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a "White Hispanic" why can't we call Obama a "White African-American"?
They both have one white parent.
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Probably because that is how the U.S. government records people... Hispanics are considered white... same as middle eastern people. That is their race...
White-Hispanic refers to white race... Hispanic ethnicity.
Race is a social construction that changes over time... probably was the same thing a hundred years ago... White-Irish... it is the intermediate step before they lose their ethnic background and become White-American.
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Probably because that is how the U.S. government records people...
Nope.
The race categories from the 2010 census are shown below:
White
Black, African Am., or Negro
American Indian or Alaska Native
Asian Indian
Chinese
Filipino
Other Asian
Japanese
Korean
Vietnamese
Native Hawaiian
Guamanian or Chamorro
Samoan
Other Pacific Islander
Some other race
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Not quite right there Rho
Race
What is Race?
The data on race were derived from answers to the question on race that was asked of individuals in the United States. The Census Bureau collects racial data in accordance with guidelines provided by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and these data are based on self-identification.
The racial categories included in the census questionnaire generally reflect a social definition of race recognized in this country and not an attempt to define race biologically, anthropologically, or genetically. In addition, it is recognized that the categories of the race item include racial and national origin or sociocultural groups. People may choose to report more than one race to indicate their racial mixture, such as “American Indian†and “White.†People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race.
OMB requires five minimum categories: White, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander.
http://www.census.gov/population/race/
For the OMB definitions of these categories, please click on the “About Race†tab above.
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You are mixing things up.
There is only 5 races that we currently count.
1) white
2) black
3) Asian
4) Native
5) other (for confused people)
They also collect information on ethnicity.
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf
"OMB requires federal agencies to use a minimum of two ethnicities: Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or Latino. Hispanic origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be any race."
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So now you're saying Obama killed that boy?
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That is not how Rho would say that...needs more epithets.
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I wonder if anyone has asked Mr. Zimmerman if he considers himself a "White Hispanic".
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I wonder if anyone has asked Mr. Zimmerman if he considers himself a "White Hispanic".
Rho
"Robert Zimmerman said his son is Hispanic and not racist."
Since Hispanic is not a race... and he apparently identities with his Hispanic ethnicity... the only correct term would be "white-Hispanic"
Unless his white dad self-identifies as being black or something...
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Your post is just dumb.. are you trying to insinuate some inconsistency or injustice? Because there is none.
I don't understand conservatives' obsession with labeling Obama as "less of" an African-American. He is half-black, yes, and a person can be half-black and still be fully an African-American. Being African-American isn't just about being a "pure-blood black". Deal with it.
White-hispanic is the term that Zimmerman falls under. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Afaik they agree with that self-identification.
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It is a term that the press has almost never used before when describing the ethnicity of a person in a news story. THAT is what is odd, here.
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at this point can't we just label him a killer?
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Your post is just dumb.. are you trying to insinuate some inconsistency or injustice? Because there is none.
I don't understand conservatives' obsession with labeling Obama as "less of" an African-American. He is half-black, yes, and a person can be half-black and still be fully an African-American. Being African-American isn't just about being a "pure-blood black". Deal with it.
White-hispanic is the term that Zimmerman falls under. Hispanic is an ethnicity, not a race. Afaik they agree with that self-identification.
Actually the problem repukes and the rest of the right wing nut jobs is primarily because Obama is anything except the chosen white color. Since he is half black they then go on to assault his religion as well, even tho a number of these short sighted morons belong to the same institution of religion.
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Slow news week. I stopped caring about this like 12 parsecs ago
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Ah, so there's a concern that this is a liberal media assault on white people through Zimmerman. Seems a big stretch.
Race is pertinent to this story, as the debate is essentially about racism/stereotyping. For most stories with Hispanics the racial specifics aren't as important.
It's very likely the racial background of Hispanics are generalized too much. I don't know how they checked if Zimmerman considers himself white or mixed hispanic, even if he does appear more white.
I don't think conservatives would give an F unless they felt the white race was being attacked, though.
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I don't know how they checked if Zimmerman considers himself white or mixed hispanic, even if he does appear more white.
Does he appear "more white", to you?
 
There is absolutely no reason why the New York Times would choose to identify this guy as "White Hispanic" rather than just "Hispanic" unless it served to further their intended White-kills-Black narrative.
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I don't know how they checked if Zimmerman considers himself white or mixed hispanic, even if he does appear more white.
Does he appear "more white", to you?
There is absolutely no reason why the New York Times would choose to identify this guy as "White Hispanic" rather than just "Hispanic" unless it served to further their intended White-kills-Black narrative.
Rho
Yeah, that looks white to me, I guess your perception of white is just pale European-Americans. White varies by location, white Brazilian, etc. Heck a tanned Euro-white can be that color.
Your liberal media race war conspiracy is whack. It wasn't just the NY times referring him by his racial demographic.
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Slow news week. I stopped caring about this like 12 parsecs ago
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Actually the problem repukes and the rest of the right wing nut jobs is primarily because Obama is anything except the chosen white color. Since he is half black they then go on to assault his religion as well, even tho a number of these short sighted morons belong to the same institution of religion.
sad thing is you fully believe in the ignorant stuff you spew.
way to go lumping a party together with you misguided view...then again i would never expect anything else from someone like you.
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Because when people attempt to label half white they are really trying to downplay the fact a black man could not win that office. Same thing with the birth certificate nonsense. Basically after a while instead of it being wait a minute where was this guy born it becomes some grand conspiracy and the only way a black person could win that office is by some trickery.
George Zimmerman in no way reflects me in any way. I don't allow it. Stuff like what happened has been happening since the beginning of time and will continue to do happen. Its ignorance and theirs never going to be a shortage of ignorant people.
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You are mixing things up.
There is only 5 races that we currently count.
1) white
2) black
3) Asian
4) Native
5) other (for confused people)
They also collect information on ethnicity.
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf
"OMB requires federal agencies to use a minimum of two ethnicities: Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or Latino. Hispanic origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be any race."
So what race would non-Persian Arab fall under? They certainly aren't white
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Banelord_FF posted:
jeune posted:
You are mixing things up.
There is only 5 races that we currently count.
1) white
2) black
3) Asian
4) Native
5) other (for confused people)
They also collect information on ethnicity.
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf
"OMB requires federal agencies to use a minimum of two ethnicities: Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or Latino. Hispanic origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be any race."
So what race would non-Persian Arab fall under? They certainly aren't white
Whatever race they consider themselves... it is self-identified.
If they are in the U.S. and have the 5 choices... I am guessing the vast majority are going to check the white box...
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This is great news! Left wingers are lumping latinos on with white people. The Repiblican party welcomes our fellow white brothers and sisters to the fold! Lets stop talks of border walls and open the border to more white hispanics!
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for prison statistics it breaks it down a little more.
you can have a black hispanic and a white hispanic.
a regular old racist republican, sorry i mean White guy is White - other than Hispanic,
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Are you great because of the color of your skin,your religion,your education,wealth,gender, or your behavior ?
of those the only relevant one is behavior. wouldn't be my choice to use to describe it, but it works!
none of the others matter at all for anything other than peoples pathetic arguments and government statistics.
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Are you great because of the color of your skin,your religion,your education,wealth,gender, or your behavior ?
All but behavior.
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why do we have to be labeled at all???
why cant we all just be Americans?
heard a conversation the other day and i asked the two guys where precisely they were *from*.
African-American (huge into being called that) pointed to Peru but admitted wasn't sure as his ancestors were ripped from their villages but knew it was a west coast country.
the other a Dominican-American who when you call him Puerto Rican flips out (funny really) pointed to Cuba, but couldn't say exactly where because his ancestors came on a boat.
now i know i am white, and i apparently benefit a whole lot in every area, but i one day intend on going to Germany where one family left, Ireland where 4 families left (have pics of the exact land) Scotland, and i have already been to the native side. the other great grandparents history has never been talked about and my great grandmother would get instantly angry when asked all i know is it was in Germany somewhere.
all that said, i consider myself American...and unless you are here illegally, i consider you American too.
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why do we have to be labeled at all???
why cant we all just be Americans?
I hope race goes in the dust-bin of history where it belongs. Just a stupid concept.
I think there is a gap between the older generation and the younger generation... I really did not even know that people consider races inherently different until I went to college... and took me a very long time to wrap my head around it because it was so stupid. It was just a concept used to justify using people as slaves/stealing their land/other morally disgusting things... because they were not human... a different race... and we can treat them differently. But I think things are changing... I really do not know anyone my age who thinks people are inherently different.
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why do we have to be labeled at all???
why cant we all just be Americans?
I hope race goes in the dust-bin of history where it belongs. Just a stupid concept.
I think there is a gap between the older generation and the younger generation... I really did not even know that people consider races inherently different until I went to college... and took me a very long time to wrap my head around it because it was so stupid. It was just a concept used to justify using people as slaves/stealing their land/other morally disgusting things... because they were not human... a different race... and we can treat them differently. But I think things are changing... I really do not know anyone my age who thinks people are inherently different.
dammit, i have the same line of thinking as jeune...do i off myself, or do i change my views??? 
anyhow, that's just for the race being stupid part,
the second part, i think things are getting worse...and i also think it turned when Obama was elected. it is STILL being made to be a big deal that OMG A BLACK MAN WAS ELECTED!!!
then you have people like that idiot up further spewing *R's hate the president cuz he's black*
it's nearly impossible to read any kind of article about anything really where race is not mentioned.
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If you have never heard the term 'white hispanic' before, then you need to read more, plain and simple. The term hispanic has morphed around alot, and some people consider it as simple as a language grouping.
This is probably due to the fact that most of the initial reports had hm as a white guy. After that, (assuming you know a little more than ole Rho) it seems silly to correct the initial stories by saying "Oops, hes not white, he is hispanic" because he is both.
And yes, Obama is half white. Tell me, is he the only half black person you could think of? You hear a story about a white guy doing something wrong, and you go "he aint no white, i mean, what, you think this black guy is white too?" Stupid point, and clumsily made at that.
You feel like white people get oppressed. You could read a thousand stories that say "An african american commit this crime" and not bat an eyelash, but when you hear one story that says a white guy did something, you cry about how this is just reverse racism and white guilt. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. White people, especially in america, have it easier than anyone else on earth. It comes off as incredibly whiny when you spend all your time bitching about how hard it is.
Now please respond in a vague, non responsive way. here is a suggestion "you know what they say about when you make assumptions..."
That's one you use a bit. How about the assumption you are making that referring to a white hispanic as a white hispanic is somehow a war on white people?
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If you have never heard the term 'white hispanic' before, then you need to read more, plain and simple. The term hispanic has morphed around alot, and some people consider it as simple as a language grouping.
This is probably due to the fact that most of the initial reports had hm as a white guy. After that, (assuming you know a little more than ole Rho) it seems silly to correct the initial stories by saying "Oops, hes not white, he is hispanic" because he is both.
And yes, Obama is half white. Tell me, is he the only half black person you could think of? You hear a story about a white guy doing something wrong, and you go "he aint no white, i mean, what, you think this black guy is white too?" Stupid point, and clumsily made at that.
You feel like white people get oppressed. You could read a thousand stories that say "An african american commit this crime" and not bat an eyelash, but when you hear one story that says a white guy did something, you cry about how this is just reverse racism and white guilt. Stop feeling sorry for yourself. White people, especially in america, have it easier than anyone else on earth. It comes off as incredibly whiny when you spend all your time bitching about how hard it is.
Now please respond in a vague, non responsive way. here is a suggestion "you know what they say about when you make assumptions..."
That's one you use a bit. How about the assumption you are making that referring to a white hispanic as a white hispanic is somehow a war on white people?
that's quite the rant...but i must ask, what thread does most of that come from?
but in response to that, there IS a place where there it is within reason for whites to gripe. after doing an audit on applications for jobs, we basically use a 25 point scale, whites max at 20 though...that's fair though right?
funny part about that though is *Hispanic* carries into the bonus 5...no surprise there is no consistency with a government program!
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the second part, i think things are getting worse...and i also think it turned when Obama was elected. it is STILL being made to be a big deal that OMG A BLACK MAN WAS ELECTED!!!
then you have people like that idiot up further spewing *R's hate the president cuz he's black*
it's nearly impossible to read any kind of article about anything really where race is not mentioned.
Well it is the last of the racist dying out... there is a portion of people who hate Obama just for his skin color... there are also people who love him just because of his skin color. I think we only hear crap from the extremist on both sides... and the majority of people could care less.
I still remember when Obama was elected... and all the old white T.V. reporters were actually tearing up... because they knew this was a changing point for America and they were proud of the progress that was made.
To me it is just incomprehensible that we were killing people for riding in buses... for eating in a restaurant... just 50 years ago.
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And yes, Obama is half white. Tell me, is he the only half black person you could think of?
I mentioned the President because of the irony of him injecting himself into all the ridiculous race baiting going on about this incident.
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the second part, i think things are getting worse...and i also think it turned when Obama was elected. it is STILL being made to be a big deal that OMG A BLACK MAN WAS ELECTED!!!
then you have people like that idiot up further spewing *R's hate the president cuz he's black*
it's nearly impossible to read any kind of article about anything really where race is not mentioned.
Well it is the last of the racist dying out... there is a portion of people who hate Obama just for his skin color... there are also people who love him just because of his skin color. I think we only hear crap from the extremist on both sides... and the majority of people could care less.
I still remember when Obama was elected... and all the old white T.V. reporters were actually tearing up... because they knew this was a changing point for America and they were proud of the progress that was made.
To me it is just incomprehensible that we were killing people for riding in buses... for eating in a restaurant... just 50 years ago.
And of course we know that Obama is a racist too. He takes sides and makes judgments based on race, long before facts are known.
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Ubarry would be a white-Kenyan
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jeune posted:
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the second part, i think things are getting worse...and i also think it turned when Obama was elected. it is STILL being made to be a big deal that OMG A BLACK MAN WAS ELECTED!!!
then you have people like that idiot up further spewing *R's hate the president cuz he's black*
it's nearly impossible to read any kind of article about anything really where race is not mentioned.
Well it is the last of the racist dying out... there is a portion of people who hate Obama just for his skin color... there are also people who love him just because of his skin color. I think we only hear crap from the extremist on both sides... and the majority of people could care less.
I still remember when Obama was elected... and all the old white T.V. reporters were actually tearing up... because they knew this was a changing point for America and they were proud of the progress that was made.
To me it is just incomprehensible that we were killing people for riding in buses... for eating in a restaurant... just 50 years ago.
And of course we know that Obama is a racist too. He takes sides and makes judgments based on race, long before facts are known.
I really do not know what Obama said... and stopped following this case when I learned it was based upon a stupid law.
But I think it is a pretty fair assessment to say that race was involved in this case... maybe not Zimmerman but at the very least the justice system down there. Are you guys really saying that if a 17 year old white kid heading home with some candy and tea was stalked down and shot by a black dude that everything would be identical?! I think ignoring the injustice just makes things worse... it is what baits the racial tensions.
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the whole race aspect of this should have been dropped when Zimmerman's father spoke.
that's when we learned he was hispanic, and we all know only actual whites with no other descriptor can be racist!
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jeune posted:
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You are mixing things up.
There is only 5 races that we currently count.
1) white
2) black
3) Asian
4) Native
5) other (for confused people)
They also collect information on ethnicity.
http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/briefs/c2010br-02.pdf
"OMB requires federal agencies to use a minimum of two ethnicities: Hispanic or Latino and Not Hispanic or Latino. Hispanic origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be any race."
So what race would non-Persian Arab fall under? They certainly aren't white
Whatever race they consider themselves... it is self-identified.
If they are in the U.S. and have the 5 choices... I am guessing the vast majority are going to check the white box...
Persians are white, non-Persian Arabs are semetic and that is more of a race than "Native"
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I really do not know what Obama said... and stopped following this case when I learned it was based upon a stupid law.
But I think it is a pretty fair assessment to say that race was involved in this case... maybe not Zimmerman but at the very least the justice system down there. Are you guys really saying that if a 17 year old white kid heading home with some candy and tea was stalked down and shot by a black dude that everything would be identical?! I think ignoring the injustice just makes things worse... it is what baits the racial tensions.
Willie White, 70 year old black man in Detroit shot some teens who were just wandering around climbing fences and going into houses, you know, kid stuff. He's not been charged. Should we get out the protest signs and demand Willie White be brought to justice? One of them might have had some candy!
This is Willie demonstrating how he plugged that kid.
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jeune posted:
I really do not know what Obama said... and stopped following this case when I learned it was based upon a stupid law.
But I think it is a pretty fair assessment to say that race was involved in this case... maybe not Zimmerman but at the very least the justice system down there. Are you guys really saying that if a 17 year old white kid heading home with some candy and tea was stalked down and shot by a black dude that everything would be identical?! I think ignoring the injustice just makes things worse... it is what baits the racial tensions.
Willie White, 70 year old black man in Detroit shot some teens who were just wandering around climbing fences and going into houses, you know, kid stuff. He's not been charged. Should we get out the protest signs and demand Willie White be brought to justice? One of them might have had some candy!
http://www.freep.com/article/20120328/NEWS01/203280458/Elderly-Detroit-man-fatally-shoots-intruder?odyssey=tab |topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Someone breaks into an old mans house and gets shot?! how is that similar at all?
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jeune posted:
JD_HOGG posted:
jeune posted:
I really do not know what Obama said... and stopped following this case when I learned it was based upon a stupid law.
But I think it is a pretty fair assessment to say that race was involved in this case... maybe not Zimmerman but at the very least the justice system down there. Are you guys really saying that if a 17 year old white kid heading home with some candy and tea was stalked down and shot by a black dude that everything would be identical?! I think ignoring the injustice just makes things worse... it is what baits the racial tensions.
Willie White, 70 year old black man in Detroit shot some teens who were just wandering around climbing fences and going into houses, you know, kid stuff. He's not been charged. Should we get out the protest signs and demand Willie White be brought to justice? One of them might have had some candy!
http://www.freep.com/article/20120328/NEWS01/203280458/Elderly-Detroit-man-fatally-shoots-intruder?odyssey=tab |topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Someone breaks into an old mans house and gets shot?! how is that similar at all?
Because the teen was killed, we really won't know the facts so let's just make some up like everyone surrounding Trayvon Martin. Let's say those teens were stalked and killed by racist Willie White. Hell, let's call Willie a white man for starters, after all his name is White!
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By the way, I really think Willie White is a hero, he looks bad-ass in that picture. I gotta post it again.
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