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http://www.nature.com/news/lsd-helps-to-treat-alcoholism-1.10200
The powerful hallucinogen LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) has potential as a treatment for alcoholism, according to a retrospective analysis of studies published in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
The study1, by neuroscientist Teri Krebs and clinical psychologist Pål-Ørjan Johansen of the Norwegian University of Science and Technology in Trondheim, is the first-ever quantitative meta-analysis of LSD–alcoholism clinical trials. The researchers sifted through thousands of records to collect data from randomized, double-blind trials that compared one dose of LSD to a placebo.
Of 536 participants in six trials, 59% of people receiving LSD reported lower levels of alcohol misuse, compared to 38% of people who received a placebo. “We were surprised that the effect was so clear and consistent,†says Krebs. She says that the problem with most studies done at that time was that there were too few participants, which limited statistical power. “But when you combine the data in a meta-analysis, we have more than 500 patients and there is definitely an effect,†she says. In general, the reported benefits lasted three to six months. Their findings are published today in the Journal of Psychopharmacology.
 
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Who the eff can't tell the difference between LSD and a pacebo?
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"Facing the Habit" on Netflix is a documentary about a guy kicking heroin by using hallucinogenics. Kind of brutal.
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paulg_68 posted:
Who the eff can't tell the difference between LSD and a pacebo?
For much of human history the passage into 'adult' hood involved the consumption or intoxication by some means of some bad ass drugs, natural drugs.
If you could get through it and keep your cool - you were alright. If you couldn't get through it and be cool while going through it, you were on the shit list and low on the totem pole.
Now a days weak ass minded peons that can't handle their shit and freak out at the first sign of a house fly are trying to run shit.
Fuck that.
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paulg_68 posted:
Who the eff can't tell the difference between LSD and a pacebo?
The placebo will have a mild effect, like it will be a benzo such as ativan... somethign that makes you think you got some medicine, but it is something that has nothing to do with helping with alcoholism.
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Snarf_Igraine posted:
paulg_68 posted:
Who the eff can't tell the difference between LSD and a pacebo?
The placebo will have a mild effect, like it will be a benzo such as ativan... somethign that makes you think you got some medicine, but it is something that has nothing to do with helping with alcoholism.
Thanks captain decoder ring... We all already know wtf a placebo is.
Are you related to Koneg?
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You suffer from reading comprehension. Stop using drugs sir. Paul is asking how is it possible that someone is getting a placebo and not be aware they did NOT get LSD. For example if you gave me a sugar pill and was told I was getting LSD I would think uh, no I didnt, this didn't do anything to me. To trick people into thinking they are getting the real medicine when in fact you are giving them a placebo you have to have the placebo affect them noticeably.
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reesescups posted:
paulg_68 posted:
Who the eff can't tell the difference between LSD and a pacebo?
For much of human history the passage into 'adult' hood involved the consumption or intoxication by some means of some bad ass drugs, natural drugs.
If you could get through it and keep your cool - you were alright. If you couldn't get through it and be cool while going through it, you were on the shit list and low on the totem pole.
Now a days weak ass minded peons that can't handle their shit and freak out at the first sign of a house fly are trying to run shit.
Fuck that.
while i admit that i wholeheartedly agree with you...
i must also admit that i am addicted to placebos.
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Snarf_Igraine posted:
You suffer from reading comprehension. Stop using drugs sir. Paul is asking how is it possible that someone is getting a placebo and not be aware they did NOT get LSD.
And you apparently are suffering from a lack of a brain.
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I'd think most people, even one that have no experience with drugs, would know whether or not they were tripping on acid. A benzo is not going to make the room start moving.
the idea of an LSD placebo is kind of 
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My five year old says that burn too. I tell her not to use drugs or she will end up like Reese.
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Sea_of_inK posted:
I'd think most people, even one that have no experience with drugs, would know whether or not they were tripping on acid. A benzo is not going to make the room start moving.
the idea of an LSD placebo is kind of
Most people have not dropped acid. THe average person has no idea what to expect it will feel like, a 2-3mg hit of ativan is gonna make the average person feel like whoooaaaa.
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the idea of an LSD placebo is kind of
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ativan you say?
And I support the use of hallucinogenics if it helps get people off heroine. I have seen articles also saying marijuana can help get people of heroine and opioids. Better to do than cold turkey, thats for sure, and if it is more effective than methadone that would be great. I wonder if it would help against relapses more too than methadone
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Snarf_Igraine posted:
My five year old says that burn too.
Hint for ya
Your 5 year old is smart, smarter than you. make sure you don't eff them up, alright?
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Snarf_Igraine posted:
Sea_of_inK posted:
I'd think most people, even one that have no experience with drugs, would know whether or not they were tripping on acid. A benzo is not going to make the room start moving.
the idea of an LSD placebo is kind of
Most people have not dropped acid. THe average person has no idea what to expect it will feel like, a 2-3mg hit of ativan is gonna make the average person feel like whoooaaaa.
Yea, right before they fall asleep.
You don't have to have experienced it to know what to expect.
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reesescups posted:
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My five year old says that burn too.
Hint for ya
Your 5 year old is smart, smarter than you. make sure you don't eff them up, alright?
No worries, I am not going to screw up like you did, or your parents before you. 
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by the way, you know what else helps cure alcoholism...
good jobs and a thriving economy. 
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Snarf_Igraine posted:
reesescups posted:
Snarf_Igraine posted:
My five year old says that burn too.
Hint for ya
Your 5 year old is smart, smarter than you. make sure you don't eff them up, alright?
No worries, I am not going to screw up like you did, or your parents before you.
That doesn't even make any sense...
But go on with your bad self...
snap snap snap
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Poor reese... the drugs have taken a toll.
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Poor reese... the drugs have taken a toll.
Is that what you are falling back on or something?
I'm kicking your ass all over the place, my parents raised a kid that is kicking your ass all over the place - and you are worried about your kid calling you out...
You live in a fantasy world you schmuck... Your kid is calling you out on it - you said so yourself.
SEEK HELP DUMB ASS.
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Our government has been blocking this for decades, you should ask yourself why they would do that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibogaine
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ZartanAround posted:
by the way, you know what else helps cure alcoholism...
good jobs and a thriving economy.
HARRUMPHH!!! HARRUMPHH!!! harrumph, harrumph... 
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reesescups posted:
Snarf_Igraine posted:
Poor reese... the drugs have taken a toll.
Is that what you are falling back on or something?
I'm kicking your ass all over the place, my parents raised a kid that is kicking your ass all over the place - and you are worried about your kid calling you out...
You live in a fantasy world you schmuck... Your kid is calling you out on it - you said so yourself.
SEEK HELP DUMB ASS.
Heh she says that to her brother, nice assumptions though. The only thing you have succeeded in kicking aruond tonight is a few thousand more braincells. Keep drinkin and smoking there chief, it's not like you are changing that much from long term mental health anyway. 
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Come on tell me how you really feel.
If you aren't posting in sentographs you just aren't trying!
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I do wonder if a ketamine would work as a placebo in such a trial or if that is already too strong. or probably too related to the real thing
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Reese is gonna have a helluva hangover this morning.
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Reese is gonna have a helluva hangover this morning.
Not at all...
But it was raining pretty heavy last night so I didn't take the trash out. Figured I could do that this morning. However, I just woke up to the trash man driving by...
/Sigh
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Hmmm, not sure tripping drivers will be better than drunk drivers.
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