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Andrew is formed from matter, energy and consciousness.
As matter does not disappear with his death, but only changes form
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As energy does not disappear with his death, but only modifies the mode of its activity.
Andrew's consciousness, also, cannot simply disappear, but must merely change its form and mode (plane) of activity.
Therefore, Andrew is immortal
This is inductive reasoning argued through analogy.
Weigh in with your opinion.
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I totally agree. Out bodies are simple tools for our conscious spirits to engage in experiences on our path toward spiritual enlightenment. This may take many lifetimes to attain. We are not primarily humans and then spiritual beings, we ARE spiritual beings occupying human form. We are eternal.
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I don't believe in magic.
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There is a mysterious relationship from consciousness, matter and energy to Consciousness. Ancient wisdom states: The same above (Consciousness) as below matter energy and consciousness. This is why, I say things like, Catherine of Sienna's: "It's heaven all the way to heaven." We have everything we need right now to experience whatever it is enlightenment is. I have struggled my whole life, believing enlightenment is the plum. I know in my deepest heart this is an error. There is no such thing as enlightenment. There is only, what Is and I just don't get it. The good news is i dont need to get it. I can just be. If i am going to just be, I'm going to make the best with what I have.
Science uses inductive reasoning, Tyche. Inductive reasoning coupled with analogy is Magic.
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I don't think there is anything to attain or accomplish.
Existence is. There is nothing we are to do, and there is nothing we are not to do.
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I'm in complete agreement with you Allstar.
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Modeeb posted:
There is a mysterious relationship from consciousness, matter and energy to Consciousness. Ancient wisdom states: The same above (Consciousness) as below matter energy and consciousness. This is why, I say things like, Catherine of Sienna's: "It's heaven all the way to heaven." We have everything we need right now to experience whatever it is enlightenment is. I have struggled my whole life, believing enlightenment is the plum. I know in my deepest heart this is an error. There is no such thing as enlightenment. There is only, what Is and I just don't get it. The good news is i dont need to get it. I can just be. If i am going to just be, I'm going to make the best with what I have.
This is a profound statement from someone who is learning to let go which is a major pathway to enlightenment. Enlightenment is only a simple way to describe something we struggle to articulate, like trying to explain love.
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Allstarslacker posted:
I don't think there is anything to attain or accomplish.
Existence is. There is nothing we are to do, and there is nothing we are not to do.
Modeeb posted:
I'm in complete agreement with you Allstar.
WTF...I say WTF? 
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Wtf is perfect! You can have just as much saying wtf as you can saying aha!
Defending Your Life Big Brain
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Everything dies. Enjoy your time on this planet while it lasts
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Yes Bonk. Here is the inductive argument for your position:
"Peter is a man and is dead
and
Michael is a man and is dead
and
John is a man and is dead.
Therefore, man is mortal."
"The force of the argument depends on the number or quantity of facts known through experience.
The method of arguing through analogy adds a qualititative element (i.e. that which is of intrinsic importance to the quantitative)." Unknown author
The top argument adds analogy to induction.
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in the face of reality some logical argruments fail
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Inductive arguments are never conclusive. Even though the sun rises every morning, we cannot say for certain: The sun will rise tomorrow.
I accept all of the limitations for uncertainty with respect to the argument for immortality.
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Every instant in time happens forever.
Time does not flow, it's constant, we just perceive it incompletely (just like everything else)
Thus, everything that ever was will always be.
Even that time you did that thing you wish you could forget.
Sorry. 
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