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I know the same group of people will support or deny he should just wondering what the reason are other then being a democrat or Republican.
I think he should myself. The economy was in dire straits when he took office. Its better then it was but it still sucks. That would be the reason I wouldn't vote for the guy. Really don't like his stance on China which is pretty much no stance.
However he has had some pluses. Bin laden,new governments in Libya and Egypt. Seems like Iraq has settled and our troops are pretty much out of there. Yeah that took to long but still we are done.
Obama care yeah I know some dont support it but myself thinks its a good law it puts the burden of having health insurance on everyone so hospitals dont get stuck with the bill. It needs a lot of fine tuning hope it gets done.
He oversaw the auto and bank bailouts that GWB signed into law. The auto-bailouts were handled well imo they forced some reforms on the business replaced some ceo and really helped put the American auto industry back on track. GWB was right not to let it die he took way to long to recognize how badly it needed help but better late then never. The Bank Bailouts are another story seems to me it was just a quick low interest loan and the banks were not held responsible for that.
On the Rebulican side it looks to be either Newt or Mitt and both of those guys seem like they would suck imo so their is another reason to vote Obama.
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vote for who you support, not who is least worst between douchebag and turd sandwhich.
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Since Obama was George W.'s third term, the question to ask really is
Why shouldn't Bush be elected again?
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Brother_Tempus posted:
Since Obama was George W.'s third term, the question to ask really is
Why shouldn't Bush be elected again?
I cant even argue just shows you how much the establishments control things and how their needs to be a drastic change but that wont come from this election. It will come from large protest and riots most likely the OWS is just the beginning imo.
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here is an interesting read.... Did Obama make the economy worse? Not according to most statistics
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Obama is a right of center dick bag on many issues, but he is much better than anything the "conservatives" can come up with. In addition, he occasionally supports some fairly moderate things.....which no one elected by Republicans could ever do.
He isn't just the "lessor of two evils" (though he certainly is that to some extent), he is also actually correct in a few of his policies.
Bout the best anyone can hope for these days, so he gets my vote.
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Obama is a right of center dick bag on many issues, but he is much better than anything the "conservatives" can come up with. In addition, he occasionally supports some fairly moderate things.....which no one elected by Republicans could ever do.
He isn't just the "lessor of two evils" (though he certainly is that to some extent), he is also actually correct in a few of his policies.
Bout the best anyone can hope for these days, so he gets my vote.
agreed, he has done a lot quietly, just because every bill doesn't have its own press conference doesn't mean he isn't working for the change he promised.
I still hope for a few things, one is line item veto. There is too much bad legislation that gets pushed through because its attached to something unrelated, but important.
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Since Obama was George W.'s third term, the question to ask really is
Why shouldn't Bush be elected again?
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people with their head up obama's arse can not see the house of cards he is creating.
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Because he has no fear of needing reelection and he's a liberal and were broke. You don't leave a man like that in charge with that circumstance... But don't worry... We will
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people with their head up bush's arse can not see the house of cards he is creating.
Fixed that for you.
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lesser of the 2 evils.
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lesser of the 2 evils.
you hope
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vote for who you support, not who is least worst between douchebag and turd sandwhich.
So basically I'd be voting for myself every year, because every other person on this planet is a complete moron and vastly inferior to me.
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Bat_Avenger posted:
people with their head up bush's arse can not see the house of cards he is creating.
Fixed that for you.
you guys crack me up 
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Sounds like a lot of people here are yearning for a real Democrat to run in the next election. Get away from all this Bush/Obama stuff, right?
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Obamanomics?
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He shouldn't have been elected the first time around.
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Why not? He won the election handily with no controversy (unless you're a birther, in which case the conversation ends here).
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He failed to fix 6 years of neocongress and 8 years of GWB singlehandedly.
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Presuming Romney gets the nomination, I'll actually give him some serious consideration. His China policy is pretty much the *only* area where we agree, but that's pretty important to me. Obama rattled some sabers in the state of the union about getting tough on China, but I don't see where it's being effective.
My biggest problem with Obama is that he's too far to the right of me, and no Republican is ever going to be more appealing to me in that respect. If he'd had a serious primary challenge by a true liberal such as Kucinich or Dean, I'd have likely voted against Obama in the primary, but I'd still almost certainly vote for Obama in the general against almost any Republican.
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why, because the things he intended and had absolute power in fulfilling, he failed with.
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why, because the things he intended and had absolute power in fulfilling, he failed with.
Actually, the executive powers he has, he's been remarkably successful with. Bin Laden. Dead. Gadaff. Dead. Iraq. Troops Withdrawn. You should, perhaps, look up the powers of the executive branch sometime.
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why, because the things he intended and had absolute power in fulfilling, he failed with.
Actually, the executive powers he has, he's been remarkably successful with. Bin Laden. Dead. Gadaff. Dead. Iraq. Troops Withdrawn. You should, perhaps, look up the powers of the executive branch sometime.
Lobbyists out...FAILED.
even used his executive powers to create waivers so they didn't have to fulfill the rules he put in place.
sure he has done things, but i dont recall killing bin laden nor ghadaffi in his campaign.
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-Rando- posted:
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why, because the things he intended and had absolute power in fulfilling, he failed with.
Actually, the executive powers he has, he's been remarkably successful with. Bin Laden. Dead. Gadaff. Dead. Iraq. Troops Withdrawn. You should, perhaps, look up the powers of the executive branch sometime.
Lobbyists out...FAILED.
even used his executive powers to create waivers so they didn't have to fulfill the rules he put in place.
sure he has done things, but i dont recall killing bin laden nor ghadaffi in his campaign.
If you're actually interested in how his actions stack up with his campaign promises, check this out:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
The Obameter Scorecard
* Promise Kept 165
* Compromise 51
* Promise Broken 56
* Stalled 65
* In the Works 169
* Not yet rated
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been there...and again, there are quite a few things there he had absolute control over and failed with.
i see there may be some confusion as i reworded my initial response and didn't proofread so well...in no way did i mean to make it seem like he did nothing.
IMO lobbyists are a big problem as they go hand and hand with corruption and waste in the government.
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Lobbyist and special interests are a necessary evil and have been since our country was founded. James Madison actually used them as an example to keeping the government moving and not let a super majority form. I'm not saying that I'm for lobbyists, but I accept them as a side effect of our country and political system.
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IMO lobbyists are a big problem as they go hand and hand with corruption and waste in the government.
Yes, they are. There's no way for someone to get elected without the aide of big money though. A president can't just change the system. Obama was certainly ambitious in promising to eliminate lobbyist from the white house, but when he started looking at the list of qualified people to nominate for cabinet positions and for positions within his administration, I think he got a reality check on how deep the corruption (which we in the US know as "politics" goes).
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by how deep the corruption was you mean he didn't know how full his pockets were and from who.
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Balance the budget - Fail
Transparency in congress - Fail
Broadcasting important legislative hearings on public television - Fail
Bring home our troops from Iraq - Took 3? 4 years?
No more financing for new offshore drilling - Fail
But on the bright side, at least Obama signed an act that effectively ended the Bill of Rights by allowing government to indefinitely detain citizens without due process
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He should.
The republican clowns on the stage atm only serve to create a stronger contrast between him and the crazies.
I don't agree with all of his decisions(effing pipeline anyone?), but at this point he's the only one up for the job that is even speaking like a reasonable human being. The Romney cover band robot has memorized America the Beautiful and is currently performing on tour courtesy of his filthy richness, and Gingrich looks and acts like purified evil just waiting to get his grubby little paws on the reins. It's difficult to imagine who the running mate will end up being. If it's a Romney/Trump ticket I will just begin assuming that I am in the malfunctioning matrix.
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First of all, I don't think we can afford another term from Obama. His staggering addition to our debt will be felt by many generations to come. He is one of the most divisive Presidents we have had in some time and we simply can't tolerate that. He is a poor leader as well, preferring to create super-committees and then decrying their findings. He blames any and everyone but himself for anything negative and seems delusional about the realities we face. Kind of reminds me of Steve Jobs and the reality distortion field he was so famous for maintaining.
He is admitting now that being the President is harder than he thought. He accused Bush's request for a credit increase as a failure of leadership and only now admits that a Senator is in no position to understand the complexities involved. This was, of course, true but he only said it to divert any accusations of his failed leadership. He had free reign the first 2 years with a majority across the board and did little more than extend many of Bush's more onerous bills. Oh yeah, he managed to saddle us with a health care bill we will not be able to sustain. The true sign of it's epic fail was when a member of congress was quoted that we had to pass the bill to figure out what was in it.
Now, the true problem is the conservatives are bringing nothing better to the table. We have a crap sandwich in one hand and a urine shake in the other, not much of a choice to be frank. So pick your poison, the known Libtard in the office or the Conservatard that wants the job.
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
First of all, I don't think we can afford another term from Obama. His staggering addition to our debt will be felt by many generations to come. He is one of the most divisive Presidents we have had in some time and we simply can't tolerate that. He is a poor leader as well, preferring to create super-committees and then decrying their findings. He blames any and everyone but himself for anything negative and seems delusional about the realities we face. Kind of reminds me of Steve Jobs and the reality distortion field he was so famous for maintaining.
He is admitting now that being the President is harder than he thought. He accused Bush's request for a credit increase as a failure of leadership and only now admits that a Senator is in no position to understand the complexities involved. This was, of course, true but he only said it to divert any accusations of his failed leadership. He had free reign the first 2 years with a majority across the board and did little more than extend many of Bush's more onerous bills. Oh yeah, he managed to saddle us with a health care bill we will not be able to sustain. The true sign of it's epic fail was when a member of congress was quoted that we had to pass the bill to figure out what was in it.
Now, the true problem is the conservatives are bringing nothing better to the table. We have a crap sandwich in one hand and a urine shake in the other, not much of a choice to be frank. So pick your poison, the known Libtard in the office or the Conservatard that wants the job.
If anything you just said was actually true you'd have a pretty good point.
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Balance the budget - Fail
Transparency in congress - Fail
Broadcasting important legislative hearings on public television - Fail
Bring home our troops from Iraq - Took 3? 4 years?
No more financing for new offshore drilling - Fail
But on the bright side, at least Obama signed an act that effectively ended the Bill of Rights by allowing government to indefinitely detain citizens without due process
The biggest issue by far IMO. Economies go up and down but restrictions on liberties and suspension of rights should scare everyone. For some reason it's not.
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[quote=-Abysmal-]Obama was certainly ambitious in promising to eliminate lobbyist from the white house, but when he started looking at the list of qualified people to nominate for cabinet positions and for positions within his administration, I think he got a reality check on how deep the corruption (which we in the US know as "politics" goes).
yeah cuz I'm sure the time between 1997 and his election as President where he was serving as a Senator for the same area of the country that handed us Rod Blagojevich... nah, not even gonna finish it 
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he is black
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sure he has done things, but i dont recall killing bin laden nor ghadaffi in his campaign.
Bin Laden was. He promised to stop ignoring him as Bush had and redouble our efforts on Al Qaeda. What do you suppose that meant? Capture or kill, which were the precise parameters of that mission.
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Balance the budget - Fail
He never promised this.
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Transparency in congress - Fail
Given that the president has ABSOLUTELY NO POWER TO DO THIS, I doubt he promised this, either.
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Broadcasting important legislative hearings on public television - Fail
There's some quibbling over definitions and details here, but I'll grant you this one.
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Bring home our troops from Iraq - Took 3? 4 years?
He got it done within his first term, and he never promised anything faster.
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No more financing for new offshore drilling - Fail
The US is currently producing more crude than at any time in history, and out biggest manufactured export is actually *refined gasoline*. You don't hear about that on RWN radio because they can't get their non-union janitors to clean up the mess after the hosts' heads asplode.
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But on the bright side, at least Obama signed an act that effectively ended the Bill of Rights by allowing government to indefinitely detain citizens without due process
I'm not happy with it, but like everyone else, you have the details wrong: only the president has the authority to do this, and only for very specific and high-level classes of national enemies. Being a citizen who is a card-carrying member of Al Qaeda who's planning to suicide bomb a shopping center is insufficient grounds for indefinite detention in this provision, even off of US soil.
I'm not happy with any level of indefinite detention without charge, but I apply that to all enemy combatants, not just US citizens within US borders. Bush classified them as "enemy combatants" so he wouldn't have to give them preferential treatment that POWs get under the Geneva Convention, but he failed to realize that enemy combatants by legal definition are entitled to trial. I'm extremely disappointed that Obama has failed to either correctly classify these prisoners or to grant them the right to trial to which they are legally entitled.
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Arc_DT posted:
.-Vega-. posted:
Balance the budget - Fail
He never promised this.
He promised some cuts but never a balanced budget. He has failed at anything even resembling fiscal responsibility
Arc_DT posted:
.-Vega-. posted:
Transparency in congress - Fail
Given that the president has ABSOLUTELY NO POWER TO DO THIS, I doubt he promised this, either.
He did not promise transparency in Congress, but he did make several promises regarding a transparent administration and he has failed more than he succeeded at this.
Arc_DT posted:
.-Vega-. posted:
Broadcasting important legislative hearings on public television - Fail
There's some quibbling over definitions and details here, but I'll grant you this one.
There is still C-Span but this is really not a very important issue since the average person doesn't have the attention span to sit through a hearing where our elected officials are speaking more to hear themselves speak than actually saying anything of substance. I can't knock Obama for this.
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[quote=.-Vega-.]Bring home our troops from Iraq - Took 3? 4 years?
He got it done within his first term, and he never promised anything faster.[/quote]
The troop withdrawal was negotiated while Bush was still in office so Obama had nothing to do with this success except honor the previous administrations agreement with Iraq.
Arc_DT posted:
[quote=.-Vega-.]No more financing for new offshore drilling - Fail
The US is currently producing more crude than at any time in history, and out biggest manufactured export is actually *refined gasoline*. You don't hear about that on RWN radio because they can't get their non-union janitors to clean up the mess after the hosts' heads asplode.[/quote]
The US still does not produce enough oil to meet its needs, the Oil companies are just importing oil that is not going to be used in the US, refining it, and then exporting it to other countries. The US still has to import nearly 50% of the oil it needs. http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=36&t=6
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[quote=.-Vega-.]But on the bright side, at least Obama signed an act that effectively ended the Bill of Rights by allowing government to indefinitely detain citizens without due process
I'm not happy with it, but like everyone else, you have the details wrong: only the president has the authority to do this, and only for very specific and high-level classes of national enemies. Being a citizen who is a card-carrying member of Al Qaeda who's planning to suicide bomb a shopping center is insufficient grounds for indefinite detention in this provision, even off of US soil.
I'm not happy with any level of indefinite detention without charge, but I apply that to all enemy combatants, not just US citizens within US borders. Bush classified them as "enemy combatants" so he wouldn't have to give them preferential treatment that POWs get under the Geneva Convention, but he failed to realize that enemy combatants by legal definition are entitled to trial. I'm extremely disappointed that Obama has failed to either correctly classify these prisoners or to grant them the right to trial to which they are legally entitled.[/quote]
If this were something Bush did, you'd probably be screaming bloody murder.
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Arc_DT posted:
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Balance the budget - Fail
He never promised this.
"Yesterday, I held a fiscal summit where I pledged to cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term in office."
-Barack Obama
"My administration has also begun to go line by line through the federal budget in order to eliminate wasteful and ineffective programs."
- Barack Obama
Arc_DT posted:
.-Vega-. posted:
Transparency in congress - Fail
Given that the president has ABSOLUTELY NO POWER TO DO THIS, I doubt he promised this, either.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72g7qmeP1dE
Herp derp Arc_DT. If you want to talk politics you've got to bring something more than ignorance to the table.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xupDegJ3avQ&feature=related
Like someone above said, it's no secret that (the administration of) Bush laid off. Like him or not, Obama DID repeatedly say during his campaign that he would refocus urgency on OBL. Look what happened in his first term.
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