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Remember this gem?
At the U.S. Capitol on Oct. 22, 2009, CNSNews.com asked then-Speaker Pelosi, “Madam Speaker, where specifically does the Constitution grant Congress the authority to enact an individual health insurance mandate?â€
Pelosi said: “Are you serious? Are you serious?â€
Her spokesman, Nadeam Elshami then told this news agency, “You can put this on the record. That is not a serious question. That is not a serious question.â€
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She was pretty much right in terms of the mood at the time. No one but a hack website like CNS really thought the constitutionality was a big issue until RWNs lost the legislative battle and decided to try to get it stopped in the courts instead (after bitching about democrats doing the same thing for 30+ years straight).
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Yukishiro1 posted:
She was pretty much right in terms of the mood at the time. No one but a hack website like CNS really thought the constitutionality was a big issue until RWNs lost the legislative battle and decided to try to get it stopped in the courts instead (after bitching about democrats doing the same thing for 30+ years straight).
Not to defend the RWN but if either side were trying to strike down a bill and they lost legislatively going to the supreme court is not a long shot.
Now obviously both sides do it, but to say it's some kind of fault is silly.
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I'm just giving the timeline of events. There's obviously a long tradition of running crying to the supreme court when your political opponents pass a bill you don't like.
But the fact is the constitutionality angle wasn't a big deal at the time the bill was being passed. It was all about death panels and government taking over healthcare, not about the constitution.
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nonsense...the mandate's constitutionality was questioned from the moment it was mentioned
given enough time i'm sure i could find the outpost debates on it from that time....so if we were derping about it you can guarantee that other people were
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Walker_ID posted:
nonsense...the mandate's constitutionality was questioned from the moment it was mentioned
This.
There were discussions on many fronts, and the constitutionality of a "mandate to purchase and participate in a private market" was one of the earliest hot buttons for opponents of the bill. And even some supporters.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
Walker_ID posted:
nonsense...the mandate's constitutionality was questioned from the moment it was mentioned
This.
There were discussions on many fronts, and the constitutionality of a "mandate to purchase and participate in a private market" was one of the earliest hot buttons for opponents of the bill. And even some supporters.
Yup, it was always an issue. The bill was so nebulous for so long though, people didn't know if it was going to be included or not, but it was always debated as unconstitutional.
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Liberals are so crazy. Lost the battle? Heck, there never was a battle. The Democrats had to votes to do whatever they wanted. This is clearly outside of the scope of the Federal Government. It is sad that the so-called leader of the Democrats was shocked to even think there was a limit on her power.
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I dont remember exactly but I do think the constitutionality angle did come up during the debate but was not very high on the list of objections coming from the right.
If you turn the clock back to before Obama's inauguration, there were zero visible Republicans or right wing voices who questioned the constitutionality of this type of plan and quite a few openly supported it as their preferred plan.
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The people who believe the constitutionality of obamacare wasn't a subject for debate prior to its passage?
Yea - keep reading the quote in the OP until your collective brain fart sinks in 
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Uh the whole point of the exchange is that no one took it all that seriously at the time. Which is true.
"It's unconstitutional!!!11" was pretty much the preserve of fringers like CNSNews until it actually got passed. It came up in the debates but not as anything approaching a central issue.
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Bush, Romney, Gingrich and McCain are just a few of the gop leaders who support the mandate.
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Uh the whole point of the exchange is that no one took it all that seriously at the time. Which is true.
"It's unconstitutional!!!11" was pretty much the preserve of fringers like CNSNews until it actually got passed. It came up in the debates but not as anything approaching a central issue.
wut?
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In order to prove the constitutionality was a central part of the debate you picked a time period starting with when the law was passed. 
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Making your arguments in a logical sequence doesn't mean you didn't care about the last argument from the very beginning. It just means you saved the argument for the time it made sense to make it.
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I'm glad you agree RWNs mostly waited until the bill was already passed to bring up the constitutional angle rather than making that a central part of their opposition to it.
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And it's not really clear to me why you think it matters Yuki. Let's rewrite history and pretend like Republicans didn't care about the constitutionality of the mandate before the law passed.
So what?
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I wonder what the court will decide.
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If the health and welfare of its citizens is not a compelling enough reason to believe congress has this power then the commerce clause should be challenged in about ten other laws. I don't see how this bill will be ruled unconstitutional. I don't even think it will be close.
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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:
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nonsense...the mandate's constitutionality was questioned from the moment it was mentioned
This.
There were discussions on many fronts, and the constitutionality of a "mandate to purchase and participate in a private market" was one of the earliest hot buttons for opponents of the bill. And even some supporters.
like mandatory auto insurance thats been legal for decades now.
all of a sudden, when the reptards dont get their way, mandating insurance becomes an issue.
welcome to 30 years ago, reptards
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sweeny_comodore posted:
like mandatory auto insurance thats been legal for decades now.
Uhm, no. Unlike.
Welcome to 2 threads from last week where this was thoroughly spanked.
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I'm glad you agree RWNs mostly waited until the bill was already passed to bring up the constitutional angle rather than making that a central part of their opposition to it.
the bill wasn't "passed" until march 2010...try again
you can see the question of it's constitutionality began as early as september of 2009
the original post also has the date in oct of 2009 with the question of constitutionality
and if you want to play games and say "passed the house" ...that didn't happen till nov 2009....
let's see how long you will carry on with this
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sweeny_comodore posted:
like mandatory auto insurance thats been legal for decades now.
all of a sudden, when the reptards dont get their way, mandating insurance becomes an issue.
welcome to 30 years ago, reptards
this kind of logic doesnt work on RWN's. They have a natural immunity.
If these two things were alike, conservatives would have a really hard time making an argument. Therefore they are not alike. Its pretty simple.
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fed v state. It wouldn't be an issue at all if it was your state forcing you to buy health insurance.
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