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Topic: Patriots lose!

Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei Posts: 5,106 Registered: Dec 16, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,095 User ID: 1,191,724	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Enough said...going to be a great off season not hearing about Brady and the Patriots! -----signature----- April 26th..the day the future will be known...NFL draft. I'd rather be kicked in the face then be a Patriots fan!
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Going to be a great post-season hearing about Eli having more rings than that pathetic hack of a QB named Peyton Manning. LoL at Peyton having less rings than his brother. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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spy33 Posts: 10,373 Registered: Jun 23, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 9,612 User ID: 937,254	Subject: Patriots lose!
	rings mean crap. eli will never be like his brother. that and brady didnt lose, his recievers didnt catch a damn thing at the end and having gronk hurt means he cant dive to win the game -----signature----- www.youtube.com/spy33 ^^If you can just stop by and watch my vids ill be happy! http://gimpchimp.etilader.com/s.php?u=spy33
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Stiger Title: Nerd in Training Posts: 6,506 Registered: Sep 2, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 6,084 User ID: 710,825	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Seeing the Patriots lose brings a smile to my face. -----signature----- http://www.ericgaston.com http://abcps.webs.com/
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	You are right Spy, Eli will never be like his brother. Eli makes plays in the post-season to get his team a championship, while Peyton has shown time and time again that he will choke under the pressure of the playoffs. There is no debate that Peyton has a level of regular season consistantcy that Eli will never reach, and no other QB in the history of the NFL may ever reach. However, I think you ultimately have to judge a QB by his post-season performances and Eli is definitely ahead of his brother right now. The Colts were favored more often than not in their playoff runs, playing at home in 4 of the 5 playoff games they played in their two AFC Championship seasons, while Eli and the Giants were the underdog playing on the road in five of their six playoff games during their championship seasons. Peyton has never had a playoff run similar to Eli, and Eli has done it twice now; anyone who refuses to at least hear the arguement that Eli is better than Peyton is commited more to ignorance than they are to finding an actual truth. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei Posts: 5,106 Registered: Dec 16, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,095 User ID: 1,191,724	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Amendial...it cracks me up that I felt that whole post was written for me. I could just see you smirking while typing it. LOL -----signature----- April 26th..the day the future will be known...NFL draft. I'd rather be kicked in the face then be a Patriots fan!
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Devaster-S- Posts: 17,232 Registered: Jan 27, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 17,052 User ID: 763,942	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Amendial posted: You are right Spy, Eli will never be like his brother. Eli makes plays in the post-season to get his team a championship, while Peyton has shown time and time again that he will choke under the pressure of the playoffs. There is no debate that Peyton has a level of regular season consistantcy that Eli will never reach, and no other QB in the history of the NFL may ever reach. However, I think you ultimately have to judge a QB by his post-season performances and Eli is definitely ahead of his brother right now. The Colts were favored more often than not in their playoff runs, playing at home in 4 of the 5 playoff games they played in their two AFC Championship seasons, while Eli and the Giants were the underdog playing on the road in five of their six playoff games during their championship seasons. Peyton has never had a playoff run similar to Eli, and Eli has done it twice now; anyone who refuses to at least hear the arguement that Eli is better than Peyton is commited more to ignorance than they are to finding an actual truth. Peyton also took a 2 win team to the playoffs last year and to 14 wins and a SB appearance two years ago. I think it is naive to put all the blame on Peyton. They haven't drafted well and have never managed to put together a defense. Peyton masks that with how he runs the offense and makes mediocre players on offense look like pro-bowlers. I'd be interested in seeing what Peyton can do with a defense like the Giants. Edit: Just goes to show that defense still wins championships. Last year it was the Packers defense that was dominant in the playoffs and the SB. The Saints and Colts are the only real exceptions I can think of in the last decade. And even then those defenses stepped up in the playoffs and the big game. And you could argue that the special teams call by Sean Peyton won them the SB. Look at what has happened to Brady since his defense aged and began to decline. Now it is a bottom of the pack defense and they just aren't finishing games like they used to. That defense isn't holding drives at the end of games anymore. If the Patriots still had their defense from earlier in the decade they would have won the 2 SB's against the Giants. Hell they should have won the one in 07' without that crazy throw from Eli and catch by Tyree. Don't want to play the "what if" game, but defense still wins championships. -----signature----- Devaster Shadow Syndicate [-S-] Chesapeake - Ultima Online
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	I dont know that you can blame the defense of the Patriots. They gave up 17 in one SB loss to the Giants and 21 in another. I dont know that you can say that type of a defensive performance is to blame for the loss. Tom Brady has to find away to break the 20 point mark in both games, which he failed to do. I think the blame for both losses falls squarely on the Patriots ofense. As far as Peyton Manning and the Colts are concerned, you cannot simply imply that because the Colts went 2-14 this year, that they would have been a 2-14 team in years past without Manning. I have said all season that even with Manning the Colt were not a playoff team. They were clearly past their prime last season, and even with Manning they were going to continue that downward trend. Peytons championship season was brought on by steller defensive play in the playoffs. They offensively did not play well against KC, Baltimore, or Chicago for most of those games. However, the Colts defense rose up and did a great job and led the Colts to a championship. The same thing I said about Brady has to be said about Peyton in the post season as well. 17 Points and a game deciding pick six against the Saints is not a failure of the defense, that falls on Manning. 17 Points against the Chargers is a failure on Manning. The blowouts to New England in the early part of the decade fall on Peyton. A good QB in the modern day had to lead his team on enough scoring drives to break the 20 point mark, its plain and simple. Peyton has failed to do that more times than not in the playoffs. And I did not say what I said just to get a rise out of you Liquid, I said it because it needed saying. To not even consider that Eli is better than Peyton when it matters is rediculous. Overall I would still say that Peyton is better because be great in the post-season only matter if you can get there more than once every 2 or 3 seasons, but the game is much closer than most people want to believe. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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spy33 Posts: 10,373 Registered: Jun 23, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 9,612 User ID: 937,254	Subject: Patriots lose!
	u take peyton out of indy they literally sucked mega dong. take eli out and they still would have ended up with the same record, superbowl winners? no but thats the difference in eli to a average QB -----signature----- www.youtube.com/spy33 ^^If you can just stop by and watch my vids ill be happy! http://gimpchimp.etilader.com/s.php?u=spy33
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Are you kidding me? NY Giants had the leagues worst rushing offense this year. That team got the record that it got BECAUSE of Eli Manning. Take Eli away from the Giants and give them Orlavsky or Painter this year and they are picking first in the draft. You see its not the fact that Indy is a two win team without Manning, but more so the fact that just about any team is a two win team with Orlovsky or Painter as their quarterback. Just ask the Detroit Lions. I do not buy any argument for Peytons greatness based off of Indinapolis' performance this season. There are too many factors and variables that go into the equation to be a straight cut and dry comparison. I wont argue against Peytons importance to the Colts, that is evidenced by their clear lack of an NFL ready backup, but to say that he is better than Eli because the Colts went 2-14 without him does not win you anything in an arguement with me. Peyton has had some highly talented teams - both on the offense and defense - throughout his time in Indy, and he regularly failed to get the job done, usually in a poor offensive performance. Look at his post-season losses and tell me the defense is squarely to blame for all of them. Find me more than three of his nine post-season losses where the Colts put up more than 20 points. I don't think you can. In fact I went ahead and did the research for you. 1999 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 19-16 2000 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 23-17 2002 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 41-0 2003 Season: Colts lose their third playoff game 24-14, however, Manning did carry them to the AFC title game with two good offensive performances. 2004 Season: Colts lose their second playoff game 20-3, this following a huge blowout of the Denver Broncos in the wildcard round. 2005 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 21-18 2006 Season: Colts win the Superbowl 2007 Season: Colts lose thier first playoff game 28-24 2008 Season: Colts lose thier first playoff game 23-17 2009 Season: Colts lose the Superbowl 31-17, while putting beating Baltimore 20-3 and the rookie led NY Jets 30-17 2010 Season: Colts lose their first playoff game 17-16 Source: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4785812 Notice something that poped up alot in that playoff history for Manning? Let me help you out, "Colts lose their first playoff game...." Also please notice that the Colts offense only scored more than 17 points twice in those losses and only broke the 20 point mark once in those losses. Also note that in those losses their defense held the opponet to 20 or less points three times, and 24 or less points seven times. It is hard to look at those numbers and still think Peyton is better than his brother Eli, especially in the post-season when it matters most. Just to be safe lets look at Eli's playoff performances. 2005 Season: Giants lose their first playoff game 23-0 2006 Season: Giants lose their first playoff game 23-20 2007 Season: Giants win the Superbowl 2008 Season: Giants lose their first playoff game 23-11 2011 Season: Giants win the Superbowl Only twice did he fail to score more than 20 points in a loss. Peyton Manning failed to score 20 points in a loss more than that after this third trip to the playoffs, Eli won a ring his third trip to the playoffs, all of which came by wins away from the state of NY. Also note that not once did the NY Giants defense keep an opponet under 20 points in a playoff loss. Peyton didnt even win a playoff game until this fourth trip into the playoffs. And in both of his Superbowl seasons Eli put up 20 or more points in all but one game that they won those years (7 out of 8), while the defense gave up more than 17 points in two of those games (2 out of 8). Peyton Manning put up 20 or more points in all but two of his Superbowl appearing seasons (5 out of 7), while his defense gave up more than 17 points in 2 of those games (2 out of 7). So please feel free to throw out all you want about Peytons defense not holding up for him, or whatever, because the numbers do not support that Eli had a much better defensive unit around him than Peyton did. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei Posts: 5,106 Registered: Dec 16, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,095 User ID: 1,191,724	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Amendial on the Hate train...skew your opinion, since you are a Jags fan and have sucked ass for so long. it's easy to say that even with Manning they would have not been a playoff team. i feel differently...but its all hindsight. all i know is that the playoff run i over, and hopefully soon it will start again. a lot of unanswered questions still loom, but i do know that if the Colts make the right moves and for some chance Luck proves to be somewhat a great NFL QB, then i know you will be underhyping him like you do Manning. it's nice to see you spew on and on about the Colts...they bother you or shall i say bothered you. you dont see many topics about the rest of the AFC south do you? -----signature----- April 26th..the day the future will be known...NFL draft. I'd rather be kicked in the face then be a Patriots fan!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Patriots lose!
	When he gets riled up, he gets going! At least you can say he's passionate! -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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spy33 Posts: 10,373 Registered: Jun 23, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 9,612 User ID: 937,254	Subject: Patriots lose!
	if peyton had a defense like eli, yea he would have 3-4 superbowl wins. and im not arguing, i know that eli isnt all that great. best ever?!?!? hahahahaha -----signature----- www.youtube.com/spy33 ^^If you can just stop by and watch my vids ill be happy! http://gimpchimp.etilader.com/s.php?u=spy33
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Still on the Peyton got no help from his defense kick? Did I not break it down enough for you in my last post? My thought process with the Colts not being a playoff team this year as more to do with where I judge them to be as a team. They barely went 9-7 last year, and I did not think they made any moves to get better going into this season. I honestly felt with Manning they would have hung around 8-8, and not been a playoff team. I do not see how the Colts, even with Manning, would have been better than the Houston Texans this season, so a division championship was definitely out of the question. I am not trying to bash Peyton quite as much as I am trying to make a point for Eli. To simply dismiss the discussion is ignorant, the stats and numbers from the playoffs merit a discussion on who the better Manning brother is. I hear the same recycled garbage of excuses - mainly the Peyton never had help from his defense excuse - but the numbers dont seem to line up with those excuses. Read my last post, I think I broke down the number pretty well. You absolutely should not be expected as a defense to win games 13-10 in the playoffs. As an offense in the playoffs you should be expected to score 20 points if you want to win. Tom Brady might have the best "my defense screwed me" case in the NFL right now, but even then I have to blame him more than the defense for their two Superbowl losses. Not once did he break the 20 point mark in either of those games. But if you are going to continue to blame Peytons failures or Eli's success on the defense, I want to see some kind of proof to back up your statement, because from the numbers I looked at the other day, it sure looks like the burden of failure falls on the offense more often than the defense. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei Posts: 5,106 Registered: Dec 16, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,095 User ID: 1,191,724	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Amendial's wall of text! I have watched at least 90% of the games since the Jeff George era...started to really get excited when Harbaugh took the reins and almost and should have made their first SB visit when the dreaded Steelers stole the AFC champ game with Kordell Stewart running out of the endzone and back in catching a TD. that play still makes me sick. then they drafted Manning..the debate was all about him and Leaf then. they chose correctly under Polian and then the GM assembled a team that fit the Manning playstyle not unlike most GM's with their franchise QB. after the years and drafts, Manning made the running game look somewhat ok by forcing the other teams to run different D's most of the time with nickles and dimes the whole game...he also made our D look ok at times by using total ball control and only allowing the other teams to play either catch up or one type of D..usually passing, (hence why we have two badass DE's!). Manning was the team and it showed..not that we didnt have great players, but those great players were put into place due to the commander at the helm. without his direction you could see the results. teams have always been allowed to rush on us..its been a huge frustration for countless years, but one thing you could depend on is that those same teams are going to have throw the ball and try and hurry up and score due to the fact that Manning is going to put up points and quickly. your assumption of a record is pointless...we dont know what would have happened. IF he was healthy...when he came back from his last injury if you recall...we lost against the Texans, won 2 and lost our 4th...then we went on a winning streak. stumbled i believe with the Pats and Cowboys, but we started out slow due to Manning not being 100%. what ever the future holds for Manning, one thing i know for sure...my loyalty is to the team, not the player since usually their loyalty isnt to me. and ill be a hater like Amendial if i see another jersey on his back...if it's against my Colts. take your Jags...i like Del Rio, imo he wasnt the issue...they didnt give him the one thing he really needed...a solid QB. his D was good, specially the LB's, had a great running game..his receivers were somewhat ok, but the QB situation was a dumpster fire. he did as best as he could with the QB that he had...fire the GM, but keep Del Rio...imo. -----signature----- April 26th..the day the future will be known...NFL draft. I'd rather be kicked in the face then be a Patriots fan!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Patriots lose!
	O, so now you want to gang up on me eh? The Jags have a solid QB now. But he needs receivers who can catch the ball and a line that can give him some time to throw it! .. and a full off season to actually learn the playbook and be coached! Those Jags are a lot more than a QB away from being the Colts from a few years ago! -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Liquid741 Title: VN Sensei Posts: 5,106 Registered: Dec 16, '06 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,095 User ID: 1,191,724	Subject: Patriots lose!
	really think that the Jags are going to be the Colts from a few years ago? ill change my icon to a Jags logo, if they match division titles that the Colts put up... AFC South: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010 -----signature----- April 26th..the day the future will be known...NFL draft. I'd rather be kicked in the face then be a Patriots fan!
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Your point on the Jaguars is dead on Liquid, and that actually goes on to prove my point for me. The Jaguars have everything the Colts didnt have for years, and not a lot that the Colts did have. Why is one successful and the other not so successful, simple its Quarterback play. Thats my point for Eli exactly. You can't attribute the success to his defense, the difference between the Superbowl Champion Giants, and the top 10 pick in the draft Giants is Eli Manning. The difference between a one and done in the playoffs and a Superbowl is Eli Manning. People have complained about Peyton not getting help, but he has the same kind of players Eli has. Peyton has always had good pass rushers and good safties, Peytons defense has usually had decent corners. Thats exactly how the New York defense is. I do not buy into an arguement that Eli's defenses were so great his two superbowl seasons that every quarterback could win a championship with them. Watch the last Giants drive from both Superbowls and tell me they are not world champions because of Eli Manning. Watch the Packers game and tell me they are not world champions because of Eli Manning. Players like Kurt Warner are out there saying Eli is not even the in the discussion for HOF? Are you kidding me? The guy should be a lock to make the HOF if he has even an average finish to his career. I am not trying to completely bash on Peyton Manning here, just trying to point out that the debate between who is the overall better QB between Eli and Peyton is not even close to cut and dry. And to assume I have some bias against Peyton Manning is a little old fashioned. I admit in the past I have been overly harsh on Peyton, but that is in the past. He is pretty much not a Colt anymore, which means I dont have a problem with him anymore, but that doesnt mean I am going to ignore his failures and proclaim him the god of NFL quarterbacks. He has to show me he is. Eli showed me two great career defining moments in the Superbowl. Peytons career defining moment is watching him half heartedly try and tackle the New Orleans DB as he ran the other way late in the fourth quarter to seal the NO win. Both Mannings have thrown a touchdown in crunch time for their teams in the Superbowl, but Eli is the only one who contributed points to his team. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	I would much rather the Jaguars didnt become the Colts of the past decade, I would prefer they dont go one and done in 7 of 11 playoff appearences. I wouldnt mind being the Patriots of the past decade. Or the Steelers; or even the New York Giants. While those teams had less regular season success, they were much better in the post-season, which is the season that matters most in the NFL. Also I would not be so quick to crown Gabbert as the next big quarterback. He has a long, long ways to go before he can establish himself as a justified starter in the NFL. He made some amazing plays this year, but he made some stupid plays much more often. I will admit that he had the leagues worst receieving unit on his team, but Gabbert needs to make a lot of improvement to his game before he can be mentioned in a conversation of legitimate NFL starters, not to mention all time great QB's like Peyton Manning. EDIT: Also as far as Del Rio goes, I supported him for years but this year I finally had to admit it was time to let him go. We have only had two playoff appearances under him and zero division titles. We consistently hung around .500 throughout most of his career and I just did not think he established a great atmosphere in the organization. I think he was a great coach, but after nine seasons things had just become stale in Jacksonville. We were never going to get over the hump without a culture change in Jacksonville. As far as the GM goes, I would have burned all my Jaguars gear and become a fan of a new team if we fired our GM, he is one of the best in the league. He has only been at the helm for three years and never had a full assortment of draft picks to work with, but he has made great progress. All signs show that Monroe and Alualu are going to be star players going forward. Britton and Cox are going to be starters for a while in this league as well. Its not his fault the previous regime left behind two good players in 6 years. With good play from our passing offense the Jaguars will be a force in the division and the AFC. Our defense is rebuilt with young players, the offensive line is rebuilt with young players, and we have one of the best rushing attacks in the league. If QB and WR play ever gets fixed, watch out. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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spy33 Posts: 10,373 Registered: Jun 23, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 9,612 User ID: 937,254	Subject: Patriots lose!
	so your saying blaine garbage is going to be a great QB?? hahahahhahahah -----signature----- www.youtube.com/spy33 ^^If you can just stop by and watch my vids ill be happy! http://gimpchimp.etilader.com/s.php?u=spy33
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	For once I have to agree with Spy. I dont know that I have seen anything to tell me anything about Blaine Gabbert yet. I will not rule out the potential for him being a legitimate elite level QB in the NFL someday, but I cannot say for certain that he will even be in the NFL three years from now. I can say that if his play doesnt improve significantly next year and the year after than he will probably not be sitting in a very good situation career wise. I honestly hope he ends up being the next elite quarterback in the NFL, but he has not shown me a lot to his point that shows it is a realistic hope. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Patriots lose!
	In all honesty, he wasn't all that great at Mizzou... But having said that, he got drafted into just about as bad a situation as any QB could. There was a lockout so he didn't get to practice or learn much from the coaches. He was supposed to have a chance to make up that learning curve by sitting a year only to have the starting QB cut a week before the season started. Even if he had been able to learn everything the coaches wanted to teach him, they ended up getting canned half way through the season. He had a very young and inexperienced offensive line that added a lot to his already pre-existing condition of 'happy feet', and even when he could get his passes off they went to a group of receivers that dropped more passes than they caught! (ok, that last one was a bit of an exageration, but it sure seemed that way) About the only good thing he had going was that he could hand the ball off like a champ! Even with all that, his rookie stats were not all that bad historically, not good or great, but not horrible. At this point (and yes it's really early), he is not in a good situation to be the next franchise QB, but more of a journeyman backup career trajectory. However, that can change, he is skilled enough to make it this far. I would never say that he is the next Drew Brees or Tom Brady (or even either Manning), or defend his play for other than what it is, but I am not about to discount his abilities based upon what happened this past year. -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Dont get me wrong no one here wants him to win 5 superbowls with the team that drafted him more than I do. I have not given up hope on the kid, he didnt exactly come into the same situations that Dalton and Newton did. I expect to see those weapons be placed around him this off-season. I will be surprised if the Jaguars dont sign a high profile WR in free agency, and draft another young WR. I also expect to see Cecil Shorts have a much larger impact this next season. Because those weapons will be placed around him this year, it is going to be put up or shut up time for Gabbert. No excuses, just victories. Also it should be noted that he is barely an adult. I think he is only 21 right now. There is plenty of time for him to grow, most of his flaws are coachable, and most of what is not coachable Gabbert does do pretty well. The only thing I would like to see him do less of is show his face in that back water inbred town we call Columbia. He suffered enough in that city, just leave it behind you Blaine, you are a son of Jacksonville now. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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redlegOIF Title: Fire for Effect! Posts: 13,551 Registered: Aug 17, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,629 User ID: 1,073,889	Subject: Patriots lose!
	spy33 posted: rings mean crap. eli will never be like his brother. that and brady didnt lose, his recievers didnt catch a damn thing at the end and having gronk hurt means he cant dive to win the game Brady intentionally grounded in the end zone on his first play of the game. He cost his team 2 points and possession. They lost by 4 pts. It would have been by 2 if Brady didn't screw up, or more likley by 3 since the Giants wouldn't have gone for that failed 2pt conversion. So with 57 seconds left in the game, the Patriots would have been driving for field goal range to tie it instead of heaving Hail Mary's down the field like a losing college team. Brady cost his team the ring, not just his recievers. Brady was screwing up from the moment he got the ball, rookie mistakes to boot. -----signature----- -Beast dude, I still pretend to be a girl -CaitlynFairchild I still can't get over the fact that you said the Cowboys were once a dynasty hahahha -Stangkilla McCarthy is a dolt, and Green Bay will never win it all with him as the head coach. -Lambeau
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	That two points changes everything, and at the same time, it could have changed nothing. Take those two points away and the Giants are suddenly down four instead of two at the end. No way the patriots let them score leading by four. So now with a minute to go the Giants have first and goal from the 10. Do they score on the first play? Or get stopped a few times and run time of the clock. Maybe they score on the first play anyways and Brady does have 57 seconds to get a field goal, or perhaps they score with 10 secs left and it doesnt matter. It is all speculative, but I would not say the safety cost them the ball game. It was early in the game and factored minimally in the outcome of the game. The Wes Welker dropped pass, that cost the Patriots the game, and there is no debate about that. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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redlegOIF Title: Fire for Effect! Posts: 13,551 Registered: Aug 17, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,629 User ID: 1,073,889	Subject: Patriots lose!
	Amendial posted: That two points changes everything, and at the same time, it could have changed nothing. Take those two points away and the Giants are suddenly down four instead of two at the end. No way the patriots let them score leading by four. So now with a minute to go the Giants have first and goal from the 10. Do they score on the first play? Or get stopped a few times and run time of the clock. Maybe they score on the first play anyways and Brady does have 57 seconds to get a field goal, or perhaps they score with 10 secs left and it doesnt matter. It is all speculative, but I would not say the safety cost them the ball game. It was early in the game and factored minimally in the outcome of the game. The Wes Welker dropped pass, that cost the Patriots the game, and there is no debate about that. It's not just the 2pts. It's the possession they lost as well. It is all speculative of course, but who is to say they don't score on their first possession if Brady doesn't screw up like that? -----signature----- -Beast dude, I still pretend to be a girl -CaitlynFairchild I still can't get over the fact that you said the Cowboys were once a dynasty hahahha -Stangkilla McCarthy is a dolt, and Green Bay will never win it all with him as the head coach. -Lambeau
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Patriots lose!
	98 yards to start the game? You sure do have a lot of faith in Tom Brady. A score would have set the tone early, but I think even without the mistake it was a long shot they turned the first drive into point starting at their own two yard line. It was a bad mistake by Brady, but I think it had very little to no bearing on the end of the game. Now if that mistake had happened in the fourth quarter, then it would be one of the biggest Superbowl blunders in recent history. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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spy33 Posts: 10,373 Registered: Jun 23, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 9,612 User ID: 937,254	Subject: Patriots lose!
	go watch the replay guy, the receiver turned in the way brady decided to roll out. brady didnt see it and threw the ball to where the receiver should have been in the first place. -----signature----- www.youtube.com/spy33 ^^If you can just stop by and watch my vids ill be happy! http://gimpchimp.etilader.com/s.php?u=spy33
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