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It's obvious who the better team is. Can't believe the Bulls think Rip Hamilton would be the best option this off season :/
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Now I'm going to have to eat my words, aren't I?
Hamilton still sucks.
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Hamilton doesn't suck at all, I don't think you know what you're talking about. If you need to rip somebody, rip Boozer. Everyone knows he's the scapegoat.
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Hamilton doesn't suck at all, I don't think you know what you're talking about. If you need to rip somebody, rip Boozer. Everyone knows he's the scapegoat.
Boozer does suck, but really? Rip Hamilton was the best they could do?
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Yes
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Jamal Crawford would have been a better fit imo.
Or Shannon Brown?
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No
Shannon Brown is a terrible NBA player
Ans Jamal Crawford is a ball hog, a ball stopper and one of the worst defenders in the NBA
I think if you look at both these players stats this season, you'll find they're having much worse years than Rip
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even you can agree, that stats can't tell the story here.
Hamilton has the MVP of the league on his team.
The only person that compares to Rose on those two teams is Nash, and Rose is still a completely different beast.
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Ok forget the stats. Rip is a a multi time NBA champion, a savvy veteran of the game, and the most dangerous person in the league coming off screens next to Ray Allen. He didn't have a good game but Rip is honestly one of the last people I'm worried about on this team.
I'm more worried about kyle korver and carlos boozer.
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there is no way they can get rid of boozer either with the huge contract he got.
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Nope. He looks like an amnesty case, which is a real shame. I doubt the Bulls FO is going to amnesty him either, they're not going to admit that mistake. Besides, they have nobody to replace him. Where are they going to get a PF better than Booz from?
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did the bulls win?
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No, but I wrote this game off as a loss before it even began. Bad spot for them and too many injuries.
I'm surprised they managed to keep it so close till the very final seconds
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It's nice of you to pretend to care Foxy  
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i remember them form long ago. i dont know the new players and all, but i remember them being the best.
dont know many on the dallas team either but last year, THEY were the best ;P
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Nobody picked Dallas to win it all last year, in fact they had a reputation for being playoff chokers and many thought they would be out in the first round. Through good team work they managed to advance and eventually beat the annual favorites and modern NBA powerhouse team, the Miami Heat. Outcomes like that are what make the NBA so fun to watch; it's the type of improbable victory against all odds that most people here can't appreciate because they hate the NBA and don't follow it for various reasons. It can be quite dramatic and entertaining.
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them being in it made lots of ppl around here pretty happy.
and it was good to watch as they were DOING something that no one thought they could do. i think they questioned it, but they went out and did it.
that is what makes a team a winner.
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Not even the players in the league care about the nba
seriously
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Who is softer, Carlos Boozer or the 2011 Green Bay Packers?
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Clearly boozer
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Who is softer, Carlos Boozer or the 2011 Green Bay Packers?
well that sure makes Boozer look hard as stone!
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Nope. He looks like an amnesty case, which is a real shame. I doubt the Bulls FO is going to amnesty him either, they're not going to admit that mistake. Besides, they have nobody to replace him. Where are they going to get a PF better than Booz from?
Amnesty him, then get Dwight and move Noah to 4 
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Dwight ain't coming to Chicago...nobody ever comes to Chicago. All the star FA's want to go to LA, South Beach or NY. Chicago gets stuck with the Carlos Boozers of the world. That's probably why they needed to become a great drafting and development team just like the Spurs: out of necessity.
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I blame Jerry Reinsdorf entirely for this.
Doesn't make the Bulls appealing enough imo. Stars love to come to Chicago in other sports.
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It's kinda hard to blame JR for anything considering the great job he's done with the Bulls...and the championship he brought to Chicago with the Sox.
Reportedly, Dwight Howard doesn't want to be a Bull because it's too cold here. When you're dealing with that level of immaturity, it's not Reinsdorfs fault. Dwight doesn't seem to care about winning, he just wants to be in LA with the sunny beaches and movie stars, end of story.
The last star who actually said "I want to go to Chicago" was Kobe Bryant, 1000 years ago
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What a weird game.
What's amazing is, ikkoi loves to talk about Rose being the MVP of the league, but fails to mention that Rose winning was the worst travesty since Barkley beating Jordan for an MVP.
Statistically, post Jordan, no player has been as Jordanesque as Lebron. If you look at the chart here you'll see how much better Lebron James season has been than everyone in the league. Of course, the sports writers of America have decided that until Lebron wins an NBA championship, he will win no more MVP awards, despite the fact that no one measures up to him in overall stats, the eyeball test, and ability to win games and sell tickets.
Want more proof? Look at the Cleveland Cavaliers record from 2006-2010 (w/ James) and then one season after he leaves. There is absolutely no question who the MVP of this leagues is, no matter who a bunch of idiot sportswriters give it to.
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I was kidding about JR. I hate the sox, so in turn I hate him.
the Cubs and Sox both get their fair share of stars, and so do the Bears. It's just basketball players I guess.
also, Baseball and football have different types of stars, if you get what I mean by that.
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The MVP isn't awarded based on who the best player in the league is, otherwise Jordan would have won every year.
Oh snap I just destroyed your entire argument in one sentence 
The fact that you think you know more than a bunch of NBA experts is kind of arrogant, too. Nobody is going to give Lebron the MVP now, not when he betrayed his home city to team up with two other all stars. It's ridiculous. Heat don't even need Lebron to get to the ECF.
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The MVP isn't awarded based on who the best player in the league is, otherwise Jordan would have won every year.
No, it's based on who the most valuable is.
By any definition of the word "valuable" it is Lebron.
There isn't even another player playing close to his level. He means more to the league and to his team than any other player, and any other team would give up franchise players to lock him up for the rest of his prime.
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Valuable is so subjective, many people think Dwight should have won it last year. Don't act like it's so cut and dry.
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Take Rose from the bulls, they *might* be a .500 team.
Take Lebron from the Heat, they'll still go deep into the playoffs and probably be the east champions.
edit: that's how I gauge value.
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Valuable is so subjective, many people think Dwight should have won it last year. Don't act like it's so cut and dry.
Orlando would trade Dwight and gut their team for Lebron. If the Heat picked up the phone and said, "Hey, Lebron's interested in moving" the Orlando management wouldn't think twice about swapping. That scenario works for any player in the league vs. Lebron. Any team would trade their franchise players + more to get him. He is the literal most valuable player.
Not only that, he's playing head and shoulders above anyone else, and has been for nearly five years. Not only that. Lebron + any team right now, including the Washington Wizards = instant spot in the playoffs. No other player is at that level.
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Take Rose from the bulls, they *might* be a .500 team.
Take Lebron from the Heat, they'll still go deep into the playoffs and probably be the east champions.
Doubtful. The converse, take him off the Cavaliers and they are the worst team in the league. Put him on the Wizards and they become a playoff contender. You put Rose on the Wizards, and they still finish at the bottom of the East.
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Do have amnesia about his 4th quarter troubles?
Or his failure to do anything in the Finals last year?
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Do have amnesia about his 4th quarter troubles?
Or his failure to do anything in the Finals last year?
Do you have amnesia about the fact that he carried a franchise on his back for 6 years, carrying them to the playoffs and the finals twice, and that the franchise got the 1st pick the next year in the lottery once he left?
Seriously, put Lebron on the roster of any team in the NBA, and they are automatically in the playoffs (if he's healthy).
There's no other player that will carry a franchise like that.
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Valuable is so subjective, many people think Dwight should have won it last year. Don't act like it's so cut and dry.
Orlando would trade Dwight and gut their team for Lebron. If the Heat picked up the phone and said, "Hey, Lebron's interested in moving" the Orlando management wouldn't think twice about swapping. That scenario works for any player in the league vs. Lebron. Any team would trade their franchise players + more to get him. He is the literal most valuable player.
Not only that, he's playing head and shoulders above anyone else, and has been for nearly five years. Not only that. Lebron + any team right now, including the Washington Wizards = instant spot in the playoffs. No other player is at that level.
God damn, you really love Lebron James.
You never get equal value when trading away stars. Dwight for Lebron is a ridiculous trade scenario, nobody would ever offer that much. Of COURSE the magic would take a Dwight for Lebron swap, it's way more tha they realistically could get in any actual trade scenario.
I'll tell you who wouldn't trade their star for Lebron: The Chicago Bulls. The Oklahoma City Thunder. The Clippers wouldn't trade CP3.
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Do have amnesia about his 4th quarter troubles?
Or his failure to do anything in the Finals last year?
Do you have amnesia about the fact that he carried a franchise on his back for 6 years, carrying them to the playoffs and the finals twice, and that the franchise got the 1st pick the next year in the lottery once he left?
Seriously, put Lebron on the roster of any team in the NBA, and they are automatically in the playoffs (if he's healthy).
There's no other player that will carry a franchise like that.
1 finals appearance, which he lost.
his next one, with a different team and two other superstars, he also lost.
I'm willing to bet Rose will win his first ring before Lebron, lol.
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God damn, you really love Lebron James.
You never get equal value when trading away stars. Dwight for Lebron is a ridiculous trade scenario, nobody would ever offer that much. Of COURSE the magic would take a Dwight for Lebron swap, it's way more tha they realistically could get in any actual trade scenario.
I'll tell you who wouldn't trade their star for Lebron: The Chicago Bulls. The Oklahoma City Thunder. The Clippers wouldn't trade CP3.
In a trade scenario, who flinches first? Suppose a Durant for Lebron scenario is on the table. Does Miami even think about? I bet Oklahoma considers it. They might not do it, but they certainly think about it. Same for the Bulls. Miami doesn't even think about taking on Rose for Lebron, but I guarantee the front office of the Bulls sits down and talk it over.
Suppose the NBA worked like MLB, and there weren't a "max deal" so Lebron could get some absurd deal like Albert Pujols got (200M+ deal), how much does Lebron actually get paid? What's his real monetary value on a true free market? I bet he gets 300M+ over 10 years, maybe more.
And honestly, it's not that I'm really a fan, it's just that statistically, the only two players in my lifetime I've seen that are definitively and provably able to be heralded as the best basketball player in the world are Jordan and Lebron. I say that and I'm not Jordan fan either.
Is it shocking that Lebron doesn't have at least one NBA championship when he should probably have two? Yes, that's really amazing. Does that mean he isn't a beast who is far and away better than everyone else? Nope.
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I agree with you that Lebron is really talented, but damn dude, you are totally wrong about Chicago or Oklahoma even entertaining for one minute the possibility of trading away Rose or Durant. Not happening, ever. There's very few franchise guys in the NBA who truly are untradeable, but Rose and Durant are two such examples.
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I agree with you that Lebron is really talented, but damn dude, you are totally wrong about Chicago or Oklahoma even entertaining for one minute the possibility of trading away Rose or Durant. Not happening, ever. There's very few franchise guys in the NBA who truly are untradeable, but Rose and Durant are two such examples.
Everybody is tradeable if Lebron is on the table, signing a long term deal. Everyone.
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No way, think about it. Lebron is older than those two, isn't the home town hero, and is almost a lateral move in terms of talent. Yeah Lebron is better than Durant or Rose, but not SO MUCH BETTER that it would be worth it to upset the entire apple cart over.
Bulls and Thunder are arguably the two best teams in the NBA, they have great chemistry and great fan support, you're telling me Oklahoma and Chicago would say "F*** the whole thing, the great record and team chemistry, we need Lebron James really badly" tomorrow if given the chance?
They're much more likely to say "F*** Lebron, we can do it without him"
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No way, think about it. Lebron is older than those two, isn't the home town hero, and is almost a lateral move in terms of talent. Yeah Lebron is better than Durant or Rose, but not SO MUCH BETTER that it would be worth it to upset the entire apple cart over.
Bulls and Thunder are arguably the two best teams in the NBA, their have great chemistry and great fan support, you're telling me Oklahoma and Chicago would say "F*** the whole thing, the great record and team chemistry, we need Lebron James really badly" tomorrow if give the chance?
The only caveat to the "everyone is on the table" clause above is that Oklahoma and Chicago believe they can win a championship with what they've got, and that it's unreasonable to rebuild a championship caliber team. However, speaking in purely hypothetical terms, Chicago would absolutely dump Rose if they could magically be given the flexibility to build a team around Lebron, same for OKC. Clippers know they aren't a contender this year, and would gladly build a future team with Chauncey + Blake + Lebron, waving goodbye to Paul as he left.
The facts remain, Durant is an amazing offensive player, but hardly plays defense, and doubtful will ever be a great defender. We've talked about Rose's shortcomings here before in terms of lack of efficiency, and struggling with being both the primary offensive threat and primary ball handler/facilitator.
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I'm struggling to understand this perfect scenario vacuum you've created for yourself, this bizarro world, where Chicago and Oklahoma would trade Durant/Rose for Lebron.
In the real world, it would never happen, and reality is the only thing I concern myself with when it comes to sports any way.
Lebron had his chance to come to Chicago and I'd say that bridge was pretty much burned. Bulls fans would riot if the FO traded Rose for Lebron, nobody gives a s*** how much better his stats are, they love Rose. Same for the Thunder and Durant. The FO drafted these guys and raised them and they're two of the top 5 players in the NBA, they ain't going no where under any circumstances any time soon.
I'll give you Paul for Lebron, that would be a steal for the Clippers.
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I'm struggling to understand this perfect scenario vacuum you've created for yourself, this bizarro world, where Chicago and Oklahoma would trade Durant/Rose for Lebron.
In the real world, it would never happen, and reality is the only thing I concern myself with when it comes to sports any way.
Lebron had his chance to come to Chicago and I'd say that bridge was pretty much burned. Bulls fans would riot if the FO traded Rose for Lebron, nobody gives a s*** how much better his stats are, they love Rose. Same for the Thunder and Durant. The FO drafted these guys and raised them and they're two of the top 5 players in the NBA, they ain't going no where under any circumstances any time soon.
In the real world it's impossible because the Heat would never ever trade James, and also because given the contracts, clauses, and salary cap restrictions any of these deals could never happen. The hypothetical is more of, "who really considers it more" when faced with a trade. If Chicago would consider the deal more seriously than Miami, then that says something.
Anyway, I'm bored with this... let's talk about something else, like how are people not realizing that Carmelo Anthony might actually not be a good player?
Here's a guy, four time all star who left a team, the Nuggets, to join another team, the Knicks. The Nuggets surged after he left, and are off to 14-6 start this year. Meanwhile, the Knicks have gotten worse since he joined the team, and are 7-13, and look like they might not make the playoffs. Does that not speak volumes about a guy whose stats otherwise look good?
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Maybe he's a team cancer and a ball hog, but the Knicks' problem run much deeper than Melo. They're a terrible franchise, with a terrible FO and a terrible coach, and terrible depth and no chemistry.
George Karl does seem very happy to be well rid of Melo though, he's loving his new team, he probably finds them much more coachable.
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Maybe he's a team cancer and a ball hog, but the Knicks' problem run much deeper than Melo. They're a terrible franchise, with a terrible FO and a terrible coach, and terrible depth and no chemistry.
George Karl does seem very happy to be well rid of Melo though, he's loving his new team, he probably finds them much more coachable.
Yeah, but there's just very few instances where an all star and supposed "franchise player" leaves one team for another, and the team he leaves plays better, while the team he joins plays worse. I mean, one side of it has happened before, leading to Bill Simmon's "Ewing Theory."
1. A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).
2. That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) -- and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.
But I've never seen the 3rd part of it, which is that the new team the star players goes to actually gets worse.
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I'm not that surprised by it actually. The Nugs were deep before the Melo trade...but the Knicks gave up so much, the Nugs became RIDICULOUSLY deep at every position. And George Karl is a really good coach, much better than D'antoni.
It doesn't help that the Knicks GM blows his team up chasing the next big trade every 6 months, giving his team zero time for chemistry to form. In hindsight the Melo trade was a really bad trade. Giving Amare that huge contract was a bad idea too. Everything the Knicks do is wrong, thats why they're the sorry ass Knicks.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJlp-nJSbr0
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Maybe he's a team cancer and a ball hog, but the Knicks' problem run much deeper than Melo. They're a terrible franchise, with a terrible FO and a terrible coach, and terrible depth and no chemistry.
George Karl does seem very happy to be well rid of Melo though, he's loving his new team, he probably finds them much more coachable.
Yeah, but there's just very few instances where an all star and supposed "franchise player" leaves one team for another, and the team he leaves plays better, while the team he joins plays worse. I mean, one side of it has happened before, leading to Bill Simmon's "Ewing Theory."
1. A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).
2. That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) -- and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.
But I've never seen the 3rd part of it, which is that the new team the star players goes to actually gets worse.
Maybe it doesn't happen in basketball, but I saw it happen to the Orioles when they paid a huge sum to get Albert Bell.
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Maybe he's a team cancer and a ball hog, but the Knicks' problem run much deeper than Melo. They're a terrible franchise, with a terrible FO and a terrible coach, and terrible depth and no chemistry.
George Karl does seem very happy to be well rid of Melo though, he's loving his new team, he probably finds them much more coachable.
Yeah, but there's just very few instances where an all star and supposed "franchise player" leaves one team for another, and the team he leaves plays better, while the team he joins plays worse. I mean, one side of it has happened before, leading to Bill Simmon's "Ewing Theory."
1. A star athlete receives an inordinate amount of media attention and fan interest, and yet his teams never win anything substantial with him (other than maybe some early-round playoff series).
2. That same athlete leaves his team (either by injury, trade, graduation, free agency or retirement) -- and both the media and fans immediately write off the team for the following season.
But I've never seen the 3rd part of it, which is that the new team the star players goes to actually gets worse.
Maybe it doesn't happen in basketball, but I saw it happen to the Orioles when they paid a huge sum to get Albert Bell.
It happens to the Cubs too. Nearly every player they get!
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The MVP isn't awarded based on who the best player in the league is.
How valuable was Rose when Lebron made him virtually invisible during the ECF?
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averaging 29 ppg is making a player invisible?
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The MVP isn't awarded based on who the best player in the league is.
How valuable was Rose when Lebron made him virtually invisible during the ECF?
The MVP is a regular season award
Derrick Rose owned Lebron during the regular season, whupped the Heat's ass 3 straight times and took the Bulls to the #1 seed
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averaging 29 ppg is making a player invisible?
Derrick Rose performance
Game 1: 28 points
Game 2: 21
Game 3: 20
Game 4: 23
Game 5: 25
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Avg: 29 points!! DA BULLS!
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meh, my bad. I googled it and took it for truth.
Still, I don't know how you can make the argument that D rose wasn't the MVP because of his performance in the ECF, when lebron was worse in the finals.
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Why are we even talking about this, this was last year. It's in the past.
Lebron isn't going to win MVP this year either, he can't even take his team to the best record in the East. He's allegedly the best ball player in the world on a team with the second best ball player in the world plus an all star and he can't even get the best record.
MVP is going to Durant.
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Even if Durant deserves it, I think it'll go to a player in a bigger market.
just my opinion.
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meh, my bad. I googled it and took it for truth.
Still, I don't know how you can make the argument that D rose wasn't the MVP because of his performance in the ECF, when lebron was worse in the finals.
My argument was his performance specifically against lebron. Anyone who watched that series knows the stark difference in Rose's game after Lebron was matched up with him 1 on 1 in man defense.
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Again, MVP is a regular season award...it has nothing to do with the post season.
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Durant isn't doing enough this year compared to Lebron, the only reason I won't go to Durant is because people are dumb. His numbers this year are insane and his team is a fav to win it all.
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The MVP award is so much about storyline and not much about stats. Durant will get it because it's his "turn" to get it. Lebron is already a MVP winner and he knows he kissed his chances at another MVP award goodbye as soon as he agreed to join forces with Bosh/Wade in south beach.
If the Clippers suddenly start winning a lot, CP3 might have a chance at it. But it's Durants to lose right now.
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yea, the MVP is pretty much a farce.
The NBA is so individually driven, that the best player is almost always truly the MVP.
No one with half a brain would say Lebron isn't the best player in the NBA.
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Best regular season player, surely. I don't think MVP is a farce, it's just not awarded based on who the best player is and it never was awarded based on that. It's awarded based on who the best player is on the best regular season team. That was D.Rose last year. I mean, Steve Nash won it a couple times, he was never the best player in the league. Nobody is crying about how Steve Nash is the weakest MVP winner ever.
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The MVP award is so much about storyline and not much about stats. Durant will get it because it's his "turn" to get it. Lebron is already a MVP winner and he knows he kissed his chances at another MVP award goodbye as soon as he agreed to join forces with Bosh/Wade in south beach.
If the Clippers suddenly start winning a lot, CP3 might have a chance at it. But it's Durants to lose right now.
I'm really not a fan Chris Paul as he's injured so much and honestly he's not THAT good. I'd take other point guards before Paul let alone players. It will probably go to Durant because it's his turn but he doesn't deserve it. He deserved it more last year then this (stats down as he has players doing more). Just like Rose doesn't deserve it this year either.
Right now it's Lebron or even Kobe (if they could win any games)
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In 2008 Chris Paul deserved the MVP. When he's healthy, Paul is arguably the best PG in the game, at least statistically. When healthy he has a case for being better than even Lebron imo.
But yeah, it's not 2008 anymore. Paul is still awesome but he's not 2008 Paul any more.
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Best regular season player, surely. I don't think MVP is a farce, it's just not awarded based on who the best player is and it never was awarded based on that. It's awarded based on who the best player is on the best regular season team. That was D.Rose last year. I mean, Steve Nash won it a couple times, he was never the best player in the league. Nobody is crying about how Steve Nash is the weakest MVP winner ever.
Steve Nash brought Assists back in to the spotlight and was the best player on arguably the best regular season team. You can argue that without Nash's MVP wins are a major reason why Rose won it last year. If the Lakers weren't so terrible during those years Nash wouldn't have won at all.
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It is a farce.
Like you said, Lebron was essentially disqualified as the MVP because he is on a great team. The reality, he was the driving force that turned a 48 win team into a 72 win team.
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MVP doesn't even matter, who cares. Finals MVP is much more important.
Lebron already won the MVP, he really doesn't care. He just wants a ring now.
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