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Can you please explain to me how you reconcile your stance with your religious belief? Where in the New Testament does Jesus support killing anyone? I'm not a Christian but it was my understanding Jesus was all about forgiveness and loving your enemy.
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I'm not a Christian but I support the death penalty over life imprisonment. Why dehumanize someone and allow them to just wither away? Quick and painless imo.
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Why don't you troll muslim advocates instead. I'd love to see some asshole come on here and try to defend al qaida or the taliban.
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Death penalty needs to go in the US.
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I'm not a Christian but I support the death penalty over life imprisonment. Why dehumanize someone and allow them to just wither away? Quick and painless imo.
why not put them to good use? Make them work without paying them. I'm sure the coal mines could use some extra hands, or other type of work that's unsafe and hazardous to your health.
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Christians are low hanging fruit. They are plentiful there. Muslims are not.
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Make them work without paying them.
We tried that. Ended it in 1865 with the thirteenth amendment.
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I do not support capital punishment at all. It has nothing to do with a religion or religions, but has everything to do with basic humanity and giving power to the state or government to take someone's life. I don't even trust them to tell the simple truth about what they spent last week yet they should be empowered to make a decision about whether or not someone should live or die? I think not.
Hell, whether or not someone even goes to trial has more to do with how connected that person is rather than ethics or justice. We have people walking around in comfort that should be in jail, and people in jail that shouldn't be there.
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I'm not a Christian but I support the death penalty over life imprisonment. Why dehumanize someone and allow them to just wither away? Quick and painless imo.
why not put them to good use? Make them work without paying them. I'm sure the coal mines could use some extra hands, or other type of work that's unsafe and hazardous to your health.
Bad idea. You don't want to go back to this system. It's already bad enough that our jails are privatized and make bank off our prison population. I want our inmates fairly treated, not stuck or thrown into a system that has an incentive for never letting them out.
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Christians are low hanging fruit. They are plentiful there. Muslims are not.
tenkly posted:
Make them work without paying them.
We tried that. Ended it in 1865 with the thirteenth amendment.
I wonder if people would be opposed to changing that. Killing people based on how well a lawyer can argue in court is kind of retarded.
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tenkly posted:
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I'm not a Christian but I support the death penalty over life imprisonment. Why dehumanize someone and allow them to just wither away? Quick and painless imo.
why not put them to good use? Make them work without paying them. I'm sure the coal mines could use some extra hands, or other type of work that's unsafe and hazardous to your health.
Bad idea. You don't want to go back to this system. It's already bad enough that our jails are privatized and make bank off our prison population. I want our inmates fairly treated, not stuck or thrown into a system that has an incentive for never letting them out.
Good point. I just think capital punishment isn't that good. Especially when some people get wrongfully convicted. The only time capital punishment should be allowed is if there's 100% proof without one single doubt. Even then, I still think throwing them in the coal mines would work too. I don't know, it's a weird subject.
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Yeah, that's a tough topic.
I have never had a serious crime committed against me.
I am for capital punishment.
If someone did commit a punishable by death crime against me, I would like to think I was capable of forgiveness to the point of life imprisonment if the person asked to be forgiven, if the person was sincere.
I would still want them to do the time for the crime.
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Christians are low hanging fruit. They are plentiful there. Muslims are not.
tenkly posted:
Make them work without paying them.
We tried that. Ended it in 1865 with the thirteenth amendment.
I wonder if people would be opposed to changing that. Killing people based on how well a lawyer can argue in court is kind of retarded.
You'd have to ask them. I don't believe or support capital punishment.
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In most cases, guys have a better chance for justice when they're on death row because they go through serveral mandatory appeals. Now with DNA evidence, it's harder and harder to convict someone without it being certain. That's one reason most people plead guilty for a lesser charge or sentence.
Our justice system needs to be reworked but that doesn't mean we should throw out the death penalty (IMO). I understand and respect the moral arguments against it, I just don't buy this one.
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I do not support capital punishment at all. It has nothing to do with a religion or religions, but has everything to do with basic humanity and giving power to the state or government to take someone's life. I don't even trust them to tell the simple truth about what they spent last week yet they should be empowered to make a decision about whether or not someone should live or die? I think not.
Hell, whether or not someone even goes to trial has more to do with how connected that person is rather than ethics or justice. We have people walking around in comfort that should be in jail, and people in jail that shouldn't be there.
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Jesus accepted the death penalty for himself.
What's good for Jesus is good for us.
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^^ interesting view
I'm on the fence with this issue.
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Jesus accepted the death penalty for himself.
What's good for Jesus is good for us.
Exactly! If God was in favor of the death penalty who are you to dispute God?
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Can you please explain to me how you reconcile your stance with your religious belief? Where in the New Testament does Jesus support killing anyone? I'm not a Christian but it was my understanding Jesus was all about forgiveness and loving your enemy.
Christ divided state and religion. He was against killing but said nothing about getting rid of killers. If you don't understand the divided part then you should read the bible for yourself; not letting someone tell you what it says.
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Can you please explain to me how you reconcile your stance with your religious belief? Where in the New Testament does Jesus support killing anyone? I'm not a Christian but it was my understanding Jesus was all about forgiveness and loving your enemy.
Christ divided state and religion. He was against killing but said nothing about getting rid of killers. If you don't understand the divided part then you should read the bible for yourself; not letting someone tell you what it says.
If he said nothing, then how do you know he supported the death penalty?
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How do they know he said nothing? Just because it was in the bible doesn't mean he supported or against it. I am thinking how he lived his life I can't see how he would support it.
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God recognizes the power of state. When Jesus was persecuted, he did not fight the law even though it was unjust, he subjected himself to the full extent of the laws judgement.
Murder is one thing, capital punishment administered by the law of the land is another. It may seem contradictory, but it is not if you acknowledge states have governing powers over its people.
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The whole 'render unto ceasar' thing is an interpretation.
The context of that actual quote specifically has to do with taxes - as in, should jews have to pay taxes to the Romans?
Anything outside of that context is pure speculation.
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How do they know he said nothing? Just because it was in the bible doesn't mean he supported or against it. I am thinking how he lived his life I can't see how he would support it.
If you really understood his thinking.... you would be Christian.
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I was born a Christan, more specially I was born a Catholic. I am just not a very good one. I don't think I believe in god.
Are you telling me you understand Jesus's thinking? Honestly?
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I was born a Christan, more specially I was born a Catholic. I am just not a very good one. I don't think I believe in god.
Are you telling me you understand Jesus's thinking? Honestly?
Yes.
I've been know to give Him advice from time to time Also.
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Can you please explain to me how you reconcile your stance with your religious belief? Where in the New Testament does Jesus support killing anyone? I'm not a Christian but it was my understanding Jesus was all about forgiveness and loving your enemy.
Christ divided state and religion. He was against abortion but said nothing about getting rid of abortionists.
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I was born a Christan, more specially I was born a Catholic. I am just not a very good one. I don't think I believe in god.
Are you telling me you understand Jesus's thinking? Honestly?
Yes.
I've been know to give Him advice from time to time Also.
So he talks to you and you actually hear him? You just think you hear him. If you hear him then you probably have a chemical imbalance that needs to be addressed otherwise I am calling you a liar.
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I was born a Christan, more specially I was born a Catholic. I am just not a very good one. I don't think I believe in god.
Are you telling me you understand Jesus's thinking? Honestly?
Yes.
I've been know to give Him advice from time to time Also.
So he talks to you and you actually hear him? You just think you hear him. If you hear him then you probably have a chemical imbalance that needs to be addressed otherwise I am calling you a liar.
I have Him on Twitter. He tweets me everyday. So he doesn't actually "talk" to me as much as texts me. And I can text him back, too. Jesus/God is very tech savvy.
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As a Christian, yes it's up to me to forgive a wrongdoer who trespasses against me. But as a citizen of a state, I also expect laws to be followed and met out. Religion and the state are two separate things, and my religious views do not take precedence over the law of the land. In my heart I can forgive the individual and have no malice towards them when they face their punishment. But the country would soon fall into chaos if we just let everyone run amok because as Christians we are supposed to forgive them of their crimes.
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Or we can use those things called jails too.
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Can you please explain to me how you reconcile your stance with your religious belief? Where in the New Testament does Jesus support killing anyone? I'm not a Christian but it was my understanding Jesus was all about forgiveness and loving your enemy.
Capital Punishment isn't about someone killing another person, or taking their life. It's about the State killing someone... The State isn't a person, yet.
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A conservative pagan... well don't that beat all
Most of the people I know who follow Norse traditions are pretty conservative.
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Can you please explain to me how you reconcile your stance with your religious belief? Where in the New Testament does Jesus support killing anyone? I'm not a Christian but it was my understanding Jesus was all about forgiveness and loving your enemy.
That wasn't what he was all about. People often refer to the stoning of the adultress to claim Jesus was against execution, but that whole situation was just to trap Jesus and he outsmrted them.
If Jesus can send you to hell for eternity, why would he be against execution? Besides, the State/Government enforces the laws not forgives people who commit sins. His idea of forgivenss is on a personal level. The victim should forgive the one who sinned against them but there is no problem with the one who broke the law to pay the price for their unlawful deed.
Oh and babies are people too, even the unborn ones. /slippery slope
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Oh and babies are people too, even the unborn ones. /slippery slope
Is this the part of the conversation where we point out the hypocrisy of supporting abortion while being opposed to the death penalty?
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I'm not a Christian but I support the death penalty over life imprisonment. Why dehumanize someone and allow them to just wither away? Quick and painless imo.
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A conservative pagan... well don't that beat all
I find it funny you call me a conservative even when it's proven I am more liberal than you. You go on with your bad self though! 
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Being called a conservative isn't a pejorative.
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I didn't take it as one. It isn't a correct label. I guess that isn't important to you though.
I think it does bother you that I am more liberal than you are. I don't know why though.
I don't even think you can name three conservative issues I support.
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What's important to me is the truth. The truth is YOU are a conservative. Granted you aren't a Rush Limbaugh conservative. But you are conservative, none the less.
What's the longest you've ever grown your hair?
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I'm conservative and I had a ponytail past the middle of my back for over a decade.
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What's important to me is the truth. The truth is YOU are a conservative. Granted you aren't a Rush Limbaugh conservative. But you are conservative, none the less.
What's the longest you've ever grown your hair?
Are you mentally retarded? Name me three conservative issues that I support. What makes me a conservative in your eyes.
Why the hair thing?
When i was in my late teens and early 20s it was to my shoulders. Its very curly. Not kinky curly. Just curly. I was a beach bum and a ski bum in my late teens and early 20s. I have to ask again. Are you mentally retarded?
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I don't identify myself a Christian, I was born and raised a Catholic but I don't believe in religion at all, but with that said I am for capital punishment.
To be honest, it's an 'eye for an eye' sort of thing, that and I rather them be dead then being sucking down taxpayer dollars with a roof over their heads and 3 square meals a day. The sad part is it cost much more to have them on death row for 20 years while all the appeals go through.
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If you want to continue this masquerade of being a liberal who am I to deny you that?
OK BOOM you're a liberal. 
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OK BOOM you're a liberal.
If you really believe he is a conservative you can't do that, he has to be excommunicated first.
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That's just a cop out. You can't answer the questions can you? What in your eyes makes me a conservative? I am honestly curious.
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IMHO posted:
OK BOOM you're a liberal.
If you really believe he is a conservative you can't do that, he has to be excommunicated first.
Do I have to fill out forms? ...or does he?
Life would be so much easier if he would just accept his conservative leanings.
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Okay.. forget it.
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I support the idea that some people deserve to die for their crimes. I don't trust the gov't enough to want them to do it though. This is the real irony of the conservative position, IMO.
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I support the idea that some people deserve to die for their crimes. I don't trust the gov't enough to want them to do it though. This is the real irony of the conservative position, IMO.
As long as it is a jury trial aren't you trusting the people?
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I support the idea that some people deserve to die for their crimes. I don't trust the gov't enough to want them to do it though. This is the real irony of the conservative position, IMO.
As long as it is a jury trial aren't you trusting the people?
No. And even if I was I wouldn't trust them.
The law has very specific rules about what "the people" get to see, what they get to hear, how that info is filtered, and all of those decisions are made by the gov't. Further the instructions are designed, written and read by the gov't.
now that doesn't mean that juries or the government are usually wrong. but how many times do they need to be wrong before you feel like it might not be a good idea to let them decide to kill someone?
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The law has very specific rules about what "the people" get to see, what they get to hear, how that info is filtered, and all of those decisions are made by the gov't. Further the instructions are designed, written and read by the gov't.
Most of the time that works in favor of the accused. In the Casey Anthony trial, like many others, the jurors said if they had been able to hear many of the things the judge kept out of the trial they would have convicted her.
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In many cases it does. in many cases it doesn't.
Let's look at it another way. Take "mistake" out of the equation. How many trials do you think are won or lost by lawyer skill?
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