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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxeffOuV_5o
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LOOKS AWESOME!!
GW2 WILL RULE
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It tells you something sad about the MMO market that we see a footage that is basically an updated version of DAOC 10 years later and we're all excited because it seems ambitious compared to the crap that's been released lately. 
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It will be a lot different than **** without the trinity, much more toned down CC, and limited stealth.
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IT shows that DAOC had it right, and people should have given them more credit.
This is like DAOC 2 pretty much, and people will realize how awesome 3 way realm vs realm is.
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My hope is it is like daoc without the awful mechanics.
Of course I hoped that was what WAR would be too and then it sucked. 
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It will be a lot different than **** without the trinity, much more toned down CC, and limited stealth.
I know isn't it lame?
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it's rift with a 3rd faction....it's horrible looking...nonsensical button mashing and ae spamming
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People will have to play it to see how good it is
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I've never played the game and barely looked into anything about it but I will make a judgement on how bad it is.
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it's rift with a 3rd faction....it's horrible looking...nonsensical button mashing and ae spamming
I haven't played it (and neither have you) but everything they are talking about suggests the combat system is pretty much the opposite of that. They have manual dodging, intricate cross-class comboing, and only 10 usable skills at a time. What they are going for is basically the opposite of the "mash lots of abilities" school of MMO design rift had.
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World V Cubed sounds fun!
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/afk fapping
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxeffOuV_5o
Looks pretty good.
When Yuki drinks the Kool Aid you know we are in trouble!
It is DAOC 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyMRoB8Xff8&feature=related
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It will be fun..BUT, I do not like the idea that 1 pimp player can defend a keep against many. I do like seige, but I don't like a seige golem that can play at close range for the rich. I just want full on combat..no gimmicks.
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I've never played the game and barely looked into anything about it but I will make a judgement on how great it is.
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This is exactly what I have been waiting for. It is essentially DAOC2 without a shitty and incompetent dev team to screw it up.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPRmFQHjSpY
Guardian overview from the same guys.
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It has the right ideas. Anyone denying that either isn't interested in MMOs or is a moron.
Can it deliver? That remains to be seen.
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It will be fun..BUT, I do not like the idea that 1 pimp player can defend a keep against many. I do like seige, but I don't like a seige golem that can play at close range for the rich. I just want full on combat..no gimmicks.
They address this in the video. The "Realms" are going to have to starve the keeps of resources which cannot be upgraded/repaired without them. It is fairly easy to get the doors down when they are not repaired. Resources have to be protected along the way to the keep as they are being delivered through the normal routes (I really like that idea instead of having players carry them a la DAoC also because that should prompt some constant side skirmishes to protect resources).
So far as the Seige Golem, I got the idea that it is very expensive to build resource wise.
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Pretty sure I'm sold. Does it have like a rp/rl system?
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I have a history of saying games are going to be awesome when in fact they are the worst piles to ever be created.
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zergs are stupid
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I hear they plan on making 3 pvp servers. Anddred, Moredred, and Newdred.
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Jorrdan posted:
Halloweve posted:
It will be fun..BUT, I do not like the idea that 1 pimp player can defend a keep against many. I do like seige, but I don't like a seige golem that can play at close range for the rich. I just want full on combat..no gimmicks.
They address this in the video. The "Realms" are going to have to starve the keeps of resources which cannot be upgraded/repaired without them. It is fairly easy to get the doors down when they are not repaired. Resources have to be protected along the way to the keep as they are being delivered through the normal routes (I really like that idea instead of having players carry them a la DAoC also because that should prompt some constant side skirmishes to protect resources).
So far as the Seige Golem, I got the idea that it is very expensive to build resource wise.
The supply resource system is actually one of the cooler new features they have put into the RVR formula IMO.
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It has the right ideas. Anyone denying that either isn't interested in MMOs or is a moron.
Can it deliver? That remains to be seen.
This.
Also, buying and hauling wood to repair keep doors was a major PITA, but also motivated folks to take DF for bestest gold farming to buy wood to repair keep doors. I remember I started Armor crafting so I could repair doors. Sheesh that was a long time ago.
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I think the idea of supply is to make it less about spending gold and more about holding territory. Which is a good change IMO.
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Knowing only the little expressed in this thread, I am ok with the general supply idea. It sounds like you might have standard wagon train type convoys that all sides could raid and/or defend, sort of an expansion of DAoC's individual frontier quests but made open and continuous.
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They show a supply base and caravan at the end of the video IIRC. Basically you take the base and then it spawns a caravan every 10 mins that goes to the keep. If it gets there without being jacked it adds supply to the keep's supply pool.
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the lack of apparent speed will be awesome running across huge maps and catching people.....full of awesome
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I still have no idea about how pvp will work.. but it SUCKS!!
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i will defend with glaring stupidity the dumb design decisions because it will be the most awesomest game ever! 
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Walker is not even worth arguing with
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Walker_ID posted:
tenkly posted:
i will defend with glaring stupidity the dumb design decisions because it will be the most awesomest game ever!
you have no idea how it will be implemented which makes your argument invalid
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I'm not sure having extra speed options is good or bad.
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Speed classes are bad design in a pvp game. They just became mandatory group members. It would go against the basic setup of GW2 to have classes you absolutely have to have in your group.
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crawling around at snail speed across a huge map and not being able to catch someone who decides to just run away because you can't close on them is epically stupid
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Where does it say that's exactly what's going to happen?
again, stfu if you dont want to take the time to learn about the game.
all classes have certain skills that makes running away not that easy to do.
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Things wouldn't be any different with speed unless they didn't have speed and you did.
Also, presumably you will be able to use mounts.
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Where does it say that's exactly what's going to happen?
again, stfu if you dont want to take the time to learn about the game.
all classes have certain skills that makes running away not that easy to do.
the argle blargle is strong with this one!
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You dont have much to lose by playing the game walker. Its free to play
I look forward to kicking some ass in the Outpost guild. Some Outposters are really talented gamers.
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crawling around at snail speed across a huge map and not being able to catch someone who decides to just run away because you can't close on them is epically stupid
Various classes have leaps or pulls or teleports to close distance. Others have access to skills to gain the Swiftness boon which gives a temporary +33% run speed buff. Then there is stuff like the Guardian's force fields which can cut off escape routes.
Finally, there are all the standard root, stun, knockdown, etc abilities to stop someone from running.
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Every class has access to 'swiftness' in some form. That's GW2 speed.
Every class also has access to the 'cripple' condition as well - the snare. You just need to include the skills in your build if you feel they are required.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7KKIRDxaE
Ranger spotlight.
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I think many of you have a totally misguided idea of what makes a good pvp game. Maybe GW2 will be your wake up call.
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BUT BUT.. ITS NOT DAOC!!!
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Yeah that too. Doesn't look good for your latest love huh.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7KKIRDxaE
Ranger spotlight.
I need him to do the Engineer now.
Edit: Nevermind. I see that he has. /Goes to look
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I think many of you have a totally misguided idea of what makes a good pvp game. Maybe GW2 will be your wake up call.
What makes a good pvp game? Dedicated healer classes?
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crawling around at snail speed across a huge map and not being able to catch someone who decides to just run away because you can't close on them is epically stupid
Various classes have leaps or pulls or teleports to close distance. Others have access to skills to gain the Swiftness boon which gives a temporary +33% run speed buff. Then there is stuff like the Guardian's force fields which can cut off escape routes.
Finally, there are all the standard root, stun, knockdown, etc abilities to stop someone from running.
yeah...i remember how it worked in gw/rift/wow/war
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I have learned when studying which class and spec to choose for an MMO PvP character, always look for mobility and CC abilities, which is what wins fights, not raw power.
Also, keep away from pet classes no matter how tempting.
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Walker_ID posted:
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crawling around at snail speed across a huge map and not being able to catch someone who decides to just run away because you can't close on them is epically stupid
Various classes have leaps or pulls or teleports to close distance. Others have access to skills to gain the Swiftness boon which gives a temporary +33% run speed buff. Then there is stuff like the Guardian's force fields which can cut off escape routes.
Finally, there are all the standard root, stun, knockdown, etc abilities to stop someone from running.
yeah...i remember how it worked in gw/rift/wow/war
Uh if you couldn't catch someone running away in wow you were awful.
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Uh if you couldn't catch someone running away in wow you were awful.
this isn't a tiny BG map
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If you only PVPed in BGs in wow you were also awful.
Running away was a problem in DAOC because of DAOC's mechanics. I remember chasing a 40% health cleric all the way from cruach to the alb keep on my bard because I had neither meaningful dps nor snares (I did have speed obviously but there wasn't much point with no dps). But that was becaue of daoc's bad class design and bad mechanics.
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So the takeaway here is that we don't want walker in our 8 man?
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are the groups in GW 8 people? that would be a nice reversion from the 5 man groups rift and wow had.
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are the groups in GW 8 people? that would be a nice reversion from the 5 man groups rift and wow had.
For GW1, the group size varied depending on where you were in the world, but was usually 8 for endgame stuff.
For GW2, the PVE dungeons are 5 man. Don't believe it is fixed size elsewhere. But they aren't any buffs or such that affect the group, all such things are nearby allies, allies inside the ground targeted AOE, etc. I would guess that such abilities do have some sort of max # of targets built into them to prevent abuse so in practical terms you may want to limit your group size to whatever that is.
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that sounds like it could work out pretty well for pvp
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If you only PVPed in BGs in wow you were also awful.
oooorrr....pvp in wow was awful ....
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So the takeaway here is that we don't want walker in our 8 man?
agreed...i would want to be in a successful group of players that doesn't quit a game after 30 days
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PVP in wow was awesome.
RVR was lame (well, nonexistant). Big fights in wow were not very good. Small fights were awesome and took way more skill than small fights in daoc.
Also, world pvp in wow was a blast. If you didn't play on an active pvp server you don't know what wow pvp was like.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
If you only PVPed in BGs in wow you were also awful.
Running away was a problem in DAOC because of DAOC's mechanics. I remember chasing a 40% health cleric all the way from cruach to the alb keep on my bard because I had neither meaningful dps nor snares (I did have speed obviously but there wasn't much point with no dps). But that was becaue of daoc's bad class design and bad mechanics.
This was not due to bad class mechanics. DAOC had a different approach from todays MMO class balance. DAOC made each class viable at an aspect of group gameplay. Balance was achieved through a combination of class specializations within a group. Each class on its own is a mixed bag, some will be wildly successful while others will totally suck at solo. So long as you recognize this, you will abandon the unintelligent argument that DAOC had bad class mechanics, was not balanced, etc.
It is a shame MMO developers must cater to todays ADHD players who demand their class be good at EVERYTHING, be viable in EVERY situation, wtfpwn in ALL circumstances, have access to EVERY form of skill mechanic in the game. Todays MMO is a far cry from the old school MMO's where you had to gather components for spells like in UO, or skillful interrupt coding in DAOC which makes you think before using skills instead of todays button mashing.
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This was not due to bad class mechanics. DAOC had a different approach from todays MMO class balance. DAOC made each class viable at an aspect of group gameplay. Balance was achieved through a combination of class specializations within a group. Each class on its own is a mixed bag, some will be wildly successful while others will totally suck at solo. So long as you recognize this, you will abandon the unintelligent argument that DAOC had bad class mechanics, was not balanced, etc.
I thought it was fairly obvious we were talking about small scale PVP mechanics. DAOC has bad mechanics for small-scale PVP. They only work in group v group and larger. As you described.
Which is fine for what DAOC was supposed to be. Wow was basically the opposite. Wow has great mechanics for 2v2 up through about 5v5, but more than that and it becomes impossible for any human being to balance all the moving parts intelligently and it just degenerates into a chaotic mess.
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On a related note. How bullshit is it that DAoC copyrighted the term realm vs. realm. Copyright laws are just a total cluster. Thanks Disney!
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I have learned when studying which class and spec to choose for an MMO PvP character, always look for mobility and CC abilities, which is what wins fights, not raw power.
Also, keep away from pet classes no matter how tempting.
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Yukishiro1 posted:
PVP in wow was awesome.
RVR was lame (well, nonexistant). Big fights in wow were not very good. Small fights were awesome and took way more skill than small fights in daoc.
Also, world pvp in wow was a blast. If you didn't play on an active pvp server you don't know what wow pvp was like.
all i'm hearing is exceptions..."if you did xxx then you just don't know because xxxx....you had to do this one thing and it was awesome!!"
that sounds like fail to me....which of course it is....because no one plays wow for the "awesome pvp" .....my idea of good pvp/rvr is not being pigeon holed into one specific exception
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At first glance it looks like DAoC2 with some WoW/generic modern MMO styling/interface.
I'm gonna hold off for the reviews.
(Actually, I'm just gonna read them and skip the game cause I don't have the time anymore to screw around with these endless online games...)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiuNbqPWpEo
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5 man groups I believe.
And ya the elementalist looks friggin sweet.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM7KKIRDxaE&list=UUH-_hzb2ILSCo9ftVSnrCIQ&index=3&feature=plcp
Nerf Rangers! Isn't that how DAOC started?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA6TPoWWdV0
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Looking at all these videos and seeing what skills can do I think Melee classes will be on top of the food chain at least during launch. Warriors seem extremely versatile. I may role one as my first toon.
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there will inevitably be a fotm class
not to mention must have skills and set ups
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I am a bit concerned with the idea of melee not needing a target. It will just be a mindless AOE-fest if not handled right. I envision wading into a thick battle and receiving damage in every direction from every skill imaginable within a 100' radius. I hope that is not the case.
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I am a bit concerned with the idea of melee not needing a target. It will just be a mindless AOE-fest if not handled right. I envision wading into a thick battle and receiving damage in every direction from every skill imaginable within a 100' radius. I hope that is not the case.
Ground target AOEs are the only things that need to be targeted. So spells and ranged attacks can be blasted off without thought as well.
It looks like it is only the two-handers which are AOE with their "auto-attack" (whatever skill is in slot 1) so any other weapon choices will be cooldown limited in how much AOE they can fire off blindly.
So unless two-handed warriors (and maybe rangers and guardians) are FOTM, it shouldn't be mindless AOE.
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Footage from Total Biscuit:
Warrior Slaughterthon 3000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4UWZ2XN9rs
Jumping Puzzle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYj2QMEPRT0
WvWvW footage while he talks about other stuff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRqcXNEYur0
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Dungeon Spotlight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pG3tEl9FF9s
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