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why the fk does lady stickupherass (stark) hate jon snow so much? it's not his fault where he came from. i get that he's the symbol of your husband cheating on you but she hates him WAY too much for just that.
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She is a typical woman.
She finds something she can bitch about....and takes that bitching to the edge of sanity just to see how much she can get away with.
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I think the reason why it bothered her so much is in the series Ned Stark is always shown to be an honorable person. So it makes her question what was so special about the other person that caused him to cheat.
Just a guess. I might of missed something.
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She's a bish - Jon is just one more example.
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Because he is a reminder of the only time Ned Stark had ever broken his code of honor, and it was by cheating on her. And she got to see him every day and it was basically like throwing it in her face.
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yeah but i mean.. he was an innocent victim. i guess really i just don't understand the mindset one requires to raise a child (all but newborn when they meet.) and loathe him the way she does. she's worse than the lannisters in every way when it comes to him.
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It's because of who his mother is, but you don't learn that until later.
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ahhhh. i only read the first book and a small part of the second before i got sidetracked and then just never picked them up again. i was going to but then the wait and seeing nothing but the fat blowhard talk about football for years changed my mind. i really want to read more but i'm petty much going to just wait and watch the hbo show until he finishes it.
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ahhhh. i only read the first book and a small part of the second before i got sidetracked and then just never picked them up again. i was going to but then the wait and seeing nothing but the fat blowhard talk about football for years changed my mind. i really want to read more but i'm petty much going to just wait and watch the hbo show until he finishes it.
I don't think they ever actually come out and say for sure who his mother is, but its alluded to in I think the 4th book, might have been the 3rd... they all run together since I read them all at the same time except for the most recent one.
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It's hasn't been quite disclosed who Jon's mother is...
I have my theories, though.
And the reason she's a bitch is the same reason everyone in the story other than Tyrion is an idiot... *shrug*
Just wait until she turns in to a zombie witch and you'll like her again...
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why the fk does lady stickupherass (stark) hate jon snow so much? it's not his fault where he came from. i get that he's the symbol of your husband cheating on you but she hates him WAY too much for just that.
Because Mr Stark loved another women and Mrs Stark doesnt like this.
Also in mid-evil times when most of these books take their mythology from bastard children can be problems for the legitimate heirs when it comes to titles and what claims to land. Something that would be taken very seriously.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
It's because of who his mother is, but you don't learn that until later.
Nobody learns that, not even yet. Lady Stark certainly doesn't know, either.
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Jezza_Belle posted:
It's because of who his mother is, but you don't learn that until later.
We don't know that his mother is Ned's sister and the "dragon's" son.
I still think that ultimately, Jon will be the guy who kills the evil god in the north.
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I never liked Lady Stark because of this as well but I had to remind myself that in those times children were more of a "tool" of sorts. Yes they loved them but ultimately kids were needed to help on farms or to carry on the family legacy depending on what part of the caste you were in.
I find it a bit ironic that she's all butthurt about Ned hooking up with someone else (which was common back then) when she was originally betrothed to his older brother whom she actually loved. Since he was killed, Ned was kind enough to take her in and marry her instead even though I don't think she ever really had the feelings for Ned as she did for Brandon.
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It doesn't say who his mother it's but it talks more about the situation. She was kind of forced into marrying Eddard, and it was like "at least hes a great person." And he was for a long time until he cheated on her. So it was like the one strain on the relationship, but the kicker was that he would never allow her to talk about it. So it's like you get forced to marry a guy, and he has no sense of humour but other than that hes perfect, except one issue where he both cheated and is also a dick about it. So basically seeing him is a constant reminder that catelyn cant talk about it with ned.
I am thinking that his uncle Benjen is actually his father. Having him is the only time ned forsook his honor, so maybe it just didn't happen, which is why he can't talk about it, and doesn't feel as guilty as it seems like he should. He sees it as his duty to raise Jon Snow, but that doesn't mean he's going to take constant crap about it. His brother would have been killed if anyone knew he broke his oath
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-Mithan- posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
It's because of who his mother is, but you don't learn that until later.
We don't know that his mother is Ned's sister and the "dragon's" son.
I still think that ultimately, Jon will be the guy who kills the evil god in the north.
It makes sense, after the most recent book and we find out that Elia's son lives, When you think about that "The dragon has three heads".
I was actually thinking about the scene from Starfell when they talk about it... but I guess that could be a diversion of sorts.
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Wasn't it alluded that his mother was a dornish woman? Its been a while so I don't completely recall.
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After thinking about it a bit I think Ned stark might not even be Jons real father. I don't think he would cheat. Perhaps it was his sisters child or someone elses he needed to keep secret.
The only thing we can pretty much know for sure is that one parent was a stark.
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After thinking about it a bit I think Ned stark might not even be Jons real father. I don't think he would cheat. Perhaps it was his sisters child or someone elses he needed to keep secret.
The only thing we can pretty much know for sure is that one parent was a stark.
Yep, read this... it's pretty interesting.
http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/FAQ/Entry/2291/
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Is she a lazy whore of a female? There's your answer.
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It mentions in the book from her POV a couple times that Jon Snow looks like Ned--dark hair, ice-colored eyes, rugged northern features, while her children like Robb have Tully coloring. It bothers her that Jon seems more of a Stark than her trueborn children, and not to mention as others have that he is the constant reminder of Ned's supposed infidelity (for those of you who are like me that think J=R+L).
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Did it ever say how Ned starks sister died? From what has been said by barristian, it seems like Rheagar was a decent person
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I think the reason why it bothered her so much is in the series Ned Stark is always shown to be an honorable person. So it makes her question what was so special about the other person that caused him to cheat.
Just a guess. I might of missed something.
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Lyanna died in Ned's arm at the Tower of Joy near Dorne, at the end of Robert's Rebellion. In King's Landing after being attacked by Jaime Ned has a profound, recurring dream recollecting the events that took place there, when he and six companion came to 'save' Lyanna from three of Aerys' Kingsguard. As Howland Reed is the only other survivor of this encounter, we will know more when he makes an appearance, but as of ADWD he has not yet.
You can get a pretty comprehensive write-up of the history and evidence concerning the Jon Snow question here:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.html
It is only up to the third book, and there is some (but not a lot) of evidence from AFFC and ADWD. If you are that hungry for info on the books and history, my only advice would be to read them. 
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-Mithan- posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
It's because of who his mother is, but you don't learn that until later.
We don't know that his mother is Ned's sister and the "dragon's" son.
I still think that ultimately, Jon will be the guy who kills the evil god in the north.
I am going to have to disagree.
From season one Osha says, "The comet means one thing boy. Dragons." I am going with Daenery's doing that.
Going to be spoilers from ADWD below so beware.
In continuation I to what I posted before I am going to speculate that Jon snow is actually Rhaegar's son. Which will make him one of the three heads of the dragon. Going to guess the three heads of the dragon are Daenery's, John Snow, and Rhaegars other son.(Forget his name) It seems that the dragons only respect someone with the blood of old valyria so that makes the most sense. Though one problem I see with what I said is didn't Quenten have targaryn blood in him? Perhaps not enough?
Now that all hings on the fact that Jon snow survived in ADWD.
There was one passage in one of the books that always left me wondering... I think its in ADWD and I think it was Melisandre that said it. Something along the lines of a vision where she saw one of the dark lord minion's which was a man with a wolf head. Does that somehow mean Rob Stark is a servant of the dark lord who they wont mention the name of? This is assuming Rhollor is even good. Generally raising the dead is an evil act...
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Elmador_MoK posted:
Lyanna died in Ned's arm at the Tower of Joy near Dorne, at the end of Robert's Rebellion. In King's Landing after being attacked by Jaime Ned has a profound, recurring dream recollecting the events that took place there, when he and six companion came to 'save' Lyanna from three of Aerys' Kingsguard. As Howland Reed is the only other survivor of this encounter, we will know more when he makes an appearance, but as of ADWD he has not yet.
You can get a pretty comprehensive write-up of the history and evidence concerning the Jon Snow question here:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/jon.html
It is only up to the third book, and there is some (but not a lot) of evidence from AFFC and ADWD. If you are that hungry for info on the books and history, my only advice would be to read them.
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