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Life should be rough when you betray your country.
He is just lucky that we weren't in a declared war.
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What is the status of a formal prosecution and trial? Do we still do those or just wait for those that we don't like to be plunged down the memory hole and left to rot?
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Life should be rough when you betray your country.
He is just lucky that we weren't in a declared war.
He betrayed the government. He might have done your country a huge favor.
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The court-martial is going ahead.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/04/bradley-manning-court-martial-wikileaks
"A US army officer has ordered a court martial for Bradley Manning, the soldier charged in the biggest leak of classified information in American history.
Military district of Washington commander Major General Michael Linnington referred all charges against Manning to a general court martial on Friday, the army said in a statement.
The referral means Manning, 24, will stand trial for allegedly giving more than 700,000 secret US documents and a classified combat video to WikiLeaks for publication. He faces 22 counts, including aiding the enemy, and could be imprisoned for life if convicted of that charge.
A judge yet to be appointed will set the trial date."
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Something something path to liberty painted with the blood of patriots.... and tyrants...
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NuEM posted:
Sansfear posted:
Life should be rough when you betray your country.
He is just lucky that we weren't in a declared war.
He betrayed the government.
exposing the crimes your government commits is not betrayal but the highest form of patriotism
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Do not violate the UCMJ unless your prepared to have life suck...
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Do not violate the UCMJ unless your prepared to have life suck...
Military will NOT let him walk.
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I wonder what would've happened had he of been a citizen of another country, say China, and released Chinese documents like that. Would that still be "okay" had this of happened in another country with one of their citizens, and not just a US soldier releasing US stuff?
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Bradley Manning is an American hero. I had a "Free Bradley Manning" sign out our local Occupy protest.
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Manning should be convicted and sent to prison for a very long time. However, the way he has been treated before charges were even brought against him has been shameful.
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I think our prisons are already full.
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Then I guess a firing squad will have to do.
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Special-Fred posted:
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Do not violate the UCMJ unless your prepared to have life suck...
Military will NOT let him walk.
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Eager_Igraine posted:
Special-Fred posted:
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Do not violate the UCMJ unless your prepared to have life suck...
Military will NOT let him walk.
I forsee Manning holding office like other political prisoners as the world realizes the injustice done to him
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Manning is a nutcase. It makes sense you would think him a proper political candidate.
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Urk_VN posted:
I wonder what would've happened had he of been a citizen of another country, say China, and released Chinese documents like that. Would that still be "okay" had this of happened in another country with one of their citizens, and not just a US soldier releasing US stuff?
US media would be masturbating all over themselves calling him a martyr, human rights hero, etc
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Nope, the best place for him is a military prison for the rest of his life.
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Manning will have his own Fox News program soon.
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Manning didn't release documents to be a whistle-blower and to point out some drastic wrong that needed righting. He was peeved about his job and didn't want to be in the army any more. So, he just grabbed as many secret document disks as he could and handed them out. Pretty much the same kind of thing as any disgruntled employee trashing stuff at work because he is unhappy there. Though, what Manning did had far more potential to have serious bad consequences.
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No sympathy for him. His motives were completely without integrity. Just because he's a cause celebre that gives angsty man boys visions of Guy Fawkes masks doesn't make him right. He should spend the rest of his stupid life in prison. I also have no problem with his 8 months in maximum security.
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Manning didn't release documents to be a whistle-blower and to point out some drastic wrong that needed righting.
actually he did, what groucho is spewing is the lamestream propaganda
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When I was young I used to wonder how people could have participated with or supported the Nazis when they were so blatantly evil. But the people condemning PFC Bradley Manning on this board would have fit in just fine with the 3rd Reich. I think I was just naive to think that people were generally good.
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A nazi reference from you? How appropriate.
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When I was young I used to wonder how people could have participated with or supported the Nazis when they were so blatantly evil. But the people condemning PFC Bradley Manning on this board would have fit in just fine with the 3rd Reich.
Godwin invoked.
Thread dead, and you officially "lost".
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No sympathy for him. His motives were completely without integrity. Just because he's a cause celebre that gives angsty man boys visions of Guy Fawkes masks doesn't make him right. He should spend the rest of his stupid life in prison. I also have no problem with his 8 months in maximum security.
Who cares what his motivations are?
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I think the way he has been treated has been pretty shameful.
But when you mess with the bull, you get the horns.
I mean, we torture people now. What the hell did you think was going to happen to you?
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Manning would have been much better off giving the classified material to an American to release, giving secret documents to a foreign national was stupid and could keep him in jail for most of his life.
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We had a guy here who told about some war crimes on Croatian side.
He got killed
I guess real difference was that USA was backing him, so he couldn't
face trial like Manning, so, our bad guys took another way.
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If some crazy lunatic had shot Hitler dead because his wife left him, would that make the deed any less awesome? 
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if it had happened in china, his family would have received the bill for the bullet the day after the Chinese government found out, while they were on the way to the reeducation camp. it doesn't matter what country- treason is treason.
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I wonder what would've happened had he of been a citizen of another country, say China, and released Chinese documents like that. Would that still be "okay" had this of happened in another country with one of their citizens, and not just a US soldier releasing US stuff?
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He isn't charged with Treason.
And we really shouldn't be aspiring to be China when it comes to how we treat prisoners. We're better then that. The crappy thing about that means proving it.
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Lets just all be thankful we have Obama in the White House instead of Bush. The inhumane treatment this guy would be suffering under Bush would have the left melting down all across the globe.
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Nothing wrong, the U-S-A can't be wrong!!!!!!!!!
It's cool being the bad guys
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Bradley Manning is an American hero.
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he's still alive isn't he? his family is still free, and not in a "reeducation" camp aren't they?
he will get legal representation, (unlike china) and will actually HAVE a trial. (unlike china)
bottom line is he is a soldier that violated the military laws and regulations that he swore to follow when he joined the military.
he will be tried and sentenced according to those laws and regulations.
as for the nobel prize bit? any respect i had for the non scientific nobel prizes was lost when they gave it to obama just for getting elected, without doing anything to actually EARN it.
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He isn't charged with Treason.
And we really shouldn't be aspiring to be China when it comes to how we treat prisoners. We're better then that. The crappy thing about that means proving it.
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bottom line is he is a soldier that violated the military laws and regulations that he swore to follow when he joined the military.
he will be tried and sentenced according to those laws and regulations.
as for the nobel prize bit? any respect i had for the non scientific nobel prizes was lost when they gave it to obama just for getting elected, without doing anything to actually EARN it.
I'm curious, what stance USA army has towards war crimes...if you see your
side commit war crime, are you obliged to expose it, or cover it?
From real life examples, its obvious covering is preferred, but what your
military doctrine and laws say about it?
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I hope his blindfold slips right before they yell "Fire!".
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What does it take to be a nobel candidate?
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here is a link to the full UCMJ for the army, the code of law for the army.
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/army_board_study_guide_topics/military_justice/ucmj-uniform-code-of-mili.shtml
here is a link to thelist of cgarges against him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Bradley_Manning
bstulic posted:
uglydwarf posted:
bottom line is he is a soldier that violated the military laws and regulations that he swore to follow when he joined the military.
he will be tried and sentenced according to those laws and regulations.
as for the nobel prize bit? any respect i had for the non scientific nobel prizes was lost when they gave it to obama just for getting elected, without doing anything to actually EARN it.
I'm curious, what stance USA army has towards war crimes...if you see your
side commit war crime, are you obliged to expose it, or cover it?
From real life examples, its obvious covering is preferred, but what your
military doctrine and laws say about it?
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the military is ruled by diffrent laws then civilians.
you cant judge it the same.
If Bradley Manning tried to take it up the chain of command, and was rebuked, then I might side with him. But it doesn;t seem like he did.
So hes worthless.
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