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"I apologize for calling the little whore a slut".
Well, it's a start I guess. 
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Dont understand why he did that. Perhaps he had a fight with some woman in his life before that. He's a hater
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He did it for ratings.
If you still listen to him it shows how much kool-aide you have drank.
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I dont listen to him anymore. I dont listen to any political talking heads.
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He went too far calling her names but I too resent a Princeton college student going to Washington and complaining she can't afford her sexual habits. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Why must we pick up the tab yet again this time for a horny college student who wants to get laid?
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That was a universal you. not you personally Bonk. There are a lot of people defending him right now. it's funny and sad all at the same time.
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People are so god damned stupid.
She was there talking about a friend who needed the pill for medical reasons, not sexual habits, not her own situation, she never mentioned sex, either her friend or herself having it....
But still, small minded little shit bags want to talk about her sexual habits, her being sexually active, her getting a stiff dick in the pussy.....wtf? You "moral" or "fiscally conservative" people are hypocrites of the highest order, you are also idiots.
At least know what the fuck you are talking about before you start bitching about the sexual habits of some young woman. That wasn't even the issue here, was never brought up, was never part of the discussion....until that fat asshole made up a bunch of stupid shit and you followed his lead like the stupid little shit bags you are.
Rush is very efficient and very persuasive with his target audience (stupid little shit bags), he is also very good at changing the conversation from reality to his preferred fantasy to get the idiots riled up.
I'd be sad if I thought about how effective that bastard is, instead I'll think about how glaringly and overtly stupid anyone who follows his lead is. Then I'm just angry, not sad.
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He went too far calling her names but I too resent a Princeton college student going to Washington and complaining she can't afford her sexual habits. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Why must we pick up the tab yet again this time for a horny college student who wants to get laid?
Yeah, the sense of entitlement is insane.
Next up: taxpayer funded feminine hygiene products. You heard it here first folks.
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Apparently this issue resonates with conservatives!
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It resonate with idiots, misogynists, dumb asses, and sharia law supporters.
They don't even know what is going on, but are more than ready to be pissed about some made up fantasy provided by a fat, drug addicted, pervert.
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People are so god damned stupid.
She was there talking about a friend who needed the pill for medical reasons, not sexual habits, not her own situation, she never mentioned sex, either her friend or herself having it....
But still, small minded little shit bags want to talk about her sexual habits, her being sexually active, her getting a stiff dick in the pussy.....wtf? You "moral" or "fiscally conservative" people are hypocrites of the highest order, you are also idiots.
At least know what the fuck you are talking about before you start bitching about the sexual habits of some young woman. That wasn't even the issue here, was never brought up, was never part of the discussion....until that fat asshole made up a bunch of stupid shit and you followed his lead like the stupid little shit bags you are.
Rush is very efficient and very persuasive with his target audience (stupid little shit bags), he is also very good at changing the conversation from reality to his preferred fantasy to get the idiots riled up.
I'd be sad if I thought about how effective that bastard is, instead I'll think about how glaringly and overtly stupid anyone who follows his lead is. Then I'm just angry, not sad.
Say it loud brother!!!
I'm thinking a lot of people are waking up to what a clown the guy really is. I'd have second thoughts about him if I was a dittohead.
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He went too far calling her names but I too resent a Princeton college student going to Washington and complaining she can't afford her sexual habits. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Why must we pick up the tab yet again this time for a horny college student who wants to get laid?
Yeah, the sense of entitlement is insane.
Next up: taxpayer funded feminine hygiene products. You heard it here first folks.
... then again some of the dittoheads have taken such a hard swig of the kool-aide they may never wake up.
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I'm thinking a lot of people are waking up to what a clown the guy really is. I'd have second thoughts about him if I was a dittohead.
You'd be wrong. I am willing to lay money down that his numbers will be higher. There are no shortage of idiots when it comes to the US population.
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Sandra fluke is a professional woman's lib advocate. She chose two cases non sex related "of course" to further her goal. She is not the innocent little girl attacked she is being made out to be.
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Well if thats the case he shouldve attacked her on the issues rather than calling her a slut and a whore.
Talk like his appeals to many in his target audience. Dont know how women can listen to him.
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Sandra fluke is a professional woman's lib advocate. She chose two cases non sex related "of course" to further her goal. She is not the innocent little girl attacked she is being made out to be.
With people like Rush around I have no problem with professional woman's lib advocates. There is a lot of stupid misogyny out there.
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The issue is whether or not religious organizations have to pay for and provide birth control. Personally I think they should. Who in this day and age is against birth control of all things?
Now if this was abortion the situation would be different but birth control?
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What kind of whore wants us to pay for her slutty lifestyle?
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Sandra fluke is a professional woman's lib advocate. She chose two cases non sex related "of course" to further her goal. She is not the innocent little girl attacked she is being made out to be.
Shhh! You will get in the way of all the white knights riding to rescue her from the big bad man.
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Its all about conservatives not wanting to pay for something which they think will allow women to have more sex outside of marriage. No mention of the men. Its all the woman's fault!
This feeling is found in other religions like Islam who blame women more than men for sexual infidelity.
Hatred and mistreatment of women is very widespread in the big three monotheistic religions
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Dont know how women can listen to him.
Really? Think about it Bonk. You get 10 women in a room and within two hours they are at each other's throats. I am willing to bet women are much more spiritual than men. They are all about feelings. A lot of them probably believe what Rush is selling. I am not talking about young women. I am talking about older women. I bet more women listen to Rush than men. It would be interesting to see the demographics.
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Sandra fluke is a professional woman's lib advocate. She chose two cases non sex related "of course" to further her goal. She is not the innocent little girl attacked she is being made out to be.
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I find that hard to believe. I personally believe his target audience is mostly working men driving around in cars, the same audience that Tom Liccus tapped.
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People are so god damned stupid.
She was there talking about a friend who needed the pill for medical reasons, not sexual habits, not her own situation, she never mentioned sex, either her friend or herself having it....
But still, small minded little shit bags want to talk about her sexual habits, her being sexually active, her getting a stiff dick in the pussy.....wtf? You "moral" or "fiscally conservative" people are hypocrites of the highest order, you are also idiots.
At least know what the fuck you are talking about before you start bitching about the sexual habits of some young woman. That wasn't even the issue here, was never brought up, was never part of the discussion....until that fat asshole made up a bunch of stupid shit and you followed his lead like the stupid little shit bags you are.
Rush is very efficient and very persuasive with his target audience (stupid little shit bags), he is also very good at changing the conversation from reality to his preferred fantasy to get the idiots riled up.
I'd be sad if I thought about how effective that bastard is, instead I'll think about how glaringly and overtly stupid anyone who follows his lead is. Then I'm just angry, not sad.
Wait a second. Are you saying Corky's a stupid little shit bag?
Oh, carry on then. 
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I do not give a crap about rush. My main concerns are two fold. Why the hell is ANYTHING being mandated by government for medical coverage and why does the far left have such a hard on for giving away free shit all the time?
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I find that hard to believe.
I am not surprised. 
Edit: I always thought Corkey was a liberal dem.
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I find that hard to believe.
I am not surprised.
Edit: I always thought Corkey was a liberal dem.
meh... I always thought you were a conservative Rep 
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I honestly don't know why when I don't support many of their values. People like to believe what they believe. [face_shrug]
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Jebus you are an idiot.
The government isn't "giving away" anything here.
It's just a mandate that all insurance companies cover contraceptives as a basic service. It isn't the government paying for it, they aren't giving it away....
How god damn stupid do you have to be not to understand that?
I mean, WTF? Is your head up your own ass? Do you not understand English?
This is about what health issues a private insurance company must cover. It is about that insurance company not being able to say to someone, "We don't cover that, go fuck yourself" about a common medical issue.
It falls into the same category of issues as not letting a car company build a car that bursts into flames and explodes when you shut the door, or not letting an airline fly planes where the wings are falling off. It has NOTHING to do with sex, nothing.
It's only your own, stupid little shit bag mind, that is allowing you to think it does. Idiot.
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heh relax Ptilk, you are going to have a stroke. They would know the truth if they only spend a moment or two paying attention.
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I'm fine. Had this out in person with a "good christian" idiot last night at a party I threw.
Don't know how he got invited, friend of mine (who was invited and should have known better) brought him as her date, and he proceeded to talk about the "sluts" and the "niggers" and the "faggots" at dinner. Tried to be nice in throwing him out, but he got offended that I dare stand up for "deviants" and started screaming about his "constitutional rights".....
Some of the 8 or so guys who threw him to the curb (literally) were "deviants" by his description which made my laugh. He called the cops and was threatening to sue me and wanted everyone arrested for assault. I explained that I had asked his stupid ass to leave but he refused and was threatening other guests so he was "escorted" to the curb. Cops took him home, the woman who brought him was shunned and left, party was epic after that 
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I have no idea who this is about, but I would like to once again thank the liberals for another Rush thread and telling me to not pay any attention to him.
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I'm fine. Had this out in person with a "good christian" idiot last night at a party I threw.
Don't know how he got invited, friend of mine (who was invited and should have known better) brought him as her date, and he proceeded to talk about the "sluts" and the "niggers" and the "faggots" at dinner. Tried to be nice in throwing him out, but he got offended that I dare stand up for "deviants" and started screaming about his "constitutional rights".....
Some of the 8 or so guys who threw him to the curb (literally) were "deviants" by his description which made my laugh. He called the cops and was threatening to sue me and wanted everyone arrested for assault. I explained that I had asked his stupid ass to leave but he refused and was threatening other guests so he was "escorted" to the curb. Cops took him home, the woman who brought him was shunned and left, party was epic after that
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Here is a letter I received from Debbie Wasserman Scultz this morning:
Mo --
So here's the latest in the GOP's attack on women's health:
Rush Limbaugh is now leading the charge, waging a series of ugly attacks on a Georgetown law student named Sandra Fluke, who bravely testified in Congress to protect a woman's access to contraception and preventive care.
His response? He called her a "slut" who "wants to be paid to have sex," adding, "she's having so much sex, she can't afford the contraception." He neglected to mention that Sandra was testifying about her friend who was denied birth control she needed in order to stop ovarian cysts from growing.
Displaying a stunning lack of leadership, Mitt Romney wouldn't denounce Rush's point of view, saying, "I'll just say this, which is, it's not the language I would have used."
Our President -- on the other hand -- called Sandra yesterday to thank her for speaking out for women.
As Democrats, we rally around and support the people who put themselves on the line for the things we believe in. Right now, we need to stand with Sandra.
Add your name in support of Sandra -- and everyone fighting to protect women's health.
The attacks coming from the GOP on women's health are way over the line -- and very dangerous.
Mitt Romney has come out in support of the "personhood" amendment, which would have outlawed some forms of birth control and even in-vitro fertilization. Rick Santorum declared contraception is "harmful to women." It's happening at the state level, too, like the bill Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell is about to sign into law that will force women considering abortions to have ultrasounds, and require doctors to ask them if they'd like a picture.
If we don't speak out, it'll continue.
We didn't fight as hard as we did for health care reform just to have key progress for women repealed by GOP politicians, like the Blunt-Rubio amendment would have done. And we didn't fight as hard as we did for women's rights just to have radio "entertainers" like Rush Limbaugh viciously attack women who stand up for the care they need.
Rush Limbaugh said Sandra's parents should be ashamed of her. President Obama told Sandra that her parents should be proud.
We're proud, too, because she's fighting for all of us.
Stand with Sandra and everyone else who's fighting for women's health today:
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Shocker that Grymmdaoc opens his noise hole and vomits out hate, why do you guys hate women?
Ptilk posted:
People are so god damned stupid.
She was there talking about a friend who needed the pill for medical reasons, not sexual habits, not her own situation, she never mentioned sex, either her friend or herself having it....
But still, small minded little shit bags want to talk about her sexual habits, her being sexually active, her getting a stiff dick in the pussy.....wtf? You "moral" or "fiscally conservative" people are hypocrites of the highest order, you are also idiots.
At least know what the fuck you are talking about before you start bitching about the sexual habits of some young woman. That wasn't even the issue here, was never brought up, was never part of the discussion....until that fat asshole made up a bunch of stupid shit and you followed his lead like the stupid little shit bags you are.
Rush is very efficient and very persuasive with his target audience (stupid little shit bags), he is also very good at changing the conversation from reality to his preferred fantasy to get the idiots riled up.
I'd be sad if I thought about how effective that bastard is, instead I'll think about how glaringly and overtly stupid anyone who follows his lead is. Then I'm just angry, not sad.
Well said!
I mean the horror of women actually liking sex I mean it could be like it's not the 1950's anymore! 
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Sandra fluke is a professional woman's lib advocate. She chose two cases non sex related "of course" to further her goal. She is not the innocent little girl attacked she is being made out to be.
Shhh! You will get in the way of all the white knights riding to rescue her from the big bad man.
Excuse me, but who the fuck are you two to determine someone's "innocence"? She was slut shamed in front of the entire nation and world stage because she wanted to testify about a medical procedure.
From your own mouth and quote, she chose two non sex related cases to demonstrate the medicinal value of MEDICINE. And you assclowns want to paint her as a slut so you can belittle and dismiss her views. Why? Because you are small boys who are embarrassed about talking about sex and its just so much easier to sweep the issue under the rug than allow facts, logic, and freedom to impede your world view.
Grow up. Comport yourself as a man should; respect yourself and your fellow women.
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Rush is an idiot.
Or maybe he is a genius...
The whole discussion has been twisted from what it was.
This has nothing to do with her sex life.
Maybe he was trying to redirect the argument.
I don't know.
Either way, Rush is an idiot.
Or a genius.
Idiot savant?
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Rush is an idiot.
Or maybe he is a genius...
The whole discussion has been twisted from what it was.
This has nothing to do with her sex life.
Maybe he was trying to redirect the argument.
I don't know.
Either way, Rush is an idiot.
Or a genius.
Idiot savant?
Genius??
Look at the candidates the GOP has put forth. They didn't get there on their own. Morons have pushed them to the top. Rush is just appealing to the least common denominator within that group. It doesn't take a genius to do that, it takes a person of low moral character.
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GrymmDAOC posted:
Corky_Aloof posted:
Sandra fluke is a professional woman's lib advocate. She chose two cases non sex related "of course" to further her goal. She is not the innocent little girl attacked she is being made out to be.
Shhh! You will get in the way of all the white knights riding to rescue her from the big bad man.
Excuse me, but who the fuck are you two to determine someone's "innocence"? She was slut shamed in front of the entire nation and world stage because she wanted to testify about a medical procedure.
From your own mouth and quote, she chose two non sex related cases to demonstrate the medicinal value of MEDICINE. And you assclowns want to paint her as a slut so you can belittle and dismiss her views. Why? Because you are small boys who are embarrassed about talking about sex and its just so much easier to sweep the issue under the rug than allow facts, logic, and freedom to impede your world view.
Grow up. Comport yourself as a man should; respect yourself and your fellow women.
Don't expect Grymm to act like a man he lost his balls during that LARP'ing incident in -03 took a foam sword to the nadgers and they just went right up his body, never came down again.
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Al bundy lol wow its been a long time since I watched that. Might have to start recording 
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Contraceptives are used to prevent pregnancy which is a result of sex. How does sex not factor in? fwiw, they should just spay and nueter the people who want this so that my insurance isn't driven up by another unfunded govt mandate.
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Rush should be more careful when demeaning whores....I guarantee his wife didn't sleep with any poor fat guys before marrying him. 
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IMHO posted:
GrymmDAOC posted:
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Sandra fluke is a professional woman's lib advocate. She chose two cases non sex related "of course" to further her goal. She is not the innocent little girl attacked she is being made out to be.
/thread
Even if it was given up a few posts prior... Hell, that's what makes it even better..
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He went too far calling her names but I too resent a Princeton college student going to Washington and complaining she can't afford her sexual habits. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Why must we pick up the tab yet again this time for a horny college student who wants to get laid?
Yeah, the sense of entitlement is insane.
Next up: taxpayer funded feminine hygiene products. You heard it here first folks.
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I'm fine. Had this out in person with a "good christian" idiot last night at a party I threw.
Don't know how he got invited, friend of mine (who was invited and should have known better) brought him as her date, and he proceeded to talk about the "sluts" and the "niggers" and the "faggots" at dinner. Tried to be nice in throwing him out, but he got offended that I dare stand up for "deviants" and started screaming about his "constitutional rights".....
Some of the 8 or so guys who threw him to the curb (literally) were "deviants" by his description which made my laugh. He called the cops and was threatening to sue me and wanted everyone arrested for assault. I explained that I had asked his stupid ass to leave but he refused and was threatening other guests so he was "escorted" to the curb. Cops took him home, the woman who brought him was shunned and left, party was epic after that
i'm shocked grymm got a date in the first place.
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Contraceptives are used to prevent pregnancy which is a result of sex. How does sex not factor in? fwiw, they should just spay and nueter the people who want this so that my insurance isn't driven up by another unfunded govt mandate.
I was going to answer your question, then I saw that you answered it in your own special way and realized my answered wouldn't make any sense to you.
Would the spay and neuter be covered under their insurance?
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He went too far calling her names but I too resent a Princeton college student going to Washington and complaining she can't afford her sexual habits. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Why must we pick up the tab yet again this time for a horny college student who wants to get laid?
Requiring private health insurance to provide contraception at no co-pay cost does not take a dime - not one dime - out of your pocket.
Furthermore - private health insurance is compensation and therefore is earned, not given.
Some of you need to stop living in the bubble and pay attention to wtf is actually going on.
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On average, it costs something like 16% more to get health insurance that doesn't include contraceptive coverage. Requiring that it be covered saves money.
People should be mad that their employers force them to pay more for health insurance because they don't believe in something.
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Taliesihne posted:
Corky_Aloof posted:
He went too far calling her names but I too resent a Princeton college student going to Washington and complaining she can't afford her sexual habits. Am I supposed to feel sorry for her? Why must we pick up the tab yet again this time for a horny college student who wants to get laid?
Requiring private health insurance to provide contraception at no co-pay cost does not take a dime - not one dime - out of your pocket.
Furthermore - private health insurance is compensation and therefore is earned, not given.
Some of you need to stop living in the bubble and pay attention to wtf is actually going on.
I agree with Corky, We should stop picking-up the tab for smokers too. And while were at it fat people, anorexics, People that drive cars or fly airplanes, people that live in tornado alley. If you think about it if they took all these people off the insurance dole I bet we could really cut costs.
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I hate women.
No shit, Sherlock.
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Contraceptives are used to prevent pregnancy which is a result of sex. How does sex not factor in? fwiw, they should just spay and nueter the people who want this so that my insurance isn't driven up by another unfunded govt mandate.
You're a phucking tool too. I guess with all the farm animals you have available to you (and your wife) there fortunately won't be any Friarspooge kids.
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The more you post SoBaKi the more I am convinced you are mentally ill. Functioning, but still mentally ill. At least that's the perception you give off here.
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The more you post SoBaKi the more I am convinced you are mentally ill. Functioning, but still mentally ill. At least that's the perception you give off here.
Maybe just angry, dismissive and doesn't suffer fools?
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Limbaugh would have been in favor of this, but was too stupid to realize why.
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Between this, Breitbart conspiracies and round 10403 of the birthtards the Republican party as an entity seems absolutely convinced that they do not want Obama to lose in November.
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You are voting for Santorium(sp)huh?
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I seriously can't believe this is even a topic...
How the eff have we as a nation gotten to the point where we have to debate the medical merits of birth control or contraception.
Religious bigots need to DIAF.
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No one is arguing their merits.
What is being argued is whether society should pay for them.
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What is being argued is whether society should pay for them.
Society isn't.
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What is being argued is whether society should pay for them.
Society isn't.
Not yet, but that is what's in question now.
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Paying for birth control is cheaper than not paying for birth control.
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Then buy birth control.
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What is being argued is whether society should pay for them.
Society isn't.
Not yet, but that is what's in question now.
No it's not in question. It's going to happen
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It may very well happen.
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No one is arguing their merits.
What is being argued is whether society should pay for them.
When you are calling people "sluts" you're at the very least implying a value judgment, which is absolutely merit-based.
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No one is arguing their merits.
What is being argued is whether society should pay for them.
When you are calling people "sluts" you're at the very least implying a value judgment, which is absolutely merit-based.
This was silly. Will you apply this same standard to calling people rednecks so then society should buy their shotguns for them?
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No one is arguing their merits.
Yeah, ok sparky...
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No one is arguing their merits.
What is being argued is whether society should pay for them.
When you are calling people "sluts" you're at the very least implying a value judgment, which is absolutely merit-based.
This was silly. Will you apply this same standard to calling people rednecks so then society should buy their shotguns for them?
Holy horrible, did you and paul collaborate on that awful analogy or is that your own creation?
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I've read through the first page of this and I'm still happy to say... I have no f'cking clue who he insulted or why, really.
I'm glad to have passed my IQ test for the month.
JFC, who listens to Rush anymore, anyway?
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Who listens to Rush?
Every single member of congress who is a Republican that's who. They don't dare say a word against him, whatever he says, they go with it. When one of them screws up and accidentally says something negative or disagrees with him, they are on national TV within 24 begging to be forgiving and sucking his schlong as hard as possible.
The guy has a HUGE influence in the Republican party, at the very top as well as with the mouth breathing base.
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You guys realize it wasn't the Obama Administration that said contraceptives need to be covered under insurance plans? That's been the case for a decade. What the Obama Administration said is that, since it is preventive, it needs to have no co-pay, as that is the standard for all preventive care. The reasoning being that folks need to be encouraged to do the preventive stuff, to help them stray healthy and to lower overall costs.
And, the public doesn't have to pay anything for it. For one thing, it is cheaper to offer contraception for free than not to offer it. For another, it is part of an individual's compensation package. They want it, they earned it, why shouldn't they have it?
Cheaper for them, cheaper for everyone else who has health insurance, fewer abortions, fewer unwanted babies, less missed time at work as...no baby, no family leave needed.
Win-win-win-win-win. Massive amounts of win.
Naturally, the right is against it.
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Who listens to Rush?
Every single member of congress who is a Republican that's who. They don't dare say a word against him, whatever he says, they go with it. When one of them screws up and accidentally says something negative or disagrees with him, they are on national TV within 24 begging to be forgiving and sucking his schlong as hard as possible.
The guy has a HUGE influence in the Republican party, at the very top as well as with the mouth breathing base.
I have to give some credit to George Will on this one:
“[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush’s language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that’s inappropriate. Not this stuff,†Will said. “And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they’re afraid of Rush Limbaugh.â€
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/03/george-will-republican-leaders-are-afraid-of-rush-limbaugh/
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“Talk about a double standard,†Limbaugh said. “Rappers can say anything they want about women. It’s called art. And they win awards.â€
This guy is too much.
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Paying for birth control is cheaper than not paying for birth control.
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I hope this is the end of Rush's run on the radio.
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This guy has an audience until he dies. And then, there are conservative stoonads who will listen to reruns. One hundred years from now he will be spoke of with the same absurd reverence accorded to the zombie Reagan. I think you guys should hire a taxidermist to preserve Rush's fathead when he dies. Obviously something about this guy inspires you.
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I wonder if Rush was high when he ranted about her like that. I cant even imagine flaming her like that. Seems so mean and crazy of Rush
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On average, it costs something like 16% more to get health insurance that doesn't include contraceptive coverage. Requiring that it be covered saves money.
People should be mad that their employers force them to pay more for health insurance because they don't believe in something.
This. Preventative health care is pretty much always cheaper than reactive health care. Not to mention the fact that birth control pills and the like are used for many other reasons besides simply stopping pregnancies.
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What is being argued is whether society should pay for them.
Society isn't.
However, as I discovered today, birth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if "gender reassignment" surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
She is a life long extreme liberal activist. Rush should not be, well, like Rush.
If this gal gets what she wants then 'insured' society will pay more for their insurance.
I'm guessing that the goal is to have government cover this as well...
...obviously.
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Is not most co-pay for this type of stuff like $10 to $20 a month?
In this case she is talking about birth control pills - covered, with no co-pay, for working women.
$10 to $20 is like 1.5 to 3 packs of Marlboro a month.
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My sluts cost more than $20 a month.
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She will not win this argument.
It is a private school.
She stated that she knew what their rules and medical benefits were before she went there but decided to go anyway.
She has an agenda.
Rush is an idiot.
Neither are going to get what they want.
"Fluke came to Georgetown University interested in contraceptive coverage: She researched the Jesuit college’s health plans for students before enrolling, and found that birth control was not included. “I decided I was absolutely not willing to compromise the quality of my education in exchange for my health care,†says Fluke."
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Dcomad preventative medicine should be covered with no co-pay.
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http://vnboards.ign.com/outpost/b22180/116244314/p1/?13
lol - I guess my estimate might have been a tad high on the co-pay (or maybe not, but who cares).
Wallie World has sold birth control pills, $9, for some 5 years!
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I pay, a co-pay, for my blood pressure medicine.
That is preventing something from happening...or so the guys in the long white suits keep on telling me.
No count?
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This is not about the cost of contraceptives.
That is what Rush wants you to talk about.
This is about a private jesuit school having the right to set the rules for those attending.
If you believe a person should trump a private school then that is your stance.
I think you cannot tell the school what to believe or do anymore then you can tell a person.
She made her choice by attending that school.
She knew what their policy was.
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I pay, a co-pay, for my blood pressure medicine.
That is preventing something from happening...or so the guys in the long white suits keep on telling me.
No count?
Thats not the same thing. I think you know that also.
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Why? I have hereditary high blood pressure.
I am doing nothing to put myself into a position that the blood pressure pills are designed to "prevent".
These pills are nothing more than "preventive" maintenance for me.
I think I know that.
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Okay well we're done. You can't be honest what preventative means.
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Why? I have hereditary high blood pressure.
And these pills are going to prevent that how?
What do they travel you back in time so you can shoot your dad in the face osmething?
Do they allow you to travel back to the moment you were conceived and allow you to alter your DNA to remove this condition?
Tych nailed it - you don't understand what the word preventative means.
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I think you cannot tell the school what to believe or do anymore then you can tell a person.
And you'd be wrong.
The fact is, the school, or the church by extension, has stepped out of it's domain and into a government regulated service.
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I'm a simple man.
From what I know, my pills are designed to prevent:
stroke (highest risk factor is high blood pressure)
impaired vision (blood vessels in the eye can burst (this is what caused me to go in initially - my vision is slightly blurry still))
arteries (high blood pressure is connected with the hardening of arteries)
kidneys (high blood pressure can screw up the blood vessels here and cause problems)
heart attack/heart failure (high blood pressure is the #1 risk to congestive heart failure)
These pills are helping prevent these five things (at least)...they are not 100% successful (obviously). Birth control pills are designed to prevent the normal outcome of sex, something one elects to partake in - but is obviously not 100% successful.
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Why? I have hereditary high blood pressure.
And these pills are going to prevent that how?
I would think that was obvious - when on these pills my blood pressure is normal (again, not 100% of the time).
I would also think it was obvious - when on birth control pill you stay normal (again, not 100% of the time).
Sometimes the pills fail what they are meant to prevent. In my case, the above five listed items.
In the other case, a pregnancy.
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Tych nailed it - you don't understand what the word preventative means.
As to this, you are simply applying the 'preventative' wrong. The real point is, what are you preventing...
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Preventative would be something that prevented the high blood pressure. Perhaps a gym membership or something like that.
If you still don't understand ask your pharmacist. CVS pharmacists will be more than happy to explain.
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I like how folks are trying to pretend it's this one, super radical feminist that is trying to force her radical viewpoint on poor, defenseless institutions. The truth is the opposite. almost two-thirds of the people in this country want contraceptives to be covered. They have been covered for years in many states, and, in many Catholic hospitals and schools with no problem.
Once again, right wingers are shocked, SHOCKED at something that has been happening for decades, and pretending like it is a brand new fight.
If contraceptives aren't covered, insurance premiums go up.
The majority of people want it.
It saves EVERYBODY money
It cuts down on abortions
It cuts down on families missing work for family leave or for dealing with those kids as they grow up and get sick and such
Viagra is covered. Complaints from the Bishops and from the right about that? <crickets>
But, keep on pushing. Every day this is an issue in the media, another few thousand women are motivated to vote Democratic.
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Dcomad posted:
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Tych nailed it - you don't understand what the word preventative means.
As to this, you are simply applying the 'preventative' wrong. The real point is, what are you preventing...
You don't understand what preventative means in regards to medicine.
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If contraceptives aren't covered, insurance premiums go up.
Contraceptives have been covered by private insurance for some years now...generally with a co-pay.
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Dcomad posted:
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Tych nailed it - you don't understand what the word preventative means.
As to this, you are simply applying the 'preventative' wrong. The real point is, what are you preventing...
You don't understand what preventative means in regards to medicine.
Then the question should be if those, by no fault of their own, need medicine to prevent the outcome of their lot in life - should they be forced to pay $10 for their life saving medicine...
...while others are not forced to pay $10 for their protection from their daily choices in life.
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It's pretty obvious you don't want to have a real conversation about this.
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Dcomad posted:
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[quote=reesescups]Tych nailed it - you don't understand what the word preventative means.
As to this, you are simply applying the 'preventative' wrong. The real point is, what are you preventing...
You don't understand what preventative means in regards to medicine.
Then the question should be if those, by no fault of their own, need medicine to prevent the outcome of their lot in life - should they be forced to pay $10 for their life saving medicine...
...while others are not forced to pay $10 for their protection from their daily choices in life.
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A large portion of our medical needs arise from our choices and are covered by medical insurance,and you don't have an issue with them...your argument is just stupid.
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Dcomad posted:
Then the question should be if those, by no fault of their own, need medicine to prevent the outcome of their lot in life - should they be forced to pay $10 for their life saving medicine...
...while others are not forced to pay $10 for their protection from their daily choices in life.
That isn't what preventative means you douche.
They aren't preventing anything in your case. You are already effed. This are just life support pills you are taking. Stop taking them and just effing die already - you insufferable prick.
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ineenia posted:
Dcomad posted:
Tych2 posted:
[quote=Dcomad][quote=reesescups]Tych nailed it - you don't understand what the word preventative means.
As to this, you are simply applying the 'preventative' wrong. The real point is, what are you preventing...
You don't understand what preventative means in regards to medicine.
Then the question should be if those, by no fault of their own, need medicine to prevent the outcome of their lot in life - should they be forced to pay $10 for their life saving medicine...
...while others are not forced to pay $10 for their protection from their daily choices in life.
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A large portion of our medical needs arise from our choices and are covered by medical insurance,and you don't have an issue with them...your argument is just stupid. [/quote]
Would that be with, or without, a co-pay?
This conversation, in case you missed it, was about a $10 co-pay! Or $9 if you go to Wallie World and pay less your normal co-pay for your pills!
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Both ....some are some aren't depending on the policy.Prenatal care is often covered 100%,and that comes from the same choice that the need for birth control comes from.Emergency services are often covered 100% and very often due to someones poor choices.
It is far cheaper to give 500 women birth control than it is to pay for a single pregnancy, and it is a fact that women given access to free birth control give birth less than those who have birth control available for sale in the area.So what you've basically doing is trying to make everyone pay more to support your morality while screaming they are trying to make you pay for their lack of morality...in other words your lying and or stupid.
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Dude only apologized after six sponsors pulled their money out of his pockets. He didn't mean it, he just needed his $$$ to buy more oxycontin and viagra.
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Dcomad posted:
I'm a simple man.
From what I know, my pills are designed to prevent:
stroke (highest risk factor is high blood pressure)
impaired vision (blood vessels in the eye can burst (this is what caused me to go in initially - my vision is slightly blurry still))
arteries (high blood pressure is connected with the hardening of arteries)
kidneys (high blood pressure can screw up the blood vessels here and cause problems)
heart attack/heart failure (high blood pressure is the #1 risk to congestive heart failure)
These pills are helping prevent these five things (at least)...they are not 100% successful (obviously). Birth control pills are designed to prevent the normal outcome of sex, something one elects to partake in - but is obviously not 100% successful.
They're preventing the side effects, but not actually preventing your blood pressure from hereditarily raising. That will happen, even with the pills. They just do exactly the same thing for you that they do for anyone else with high blood pressure, they bring your BP back down to more normal levels.
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I'd have no objection to taking away co-pays on meds. Even though I don't use any meds myself, so would be subsidizing folks who need them. Unlike right wingers and libertarians, I believe in community and all of us working together and helping all of us.
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