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Democrats claim Romney, Ryan broke bribery laws by giving out free subs
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WAUKESHA - Wisconsin Democrats claim White House hopeful Mitt Romney and Congressman Paul Ryan violated state campaign bribery laws during Tuesday's election.
Romney and Ryan passed out free, pre-made sandwiches at a Cousins Subs in Waukesha while the polls were open.
"We're going to go to the polls today," Ryan told supporters.
Romney urged supporters to vote.
"Get some friends to go with you," Romney said during his remarks. "That's how you can legally vote multiple times, right? So bring your friends to the polling place. Get out and vote. If you want another sandwich, there are more back there."
The Democratic Party of Wisconsin contends Ryan and Romney broke the law by distributing free subs. The party planned to file complaints with the Government Accountability Board and the Waukesha County district attorney's office.
"If you take something of value that's more than a dollar and use it persuade someone to vote or encourage someone to vote, then it's illegal," party chair Mike Tate said at a press conference.
Candidates are discouraged from offering food, beverage or other gift to get someone to vote or to thank them for a vote, GAB spokesperson Reid Magney said. Magney said while the board does not have all of the facts in this case, candidates run the risk of violating campaign bribery laws.
The charging decision would be likely be up to DA Brad Schimel.
"We have not received any complaint yet," Schimel said in an email. "I am on vacation and will deal with any formal complaint that comes in when I return. This has no urgency to it that would require me to act on it while I am on vacation with my family."
Romney state campaign co-chair Ted Kanavas dismissed the complaint.
"I wasn't bought off by a Cousins sub in Waukesha, Wisconsin. I think they should probably get a life," Kanavas said.
Jeff Daane, a family owner of the Cousins franchise, said the campaign paid for the food.
"Somebody wanted to come and by food from us and we were more than happy to provide that opportunity," Daane said.
Rep. Ryan's office did not respond to a request for a comment.
Violating the campaign bribery law is a low level felony and would have no impact on a candidates spot on the ballot, Magney said.
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SANDWICHES ARE SRS BZNESS!!!!
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Brought to you by the party of "Walkin' around money."
I wonder if a ride to the polls that parties have been giving people for decades are worth more than $1.
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I'd vote for Romney in the primaries if I got free sandwiches.
I didn't know transporting someone to a voting location was an "object of value".
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"I think they should probably get a life," Kanavas said.
Sound advice.
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Sounds like people making a deal over nothing.
Show me one person who would honestly vote for someone for a sandwich... this is a waste of time and money.
Jeez our country is so petty.
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warflea posted:
"I think they should probably get a life," Kanavas said.
Sound advice.
Republicans have filed the same complaint whenever they've seen Dems giving any items of value. So you just listened to advice from a hypocrite..
jeune posted:
Sounds like people making a deal over nothing.
Show me one person who would honestly vote for someone for a sandwich... this is a waste of time and money.
Jeez our country is so petty.
It is law, shouldn't candidates not break the law of the states they are visiting? I think receiving objects of value can definitely make some people more likely to vote. It won't swing anyone, really, but you should be encouraging people with ideas.
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Show me one person who would honestly vote for someone for a sandwich...
As dumb as this headline is, you've managed to one up it...
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Show me one person who would honestly vote for someone for a sandwich...
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Were their wives making the sandwiches? If not they're definitely RINOs.
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Unless it had bacon on it I don't see this as a huge deal
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Giving a supporter a sandwich for going out and voting is not buying votes... at the most it is stopping apathy... which we should all be for.
To suggest someone this late in such a heated and divisive primary is really going to influence anyone's vote with a sandwich is beyond dumb.
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That's a pretty stupid thing to bitch about.
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Giving a supporter a sandwich for going out and voting is not buying votes... at the most it is stopping apathy... which we should all be for.
So the sandwich is making them less apathetic, which leads to more voting? Doesn't that mean they get votes by giving sandwiches (an item of worth)?
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I'm waiting with bated breath for Santorum's meltdown over this. It'll be a beauty... Etch a Sketch in one hand, sandwich in the other.
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levgre posted:
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Giving a supporter a sandwich for going out and voting is not buying votes... at the most it is stopping apathy... which we should all be for.
So the sandwich is making them less apathetic, which leads to more voting? Doesn't that mean they get votes by giving sandwiches (an item of worth)?
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levgre posted:
jeune posted:
Giving a supporter a sandwich for going out and voting is not buying votes... at the most it is stopping apathy... which we should all be for.
So the sandwich is making them less apathetic, which leads to more voting? Doesn't that mean they get votes by giving sandwiches (an item of worth)?
Are you suggesting he was only giving sandwiches to people who voted for him? sounds like he was giving away sandwiches to everyone... and if that got people out to vote then yes I support that.
I should of said "Giving a voter a sandwich"
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Give me a break!
Now that would be legal, kit kats are under the 1$ threshhold
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The Obama campaign supporters were giving out free bus rides. That's worth more than a dollar isn't it?
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and Obama is still accepting illegal online donations, blah blah blah
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jeune posted:
Sounds like people making a deal over nothing.
Show me one person who would honestly vote for someone for a sandwich... this is a waste of time and money.
Jeez our country is so petty.
in a primary? i don't gaf. i'll vote for whatever if you're giving me a delicious sandwich.
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i love Cousin's subs
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free transport of voters to the voting center should be a standard and managed by the voting commission of the states... we have absentee ballots right? same deal.
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jeune posted:
Show me one person who would honestly vote for someone for a sandwich...
In a Presidential Primary? I'd vote for fkin Hitler if he gave me a free Jimmy Johns.
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I wonder if a ride to the polls that parties have been giving people for decades are worth more than $1.
I don't know, but if those rides weren't in Wisconsin, then the specific law wouldn't apply: this is a state statute.
12.11 Election bribery.
(1) In this section, "anything of value" includes any amount of money, or any object which has utility independent
of any political message it contains and the value of which exceeds $1. The prohibitions of this section apply to the
distribution of material printed at public expense and available for free distribution if such materials are accompanied by
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(1m) Any person who does any of the following violates this chapter:
(a) Offers, gives, lends or promises to give or lend, or endeavors to procure, anything of value, or any office
or employment or any privilege or immunity to, or for, any elector, or to or for any other person, in order to induce
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1. Go to or refrain from going to the polls.
2. Vote or refrain from voting.
3. Vote or refrain from voting for or against a particular person.
4. Vote or refrain from voting for or against a particular referendum; or on account of any elector having
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Whoever violates s. 12.09, 12.11 or 12.13 (1), (2) (b) 1. to 7. or (3) (a), (e), (f), (j), (k), (L), (m), (y) or (z) is guilty of a Class I felony.
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For a Class I felony, a fine not to exceed $10,000 or imprisonment not to exceed 3 years and 6 months, or both.
It sounds silly to me, too, presuming the sandwiches weren't a direct bribe for a specific vote, but Wisconsin law is quite specific and this is a clear violation. You can't pay them $1 even to persuade them to merely go to the polls.
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Since all candidates are all but the same. I would vote for the one who gave me a sandwich.
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levgre posted:
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Give me a break!
Now that would be legal, kit kats are under the 1$ threshhold
really? they are like.. $1.20 or so here.
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For a Class I felony, a fine not to exceed $10,000 or imprisonment not to exceed 3 years and 6 months, or both.
So if Mitt is a felon, does that mean he cant vote, but can still run for President?
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I wonder how much creative splicing went into this "report."
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free transport of voters to the voting center should be a standard and managed by the voting commission of the states... we have absentee ballots right? same deal.
Why stop there? Let's just have a vote counter visit everyone at their home to get their vote so that no one is inconvenienced.
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what's the cost of the sandwich?
was it the full sandwich handed out?
was there a discount for the large order?
seems to me there would be some mention of these...maybe in the video there was?
OH and didn't the Democrats throw barbeques for the recall elections? 
plus as i have witnessed working in government for about 10 years now, how you word things plays a HUGE part in these things.
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They should have given out lottery tickets instead.
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The government should just provide free sandwiches to encourage civic participation. Sandwiches are generally delicious.
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purplehugmonkey posted:
The government should just provide free sandwiches to encourage civic participation. Sandwiches are generally delicious.
That way it benefits all candidates equally and everybody gets a free sandwich.
well according to above, that is illegal in that state.
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We'll do it by executive order, so it should be fine.
It will give the Libertarians something else to kvetch about.
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I *totally* want a sub sandwich for dinner because of this thread
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LOLOLOLOL
Repubs blamed Dems for the same thing during the first round of recalls. Repubs lost, but I'm sure Dem's claim will stand thanks to the <sarcasm>un biased</sarcasm> G.A.B. in Madison.
Edit: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/135094973.html
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Lanacan posted:
LOLOLOLOL
Repubs blamed Dems for the same thing during the first round of recalls. Repubs lost, but I'm sure Dem's claim will stand thanks to the <sarcasm>un biased</sarcasm> G.A.B. in Madison.
Edit: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/135094973.html
It sounds like the courts took a very strict interpretation of the word "induce" in the statute. The whole law hinges on it. If one takes a strict interpretation closer to compulsion than enticement, then neither the BBQ nor the subs were illegal. I'm a linguist but not a lawyer, so I can't comment specifically on the legal interpretation of "induce" in this context; the linguistic interpretation hinges on the outcome of the induced, not the actions of the inducers, where the law must go by the actions of the inducers. (In other words, one is linguistically "induced" if one produces the desired result of going to the polls, and not "induced" if one does not, regardless of the efforts of those inducing.)
It does seem clear that either neither or both of these actions were illegal. They are definitely highly similar. If the earlier BBQ ruling established precedent, then Romney and Ryan are in the clear.
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Serve free food at a polling place near a college town.
Youth votes skyrocket.
Throw in free beer and you've won the district.
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