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You never know when I might have to Stand My Ground some morning on the freeway, or in the donut shop osemthin. It's a scary world full of people who leave me in fear for my life.
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Hate to get shot with that..
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That's pretty much the worst conceivable option I can think of for a carry pistol out there, but it's damn neat from a historical/collector perspective.
Interesting fact: that pistol doesn't qualify for any of the various handgun registration laws or even background checks in order to purchase in the nation (not 100% sure about CA, NJ, etc.) because it's black powder, percussion cap fired.
Another interesting fact: That revolver only fires one shot per trigger pull to the best of my knowledge as well.
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Right, 24 barrels, estimated 45-60 minute reload time, but fires reasonably quickly once loaded.
also, hella heavy to hold and aim.
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Cawlin posted:
That's pretty much the worst conceivable option I can think of for a carry pistol out there, but it's damn neat from a historical/collector perspective.
Interesting fact: that pistol doesn't qualify for any of the various handgun registration laws or even background checks in order to purchase in the nation (not 100% sure about CA, NJ, etc.) because it's black powder, percussion cap fired.
Another interesting fact: That revolver only fires one shot per trigger pull to the best of my knowledge as well.
I seem to remember an episode of sons of guns where a dude brought one of those in.
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Tipztoe posted:
Cawlin posted:
That's pretty much the worst conceivable option I can think of for a carry pistol out there, but it's damn neat from a historical/collector perspective.
Interesting fact: that pistol doesn't qualify for any of the various handgun registration laws or even background checks in order to purchase in the nation (not 100% sure about CA, NJ, etc.) because it's black powder, percussion cap fired.
Another interesting fact: That revolver only fires one shot per trigger pull to the best of my knowledge as well.
I seem to remember an episode of sons of guns where a dude brought one of those in.
They did, although unless I am remembering incorrectly, the one on Sons of Guns was pin fired rather than percussion cap as the illustration in the OP seems to indicate. Either way, it's a very cool curio/collectible. I've actually held and fired a modern reproduction of a 6 barrel percussion cap revolver of a similar nature.
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Guns are insanely expensive nowadays
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Ashmaele posted:
Guns are insanely expensive nowadays
Not really relative to inflation and such over the past 15 years or so...
In fact, you can buy a semi-auto pistol that is perfect for self defense or competition (in the stock division) for $500. The same pistol may have cost $50 less 10 years ago.
Ammo is the pricey part of being a shooter nowadays. Ammo costs have more than doubled in less than 10 years.
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Ashmaele posted:
Guns are insanely expensive nowadays
You may want to get a Yugo model then:
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Cawlin posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Guns are insanely expensive nowadays
Not really relative to inflation and such over the past 15 years or so...
In fact, you can buy a semi-auto pistol that is perfect for self defense or competition (in the stock division) for $500. The same pistol may have cost $50 less 10 years ago.
Ammo is the pricey part of being a shooter nowadays. Ammo costs have more than doubled in less than 10 years.
Do you know anything at all about this one?
http://www.shoot-straight.com/p-122-pf9.aspx
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Eager_Igraine posted:
You never know when I might have to Stand My Ground some morning on the freeway, or in the donut shop osemthin. It's a scary world full of people who leave me in fear for my life.
Is that thing real?
Looks like a pretty stupid contruction.
Or just an artists idea of some kind of fantasy firearm?
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Ashmaele posted:
Cawlin posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Guns are insanely expensive nowadays
Not really relative to inflation and such over the past 15 years or so...
In fact, you can buy a semi-auto pistol that is perfect for self defense or competition (in the stock division) for $500. The same pistol may have cost $50 less 10 years ago.
Ammo is the pricey part of being a shooter nowadays. Ammo costs have more than doubled in less than 10 years.
Do you know anything at all about this one?
http://www.shoot-straight.com/p-122-pf9.aspx
Not from personal experience, no.
I believe though that Regulator_cracka, Koneg, and maybe Ros have some experience with Kel-Tec firearms.
I WILL have some experience with the brand myself within the next year or so... there are two Kel-tec guns on my wish list, but not for carry guns - which is not to say that I think Kel-tec makes bad carry guns but that I just have a lot of trigger time and familiarity with my present carry gun.
For a carry gun, I go with Glock - a lot of that is personal bias - but in my mind, when it absolutely positively has to go BANG, I go with Glock.
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I could wikipedia an answer for you, but I'm feeling lazy. iirc this was a french design that predated the common revolver and used black powder with separate percussion caps affixed to the back of each barrel. Its an extreme version of that kind of design, but not imaginary.
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RHWarrior posted:
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You never know when I might have to Stand My Ground some morning on the freeway, or in the donut shop osemthin. It's a scary world full of people who leave me in fear for my life.
Is that thing real?
Looks like a pretty stupid contruction.
Or just an artists idea of some kind of fantasy firearm?
That is an artist's drawing of one, but guns like that were most definitely manufactured. They pretty much stopped being made in the late 19th century to the best of my knowledge.
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okay I am just going to keep posting the ones I like until you tell me which one to buy
this one?
http://www.shoot-straight.com/p-247-642ct.aspx
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RHWarrior posted:
Eager_Igraine posted:
You never know when I might have to Stand My Ground some morning on the freeway, or in the donut shop osemthin. It's a scary world full of people who leave me in fear for my life.
Is that thing real?
Looks like a pretty stupid contruction.
Or just an artists idea of some kind of fantasy firearm?
I was thinking "anti smoking ad" before Cawlin said it was real
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i've never understood the appeal of owning guns. but i don't live in the ghetto and i'm not a crazed rwn.
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Cawlin posted:
Ashmaele posted:
Guns are insanely expensive nowadays
Not really relative to inflation and such over the past 15 years or so...
In fact, you can buy a semi-auto pistol that is perfect for self defense or competition (in the stock division) for $500. The same pistol may have cost $50 less 10 years ago.
Ammo is the pricey part of being a shooter nowadays. Ammo costs have more than doubled in less than 10 years.
you can get an LC9 or LCP for under 400.
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Seething199 posted:
i've never understood the appeal of owning guns. but i don't live in the ghetto and i'm not a crazed rwn.
I'm a suburbanite and definitely not a rwn and I see the appeal of firearms. Have you spent time on a range or in other ways had personal experience with firearms in general? If not, I totally recommend skeet shooting as a starting point. 
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Ashmaele posted:
okay I am just going to keep posting the ones I like until you tell me which one to buy
this one?
http://www.shoot-straight.com/p-247-642ct.aspx
LOL that is a bigger and more important conversation a)than I have time for right now and b) than you should have with some r-tard like me over the internet.
There are lots of resources for you to look into to help you figure out what kind of carry gun you might want and you should google something like "how to pick a carry pistol" to see.
It's a big discussion with a lot of factors, and I don't want to be responsible for giving you advice off the cuff and on limited information that may or may not be appropriate for you.
I will tell you though that basically, any caliber from 0.350/9mm to 45 is fine for self defense - shot placement carries the day there.
Shot placement is all about proficiency with the weapon. If it kicks too hard or is too expensive to shoot you will not likely be willing to practice enough to gain proficiency.
Gun size is important for two reasons - first, concealability (physical dimensions) and carryability (weight). You are unlikely to carry a huge honking gun if you can't conceal it in your normal wardrobe or if it pulls your pants down because it's so fkn heavy, and what the fk good is a carry gun that you don't carry?
Ammo is a consideration - you will want to practice to the point that you have 1000+ rounds down range with your carry gun. That cost will vary WILDLY with the caliber you choose. 1000 rounds of 45 practice ammo will cost you around $400. 1000 rounds of 9mm will cost you around $200...
There's just a lot of stuff to think about man... if you really want to have that conversation I will share my thoughts with you on it, but shoot me a PM.
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Ashmaele posted:
Do you know anything at all about this one?
http://www.shoot-straight.com/p-122-pf9.aspx
This or a Ruger LC9 make great carry weapons. Both Kel-Tec and Ruger make quality firearms, both back them up with no-bullshiat warranties, and both go BANG when you pull the trigger.
I haven't fired any of the pocket 9mm from Ruger or Kel-Tec, as they didn't exist when I was shopping for a carry weapon. I've fired the Kel-Tec P3AT, and it came down to that weapon vs the Ruger LCP, and I ended up buying the Ruger LCP. If I were doing it over again right now it would be the Ruger LC9... or the Kel-Tec PF9... but I'd have to shoot them first to know for sure, and so will you.
Most shooting ranges will let you rent firearms - go down and give them both a trial run. You won't know which is better for you until you've fired them. Pocket or carry weapons are difficult to choose because so much of it comes down to things that cannot be known until you actually have the weapon in your hand. The size of your hand, the size of your fingers, your grip habits - all of these are critical when handling a compact firearm. It doesn't do you any good to purchase a firearm if it turns out that your grip habits have you accidentally actuating the mag release every time you go to fire it.
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Yeah that makes sense. That site is actually a shooting range that happens to also have a gun shop on site.
(You may remember a few years ago when a woman shot her son and then herself at a shooting range, it was at this place)
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Ashmaele posted:
Yeah that makes sense. That site is actually a shooting range that happens to also have a gun shop on site.
Follow Koneg's advice - try a bunch out, talk to different gun dealers. Everyone has their biases, some of which are about performance, some are based on ignorance of other brands, some biases are just rooted in urban legend, some are about what they have the best profits on...
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(You may remember a few years ago when a woman shot her son and then herself at a shooting range, it was at this place)
I remember this and for some reason I can't explain, was just thinking back to this story last week, and how awful it was to hear abuot... anyway... yeah... do what koneg said, try a bunch, research expenses, look into carry systems - that definitely matters too...
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Have either of you ever bought one at a gun show? They have them down here all the time and I've been told it's the most economical way to go. But I don't think you can try before you buy.
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Have either of you ever bought one at a gun show? They have them down here all the time and I've been told it's the most economical way to go. But I don't think you can try before you buy.
Yes but it's best to know what you want because as you mentioned, you can't try before you buy at most gun shows... buying used at a gun show is also a pretty big gamble unless it's a local dealer with a booth, that you can go back to if your used gun has issues...
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Beretta 92/96 9mm/40 or springfield xd9/40
one of them is pending wifes approval lol
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ruger feels like a womens gun
they dont feel solid in the hand at all, like they are too narrow or something.
glocks arent bad
im kinda preferential to sig, myself.
S&W
ive heard springfield arms is rock solid quality, theyre quite affordable too
go to the store and find one that feels comfy in your dainty little, petite hand
then come ask about it
im paying 20 bucks for 50rnd bags of reloaded .40 for range ammo
i think 9mm is a bit cheaper
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As a side note, for about a $500 investment in a used progressive reloading press some dies and a few odds and ends, your ammo prices can be cut WAY WAY down. I am presently reloading 45 ACP for about $17/100 rounds (used to be about $8.00/100 rounds), 40 S&W for about $15/100 rounds and if I reloaded 9mm, I could do it for probably $11/100 rounds. But I load FMJ bullets - need to switch back over to lead bullets I think because the prices per hundred goes from $17/16/11 to $12.50/11.50/8.50 per hundred rounds...
I went whole hog on my reloading setup and dropped $1500 on it back in 2003 (arguably I may have overspent  ) but I got a quality setup capable of reloading 400-600 rounds per hour. You can buy the same used setup for around $500 now if you shop around.
At the rate I shoot (5,000 pistol rounds/year on average - well down from my days when I shot SASS all the time and was up around 10,000 rounds/year), I save about $1000/year in pistol ammo alone (to say nothing of the rifle ammo that I probably shoot about 500 rounds of non 22 ammo/year at about a 60% savings over retail prices saving me another probably $300/year). Anyway, I made my initial $1500 investment back in the first year of reloading lol. It takes me about 4 weekends each winter to reload all my pistol brass with about a total time investment of ~15 hours not including the time I spend with the cases in the tumbler getting polished - which is just "turn it on and forget it for 8 hours over night" time.
1000 primers costs me around $21
A pound of powder which will load from between 1000 to 1500 rounds of pistol ammo depending on caliber costs about $22
Bullets are the rough part... for full metal jacket bullets I pay about $130/120/85 per thousand for 45 ACP/40 S&W /9mm (hypothetically) for lead bullets the price is considerably less $85/75/60 per thousand.
The big investment is the brass - which will be sort of expensive to start with an initial investment of $150 to $180 per thousand depending on caliber, but you can reload that stuff quite a number of times - I've got 12 or 15 reloads into some of my brass. Of course you can just reload factory brass that you buy loaded too... anyway... yeah... sweeney, it sounds like you're paying through the nose for your ammo dude.
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i was wrong
i had to go check one of my boxes, lol.
the bags are 100 rounds of remans for 20 bucks.
next up is the winchester 165 grain fmj at about $24/100rds
its been a while since ive made any purchases.
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i was wrong
i had to go check one of my boxes, lol.
the bags are 100 rounds of remans for 20 bucks.
next up is the winchester 165 grain fmj at about $24/100rds
its been a while since ive made any purchases.
That sounds much more reasonable there. $20/50 is more expensive than factory retail lol!
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Eager before you buy any handgun go to a range and test fire a CZ model. You may have to call around a bit until you find one that carries that brand as they are still not overly popular in the States. I personally love the CZ 75 but they make several good models. Reliable, durable, innately accurate.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Eager before you buy any handgun go to a range and test fire a CZ model. You may have to call around a bit until you find one that carries that brand as they are still not overly popular in the States. I personally love the CZ 75 but they make several good models. Reliable, durable, innately accurate.
I love my CZ 452 American 22 rifle 
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Eager_Igraine posted:
Right, 24 barrels, estimated 45-60 minute reload time, but fires reasonably quickly once loaded.
also, hella heavy to hold and aim.
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sweeny_comodore posted:
ruger feels like a womens gun
they dont feel solid in the hand at all, like they are too narrow or something.
try a vaquero. You can actually kill throwing it at someone.
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Reloading is a great way to cut ammo costs down. Especially the more expensive rounds, mostly rifle or magnum caliber pistols. I reload everything I shoot. Saves me so much money. Especially when target shooting/varmint hunting where I can easily burn through 500 rounds in a day, maybe more. I second that cawlin. Also yes before you buy a pistol test fire a few. Going to a store and handling one simply doesn't show you how it will perform for you, because every gun is different. Its almost like choosing a car, they all get the job done, but which is better for your needs, situation and money. Be picky and dont jump on the first that takes your eye. Research and find the best one for you.
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Moe_Nox posted:
Eager before you buy any handgun go to a range and test fire a CZ model. You may have to call around a bit until you find one that carries that brand as they are still not overly popular in the States. I personally love the CZ 75 but they make several good models. Reliable, durable, innately accurate.
Well I keep talking about it, but I have yet to actually purchase a pistol. I have test fired a few and didn't like the feel/action of any of them. I don't remember models, but one was a Glock, one was a S&W and I forget the third. I looked at getting a 9mm beretta as I'm most used to that, but the price seemed a bit steep when I looked, about $500 iirc.
I like the idea of hitting the range and renting stuff to test it out.
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I think I'm just going to get some 1911 clone. Tried and true. 
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1911 is a good investment, just research which manufacturer you are buying from as some have had batches of shoddy quality.
And yeah Eager make sure to test fire the model you are interested in. My wife had an idea of what she wanted for her ccp due to advice from some of her co workers, and after test firing she changed her mind completely, going after something different than what they advised.
And my last unsolicited pitch for CZ
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Completely impractical. But I want one anyway.
http://youtu.be/BM-DGaNmtA0
I can just imagine trying to clear a type 2 and type 3 malfunction at the same time..
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My ol' pa is a 1911 fanatic and even does work on them for people. I'll likely be following his advice.
I'd really like to get a .357 magnum revolver as well, just for fun.
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