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We need a high speed rail line. A lot of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
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-VanDraegon- posted:
We need a high speed rail line. A lot of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
that is an incorrect statement.
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-VanDraegon- posted:
We need a high speed rail line. A lot of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
Homeland Security and TSA would still be involved.
Terrorists like blowing up trains too.
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-VanDraegon- posted:
We need a high speed rail line. A lot of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
Do what? Have you ever dealt with AmTrack?
And you want to cost over run something let a government entity run it... ie Amtrack, USPS, etc.
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Spoken like a transportation civil engineer with a backlog to keep full 
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-VanDraegon- posted:
We need a high speed rail line. A lot of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
The TSA is already harassing train and bus depots, and Over The Road truckers. Some people in the liberty movement are fighting them but with the establishment media in the pocket of government, they aren't getting much help.
http://www.infowars.com/bob-barr-files-lawsuit-against-tsa-over-drudge-controversy
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I would much rather take a high speed train and spend a few hours more getting somehwere than deal with getting nickle and dimed by the airlines. The reason our domestic passenger rails are in the state they are in is from lack of upgrades and working on shoe string budgets. Modern rail infrastructure would go along ways to solving most of the problems Amtrak has.
Yes, there will still be safety screening but i have no doubts to the popularity of such a option.
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We are still suffering from the infrastructure bubble implemented by FDR and Eisenhower.
We cannot afford the infrastructure we have, what we do not need is an attempt to flush money down the crapper trying to re-inflate the bubble.
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The infrastructure we built under FDR (like the Hoove Dam) is what helped propel us into the leadership role we still benefit from.
Not investing in it, is one reason our industrial capacity and competitiveness is in such decline, of course transportation being just one infrastructure element amongst others that need investment.
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Hyperimiator posted:
The infrastructure we built under FDR (like the Hoove Dam) is what helped propel us into the leadership role we still benefit from.
Not investing in it, is one reason our industrial capacity and competitiveness is in such decline, of course transportation being just one infrastructure element amongst others that need investment.
Possibly. Competitive labor costs is another. It's tough to compete with the cost of labor in third world toilets. Maybe if we stopped dropping frickin bombs everywhere for a few decades at least, we could spend a few trillion dollars here on new roads, bridges, rails, whatever it takes to allow us to move goods and people more efficiently. But yeah, I can always dream.
Oh and LOL @ "infrastructure bubble." JFC the shiz that comes out of BT's fingertips is unreal.
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China is slowly divesting itself of US dollars. Who are you going to borrow the money from to pay for your grandiose schemes?
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Bat_Avenger posted:
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We need a high speed rail line. A lot of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
that is an incorrect statement.
Yours is the incorrect statement.
It is not incorrect to say "a lot" of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
How many or would it be more efficient is a separate question.
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China is slowly divesting itself of US dollars. Who are you going to borrow the money from to pay for your grandiose schemes?
Investors? Learn to capitalist would you. Stop thinking like a commie.
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High speed rail makes sense in some very small (comparatively) areas...it does not make sense for a country three times the size of Europe.
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High speed rail makes sense in some very small (comparatively) areas...it does not make sense for a country three times the size of Europe.
Yeah, the bigger it is, the slower and less efficient you want to go. Cars are the answer!
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High speed rail makes sense in some very small (comparatively) areas...it does not make sense for a country three times the size of Europe.
They can't even make it work for the New York City to Washington D.C. corridor. There to people prefer a 45 minute flight. I think that the people who pine for American rail have never spent any real time traveling this country via the road. If they did they would understand that we just aren't suited to a high speed rail solution. Airline travel is much more cost and time effective.
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Oh and LOL @ "infrastructure bubble." JFC the shiz that comes out of BT's fingertips is unreal.
And i thought my ACF dictionary was up to date. pfft.
If the rail system in the US wasnt a warn out, antiquated piece of crap it would get a lot more use. A high speed line running from Vancouver, BC to San Diego, CA makes a lot of sense and would get a lot of use.
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Bat_Avenger posted:
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We need a high speed rail line. A lot of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
that is an incorrect statement.
Do you have a single source for this statement or are you just trying to be a contrarian? People posting in this very thread have already said they would participate in a rail line.
And infowars? That's seriously what Aer has fallen to?
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Ah-Schoo posted:
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High speed rail makes sense in some very small (comparatively) areas...it does not make sense for a country three times the size of Europe.
Yeah, the bigger it is, the slower and less efficient you want to go. Cars are the answer!
Right now, airplanes are both quicker AND more efficient. Also cheaper.
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notmforce2k posted:
Bat_Avenger posted:
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We need a high speed rail line. A lot of people would choose that over putting up with all the BS involved in flying these days.
that is an incorrect statement.
Do you have a single source for this statement or are you just trying to be a contrarian? People posting in this very thread have already said they would participate in a rail line.
And infowars? That's seriously what Aer has fallen to?
Dont mind him. He just likes to be fondled by TSA then screwed by the airlines.
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Rhodoman posted:
Ah-Schoo posted:
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High speed rail makes sense in some very small (comparatively) areas...it does not make sense for a country three times the size of Europe.
Yeah, the bigger it is, the slower and less efficient you want to go. Cars are the answer!
Right now, airplanes are both quicker AND more efficient. Also cheaper.
Rho
This. A widespread high speed rail system would never work in this country, flying is just more efficient and quicker even including the time the TSA is grabbing your  because they think it might be a weapon.
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Rhodoman posted:
Ah-Schoo posted:
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High speed rail makes sense in some very small (comparatively) areas...it does not make sense for a country three times the size of Europe.
Yeah, the bigger it is, the slower and less efficient you want to go. Cars are the answer!
Right now, airplanes are both quicker AND more efficient. Also cheaper.
Rho
Possibly, depending on how you define 'efficient.'
I'l not play a one-line at a time semantics discussion though. So enjoy.
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This person had two overlay maps created for their own reasons but it works well enough to given an example of the differences between the North American continent and Europe.
http://a.wholelottanothing.org/2011/03/north-america-western-europe-equivalent-latitude-maps.html
Here is another overlay which further emphasizes the practical differences.
http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/bl-country-size-comparison-map.htm
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Aerlinthian posted:
China is slowly divesting itself of US dollars. Who are you going to borrow the money from to pay for your grandiose schemes?
The defense department.
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Certain corridors can benefit from High Speed rail, but not all.
"For long distance travel, Americans rely on their cars and the airlines."
"This reliance has led to massive congestion along major transportation corridors like I-95 in the Northeast Corridor. Today, businesses and commuters lose $115 million each year in wasted time and fuel and spend four billion hours per year stuck in traffic. 60 percent of the urban road miles of Interstate 95 are heavily congested. 70 percent of our nation's chronically delayed flights originate in the New York-New Jersey airspace. There is simply no more effective way to alleviate congestion of our roads and airways and get people to their destinations than rail."
"The Acela Express, Amtrak's high speed rail service along the Northeast corridor, has shown a positive return from its New York-to-D.C. route."
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/13/high.speed.rail.fact.check/index.html
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Laughable BS. BTW, not even the New York City transit system can stay out of the red and we have arguably the busiest & densest system in the country.
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Laughable BS. BTW, not even the New York City transit system can stay out of the red and we have arguably the busiest & densest system in the country.
Well it is run by HYPER ZIONISTS and the Tower 7 demolition team.
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Oh and LOL @ "infrastructure bubble." JFC the shiz that comes out of BT's fingertips is unreal.
And i thought my ACF dictionary was up to date. pfft.
If the rail system in the US wasnt a warn out, antiquated piece of crap it would get a lot more use. A high speed line running from Vancouver, BC to San Diego, CA makes a lot of sense and would get a lot of use.
The problem with rail travel is where do you go when you get off the train? The rental car agencies need to setup at the train station. The way things are setup right now in Seattle, we have three rail options, and none of them connect to each other. it's just plain retarded.
Edit: I mean 4, I forgot the god damn Monorail!
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Laughable BS. BTW, not even the New York City transit system can stay out of the red and we have arguably the busiest & densest system in the country.
GUESS WHAT, ALL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS ARE SUBSIDIZED ALL OF THEM.
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The problem with rail travel is where do you go when you get off the train? The rental car agencies need to setup at the train station. The way things are setup right now in Seattle, we have three rail options, and none of them connect to each other. it's just plain retarded.
Edit: I mean 4, I forgot the god damn Monorail!
Don't be hatin' on the monorail.
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There are some unbelievably stupid people on these boards.
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Rain funding is only increased by 5% in this proposal, it is not a Rail bill if that is what you think.
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