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http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/story/2012-02-25/pope-conception/53241696/1
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The pope pressed the church ban against artificial procreation, saying infertile couples should refrain from any method to try to conceive other than sex between husband and wife.
I don't know about you, but the best thing that ever happened to Humanity was secularism. Religious people should do us all a favor and just shut the f*** up.
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Yep...and over in Afghanistan today some jerk shot up up two American soldiers in retaliation to some moron burning the Koran.
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ikkoikki posted:
Yep...and over in Afghanistan today some jerk shot up up two American soldiers in retaliation to some moron burning the Koran.
Ya, I am really getting sick of assholes who pretend they speak for God getting people killed.
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I wish we had 2 earths: zone one as secular and the other as religious and be done with it
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I wish we had 2 earths: zone one as secular and the other as religious and be done with it
But God didn't set things up according to your will. Surprising?
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Bakuun posted:
I wish we had 2 earths: zone one as secular and the other as religious and be done with it
But God didn't set things up according to your will. Surprising?
Perhaps he did. Maybe there's another world out there full of peace, where people don't kill each other over some make believe being.
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I was interested in the last line of the article: "But he(The Pope) added that the Church encourages medical research into infertility. WHAT sense does that make at all?!
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Rodriks_Fury posted:
.-Vega-. posted:
Bakuun posted:
I wish we had 2 earths: zone one as secular and the other as religious and be done with it
But God didn't set things up according to your will. Surprising?
Perhaps he did. Maybe there's another world out there full of peace, where people don't kill each other over some make believe being.
Your scenario involves a logical paradox. Fail.
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.-Vega-. posted:
Bakuun posted:
I wish we had 2 earths: zone one as secular and the other as religious and be done with it
But God didn't set things up according to your will. Surprising?
Ahh yes, evasion.
People "die" to "test us". The person being killed of course is dead so he doesn't get tested, just the people left alive.
Only good Christians will go to heaven. The millions who never even heard of Jesus Christ will all go to hell because if God wanted them to go to Heaven, he would of made sure that a Priest visited them.
There are 70 virgins waiting for you when you die. Clearly the entire universe was created so when we die, we can enslave virgins in the mythical after life to have sex with them forever.
Angels are real, despite no evidence for them actually being real.
Have Faith that something you have no proof exists, does exist or you will go hell! I love this one because you are not even allowed to question it.
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^ Insane rantings above
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^ Insane rantings above
Nah, I am just pointing out the bulls*** religious nuts spew out.
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All those poor native americans are burning in hell because jebus didn't save them. 
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who's out of touch more? him or the people that follow him?
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who's out of touch more? him or the people that follow him?
wrong
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World leaders and the highest position holding members of the human race give credit to God for their achievements.
And on the other side are the scum of the Earth, the bottom feeders, the nobodies here at ACF who debase Him.
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If we had an Earth of pure secularism and an Earth of pure religion (in the same solar system) they would have annihilated each other long ago.
Unless of course, the Religion Earth was not just one religion, then they would be too busy killing each other to focus on Secularism.
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Kordirn posted:
All those poor native americans are burning in hell because jebus didn't save them.
The mormons would like to disagree with you. (Over juice, approximately 23 hours worth.)
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Sometimes I think god is just a giant douche effing with all of us and laughing his ass off. Biggest troll ever.
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If you take away being out of touch, what does he have left? I think it's time to consider that the title of Pope is a 10-20 century long inside joke.
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If you take away being out of touch, what does he have left? I think it's time to consider that the title of Pope is a 10-20 century long inside joke.
That would explain the ridiculous hat.
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Historically, if you look at the Pope's history, you see they changed the bible to make the Pope essentially god on earth. It was an ego and power based changed and this is part of the reason why you ended up with a Western and Eastern Roman Empire.
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NO WAY, an old fart wrapped up in religion telling people what to beLIEve in is out of touch???
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of course he is out of touch. they all are.
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He's no Ron Paul.
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Just convert to Odin as your god.
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shutting down artificial insemination does have some positives... the planets already dealing with a human overpopulation issue thats only going to get worse this slows the problem albeit not by much.
as an aside, it does get hubbies more procreation related nookie 
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So, wait...let me see if I have this right.
Infertility treatments are bad. Sex is the only way you *should* procreate.
But you should only have sex in order to procreate.
Thus, if you know that sex will not result in a child, you should not have sex with your spouse. Because sex for pleasure is bad.
Therefore, all infertile couples should just be celibate and be happy about it.
But also, even though treating infertility is bad, the church encourages research into it...
Huh?
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Gaevren posted:
So, wait...let me see if I have this right.
Infertility treatments are bad. Sex is the only way you *should* procreate.
But you should only have sex in order to procreate.
Thus, if you know that sex will not result in a child, you should not have sex with your spouse. Because sex for pleasure is bad.
Therefore, all infertile couples should just be celibate and be happy about it.
But also, even though treating infertility is bad, the church encourages research into it...
Huh?
who determines if you have NO chance of having a child? I'd say only God could and thus nobody but God could tell you that you have NO chance of ever conceiving a child by having sex with your spouse.
On the OTHER hand and more to the point... if the only way to conceive of a child is through sex... how did Jesus end up getting born to Mary? Is that not artificial insemination?
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Actually in a way it is a population war.
And the islam followers are winning.
The christians are having far fewer children and hence are being progressively outnumbered.
No contraception makes you end up having more children.
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Common sense would dictate the secular earth would be much more advanced and be able to wipe out the religious earth, but experience has shown that most of the advanced in technology are due to war. And, the secular earth would be content to not kill anyone but the religious earth would have a hardon to kill all non believers. I would like to think the secular earth would have the technology to just thwart the religious earth like a 6 year old.
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If there was no religion that idiots would find some other "cause" that would rationalize the evil they do.
The thought that a secular world would be peaceful and a utopia is laughable. Both sides would would have their jackasses who want to kill or rule.
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the universe weeps, seeing how the morons haven't killed each other yet and the smarter ones raise above them or exterminated them.
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A truly secular society would create their own gods -- the ruling class. Everyone else would end up dehumanized to a greater extent.
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Nailer2357 posted:
Does this mean that the Catholic Church opposes Viagra?
they are against the condom, Viagra is even worse LOL.
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If there was no religion that idiots would find some other "cause" that would rationalize the evil they do.
The thought that a secular world would be peaceful and a utopia is laughable. Both sides would would have their jackasses who want to kill or rule.
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. What was I thinking? There have never been any wars fought or lives lost for religion.
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A secular world would not be peaceful or utopian. But at least you'd be able predict people's behavior based upon interests (money, sex, power, etc.). I find dealing with moral people chaotic. You never know when their beliefs might kick in an cause them to break a promise or kill someone or rape a prepubescent boy.
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Simple fact:
Science is more powerful than "God". We'll be immortals soon enough.
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I'm so glad we can spend $40k so some couple can propagate their infertile genes while kids go un-adopted and/or without healthcare. How can anyone be against that?
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Without a continuous supply of kids who would Catholic Priests butt-rape?
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Reapist posted:
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If there was no religion that idiots would find some other "cause" that would rationalize the evil they do.
The thought that a secular world would be peaceful and a utopia is laughable. Both sides would would have their jackasses who want to kill or rule.
Yeah, I'm sure you're right. What was I thinking? There have never been any wars fought or lives lost for religion.
That's exactly what I said.
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Wars are fought for power, no other reason. The only thing that changes is the groups trying to gain control. Religion happens to be an emotionally charged topic that makes a good campaign slogan but we'd be perfectly happy to kill each other over skin color, accent, nationality, language, clothing, etc. I know the big secular circle jerk is fashionable these days, but you have to be blind to not realize that religion is just a team name and not the driving force behind why everyone came to play. And your flat out ignorant if you think secular groups aren't just as happy to get a little blood on their hands...
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Wars are fought for power, no other reason. The only thing that changes is the groups trying to gain control. Religion happens to be an emotionally charged topic that makes a good campaign slogan but we'd be perfectly happy to kill each other over skin color, accent, nationality, language, clothing, etc. I know the big secular circle jerk is fashionable these days, but you have to be blind to not realize that religion is just a team name and not the driving force behind why everyone came to play. And your flat out ignorant if you think secular groups aren't just as happy to get a little blood on their hands...
I think you are going over old material with more passion than is needed. Sure secularists kill. And sure behind most "religious" wars or atrocities you'll find someone not particularly devout pulling the strings. Hitler and the murder of Jews, Homosexuals, Trade Union Leaders, Gypsies, and others is a good example. Was Hitler religious or just out for power? I think we all agree it was power that primarily motivated Hitler. But religion, and religious fervor, gave him an excuse and the momentum to slaughter a lot of people.
So what? The Pope of the Church who stood aside as millions died is still a hypocrite on this issue.
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Religion is a steaming pile of shite.
Everyone knows it, even the most ardent religious zealots.
It's like being a Cleveland Browns fan however. Even though you know they suck, are full of shite, and aren't worth crap.....you still support them. Why? Because you are a Cleveland Browns fan damnit!
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Reapist posted:
Common sense ...
you could have stopped right there
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Kanga_Roo posted:
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Wars are fought for power, no other reason. The only thing that changes is the groups trying to gain control. Religion happens to be an emotionally charged topic that makes a good campaign slogan but we'd be perfectly happy to kill each other over skin color, accent, nationality, language, clothing, etc. I know the big secular circle jerk is fashionable these days, but you have to be blind to not realize that religion is just a team name and not the driving force behind why everyone came to play. And your flat out ignorant if you think secular groups aren't just as happy to get a little blood on their hands...
I think you are going over old material with more passion than is needed. Sure secularists kill. And sure behind most "religious" wars or atrocities you'll find someone not particularly devout pulling the strings. Hitler and the murder of Jews, Homosexuals, Trade Union Leaders, Gypsies, and others is a good example. Was Hitler religious or just out for power? I think we all agree it was power that primarily motivated Hitler. But religion, and religious fervor, gave him an excuse and the momentum to slaughter a lot of people.
So what? The Pope of the Church who stood aside as millions died is still a hypocrite on this issue.
You do realize that a huge part of the Catholic Churches stand on Contraception stems from the simple fact that within MODERN history the sitting President of the United States (Woodrow Wilson, such a nice man) attempted to use Federally Funded Contraception specifically and intentionally as a way to reduce the population of "undesireable" Italian and Polish Catholics in the US in order to prevent them from gaining political power and threatening his white anglo saxon progressivism (that forms the basis for the modern Democrats).
Run that one through your heads again. Within the 20th century the President of the US openly felt that Catholics were "undesireables" who's numbers and breeding need to be reduced. And he took steps to utilize the public health laws of the US to achieve this goal. (You can imagine his views on the black folk).
So given that history, you can imagine just how well the Sebelius mandate is going over with the Bishops, can't you? It is essentially Wilson's program carbon copied.
As far as fertility goes. The actual real Catholic position is a bit more nuanced. Yes Catholics strongly support research and treatments for infertility. Where the church has issues is some of the more ethically or philosophically greyer areas. Things like Surrogate mothers. The church maintains that there should be a clear unambiguous and responsible chain of parentage. Both legal and biological. While a more conservative stand then some would like, it is not an unreasonable one. Such is the most basic building block of our societies.
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Religion is a steaming pile of shite.
Everyone knows it, even the most ardent religious zealots.
It's like being a Cleveland Browns fan however. Even though you know they suck, are full of shite, and aren't worth crap.....you still support them. Why? Because you are a Cleveland Browns fan damnit!
We all know there is no such thing as a Browns fan.
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tsingtao2 posted:
I wish I had that in my cube at work.
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Religion is a steaming pile of shite.
Everyone knows it, even the most ardent religious zealots.
It's like being a Cleveland Browns fan however. Even though you know they suck, are full of shite, and aren't worth crap.....you still support them. Why? Because you are a Cleveland Browns fan damnit!
We all know there is no such thing as a Browns fan.
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tsingtao2 posted:
I wish I had that in my cube at work.
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Liberals: Abunch of bitter, racist, self hating christianphobes.
You people need help. 
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faefrost posted:
You do realize that a huge part of the Catholic Churches stand on Contraception stems from the simple fact that within MODERN history the sitting President of the United States (Woodrow Wilson, such a nice man) attempted to use Federally Funded Contraception specifically and intentionally as a way to reduce the population of "undesireable" Italian and Polish Catholics in the US in order to prevent them from gaining political power and threatening his white anglo saxon progressivism (that forms the basis for the modern Democrats)...
I really think that's nice but the fact is the Catholic Church claims their beliefs come from God and not as a reaction to any political leaders. Your little conspiracy theory boils down to stating the the Catholic Church's beliefs are a reaction to the US political system. I don't think that's particularly respectful to Catholics or religion.
Not a lot of facts to back up your claim anyway so I'll just ignore it.
Thanks for the amusement though.
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While a more conservative stand then some would like, it is not an unreasonable one. Such is the most basic building block of our societies.
But it gets in the way of what people want right now to satisfy their immediate desires. Therefore, it is intolerably strict and oppressive.
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Liberals: Abunch of bitter, racist, self hating christianphobes.
You people need help.
Where'd you get racist from?
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This just in...self-avowed lifelong virgin has opinion on sex.
Film at 11.
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ikkoikki posted:
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Liberals: Abunch of bitter, racist, self hating christianphobes.
You people need help.
Where'd you get racist from?
It's called projecting, with the possible exception of christianphobes.
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ikkoikki posted:
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Liberals: Abunch of bitter, racist, self hating christianphobes.
You people need help.
Where'd you get racist from?
lumping all together in politics is stupid and pointless so why not throw in whatever you can while you are at it?
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