Woods writes that House education subcommittee chair Joey Hensley had earlier admonished all Tennessee parents not to let their children watch “Modern Family” on television because they might discover there are homosexuals in the world, even if teachers can't say the word gay in schools.

ZigmundZag posted:

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It's a stupid thing to legislate, but technically they're saying not to teach the kids about gays until 9th grade. In and of itself this doesn't really bother me, but what happens if you have an openly gay teacher? Are they now forbidden from talking about themselves unless their students are in high school?

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Lyken-P posted:

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No teacher should be going around talking about their own sexuality in classes. Straight or Gay

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Lyken-P posted:

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No teacher should be going around talking about their own sexuality in classes. Straight or Gay

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Abaddon_Ambrosius posted:

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Now we can't talk about SoBaKi any more!



NNNOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo....

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SoBaKi posted:

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You really have a hard on for me. And yes, time for you to come out of the closet. Bonk needs a date.

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Scarne posted:

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Lyken-P posted:

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No teacher should be going around talking about their own sexuality in classes. Straight or Gay

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Yes, if a teacher has flowers on their desk on Valentine's Day, they shouldn't be allowed to answer if a student asks them who sent it to them.

And a teacher's SO should never be allowed to pick up or drop off the teacher on school property.

Or any other such situation where a student could possibly pick up on the teacher's sexuality.

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"There has been widespread confusion," says Anoka-Hennepin teachers' union president Julie Blaha. "You ask five people how to interpret the policy and you get five different answers." Silenced by fear, gay teachers became more vigilant than ever to avoid mention of their personal lives, and in closeting themselves, they inadvertently ensured that many students had no real-life gay role models. "I was told by teachers, 'You have to be careful, it's really not safe for you to come out,'" says the psychologist Cashen, who is a lesbian. "I felt like I couldn't have a picture of my family on my desk." When teacher Jefferson Fietek was outed in the community paper, which referred to him as an "open homosexual," he didn't feel he could address the situation with his students even as they passed the newspaper around, tittering. When one finally asked, "Are you gay?" he panicked. "I was terrified to answer that question," Fietek says. "I thought, 'If I violate the policy, what's going to happen to me?'"

The silence of adults was deafening. At Blaine High School, says alum Justin Anderson, "I would hear people calling people 'fags' all the time without it being addressed. Teachers just didn't respond." In Andover High School, when 10th-grader Sam Pinilla was pushed to the ground by three kids calling him a "faggot," he saw a teacher nearby who did nothing to stop the assault. At Anoka High School, a 10th-grade girl became so upset at being mocked as a "lesbo" and a "sinner" – in earshot of teachers – that she complained to an associate principal, who counseled her to "lay low"; the girl would later attempt suicide. At Anoka Middle School for the Arts, after Kyle Rooker was urinated upon from above in a boys' bathroom stall, an associate principal told him, "It was probably water." Jackson Middle School seventh-grader Dylon Frei was passed notes saying, "Get out of this town, fag"; when a teacher intercepted one such note, she simply threw it away.

"You feel horrible about yourself," remembers Dylon. "Like, why do these kids hate me so much? And why won't anybody help me?" The following year, after Dylon was hit in the head with a binder and called "fag," the associate principal told Dylon that since there was no proof of the incident she could take no action. By contrast, Dylon and others saw how the same teachers who ignored anti-gay insults were quick to reprimand kids who uttered racial slurs. It further reinforced the message resonating throughout the district: Gay kids simply didn't deserve protection.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202#ixzz1maDzK34a

Lyken-P posted:

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Scarne posted:

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Lyken-P posted:

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No teacher should be going around talking about their own sexuality in classes. Straight or Gay

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Yes, if a teacher has flowers on their desk on Valentine's Day, they shouldn't be allowed to answer if a student asks them who sent it to them.

And a teacher's SO should never be allowed to pick up or drop off the teacher on school property.

Or any other such situation where a student could possibly pick up on the teacher's sexuality.

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1) "My significant other got it for me."
2) WTF does who drives a car have to do with who you're sexually involved with? Carpools must really confuse you... or turn you on.

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Kjarhall posted:

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BTW - saying "My significant other" only works if heteros say it too. Are you prepared to say it too when in front of any children? After all, it's the right thing to do, even if you're not a teacher, right?

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ZigmundZag posted:

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It's a stupid thing to legislate, but technically they're saying not to teach the kids about gays until 9th grade. In and of itself this doesn't really bother me, but what happens if you have an openly gay teacher? Are they now forbidden from talking about themselves unless their students are in high school?

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Incidentally both my 4 year old and my 6 year old have brought up this issue recently. The conversation basically goes...

Kid: Boys only marry Girls.

Parent: No some boys marry boys and some girls marry girls

Kid: No

Parent Yes, you know Mike, he is married to Bob.

Kid: Ohh, OK. < continues on with their life >

The fear over the gay issue basically comes down to people pretending something doesn't exist for so long they don't know what else to do. Coming out as gay should be no different then coming out as straight.

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Lyken-P posted:

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So wait... your children actually learned something about life from you rather than a teacher...

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Lyken-P posted:

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So wait... your children actually learned something about life from you rather than a teacher...

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Yeah the idea that a kid wouldn't already know about homosexuality in middle school is hilarious but that is what this law seems to be "sheltering" these kids from. I don't see why the state would make a law trying to stop kids from learning about the existance of gay people.

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Azure-TheBlueOne posted:

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Groucho's article pretty clearly spells out why this is awful for young gay students. Not sure why the focus is on teachers, who will for the most part be fine regardless, gay or straight. Except that that's probably a simpler angle to take in order to disregard the topic as negligible, ie. Lyken.

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Lyken-P posted:

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Their not... they're telling teachers it's not their job to teach sexuality. Kids can learn about the existence of gay people from parents, tv, each other, etc...

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Sin_of_Onin posted:

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Lyken-P posted:

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Their not... they're telling teachers it's not their job to teach sexuality. Kids can learn about the existence of gay people from parents, tv, each other, etc...

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No they are specifically limiting words they can use. It is still the parents job to teach the kids about this stuff whether they can say the word gay or not.

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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God DAMN these liberal schools and their crusade to gayafy their students. It's every American small town's right to maintain a respectable standard of bigotry. First you assholes took away our ability to pick on blacks, next we weren't allowed to mock the Jew people. Now you want to take away our right to condemn the homogays. Look, these liberal teachers come in from these elitist urban schools and think they can dictate to us basic "human dignity." But they're just manufacturing problems. We didn't have no gays before the liberals came. I mean, we still don't. There are no gays in America.

THERE ARE NO GAYS IN AMERICA!

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Tych2 posted:

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Lyken-P stop. The bill says nothing about teaching sex in school. They are saying they can't even say that homosexuals exist. Do you know who else says there are no such thing as gay people?

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Lyken-P posted:

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They should just say, unless you are a sex ed teacher, don't talk about sex in your class room.

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Azure-TheBlueOne posted:

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Sexuality and sex are two separate topics btw, but I'm quite sure you wouldn't see the distinction in this case (Lyken).

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ZigmundZag posted:

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It's a stupid thing to legislate, but technically they're saying not to teach the kids about gays until 9th grade. In and of itself this doesn't really bother me, but what happens if you have an openly gay teacher? Are they now forbidden from talking about themselves unless their students are in high school?

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sweeny_comodore posted:

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ZigmundZag posted:

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It's a stupid thing to legislate, but technically they're saying not to teach the kids about gays until 9th grade. In and of itself this doesn't really bother me, but what happens if you have an openly gay teacher? Are they now forbidden from talking about themselves unless their students are in high school?

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as opposed to an openly hetero talking about their sex life?
how many 6th grade teachers did you have that came in talking about their hot date the night before?
or having the balony pony tickle their mustache?

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Fist posted:

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liberals!

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aerlinthian posted:

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Jews!

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Lyken posted:

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Gays!

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sobaki posted:

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Where!

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Lyken-P posted:

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Azure-TheBlueOne posted:

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Sexuality and sex are two separate topics btw, but I'm quite sure you wouldn't see the distinction in this case (Lyken).

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now you know me better than I know myself?

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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God DAMN these liberal schools and their crusade to gayafy their students. It's every American small town's right to maintain a respectable standard of bigotry. First you assholes took away our ability to pick on blacks, next we weren't allowed to mock the Jew people. Now you want to take away our right to condemn the homogays. Look, these liberal teachers come in from these elitist urban schools and think they can dictate to us basic "human dignity." But they're just manufacturing problems. We didn't have no gays before the liberals came. I mean, we still don't. There are no gays in America.

THERE ARE NO GAYS IN AMERICA!

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Kordirn posted:

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I don't really see a problem with teachers talking about their personal life. Plenty of my teachers mentioned their husband or wife in class, so why shouldn't homosexuals be able to?

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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Pics, you sexy stormtrooper! Don't just tease us!

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Manegarm posted:

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I'll have to ask my mistress if she approves, or she will just end up punishing me..

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Lyken-P posted:

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Kjarhall posted:

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BTW - saying "My significant other" only works if heteros say it too. Are you prepared to say it too when in front of any children? After all, it's the right thing to do, even if you're not a teacher, right?

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Sure... what's so wrong about saying significant other to children? Or heck... do like I do at work, "That's not an appropriate conversation for work"... or what I say at work "None of your business" in a joking way. I keep personal and business separated, really not that complex.

Edit: All work places you go do have training videos now about how not to talk about sex at work. Teachers should be no different.

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ZigmundZag posted:

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ZigmundZag posted:

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It's a stupid thing to legislate, but technically they're saying not to teach the kids about gays until 9th grade. In and of itself this doesn't really bother me, but what happens if you have an openly gay teacher? Are they now forbidden from talking about themselves unless their students are in high school?

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as opposed to an openly hetero talking about their sex life?
how many 6th grade teachers did you have that came in talking about their hot date the night before?
or having the balony pony tickle their mustache?

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I know it's difficult, but try reading the rest of the thread. Azure summed it up two posts above you. Sexuality is not the same thing as sex. People express their sexuality in a million different ways every day and nobody gives it a second thought until their sexuality is incongruous with gender stereotypes. Then suddenly people puff up and complain loudly about how gays should just keep it in private.

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Kjarhall posted:

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FYI - those training videos don't tell you to say 'significant other'. Wife or husband is totally appropriate and isn't all that personal.

BTW- The way you hedge your conversation at work, i bet they think you're gay, so it's kinda self defeating. And i don't believe for a second that you'd keep your *ahem* 'significant other' completely secret at work. No one does that, except gay people.... wait.....

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Manegarm posted:

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I'll have to ask my mistress if she approves, or she will just end up punishing me..

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Isn't that the point?

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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I used to have sex with a dominatrix until i took a dildo in the butt.

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Bowlartz posted:

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If you want to get technical, much like God in that there is absolutely no physical proof he exists, there is no physical proof that sexual preference is anything but a choice. They aren't allowed to teach about God in school so...

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Bowlartz posted:

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If you want to get technical, much like God in that there is absolutely no physical proof he exists, there is no physical proof that sexual preference is anything but a choice. They aren't allowed to teach about God in school so...

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Kordirn posted:

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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I used to have sex with a dominatrix until i took a dildo in the butt.

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After that it just made you want the real thing huh?

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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Kordirn posted:

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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I used to have sex with a dominatrix until i took a dildo in the butt.

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After that it just made you want the real thing huh?

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I see you met Mistress Jonathan too!

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Altra_Shadowstalker posted:

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I used to have sex with a dominatrix until i took a dildo in the butt.

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Mastara posted:

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Oh and with that said, they dont exist.

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Mastara posted:

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manegarm you have something in common as well. Your also a very hateful person Pot meet kettle.

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Mastara posted:

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Ahhh. I see. Your chat says otherwise. Perhaps I'm just not reading between the lines. I think your lying and I believe you know you are.


Either way. No sweat off my testicles. I dont know you from adam. I wont loose a minute of sleep from a name on a forum and text on a screen that speaks against me

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Groucho48 posted:

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Rolling Stone had a long article about a school district in Minnesota that had similar restriction on discussions of being gay...

"There has been widespread confusion," says Anoka-Hennepin teachers' union president Julie Blaha. "You ask five people how to interpret the policy and you get five different answers." Silenced by fear, gay teachers became more vigilant than ever to avoid mention of their personal lives, and in closeting themselves, they inadvertently ensured that many students had no real-life gay role models. "I was told by teachers, 'You have to be careful, it's really not safe for you to come out,'" says the psychologist Cashen, who is a lesbian. "I felt like I couldn't have a picture of my family on my desk." When teacher Jefferson Fietek was outed in the community paper, which referred to him as an "open homosexual," he didn't feel he could address the situation with his students even as they passed the newspaper around, tittering. When one finally asked, "Are you gay?" he panicked. "I was terrified to answer that question," Fietek says. "I thought, 'If I violate the policy, what's going to happen to me?'"

The silence of adults was deafening. At Blaine High School, says alum Justin Anderson, "I would hear people calling people 'fags' all the time without it being addressed. Teachers just didn't respond." In Andover High School, when 10th-grader Sam Pinilla was pushed to the ground by three kids calling him a "faggot," he saw a teacher nearby who did nothing to stop the assault. At Anoka High School, a 10th-grade girl became so upset at being mocked as a "lesbo" and a "sinner" – in earshot of teachers – that she complained to an associate principal, who counseled her to "lay low"; the girl would later attempt suicide. At Anoka Middle School for the Arts, after Kyle Rooker was urinated upon from above in a boys' bathroom stall, an associate principal told him, "It was probably water." Jackson Middle School seventh-grader Dylon Frei was passed notes saying, "Get out of this town, fag"; when a teacher intercepted one such note, she simply threw it away.

"You feel horrible about yourself," remembers Dylon. "Like, why do these kids hate me so much? And why won't anybody help me?" The following year, after Dylon was hit in the head with a binder and called "fag," the associate principal told Dylon that since there was no proof of the incident she could take no action. By contrast, Dylon and others saw how the same teachers who ignored anti-gay insults were quick to reprimand kids who uttered racial slurs. It further reinforced the message resonating throughout the district: Gay kids simply didn't deserve protection.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/one-towns-war-on-gay-teens-20120202#ixzz1maDzK34a

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