That's says enough right there."
Thats why you see so many BD's dominating in gank groups huh? Everyone is making the BD gank groups everywhere? No. We ran it because we felt it was good for the abs buff and a good counter to bof/sos. The problem with the BD is they run out of mana extremely fast.
"they beat the game on ezmode, they wanna beat it with super ez mode.
Sorry LA but there are no hidden cookies or easter eggs for you to find in the game. Once you beat it on ezmode its over.
Well I guess you could try playing on regular mode and play hib more, you already have the toons. Or even go and play on very hard mode and play alb. Oh wait you did play alb for awhile and after more then 1 year of playing were only RR6 and then decided you wanted to be on ezmode.
If LA could do what they do now with a warrior group then why did you roll a savage/zerker group? I remember olympic hitting me for 1400+ dmg. Never remember ghaletull hitting me for more then 500 dmg."
Honestly, this has to be one of the only servers that feel alb is "hard" mode. I agree albs have it the hardest to make a solid pickup group, due to a set group needs a variety of classes. But once an alb group has a "set group" and RR5+, they have the best utility and can defeat any group, or few pickup groups with ease. Alb is not "super hard mode" it is just as easy, if not easier then the rest with a set good group. Hibs are also a good realm for a gank group due to they have very good survivability in a set group. Ahamade, I used to think you were cool, but lately you have joined the rest of the whiners. Probably you will be one of the people who will think this savage nerf is not enough due to we can still kill people!
BTW, do not even talk about us playing albs for 1 yr. A few of us played Albion, but not as a guild, that was not Lagged Again, I did not run the guild, or have a gank group there. And R6 at the time was huge, due to RPs were extremely hard to get due to 1. group RP bonuses were not in the game, resulting in low RPs per kill. 2. it was a small server. 3. the game was COMPLETELY different. Do not even try to compare the past of DAOC to now.
And we do not hit fights that are in progress, because I feel that it is their fight, and if they lose, they lose, and if they win, they win. Hell, its just emain, this isn't like people are going for relics and crap. This is just people trying to get RPs so it really does not matter.
Also, the only time that we might "sometimes" hit another group right after they fight, is if they are some group that has been hitting us during our fights, so we will hit them back. We usually give a group a few minutes after they fight, and if they happen to stay in that place for a few minutes, then they deserve to be hit up. You expect us to be like oh look the alb group that just fought, lets run by and hope they do not engage, to groups that would hit us up while we are fighting already double/triple our numbers? Ya okay Ahamade.
Tons of people cry things like, lets see you succeed with this group setup, or that group setup in this realm, or that realm. The fact is you can put any good 8 players and make a solid group, we are a small guild and play with the same people which makes us stronger. If you are a larger guild who runs with different people everyday, thats your problem. We do not have the time to remake all these different classes just to prove to people what we can do.
Flame on!
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"Would love to see LA run a group like deleted does. If they can kill 60+ albs in open field rvr with that group then you will prove you have skill. Deleted runs a warrior gank group and while they do well they cant take on the whole alb zerg with just their 1 group."
bleh we are just lucky
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No you see, you said "Savages = Advantage, SOS = Advantage". Then said "Advantage = Advantage".
That's like saying "dogs = animals", "cats = animals", therefore "dogs = cats". There are different factors which contribute to each 'advantage' in different ways. You made a statement based on false premeses, by trying to pass the magnitude of advantage off as equal. The basic fundamental Identity Property of logic does state that any variable must equal itself, but it also gets a bit more complicated when you are using the Transitive Property (a = b, c = a, therefore a = c). This is an accepted property in Mathematics, but you used invalid parameters for stating an equivalence in "a" and "b". The fact of the matter is the magnitudes simply cannot be measured, and the Transitive Property applies for numerical values. So saying 2a = 5b, 3c = 5b, therefore 2a = 3c is perfectly valid. Fact of the matter is that you are basically using qualitative data in this very property. You are trying to somehow measure the 'advantage factor' (which you have not specified how to calculate) and trying to make a comparision based on this. The very foundation of your argument is flawed, because there is neither a discrete or continuous method on measuring this factor. You are going by YOUR beliefs on how much of an advantage, and coincidentally *all of the things you stated match eachother with 100% correlation in their advantage factor*. That's your major fundamental flaw, not only have you placed a numerical value on something qualitative - but your premises are based on the assumption that the SOS/BOF/Savage/disease factors (which you also made up) are EQUAL to eachother.
imo you should stop now and realize that your approach on this problem is Mathematically ludicrous, and shouldn't use bullshit figures to deceive people. Did you really expect no one to catch on to this? Honestly, were you typing your argument out saying "I know what I'm doing" in mind? You overlooked some vital facts at the very foundation of your data and stated them, passing them off as an assumed "true". The fact of the matter is that due to the fact that you cannot quantitatively measure these values, a conclusion based on calculations is indeterminable - and more along the lines of opinion-based.
It's YOUR personal opinion that SOS = Savage = BOF = pbae disease. Just give up, there's no real way to justify made up numbers other than "they were constructed from personal opinion"
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hi guys need a healer ?:|
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I think Conclave is begging for a group.
haha
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It would make sense, Conclave
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xarrio, i respect u and anty as you all invented the savage rage. and while you dont beat your chest, anty sure as hell does.
I whine about savages becasue you cannot imagine the frustrations of logging into game wanting to go out and rvr and starting to see the savage spam. I hate to run with more then 8 but when LA is out in emain its worthless for me to run 8. I play this game after working all day. Its my way to relax and have a good time. That means good fights against solid enemys.
Being forced to either not rvr or run 16 sucks. And yes I am forced becasue i dont run in a set group of people like the gank groups do. We have random people in my groups and we hardly ever have a good run, but we still have fun so long as we have a good battle. And trust me fighting a group of savages is NOT a good battle, its not fun by any means.
A fun battle to me is a fight where either you win or lose you know both sides did well and gave it their all. When I see LA I know that I am gonna die so fast to 2 savages hitting me for 500+ every 1.5 second.
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I don't see how I am beating my chest? I've stated Savages as being overpowered for so long, it's ridiculous for me to even brag about owning on a char that's overpowered. Perhaps now things will change, don't know for sure. One thing is though, I want my success to be a result of my skill. Does that mean me rerolling? Not after I've gotten all the way to almost RR9.
And just fyi, it wasn't my choice to start a Savage. I came to Lancelot with three friends of mine originally wanting to play a Healer, but one of them was already a Healer. They basically told me "roll a berserker/savage or we will not group you". Yes these are my friends, and this is the relationship we have. Our relationship was based on RvR success over personal matters (but that isn't to say we never developed any personal attachment, as our time spent RvR'ing together was ample time to get to know eachother - I'm saying without RvR success, we wouldn't have known eachother in the first place). Regardless, I was more or less forced to play a Savage.
To you, Xiem, the only thing that makes LA better than the other Savage groups is the realm rank. You see it as a mindless/skill-less thing, just as I view SOS. But in actuality both of us are wrong, there are some pretty HORRID Savages out there. Just like there are some pretty horrid players who don't know how to use SOS to its full potential.
Once again, give me some proof as to how I'm beating my chest. Not going to say I'm "humble", but I'm also not going to say I run around talking shit.
Edit: I chose Savage when they weren't classified as "overpowered," but around the time I hit 50 they did become known as this. Also I chose Savage because I had never played a SI class up until that point (not even as a twink), and I wanted something new. I also found the styles to be more interesting and less mindless than spamming Double Frost all day.
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This the same Anty that was on IRC the other night flamming me saying i am a skilless piece of sh*t? And I know that LA started the Savage craze, but come on you gotta admit running savages gives you an unfair advantage
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I'm gonna start an all Hunter Doggie group. That will pwn.
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all this talk about alb ra's vs. savages.. where exactly do hibs fit in?
we suck vs. the ra's. i would rather fight a group with 3 healers, 3 savages, 1 skald, 1 shaman all rr10 than a rr5-6+ group of sos/bof. hell for hibs even pickup groups of albs with bof and sos can be a pain in the ass
most of the real good fights on this server for us are vs. LA.
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Anty still hasn't answered me. Or Xarrio for that matter
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anty "la never adds in a fight we were just finishing off 1.5grps or 2g of mids near apk, and la rolls us treya did not mezz u guys till u engaged. yea it happens 2 everyone just dont act like just bc your in la dont mean your are any dif from most of us.
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i still want an answer...you guys cutting in on my post and forgetting the most important part!!
HEALER LFG NEED ONE XARRIO?
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i always thought that Free rps was a very hard fight~
LW heros hurt
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The problem with most Hibernia 8 man teams is that they neglate the caster classes.
SoS and BoF really don't do jack when you have casters /assist, debuff nuking targets away.
Try running a balanced group...
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the funniest thing i've seen from Free Rp's was a day that I was getting beat up by 4LW tanks. They couldn't take me down and I still hadn't gone through any of my insta's. Our other healer was doing an incredible job of keepming me alive until one thing happened:
4 friggin moossesses came chasing me down.
Of course our healer couldn't keep up so I died. But just as they turned tailed and ran he PR'd me and it was my turn to keep him alive. Was pretty funny to watch hehe.
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The only one in this thread making any sense is Vlad.
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I laugh at most Hib groups that run around with 5 naturalist and 3 dmg dealers (all melee) and expect to beat a good group of Albs...
Perhaps that is best vs Midgard, but you need to run a balance group that can beat Albs & Mids.
3 damager dealers that are all melee will NOT cut it vs any good Alb group.
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My favorite set up from my guild on alb/merlin
Our grp set up:
name: "Wicon and crew"
1 fire wizard (me)
1 body/mind sorc
1 paladin
1 armsman
2 clerics
1 minstrel
1 reaver
Wicon runs pretty good grp's and he's a damn good pally.
(Mystic Council of Camelot) if you want to go look it up. My characters name is Phake. That imo is a pretty balanced grp. we dealt a lot of damage and we took a lot of damage.
as to what content this had to add to this post...i dunno, but i know its not an FOTM gank grp.
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Yeah Cutyy we felt the lag, looked over the hill and wham we were already on top of you. Was no way we could stay out of the 1875 range to avoid engaging, we had no other choice there. But as for TF, they often come in from higher ground and have us on target well before they reach 1875 range.
You'd be a flat out liar if you tried to claim that EVERY time you jumped us, it was because of the same LOS problem we experienced.
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Who are we kidding, the best Alb group is obviously 2 Minstrels/2 Clerics/4 Wizards. Wipe 5fg zergs once every 30 minutes :-\ Pop SOS going into fight, pop VP going into fight, Wizards MOC and PBAE in the center with BOF up - Clerics heal with SOS up.
Minstrels can uh AE mez and demez too omg :-\
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bolt range mez pwnz. wish i had bolt range mez. 
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we don't have 4 lw heros. right now we only have 2, and may have less than that soon. some of us are considering trying CS and one already respec'd to it.
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<--Spear now.. It's a nice change from Lw.
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omg: CS will make me REALLY cry! least i know you wont be spamming anhialation
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anty what hill? The fight was in the centre woods near apk the only hills around there are the zone walls and the hill by amg. I didnt say we never do You said u guys never "join in". Gnight cu again 2morow
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"I laugh at most Hib groups that run around with 5 naturalist and 3 dmg dealers (all melee) and expect to beat a good group of Albs... "
And yet...we.....do....
Sine you play in alb, you dont see the full problem with casters atm.
All alb groups with run sorcs now, so people are used to seeing them and dealing with them. But if a hib group runs a caster or 2, that caster WILL BE THE FIRST TARGETTED NO MATTER WHAT, and have 3-4 tanks on them. Also, half the fun of a gank gropup is zerg crashing. When you hit a spread out zerg with 3 tanks, 2 casters, 3 naturalists, you expect al ong fight, but at the same time, casters will have someone on them the ENTIRE TIME. They are only useful for 15 seconds, from the start of moc, to the finish of moc.
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"3 damager dealers that are all melee will NOT cut it vs any good Alb group. "
Does that mean theres no good alb groups on this server?
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"Does that mean theres no good alb groups on this server?"
DING DING DING! WE HAVE A WINNAR
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stand: Try re-reading what I said. I never once said that TK waits at apk for ra's to come up.
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I merely suggested that I haven't had an 8v8 with TK that their ra's weren't up in a long time (6 weeks-2 months probably, until tonight). What I do notice is them adding in fights during these inbetween times. The conclusion I would draw from this is different than you, apparently.
The conclusion I draw from it: you stay close to another group or the zerg until your ra's come up, THEN you goto breif/gorge. That's what I would think. You owned us a couple of times tonight, in breif or gorge (with ra's up) and we beat you a couple times (when yours were down, I'm guessing, as u didn't use them). So perhaps the conclusion I would have drawn is false.
If I lose your respect from you misinterpreting something I didn't say, then I don't think that it was a big loss.
TF, on the other hand, I might say actually say about them what you were assuming I was saying about you. But I won't. I don't think anybody sits anywhere waiting for ra's to come up...
...but they might play it safe and hang around other groups until they do.
Chew on that.
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>>"3 damager dealers that are all melee will NOT cut it vs any good Alb group. "
Does that mean theres no good alb groups on this server? <<
Open your mind, Josh. I agree that balanced hib groups are better vs albs - I'm a huge proponent of that, in fact. However, we can't (or very rarely can) beat mid groups with them. In contrast, our melee groups are very good against mid groups and don't suck against albs. The only time they do suck against albs is when albs use bof.
SoS sucks no matter what you are running.
What Hola said is true. We beat very good alb groups often with the 5 nat groups. Skeltah wants to run some 5 nat KoS Groups. I'm still in favor of the balanced groups, as they are the most fun in general...
...but the second LA or Release come out, put the casters away and get out healers/tanks.
We don't have sos to run away with or BoF to make us have 60% absorb. We can just purge their mez b4 they jump on us and break our mez anyway...
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"You owned us a couple of times tonight, in breif or gorge (with ra's up) "
Wrong! Ash ..just cause you lose you assume we use RA? You guy don't have Group Purge so you'll lost and we didn't BoF or SoS. Ask your tank.
More like Hib group can't do anything without Group Purge.
We decide that we didn't use BoF or SoS tonite to see how Alb classes like. All the Battles Tonite with LA/Free Rps/other Hib group were Basic fight with no BoF or SoS involved.
You can ask LA ..we fought them 3 times ..even with BoF / SoS up ..we didn't use it.
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yes you killed us in breif/gorge i think once or twice. once you got a huge, huge mez on us from the side. flanked us hard and we lost badly and deserved to.
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"We decide that we didn't use BoF or SoS tonite to see how Alb classes like. All the Battles Tonite with LA/Free Rps/other Hib group were Basic fight with no BoF or SoS involved.
You can ask LA ..we fought them 3 times ..even with BoF / SoS up ..we didn't use it."
And it wasn't pretty.
All this talk about how you guys do just fine without ra's.. that didn't seem to be the case tonight.
It's funny how much a few ra's turn the tide of the battle, eh?
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You used SoS in 2 fights in breif that you won. One fight in breif you won without having to use it.
You used BoF in one fight (that we won, though we had guards helping). You also used SoS there.
Who cares about GP? I certainly don't. In our tank group set ups, GP rarely makes the difference b/w us winning or losing. Det 4 or 5 + 24% resist buffs + sc'd suit = unmezzed tanks. 2 bards to cure the druids. That's assuming I lose mez in the first place.
I never ask the group if GP is up. If I lose mez, it's only a matter of time before a tank unmezzes me. If I don't lose mez...then there's nothing to GP, is there?
Not because I lose do I assume you used anything. I observe the battle going on around me. When a tank is running faster than I can sprint, whom I just mezzed and watch a druid root him as he's running toward me...and watch multiple tanks do that...
...I know what's going on. I always ask the tanks if BOF was used after the battle. Generally, it's easy to tell from the lack of killing that goes on.
BTW, is English your primary language? I am having trouble understanding what you are saying often and have to reread it several times to make sure you aren't saying something else. If it isn't your natural language, then I wouldn't insult you. If it is, then make more sense.
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The time you won on the ridge in the trees you blew RAs on us and we didn't even bother using ours (and they were up). Do I care that you used RAs? No, I thought it was a good fight anyway.
I will correct you and say that the time we won in brief as you were going to run up the bolg was a non RA fight.
Also the one fight where we killed each others rezzers was an RA fight from both hib and alb side.
Bottom line I suppose, RAs are in this game and there are ways to defeat them. In 8v8 battles sadly enough whoever has RAs up has a huge advantage. That's probably not going to change any time soon.
In regard to "rolling with zerg" while RAs down, it is BS. I am sure Phel has told you this. We ran around Briefine and Emain with RAs down after our stalemate fight (you guys didnt come back for quite awhile) and kept at it with other Hib and Mid groups. I don't see how you can make judgment about this sort of thing when you fight us once and then don't show up again for extended periods of time.
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Whatever get you through the night Ashmir. We didn't use Bof or SoS tonite.
No english not my primary.
Edit: Ashmir, I just talk to Raiha ..and that fight was all in your favor. Purple guards on us ..we fight near bold and I got LD. So ..I know for fact we didn't use bof or SoS at all tonite ..except that one fight I was LD (wasn't there)
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>>I will correct you and say that the time we won in brief as you were going to run up the bolg was a non RA fight. <<
No, you didn't use ra's there. You didn't need to. You flanked us hardcore and raped the everyloving crap out of us. Nor is this the time I'm talking about.
>>Also the one fight where we killed each others rezzers was an RA fight from both hib and alb side. <<
Yes, it was. Once again u got a hardcore flank. I saw you guys but couldn't Y(*&^)&^ing target to mez -_- Was a great battle. But you just said you used ra's...what did your faithful comrad say about tonight?
>>Whatever get you through the night Ashmir. We didn't use Bof or SoS tonite. <<
Eat your words. Raiha just said that you did.
Back to raiha
>>The time you won on the ridge in the trees you blew RAs on us and we didn't even bother using ours (and they were up). Do I care that you used RAs? No, I thought it was a good fight anyway.
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I noticed that you didn't use your ra's. I didn't know that we used ours (I used melodies, but I don't know about GP -- i was never mezzed).
That is a nice ambush spot when I am driving. I lag hardcore going up hills, so have to pan camera in a certain way to make it up at decent speed. I didn't know u were there till I saw spell effects. I hit f8 (camera panned poor angle to target) and sure enough, there were enemies. I cast an ae mez or 2, landed it, then had stuff on me. I eventually got end off and we won the battle. Was a great fight.
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We only fought LA twice today and once they were all mez immune.
Considering we were running a caster group against savages with det 5 I was satisfied with the results. There is a reason some Mid guilds don't run casters or warriors, maybe it's because they don't want to be challenged. Anty's comment struck me as odd, "roll a savage or berserker or we won't group you." I think that attests to the lack of desire of challenge in the Mid mindset. Why exactly didn't they want anything but savages or prenerf berserkers? Who knows.
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Dathan means we didn't use sos or bof in a fight other than the stalemate fight against you guys in breifine.
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>>We only fought LA twice today and once they were all mez immune. <<
Add-in battle, anyone?
Sorry I couldn't resist.
Same thing happened tonight when I ran out once in a KoS group (OMFG). Only 5 guildies + 3 pick-up, but was close enough to be KoS group.
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Add-in battle, anyone?
Sorry I couldn't resist.
I imagine you couldn't. Actually they were the ones who got the jump on us from behind, and they had just been near APK
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You see, I didn't get that from what he said. He said, "we didnt' use them at all in fights vs LA/free rp's/other hib groups". I would assume that he means you guys didn't use them.
Am I wrong in interpreting it that way?
I can't believe we *won* that fight that you and I are referring to, either. Such a huge flank on us + the ra's. Yay for the three tno guards. Fgt guards invalidated our victory.
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>>I imagine you couldn't. Actually they were the ones who got the jump on us from behind, and they had just been near APK <<
Damn them! How do they do that so fast, I wonder? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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ashmir, seriously, i don't understand why you continue to try to instigate this kind of bs. you do it all the time between release, tf, kos, tk, la, etc. its either because you are very bored, or that you are truely a prick (which i am beginning to believe more and more). cut the crap with that "i used to respect you, but i don't anymore because...". it really doesnt advance anything besides a pointless flamewar on who has the bigger e-penis in a fictional game based on a fantasy world.
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hi euphoria!
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Actually, this was instigated by 3 things:
a) the thread about LA's video, where ppl were talking smack about TF and TK. I had similar thoughts to what they were saying, and wanted to hear from the accused, and thus started this thread. I figured the other comments would be lost in that thread.
b) Release's chest beating about how they wtfpwn everyone when basically all they do is jump ppl mid fight. [this in response for some of the things I started in the past about Release ~ they really are garbage, btw]
c) Frec. Dude struck a nerve when he talked about KoS "avoiding" fights -- and now I experience things that seem contradictory to what I thought TK was. Seems hypocritical. [other tk joined in with this lobby]
If I'm a prick, then I'm a prick. If you're a worthless zergling, you are a worthless zergling. If you are a member of a gank guild, then you are a member of a gank guild. If you are defending your realm, you are defending your realm.
Say what you are and do it. Don't say you're something u aren't and do what you are. That's what bothers me. Especially when you talk smack first.
Seems to me like TF and TK are nothing but rp whores. I guess I am the same. I like good fights alot, but I guess that the only reason I play this game is to develop my character. To do that, I need rp's. To get rp's, I do what I do. You do what you do. The difference in me and you is that I'll say what I am:
I'm an RP whore.
[Edit: And if I had SoS and BoF, I'd use it, too!]
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And yeah, i'm bored. I'm quite bored of this thread for now, so I say good night to you all and will check back tomorrow.
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Hi,
I'm a worthless zergling gank grouping prick who defends his realm.
So much H8 and so little <3.
We need Beib to spread the <3.
p.s. Welcome back Sodie!
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I'm not gonna get into the whole TF/TK/KoS/Free RPs/LA/Release/Alb Zerglets ego wars, but I will mention this one word to the various people whining about 8v8 mentalities and saying the game is about realm vs realm wars: Population. 8v8 becomes the appealing and logical alternative when zerg vs. zerg is no fun, since albs will always have a 3x larger zerg.
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Keep him away from Foxflight, he eats them.
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we won more fights against you (ash+crew) without using ra's than you did against us ?:|
oh btw, before you start to accuse (wrongfully) us of jumping in on fights, 8v8 or otherwise, look in the mirror. since when do 3 grps of hibs fighting 1 grp of albs need your help sir ?:|
and before you accuse us (wrongfully) of waiting on ra's, please appear yourselves in a shorter time period than what it takes for your ra's to come back before some ppl make that same "mistake" about you
and stop releasing before i can spam hug you
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You must be rather uneducated in Emain terrain then :-\ As you run along the road from AMG to APK, there is a slight hill along your left right before you hit goborchends. Had you been fighting further down towards loghery men or even towards the zone wall with the fachans, we would've seen you. But the moment we came over the little hill or "hump" we were already on top of you - because the fight was taking place RIGHT over it.
Edit: This was directed at Cutyy
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I did notice TK not using RA's last night. We ran into them a total of 3 times, two of them were total bs. Twice we were already mez immune from a previous fight (no TK didn't rush in on it, we were already stuck up and moving when we engaged). imo Alb groups do fine without RA's, the BOF and SOS just make it a 99.99% win :-\
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Phel,
I'm sorry your casters are not able to dodge the savage bullet, but it can be done.
I usually do it most of the time, minus sometime last week when I died like 2x's a battle cause I was just sucking, heheh.
We have beat some good mid gank groups without bof and sos with 3casters in the group. It can be done, it's just a challenge.
Mana eld would bring a lot of utility to the group (ae str/con debuff & ae disease!).
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8v8 in emain at prime time is almost impossible, there are just too many running in one circle all trying to get their names lighted up on a kill to make it possible. I always prefered 8v8, and in the mornings often this is possible, but in the evenings, forget it in Emain. Why not do this, have all 8v8 groups go to mid or alb, serious 8v8 shouldn't mind the trip and overall most zergers just don't frequent the area, if all serious 8v8 do this, perhaps RvR can be more fun.
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Beib:
a) yes, the day was yours yesterday. You beat us more than we beat you.
b) yes, I jump in fights all the time now. I have had hit happen so much that I do it now to every alb guild *and* release. I made this vow b4 KoS left the server when TK did it multiple times in a day. I deemed then that you were nothing more than an RP whore, and other than deleted, that leaves no other guilds that have it. I certainly don't -- not anymore.
c) the fight in the gorge -- we were on our way to emain and hibs were losing. I put up end song and sat down. I found dead frec and cried at him then sat down again. Noticed you and you released b4 i could hug u. The funny thing was that Gannd got two tells immediately:
hib1 sends, "Thought Free RP's didn't jump in fights?"
hib2 sends, "Thanks! We were down to 4."
Heh.
d) It takes 15 minutes to run to emain. This does not include time to port over from domnann, get stuff from vault, buff and relogs. This does include stopping at bolg to rebuff. It also does not include ppl who fall off AF (long run) or LD on the way -- which on a day like yesterday happened every freaking run. When you have to make that long run and you have bad luck (the falling off of af and ld) you grow quite frustrated. Often, ppl will go afk b/c the run takes so long. Then we get ganked at the foot of one of our keeps heh.
Not a whine. I realize it's 8 min port + all the same things, but I'd take the port over the run. Plus, you have buffbot at pk. If someone dies, we have to run all the way back to ligen for buffs, or otherwise run from ligen to bolg or crim without buffs and place one there. Usually, our most dangerous fights are the ones b4 emain so that isn't an option.
As I've said now 400x, I don't think you wait at pk for ra's to come up. I just don't think you venture very far from help when your ra's aren't up. Yesterday you proved otherwise, sort of. More RA-less fights in teh gorge or teh breif for teh win, plz.
Josh, one of our naturalists *is* a damage dealer. 5 Naturalists, one of which being a melee-warden, does better than 4 naturalists + 4 *real* tanks. We beat TF and TK alot when their ra's are down, both of which I consider to be more competent alb groups than the dox groups that you run in (and that I have run in). Not a slight at DoX, btw. TK and TF are good groups.
Of all ppl you know that I am in favor of casters. However, ignorance from 90% of the people that are good enough to group with 8v8 does not allow that. And when we do get some casters, most people are so rusty on them that they don't do well and thus won't play them again.
Best group(s) I've ever been in were the balanced KoS Morning groups. The second best would be the free rp's tank group, followed by the kos pbae groups and then kos tank groups.
Balanced group > all.
Amante -- I have more fun busting zergs than an 8v8 fight, thus porting is not exciting to me. Other 8v8 feel the same way, I think, and there's more RP's to be earned busting a zerg than having a good fight. RP whores will go where there are rp's.
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when an alb/lancelot player can make 400k a week we can talk about not jumping on fights going on, this discussion has no sense considering the alb lancelot zerg etc except between gank groups and i still have my doubts since i cant be rr10 to compete so fast like others do. While LA can find 5 8v8 battles in an hour TF can barely find 2.
I wont go deeper in this explanation since anty already said he understand the situation lol..
Pathetic
Why to lose my time like stand did trying to explain so obvious points to people that arent pondering? I doubt if the LA kids are reading these posts since all i see are they screaming that they are the best daoc players ever lol
No, you are not, its not Ultima Online.
Maluv, its cool when RAs turns the tide of the battles eh?
I cant believe albs tried to do it without RAs, did u tried to do it without savages?
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Latest whine: You used RA's
haha too cool
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a) ash
b) ok least we are aware what to expect now whenever we meet you or hear you are near. pity :/
c) hibs weren't losing, trust me
spam faster omg /hug
d) We ran breif/gorge most of the night, takes longer than 15 mins to port buff and move through amg in one piece to get there. how long does it take you to get there and not emain?
If someone from our grp dies and (if) we decide to go to pk to rebuff them, we have to run back to emain, through amg, through other hibs, through mids to get to apk alive ourselves.
This is if everyone is with grp and not LD, logging, afk etc.
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"I just don't think you venture very far from help when your ra's aren't up."
Not true. Yesterday the only change we made to what we did was lessen our use of ra's. We ran routes we always ran etc.
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LMAO beib stex is ur vin diseal? WTH!! what am i? /cry IRL!!
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ahamade, u are my russel crowe
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Ok, it seems to me that most people think that all that should happen in RvR is 8 vs 8 battles. People seem to be missing the point that the realms are at War. War is not 8 vs 8, it is kill the enemy anyway possible.
This is one big pissing contest between all of you "gank" groups. If you want 8 on 8 or something, go back and play counterstrike or something to that nature.
I almost fell out of my chair when I read that someone said it "wasn't fair" to hit a group just out of battle....
Well, it is fair for an 8 man group to come up and roll a single player? When is the last time you saw a group stop and let one person challenge them? Doesn't happen because it is an easy kill.
Maybe all you criers of the zergs should get your own realm more involved.
THIS IS WAR!!! There is no fairness in war you cry babies.
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Ash..
If that setup works for you, go head and continue to run it. Overall, that group is still gimp compared to a group that would do so much better with the right players & classes in place.
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i like our setup. yeah sure, a mana eld or something would be useful, but:
1) we won't level anything again
2) we don't recruit
3) we don't care that much
we do just fine with our setup. we beat the alb gank groups, we lose to bof/sos often yeah.. but then again, even mid gank groups lose to bof/sos so it's hard to care that much.
our setup work well vs. mids. like i said, our best and closest fights are always vs. LA. we lose, we win, but it's always close and long
and yeah, it was shown yesterday that albs can do fine without ra's. so when you do pop those ra's, it sends you way, way, way over the top and everybody here knows it.
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oh and btw, the reason why we vanish from emain sometimes is because we have to run all the way back to DL to rebuff due to a great respec idea by phel and our lazyness to put a bot at bolg.
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Smytes Alot, you'll notice this thread is directed towards the Gank Groups on the Lance server. Not zerglings, all of us here realize people have the same mentality as you do - but we don't. This thread is directed towards a small population of Lancelot. Thanks for your irrelevant insight though!
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what does sharpshooter in the pooper mean
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"we won more fights against you (ash+crew) without using ra's than you did against us "
No offense, but beating us twice in breifine where we had afks and not everyone was fully buffed should NOT be counted a real victory.
"We have beat some good mid gank groups without bof and sos with 3casters in the group. It can be done, it's just a challenge. "
Have you beat LA with the group? No?
Caster groups CAN be done x, the problem is the healers. I can keep up with savages on healers (most of the time), the problem is, only until my first bar of power is out. MCL, bps, and power potion recast timers kill casters. I mainly use single targets with casters anyway, since they are more pow conservative, but even than, once you have to hit mcl or whatever, the caster is DEAD.
"Ash..
If that setup works for you, go head and continue to run it. Overall, that group is still gimp compared to a group that would do so much better with the right players & classes in place. "
X, your opinion is valid, but honestly, dont say another group might be better.
For example, when was the last time you saw a caster group take down 4g+ in a huge fight? I enjoy the long group versus zerg fights of mellee group, 1 group pbae spending about 15 seconds to kill an entire zerg never seemed that amazing to me, especially since if the fight was prolonged caster group was simply DEAD, because they couldnt keep it up forever.
There are very few casters that can actually excell in those extremely long zerg fights that gank groups have to have more and more. Hib actually has the best one (IMO), the animist, but still, it's hard to keep the animist alive against another good gank group.
Honestly my perfect group would be something like: bard, arborial animist, creeping path animist, bm, hero, hero, druid, druid, bard. (or a phelabard and 1 druid, for 2 mid battle mezzers 2 mid battle rooters or something).
I think casters ARE making a comeback now that people are getting smarter with defending against tanks (no gank group can survive without good roots now, and disease is turning so many battles in midgards favor its insane) and new caster abilities (earth theurg pets would get owned fast by one ae dd, but against a mellee group they destroy), but the game hasn't progressed enough to really make running casters work consistantly.
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Beib, I agreed with everything you said until..
"d) We ran breif/gorge most of the night, takes longer than 15 mins to port buff and move through amg in one piece to get there. how long does it take you to get there and not emain?
If someone from our grp dies and (if) we decide to go to pk to rebuff them, we have to run back to emain, through amg, through other hibs, through mids to get to apk alive ourselves.
This is if everyone is with grp and not LD, logging, afk etc."
As hibs, having to do this over and over and over again...its not fun. Also, I'm sure you have people take afks while waiting for ports. You HAVE to go back to the real world some time, if just for brief periods. Preying on groups when half the members are afk is not fun, thats just rp whoring.
And also, you have all those nice RA's, faith heal, soldiers barricade, volcanic pillar, and the great BoF and SoS.
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Yes my want for a Mana Eld goes up everytime I'm diseased...and goes back down as soon as they get mezzed and killed right off the bat.
Shamans have pbae disease and chain armor..
Cabbies have BoF and SoS...
In hib our disease guy goes down in 2 seconds flat.
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Now everything becomes VERY clear.
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"If that setup works for you, go head and continue to run it. Overall, that group is still gimp compared to a group that would do so much better with the right players & classes in place. "
Xear, I'm interested in what group with the right players would be better, in your opinion.
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slut group, bye.
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"Slut group, bye"
Ding, Melk wins.
Hibernia has a few classes that I just refuse to leave out if I was to create a true "Gank Sqaud".
That's including casters...
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I don't get the "slut group" concept.
I'm looking for the 8 classes you would put in a hib gank squad, if you don't mind saying.
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yes i'm curious too. you aren't telling us things we don't already know. we know that casters vs. alb ra's is better than our setup by far.. but who cares? i'm concerned with the overall picture. so enlighten us as to what class setup is better OVERALL. this includes vs mid zergs, alb zergs, mid gank groups, alb gank groups.
where we suck vs. alb ra's, we do good vs. mids. where casters are good vs. alb ra's, i believe they blow against det 5 savages and tanks. considering i have a savage, the only hib groups that gave us any trouble were tank ones. casters are one-two round material to one savage if lucky.
our setup has it's weaknesses for sure. but i think the benefits of it far outweigh the negatives
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Everything you said is pretty much true, especially concerning low to mid realm rank hib groups like you guys are running.
The all around most powerful groups we ever ran were definantly the balanced ones ashmir is talking about. But this all falls back on both our casters in the group being over rank 10. This made a huge difference in survivability and dmg output.
When our A balanced group was in top form, we could rape any alb group. Period.
And on the other side, we won more against Release with our casters than with our melee group. Never fought LA, have never played on lance when they were around. So I dont know the results.
But pound for pound we held our own alot better running: 1 bard, 1 druid, 1 warden, 2 Heros, 1 bm, 1 eld, 1 chanter. The healing output sounds gimp on paper, it just worked becuase our dmg output was so great.
My weekly IRS on my Eld the last few months I played him was between 6.5-8 k. My Hero during the time I played him was usually 4-5 k. So even being a caster in paper armor, my groups did so much better.
Im definantly in favor of running your guys setup if I wasnt playing with incredibly high realm rank casters that played day in and day out who were on top of their game.
So generally speaking your right, its just not optimal.
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I wonder what I would name a pet platypus? I bet they make nice pets.
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Nice name! Plato!
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How about Phelankell the Platypus?
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"If that setup works for you, go head and continue to run it. Overall, that group is still gimp compared to a group that would do so much better with the right players & classes in place."
This is funny..
They do a hell of alot better vs us than kos tank groups -ever- did.
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melk, remember how much of a struggle it was to get you to get on your eld?
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Because I dont like playing my eld 90%
if im going to play him I have to play him full time, not alternationg off a hero and him.
And maluv, fighting shitty pickup KoS groups dosent really count. The times LA has been on the server we never had a set group running...ever. Ive fought you guys like a total of 3 times.
Granted our melee groups were never great imo, above average but never really got into that groove.
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Back then KoS only did morning groups really.Back when you guys played the balanced group.
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Xear to respond with his group setup.
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Slut group was sweet at raping PUG's at 10 am est.
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I most definately agree that a proper mixed group is the way to beat albs... but to counter mids imo its better for a meele group ( especially with chanter nerf )... problem is finding the right people so hard right now....
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All I can say is I love the group setup we run and it's for the best overall.
To beat mids you have to setup a way to beat perfect rez and savages. Casters won't do it because they just die too quick. We fight against mids very different than albs and it isn't rocket science how to beat them, you just need good people that work together.
Albs are a completly different story. Yes we arn't set up to beat groups like TF but we came up with something today that made our only battle come out with a win.
Which comes down to we run a setup that works good against mids, good against albs except for one guild. I'll take that anyday.
As far as SoS/BoF...well we usually just laugh. Really we start laughing in /g as they blew thier loads before we even engaged them.
These realm abilities completly take all skill out of the game but whatcha do, I won't say anything more on it.
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Hola, Ghettoo -- the group that X is talking about IS the group melk is talking about.
The difference b/w rr10 and rr7 casters: mom3, wp3, mota3 vs mom2, wp2, mota2 + (moc, purge, mcl2, rp).
Not a huge difference, really. Now look at all the rr7 casters we have...
...not many. I prefer the balanced groups. The Free RP's group I run in works much better than any KoS tank group I ran in. However, nothing -- nothing -- has ever topped the KoS balanced group, imo, for flexibility and pure ownage potential.
rr11-10-9-9-8-7-7-(9/8/7/5/5 ~ druid) will do that for you, though.
Oh, and melk's saying the healing is gimp -- bard had 16 reg, warden 20. Druid was only person healing most of those battles.
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Hey Anty_ ,
If you would read the whole post, I was right on target with some other things said by other people. Thanks for you innability to read everything. And all of the Gank groups do think that it should be 8vs8. Pay attention to the discussion and what people prior to the last few posts have said.
Besides, you were the one whining about it not being fair that a group rushed you right after a fight.....fair and war don't together..
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""If that setup works for you, go head and continue to run it. Overall, that group is still gimp compared to a group that would do so much better with the right players & classes in place."
This is funny..
They do a hell of alot better vs us than kos tank groups -ever- did."
Maluv,
KoS tank groups that you think you fought against had all the wrong players on the tanks. For example, Melkorai is a caster player PERIOD.
Nerv,
"Slut group was sweet at raping PUG's at 10 am est."
You probably never played against the slut group. Mistwraith and his caster group or the KoS tank group of late was NOT the "Slut" group. The slut group has been dead for a long time (the original sluts).
The new and current so called slut-group is so different...
*On a side note, I can't even log in my once upon a time Hero.... No purple spear for me!
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Slut group was special because they were openly selfish and didn't give a fark about their own realm.
I remember hearing alot about "paying to play" and they don't care about keeps and relics.
It's a unique blend of skill and insensitive as_sholes. They also play wearing dresses IRL.
OK.. I made up the part about dresses :P
X was very proud about his sluts. Then MW's pbae group came along and that was the end of the Slut era.
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^^Quick edit for Pryme
I quit, then Mistwraith came along with his pbae crew.
At times I was pretty bad, but I was never the worst out of the entire group.
Don't forget the blue con NS named "Gannondorf" ;P
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yah X and Gannon were pretty darn funny on these boards back in the day
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Yeah, I was pretty bad back then
.... sorry?
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Gannon and Melk was funny like nails over the chalkboard. I just remember X posting alot to defend his group's motives, not a bad thing.
One of the best gank groups at that time.
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As long as you don't take Gannon seriously, he is probably one of the funniest people out there.
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Booting people out of the guild for disagreeing him, annoying him, /gc promoting himself by loging on another character...
Yah, funny!
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heh, bumping this due to today's new events: running 2 minstrels on AF and swapping in/out of group to cycle SoS.
the 11v8 (scout with 2 minstrels) isn't bad enough, but the constant cycling of SoS? Funny. Good job, TF.
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I love how tf thinks, OMG A SINGLE HIB GROUP IS FIGHTING ALB ZERG.......LETS ADD!!! AND THAN LETS BLOW SOS OR BOF!!!!
the feared is a zerg guild.
they just hide it well:/
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"heh, bumping this due to today's new events: running 2 minstrels on AF and swapping in/out of group to cycle SoS."
what makes you think they were swapping them, and the minstrels weren't just following tf as they annoyingly tend to do? /shrug, just an observation.
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i was playing on alb/merlin on my wiz and saw the funniest thing. there's a gank guild running out w/o any speed, theurg, sorc, or minstrel. me and a sorc are duo'ing and we asked them if they wanted us to tag along at least for the cc. they say no and get whipped. then they cry to us about not helping the realm.
dunno what that had to do with anything, but i had to get that off my chest.
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1 FG of LA just rolled 4 groups albs, including myself, in emain - Thanks for tha <3
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lemme guess:
mids are overpowered now?
or....albs to zerg less and get some skill.
if you guys start doing your own thing then following the zerg, then you may actually get to enjoy the game a little more and learn your characters and their full potential. instead of travelling with the mindless zerg.
but that's only if that statment you said holds true.
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maybe you'll get to be in their next video!
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uhm trias...i went to the clicky in your sig....you using unleashed or something cause i see this blotched up thing in the corner.
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lemme guess:
mids are overpowered now?
or....albs to zerg less and get some skill.
if you guys start doing your own thing then following the zerg, then you may actually get to enjoy the game a little more and learn your characters and their full potential. instead of travelling with the mindless zerg.
do you think what mids are doing with savages is skill?
L!OO!O!OL!O!O!L!O!L!L
there may be some skilled players in mid, but they will never get any credit for it.
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/wave frec
How are sorcs after the lastest patch?
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"do you think what mids are doing with savages is skill?
L!OO!O!OL!O!O!L!O!L!L
there may be some skilled players in mid, but they will never get any credit for it."
do you think what albs are doing with bof and sos is skill?
L!OO!O!OL!O!O!L!O!L!L
there may be some skilled players in alb, but they will never get any credit for it.
"How are sorcs after the lastest patch?"
overpowered.
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yes, I agree sorcs shouldn't have got that 179 lifetap. I nuke like a wind therug. it is stupid.
I even lobbied on pendragon boards and the sorc boards to get it toned down.
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Cabalists needed thst lifetap tho :P
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Bah, it would be fun to see what its like to play an overpowered toon for once. But I'm not starting up again just to get nerfed later.
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Lies, was more then 4g. =)
But nah, our videotaper was laggin so had to turn off the recorder. oh well
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^^ it was 56
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ouch, sucks to be those albs...
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Sorcerer isn't too overpowered, if anything thier power pool is toooooo small now
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hello beibhinn
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hi lol
This <TOS> sig got <TOS> by some <TOS>
RIP Mash Potato Johnson
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wow man the hate. anyway i know one thing. it doesn't take a brain to play a tank. but it takes a brain to play a tank well. so although there are savages out there it doesn't necassarily make them skilled players, i agree. but the ones that i do run with are skilled. and on a side note, if i'm the one forming the grp i'd prefer to run warriors. so i normally have one savage that's an ma and the rest of the tanks are heavy tanks.
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hi frec
i signed on, u can stop leaving me messages everywhere now.
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"uhm trias...i went to the clicky in your sig....you using unleashed or something cause i see this blotched up thing in the corner."
lol never realized it could be seen that way.
All that is is my craptacular image conversion program being gay because its all crippleware and shiz.
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ohhhh. just doesn't look good on you hehe.
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Because they sos'd 3x in a 40 minute period.
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moved from daoc/lancelot as part of lancelot's histroy/background
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