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not tried to exterminate them eventually?
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The Unionized States of America 
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The Zionized States of America
FTFY
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JEWS JEWS JEWS
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The Unionized States of America
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Not if I have a say in it.
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Usury pisses people off.
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Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
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Phlegm573 posted:
IMHO posted:
The Unionized States of America
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Not if I have a say in it.
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Lots of societies - especially in modern times.
Define "long term".
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SirGarth posted:
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Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
Or the fact that they weren't allowed to go into other professions.
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SirGarth posted:
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Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
Not true. The pre-christian greeks and romans also complained about Jewish money lenders.
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GrymmDAOC posted:
SirGarth posted:
illmyrin posted:
Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
Not true. The pre-christian greeks and romans also complained about Jewish money lenders.
despite the fact that the christian crusaders/knights templars were the original mega bank
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oh, and as a christian nation, we are responsible for slaughtering more jews than hitler, throughout history
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never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
So, what you are saying is that while the Jews are, in fact, reprehensible people that everyone is justified in hating it isn't entirely their fault?
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not at all, just addressing the specific issue of money lending. 
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never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
Money handling was not considered unclean by early Christian churches but the practice of Usury was considered against god's laws. Jewish dogma doesn't have the same restrictions against charging interest.
I'll give examples...
Christian Loan. "Hey can I borrow 3 gold pieces?" "Sure(hands over the gold)."
Jewish Loan, "Oi canz I borrow tree gold pieces?" "Yes but I want 5 in return, by friday, and if you can't pay me I need collateral, your farm will do.(hands over 5 gold, one at a time, counting out loud)((Finds out what borrower needed the gold for and attempts to sabotage the ability of the borrower to pay it back in time))
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Yoss must be Jewish
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illmyrin posted:
SirGarth posted:
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
Money handling was not considered unclean by early Christian churches but the practice of Usury was considered against god's laws. Jewish dogma doesn't have the same restrictions against charging interest.
I'll give examples...
Christian Loan. "Hey can I borrow 3 gold pieces?" "Sure(hands over the gold)."
Jewish Loan, "Oi canz I borrow tree gold pieces?" "Yes but I want 5 in return, by friday, and if you can't pay me I need collateral, your farm will do.(hands over 5 gold, one at a time, counting out loud)((Finds out what borrower needed the gold for and attempts to sabotage the ability of the borrower to pay it back in time))
wow... that's absurd, historically inaccurate, completely wrong, and actually pretty offensive.
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It's not inaccurate. It's a made up example but that's what Usury means and that's how Usury was put into practice.
Pound of flesh, Shylock style.
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Jewish Loan, "Oi canz I borrow tree gold pieces?" "Yes but I want 5 in return, by friday, and if you can't pay me I need collateral, your farm will do.(hands over 5 gold, one at a time, counting out loud)((Finds out what borrower needed the gold for and attempts to sabotage the ability of the borrower to pay it back in time))
I think Illy is confused.
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i'm not sure what to say, ill.
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Jewish Loan, "Oi canz I borrow tree gold pieces?" "Yes but I want 5 in return, by friday, and if you can't pay me I need collateral, your farm will do.(hands over 5 gold, one at a time, counting out loud)((Finds out what borrower needed the gold for and attempts to sabotage the ability of the borrower to pay it back in time))
that's not at all true, and that's a really horrible stereotype of Jews you're perpetuating.
i'm assuming you're trolling, or at least hoping you are. either way, i'm done.
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SirGarth posted:
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Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
OMFG seriously???? FORCED?
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Study the history of the Jews. Garth is right. They were forced into certain professions in which they thrived in became rich and then were hated by the people they lived with. The main reason historically Jews and Gypsies were hated is because they refused to assiminate into the cultures they lived in.
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Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
OMFG seriously???? FORCED?
yeah, in many cases. it was one of the few jobs they were allowed to have in some societies. they were also frequently the only people who were willing to deal with other cultures making them natural choices for merchants as well.
seriously have to wonder about some of you here - is your knowledge of any other cultures based on negative stereotypes as well, or is it just judaism?
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i'm not sure what to say, ill.
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Jewish Loan, "Oi canz I borrow tree gold pieces?" "Yes but I want 5 in return, by friday, and if you can't pay me I need collateral, your farm will do.(hands over 5 gold, one at a time, counting out loud)((Finds out what borrower needed the gold for and attempts to sabotage the ability of the borrower to pay it back in time))
that's not at all true, and that's a really horrible stereotype of Jews you're perpetuating.
i'm assuming you're trolling, or at least hoping you are. either way, i'm done.
I tried spelling the accent. Big deal. And not I'm not confused between mobster loan sharks and Jewish loan sharks. My entire point was the practice of Usury, by the Jews(and mobsters)was what got them such a bad reputation, as in response to the OP. No I'm not trolling. No I don't think it's Evil Jewish DNA that made Yossarian's thread title factually interesting. I do think Usury and unfair banking practices is the root cause of the Jewish people's historical problems(pre 20th century).
No stress Garth. I really wasn't bashing Jews here. Just said "Oi, canz and tree." because it sounded like Woody Allen.
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[quote=illmyrin]Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
OMFG seriously???? FORCED?
yeah, in many cases. it was one of the few jobs they were allowed to have in some societies. they were also frequently the only people who were willing to deal with other cultures making them natural choices for merchants as well.
seriously have to wonder about some of you here - is your knowledge of any other cultures based on negative stereotypes as well, or is it just judaism?[/quote]
Who invented the concept Garth..... Usury was a term and practice quite long in effect before the birth of Christ.... You've got to be kidding me here.
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do you think Jews invented usury?
and that when they lend to outsiders they sneakily try to find ways to sabotage their ability to pay it back, as illmyrin seems to think?
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[quote=illmyrin]Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
OMFG seriously???? FORCED?
yeah, in many cases. it was one of the few jobs they were allowed to have in some societies. they were also frequently the only people who were willing to deal with other cultures making them natural choices for merchants as well.
seriously have to wonder about some of you here - is your knowledge of any other cultures based on negative stereotypes as well, or is it just judaism?[/quote]
I think all religious groups are equally insane.. 
And I know that Jews being just as human as everyone else obviously makes them douchebags, good thing you've got 7 billion other douchebags to keep you company. 
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Sabotage part was a bit much but everything else sounds accurate.
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Sabotage part was a bit much but everything else sounds accurate.
wow.
just... wow.
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Garth I wouldn't get mad at you for coming up with 100 examples of white christian bankers doing the same thing. Hell, you don't see Italians in shocked disbelief over someone referencing the Goodfellas.
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Greeks?
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Garth I wouldn't get mad at you for coming up with 100 examples of white christian bankers doing the same thing. Hell, you don't see Italians in shocked disbelief over someone referencing the Goodfellas.
Lots of Italians are upset with that portrayal. Personally, I embrace it. Speak of it again an' I'll break your knees!
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Who has tried to exterminate the jews? Only the germans.
edit: Not to make light of exterminating people, but talking crap about Jews... is not equal to exterminating. People talk crap about every minority and majority. If you only knew how much bad mouthing peole say about 'white people'.
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We were FORCED to become wealthy bankers! FORCED! We wanted to be poor like everyone else but they made us become filthy rich!!!
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SirGarth posted:
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Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
Well, sort of. Jewish moneylending goes back well before Christianity.
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Money handling was not considered unclean by early Christian churches but the practice of Usury was considered against god's laws. Jewish dogma doesn't have the same restrictions against charging interest.
This is also oversimplified. There are laws against usury, but they generally only apply between Jews.
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Lots of anti Jewish sentiment on youtube, too 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcZN8X6cJh4
And why they hate Bernie Madoff, Lehman Brothers, Goldman Sachs etc...are
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Can you name one society that has come in to direct, long term contact with a different society and hasn't tried to exterminate them eventually?
Try that one.
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The biggest reason the Jews were hated is because they tend to function as middlemen. No one likes the middleman. This same process can be seen in other ethnic groups like Armenians. But the armenians aren't well known in the west, so no one really cares about them.
If you were a peasant in Europe, you borrowed from a Jew, and the Jew in turn would get his capital from a wealthy christian noble. Both would profit from the ruinous interest at the expense of the peasant. That is why during peasant revolts, the Jews were the first to be attacked, to wipe clean any debts. The wealthier nobles would usually defend the Jews to save their own investments. The peasant meanwhile was ground into dust to pay the terrible interest rates the Jews had to charge to cover their own loans from the nobles.
This all changed with the rise of the big Christian banking houses like the Fuggers and Medici, which essentially drove the jewish moneylenders out of business until the modern era.
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This is a sad thread.
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Kjarhall posted:
This is a sad thread.
I couldn't agree more.
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It's not sad just full of misinformed people trying to act like they are being victimized when they are not.
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Kjarhall posted:
This is a sad thread.
this.
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the jews have been hated all throughout history because they let jeebus die
every plague, every bad harvest, every dead baby usually resulted in the slaughter of many jews in an effort to appease the one true god.
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The Jews were kicked out of the promised land twice (at least) before the whole killing Jesus thing was an issue.
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The Jews were kicked out of the promised land twice (at least) before the whole killing Jesus thing was an issue.
So its just that they're bad people, on average?
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bstulic posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
The Jews were kicked out of the promised land twice (at least) before the whole killing Jesus thing was an issue.
So its just that they're bad people, on average?
Bad people? Who said anything about that. They have a long history of pissing people off though. They really pissed of the Romans. Why do you think there were Jews all over Europe?
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Sin_of_Onin posted:
bstulic posted:
Sin_of_Onin posted:
The Jews were kicked out of the promised land twice (at least) before the whole killing Jesus thing was an issue.
So its just that they're bad people, on average?
Bad people? Who said anything about that. They have a long history of pissing people off though. They really pissed of the Romans. Why do you think there were Jews all over Europe?
Conquest!
Or they angered their God?
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I think everyone else is mad that the Jews were the first one's to think to call themselves God's favorite.
Not only are they teacher's pet but they are precocious about it.
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Usury pisses people off.
never mind the fact that Jews and others were forced into the profession because money handling was considered unclean by the early Christian churches...
lol This is ridiculous... oh yes, they were forced into being merchants who ripped people off! Kind of like how the gypsies were forced to rob people alongside the road. 
It's way in the past, but there's no excuse for those practices - they did rather well for themselves despite being forced to be merchants.  Every civilization or group of people has a dark side in its history... lets not make excuses for them. People do bad things, Jews included.
I think where a lot of the animosity comes from is that despite being a relatively small portion of the population, Jews hold a lot of power, money, and influence. They're usually not more than 2% of the population in any country (usually less than half a percent), yet they're prominent. Even here in Buenos Aires, there's a neighborhood where all the Jewish shops are and they own most of the gold and jewelry stores as well. It's common to hate the rich and bankers.
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Conquest!
Or they angered their God?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_diaspora
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sweeny_comodore posted:
oh, and as a christian nation, we are responsible for slaughtering more jews than hitler, throughout history
please be careful with this, im sensitive about hitler and jews, i lost my grandfather in a concentration camp... he fell from a guard tower. 
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Jewish people (Jews) are greatly misunderstood. They are just like everyone else. If you look at them through a biased lens, then you are going to end up saying: Jew this or Jew that. I live and work with many Jews. Sometimes I will think wtf is all this detailed nit picking about? Or, why is this guy haggling over such a small price? This is not the norm, even for Jews. Then I realize it is natural, not to just Jews, but to anyone who is human. If Jews are anything , then they are transparently human.
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