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If they based it on politics... pretty sure the fact that the democratically elected Congress of the U.S. enacted the law would carry the day... the SCOTUS usually keeps their hands off of political issues... they think the people are in the best position to change it... if they do not like the law then vote new people in.
If they strike it down will probably be because they have been trying to say the law is not a tax... and they would most likely say Congress has overstepped their commerce clause power... which I really do not see. Health care today definitely has an effect on inter-state commerce... just the scope and size of it.
People really do not understand the issue too well... if this is struck down it will only mean that Congress has to pass the law as a tax... under their tax and spend power. That will probably lead to National healthcare... which will probably be better in the long run.
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Hahaha, the law, yeah right.
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For all of our whining regarding "legislating from the bench" from all sides of the spectrum, the court has for the most part remained reasonably free of politics for the vast majority of its 200+ year history. Please understand that "politics" is not the same thing as ideological beliefs. Yes the various Justices have their personal ideological beliefs regarding the principals and foundations of law. But they rarely if ever line up 100% with what we consider politics or mundane day to day political matters.
I've listened to pretty much the entirety of the 3 days of hearings. The only Justice that was straying rather alarmingly into political territory was Kagan, as she kept prompting the solicitor General with answers instead of questions. She was obviously too close to the material, to close to her old job and too protective of her succesor. She should have recused herself. Everyone else was asking very valid questions. I was particularly impressed by Sontomayor(sp?) who was asking much broader questions than anyone expected of a strong left Obama appointee.
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Hahaha, the law, yeah right.
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The only Justice that was straying rather alarmingly into political territory was Kagan, as she kept prompting the solicitor General with answers instead of questions. She was obviously too close to the material, to close to her old job and too protective of her succesor. She should have recused herself.
I don't think it's practical to recuse herself from every case where the US solicitor general is arguing, and I agree that it probably has more to do with Verilli sucking on ice (by a fairly wide consensus) than "politics" as you define the term, in the more classical sense.
But most people think of "politics" as what you define as "ideology," including probably the OP, at least in the context of her poll. I have no problem with your definitions in a classical sense, but they no longer match the modern American vernacular. And yes, these people are definitely driven by ideology, or else we wouldn't have so many 5-4 decisions, nor would their individual positions be so easy to predict yet so different from each others'.
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Poll would have been more accurate if you listed each judge separately.
I think at least a couple on both sides will vote politics.
The rest will be more based on the law.
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Politics... or emotion...
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The conservative justices will base it on law and the liberal justices will base it on politics.
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combat_mage_sc posted:
The conservative justices will base it on law and the liberal justices will base it on politics.
Yeah like corporations are people.
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Politics would lean towards a no vote since mandated coverage is unpopular.
If based on the law it's really a case of personal judgement, we already can mandate individuals to do things (like if you own a business, you can't refuse service to people based on their race).
And healthcare is a market where someone's lack of participation affects others.. since everyone else has to foot the bill when they go to the emergency room.
If any market should have a government mandate it's healthcare.. the costs are out of control, and people are suffering/dying due to lack of care. A mandate will shift our system towards preventive care, which is a lot cheaper.
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If they did their job right, there would be very few 5-4 decisions.
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Conservative judges: the law
Liberal judges: emotion and rhetoric/politics
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levgre posted:
Politics would lean towards a no vote since mandated coverage is unpopular.
Liberal politics is why mandated coverage was added in, and it was fairly unpopular then as well.
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"And healthcare is a market where someone's lack of participation affects others.. since everyone else has to foot the bill when they go to the emergency room"
Repeal or FIX the emergency care law(s). Don't run 16% of the US economy through the Federal Beaurocracy.
In answer to the poll, I know 4 who will rule on politics, and 3 of them are women.
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BritonGuy posted:
levgre posted:
Politics would lean towards a no vote since mandated coverage is unpopular.
Liberal politics is why mandated coverage was added in, and it was fairly unpopular then as well.
No, it's because the only way you can have universal healthcare is with a mandate. Otherwise you'll still have people opting out whenever they want.
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Repeal or FIX the emergency care law(s). Don't run 16% of the US economy through the Federal Beaurocracy.
Doesn't sound like you know what the bill is. Government doesn't run the actual healthcare system, people still get healthcare through whatever provider they want.
Unfortunately for conservatives, the US aspires to be a humane society and we don't just let people die on the streets.
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All of the above. Some will base it on politics, and a tiny few, maybe just one of them, will base it on the law.
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The conservative justices will base it on law and the liberal justices will base it on politics.
Yeah like corporations are people.
sure they are, just ask Obama
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The conservative justices will base it on law and the liberal justices will base it on politics.
Yeah like corporations are people.
I know you mean that to lampoon Republicans, but didn't you ever take a basic business course? That's how professors often teach it. It's nothing political. Each one is a unique legal entity that can sue or be sued, be charged with crimes, fined, punished, forced to pay taxes, have rights, responsibilities, can have siblings, parents, and hell they even have a birth date.
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combat_mage_sc posted:
The conservative justices will base it on law and the liberal justices will base it on politics.
Yeah like corporations are people.
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Well if we are talking legal, neither Republican nor Democrat were around when we went off track, as far as a no limit Supreme Court anyway, in Marbury v. Madison in 1803.
Founding fathers have been spinning in their graves for say a 150 years now, when we gave them a lot of this personhood stuff with the Railroads.
Jefferson was right in his December 26, 1825 letter to William Giles, "a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and moneyed incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry."
However James Madison predicted this was all to happen, and he named it right.
“Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. In war, too, the discretionary power of the Executive is extended; its influence in dealing out offices, honors, and emoluments is multiplied; and all the means of seducing the minds, are added to those of subduing the force, of the people. The same malignant aspect in republicanism may be traced in the inequality of fortunes, and the opportunities of fraud, growing out of a state of war, and in the degeneracy of manners and of morals engendered by both. No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.â€
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