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asshole gm is running us short staffed at work.
We are supposed to have 4 opening cooks, well that was cut to three cooks, now the issue is when you have call-offs.
This morning me and one other cook opened the store, then get slammed with $2500 lunch. My shift ended at noon but I stayed till 2, at 4:30 pm there is a 50 person reservation coming in and one cook on duty. I was asked to stay later and I said no, because I have other stuff to do.
I know exactly whats going to happen.
Now the real reason why I left back on the 4th of July and then again on Thanksgiving eve I worked double shifts(because of call-offs) only to get screwed out of overtime because my hours where cut the following week.
fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, sorry but I wont get fooled again.
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why not just crash the kitchen, one bad service and you will be fully staffed from then on
crash the kitchen is a term i learned on the food network
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why not just crash the kitchen, one bad service and you will be fully staffed from then on
crash the kitchen is a term i learned on the food network
The more you know.
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Does burger king take reservations?
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How many people can be seated and how big is the menu?
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How many people can be seated and how big is the menu?
4 pages front and back except for front cover 90 items roughly.
130ish dining room
25 or so in the bar area.
and its common to have 30 min waits on weekends around dinner time, especially right after a payday.
people get ghetto rich for a few days.
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How long have you been short-staffed for? Is your GM making any effort to find you some help?
I'm glad I don't run things that way.
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Then quit. Knowbody owes you a living.
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How long have you been short-staffed for? Is your GM making any effort to find you some help?
I'm glad I don't run things that way.
corporate hiring freeze was in effect due to a 20% increase in prices from the food distributor but its been lifted and replaced with new menus with price increases.
the real reason I think is all the salaried managers get a monthly bonus if they can keep their monthly labor costs under 20%.
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Then quit. Knowbody owes you a living.
I like what I do I just hate the douche bag I work for.
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something is going to have to give. they will lose customers if they feel slighted. and being short staffed will definitely make ppl feel slighted.
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I thought one of the first things you learn in a kitchen (at least, I did) was that when you get GMs like that who have no business sense, you just tell them they have no business sense and walk out. Unless you're in BFE and its the only kitchen in town....go work somewhere else? If you are as good as you say you are that shouldn't be a problem.
and a 4 page menu sounds like a recipe for huge problems right from the get go. If you can't get awesome food cost prices on ALL the crap you need for that much stuff, you won't have any flex funds left over to fill up all your iffy shifts (tuesdays, etc)
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I thought one of the first things you learn in a kitchen (at least, I did) was that when you get GMs like that who have no business sense, you just tell them they have no business sense and walk out. Unless you're in BFE and its the only kitchen in town....go work somewhere else? If you are as good as you say you are that shouldn't be a problem.
and a 4 page menu sounds like a recipe for huge problems right from the get go. If you can't get awesome food cost prices on ALL the crap you need for that much stuff, you won't have any flex funds left over to fill up all your iffy shifts (tuesdays, etc)
he actually does live in BFE. its the middle of nowhere oklahoma.
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Unless you're in BFE and its the only kitchen in town....go work somewhere else? If you are as good as you say you are that shouldn't be a problem.
my issue I live in bfe and it pays $13.50 a hour and a free meal. It also has a flexible schedule that fits around my class schedule.
plus I enjoy bbq'ing and smoking meat thats fun for me
I just hate the douche bag gm.
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A tiny town in OK doesn't seem to be a great place to have a 90 item menu does it? Especially when delivery costs get crazy the farther you are away from civilization. Ive worked a lot of Oil and Gas contracts in tiny remote areas in OK, KS, TX, etc and yes, those little towns with 2/3 places to eat can fill up really quick. The places that stay afloat are staffed to handle the crowd (which is very predictably sized in those little towns....easy to plan/prepare for) by keeping all the other costs down, SPECIFICALLY the menu size.
It comes down to the town either being big enough to have more than one place to eat, whereas he can find work elsewhere, or the town really is so small that there is only one place to eat, whereas the GM wouldn't be able to ignore someone like the OP with his talents? In which case he needs to suggest how to improve the operation of the place.
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Unless you're in BFE and its the only kitchen in town....go work somewhere else? If you are as good as you say you are that shouldn't be a problem.
my issue I live in bfe and it pays $13.50 a hour and a free meal. It also has a flexible schedule that fits around my class schedule.
I just hate the douche bag gm.
Well it sounds like he is doing a lot to accommodate you already. There are small facets of the restaurant industry that includes weird shifts and hours sometimes. I find it really easy to understand that things like this will come up in a small town? Random double shifts due to call outs are a fact of life, especially so in a small town atmosphere where there just isn't a big list of employees to call on. Life happens, it can't be perfectly plotted out on a schedule every week. Get over it.
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A tiny town in OK doesn't seem to be a great place to have a 90 item menu does it? Especially when delivery costs get crazy the farther you are away from civilization. Ive worked a lot of Oil and Gas contracts in tiny remote areas in OK, KS, TX, etc and yes, those little towns with 2/3 places to eat can fill up really quick. The places that stay afloat are staffed to handle the crowd (which is very predictably sized in those little towns....easy to plan/prepare for) by keeping all the other costs down, SPECIFICALLY the menu size.
It comes down to the town either being big enough to have more than one place to eat, whereas he can find work elsewhere, or the town really is so small that there is only one place to eat, whereas the GM wouldn't be able to ignore someone like the OP with his talents? In which case he needs to suggest how to improve the operation of the place.
we are the largest town for 90 miles in any direction, plus we are the only bbq joint on the main thoroughfare from Dallas to Tulsa/I-40. Its the halfway point between Kansas City and Dallas. this town is basically a rest stop town, we have 33 hotels and motels here for a town of 22-25k people.
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Well it sounds like he is doing a lot to accommodate you already. There are small facets of the restaurant industry that includes weird shifts and hours sometimes. I find it really easy to understand that things like this will come up in a small town? Random double shifts due to call outs are a fact of life, especially so in a small town atmosphere where there just isn't a big list of employees to call on. Life happens, it can't be perfectly plotted out on a schedule every week. Get over it.
accommodate me really I have a 8-4 availability monday-friday and open on the weekends.
and no I wont pick up extra hours, just so you can cut my hours the following week so I loose the overtime. last monday started a new pay period.
I am on a 2 week 80hr pay schedule, so the only way I can get overtime is to work more than 80 hrs in a 2 week period.
Thats a "free-will or right to work state" for yah.
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QQ worst poster ever.
He's always been a huge whiner.
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It's friggen endless, no wonder he is always whining for a nanny state. He needs to be told what to do because he thinks his life won't suck then. 
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Aerlinthian posted:
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QQ worst poster ever.
He's always been a huge whiner.
Whaaa! My marriage!
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Whaaa! My job!
It's friggen endless, no wonder he is always whining for a nanny state. He needs to be told what to do because he thinks his life won't suck then.
While I agree with your annoyance, I disagree with your retarded politics and hyper zionism.
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lol "hyper Zionist"
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Well it sounds like he is doing a lot to accommodate you already. There are small facets of the restaurant industry that includes weird shifts and hours sometimes. I find it really easy to understand that things like this will come up in a small town? Random double shifts due to call outs are a fact of life, especially so in a small town atmosphere where there just isn't a big list of employees to call on. Life happens, it can't be perfectly plotted out on a schedule every week. Get over it.
accommodate me really I have a 8-4 availability monday-friday and open on the weekends.
and no I wont pick up extra hours, just so you can cut my hours the following week so I loose the overtime. last monday started a new pay period.
I am on a 2 week 80hr pay schedule, so the only way I can get overtime is to work more than 80 hrs in a 2 week period.
Thats a "free-will or right to work state" for yah.
You aren't entitled to overtime just because you 'pick up a shift'. You are just getting your hours in a manner different from your schedule. It happens. Its not perfect but you should be happy that you even make 13.50/hr doing something you love in "BFE", which for 22k population, isn't really.
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Well it sounds like he is doing a lot to accommodate you already. There are small facets of the restaurant industry that includes weird shifts and hours sometimes. I find it really easy to understand that things like this will come up in a small town? Random double shifts due to call outs are a fact of life, especially so in a small town atmosphere where there just isn't a big list of employees to call on. Life happens, it can't be perfectly plotted out on a schedule every week. Get over it.
accommodate me really I have a 8-4 availability monday-friday and open on the weekends.
and no I wont pick up extra hours, just so you can cut my hours the following week so I loose the overtime. last monday started a new pay period.
I am on a 2 week 80hr pay schedule, so the only way I can get overtime is to work more than 80 hrs in a 2 week period.
Thats a "free-will or right to work state" for yah.
You aren't entitled to overtime just because you 'pick up a shift'. You are just getting your hours in a manner different from your schedule. It happens. Its not perfect but you should be happy that you even make 13.50/hr doing something you love in "BFE", which for 22k population, isn't really.
you are missing my point, I have 40hrs in this week and by staying late I should get overtime for this week but not in this state, what will happen is the following week because its in the same pay period, I would see my hours cut to stay under 80 hrs for the 2 weeks.
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You would do well in a union.
You're lazy, constantly complain, and think the world owes you something.
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You need to work your way into the management sector of the restaurant biz for a while, if you already haven't, to see first hand how fast overtime pay MELTS your profits. Try being the manager the makes the same each week whether he works 20 or 60 hours that week, and ends up having to work 60 hours a week to keep the costs down? Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the 'GM' is working your shifts for FREE to keep from having to pay you $20/hr to watch BBQ smoke.
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I don't care how often you get paid, unless you are salaried and make at least $455 a week you got time and a half for anything over 40 hours in one week. If they are not complying they are subject to be sued somewhere down the line.
http://www.ehow.com/list_6790858_overtime-laws-oklahoma.html
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You need to work your way into the management sector of the restaurant biz for a while, if you already haven't, to see first hand how fast overtime pay MELTS your profits. Try being the manager the makes the same each week whether he works 20 or 60 hours that week, and ends up having to work 60 hours a week to keep the costs down? Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the 'GM' is working your shifts for FREE to keep from having to pay you $20/hr to watch BBQ smoke.
what I earn and a few other cooks is raises passed out by the district manager shortly after the store was opened. this gm was in training for the first 4-5 months.
if it was up to him, no body would be earning more than $10 per hour, however top rate for cooks is $20 per hour, and company average is $13.42 a hour.
The last few hires where starting at $8 per hour.
I know how much gm's make and I read the monthly newsletter which shows the rankings of all the stores and gives percentages and values, and my store is always in the top 5 in lowest labor cost.
this store ranks in the top 5-10 stores every month in about every category that means something.
I was management before in a different industry, I know all about performance bonuses and how they are earned.
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Top 5 in sales, bottom 5 in labor?
What that tells me is that corporate management loves your GM and he's going to be promoted soon.
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I don't care how often you get paid, unless you are salaried and make at least $455 a week you got time and a half for anything over 40 hours in one week. If they are not complying they are subject to be sued somewhere down the line.
http://www.ehow.com/list_6790858_overtime-laws-oklahoma.html
"In order to be considered "exempt," and therefore ineligible for overtime pay, employees must earn more than $455 per week,"
He makes more than 455...
edit maybe they are getting around the salaried stipulation somehow.
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I don't care how often you get paid, unless you are salaried and make at least $455 a week you got time and a half for anything over 40 hours in one week. If they are not complying they are subject to be sued somewhere down the line.
http://www.ehow.com/list_6790858_overtime-laws-oklahoma.html
"In order to be considered "exempt," and therefore ineligible for overtime pay, employees must earn more than $455 per week,"
He makes more than 455...
He also has to be salaried and not hourly. I don't know if he is or not.
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As of August 23, 2004, all employees who earn less than $455 per week, or $23,660 per year, have a right to overtime wages. In order to be considered "exempt," and therefore ineligible for overtime pay, employees must earn more than $455 per week, or $23,660 per year, and be paid a set salary rather than receiving hourly compensation. On top of this, they must be classified as an "executive," a "learned professional," a "creative professional," an "outside sales employee" or a "computer employee."
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Well it sounds like he is doing a lot to accommodate you already. There are small facets of the restaurant industry that includes weird shifts and hours sometimes. I find it really easy to understand that things like this will come up in a small town? Random double shifts due to call outs are a fact of life, especially so in a small town atmosphere where there just isn't a big list of employees to call on. Life happens, it can't be perfectly plotted out on a schedule every week. Get over it.
accommodate me really I have a 8-4 availability monday-friday and open on the weekends.
and no I wont pick up extra hours, just so you can cut my hours the following week so I loose the overtime. last monday started a new pay period.
I am on a 2 week 80hr pay schedule, so the only way I can get overtime is to work more than 80 hrs in a 2 week period.
Thats a "free-will or right to work state" for yah.
You aren't entitled to overtime just because you 'pick up a shift'. You are just getting your hours in a manner different from your schedule. It happens. Its not perfect but you should be happy that you even make 13.50/hr doing something you love in "BFE", which for 22k population, isn't really.
Overtime should be anything over a standard work week. Anything over 50 hours should definately be overtime.
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QQ worst poster ever.
I have always been a huge whiner.
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It's friggen endless, no wonder I am always whining for a psych ward. I suck up the retarded political rhetoric because I thinks my life won't suck then.
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Now the real reason why I left back on the 4th of July and then again on Thanksgiving eve I worked double shifts(because of call-offs) only to get screwed out of overtime because my hours where cut the following week.
If you work over 40 one week and under 40 the next week; they still owe you overtime for the first week
Example: 50 hrs 1st week; 25 hrs 2nd week; 75 hrs for two weeks but 15 of those hours are overtime. The question though is if your indurstry is exempt from overtime. I know servers are but pretty sure kitchen staff is not exempt. Check with your state labor board
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I don't care how often you get paid, unless you are salaried and make at least $455 a week you got time and a half for anything over 40 hours in one week. If they are not complying they are subject to be sued somewhere down the line.
http://www.ehow.com/list_6790858_overtime-laws-oklahoma.html
"In order to be considered "exempt," and therefore ineligible for overtime pay, employees must earn more than $455 per week,"
He makes more than 455...
He also has to be salaried and not hourly. I don't know if he is or not.
good point but also, if you make so much/hours work and if that falls behind min. wage then they are generally required to pay the difference
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I also oppose free will
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to catch that.
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I'm pretty sure he meant right to work but I wasn't going to question that because he loves to argue.
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While he may indeed be a D-bag, he might not be. If you talk to him rationally and respectfully about how you are short on cooking staff and it is having an impact on service, he might concur and hire more cooks. Perhaps work out a system where you could have "cooker AIDS", hire some younger, lower paid helpers to lighten the workload for the cooking staff. You don't need chefs for everything.
As to the overtime pay, yeah that sounds kinda bad but you are also already getting a pretty high wage for food service.
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* one other cook and I.
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Hey guess what Sith! Your employer's actions are illegal. doesn't have any specific overtime laws on its books, but the federal governmment sure does and Oklahoma can't just toss that aside. Federal overtime laws state that any hourly worker who does more than 40 hours in one work week must be paid time and a half. There are exemptions but having gone over them I don't think your position is exempt. Seriously I would contact your state labor board, and start tracking your weekly hours worked if you don't already. Does it get broken down on your pay stubs?
http://www.minimum-wage.org/overtime/oklahoma
http://www.overtimelaws.org/state/Oklahoma/
http://www.humanresourceblog.com/2007/11/05/oklahoma-overtime-and-salary/
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Hey guess what Sith! Your employer's actions are illegal.
Possibly, but there are a number of ways to get around this. For example, his place probably starts a "week" on a different day than the rest of the planet, so fewer hours in the next *calendar* week cause his *work* week to be under 40.
A union wouldn't fix this particular issue, but it might help with OP's original gripe about being short staffed. If the union limited unplanned shift extensions, then the GM would eventually be forced to hire another cook, even if staffing levels weren't listed explicitly in the contract.
The main benefit from a union is not wages. Wages are still set by the market, and I know of several union shops where low-skill workers in rural areas are making precisely minimum wage to start. The main benefit in unions is t0 get some r-e-s-p-e-c-t in contracts, such as "employees cannot be forced to stay more than two hours beyond their scheduled stop time, regardless of circumstances." (And yes, I have gotten statements such as that one in my employee package in non-union shops, so it's not strictly necessary, but there is definitely a difference in how much an employer "owns" the employee.)
All too often, management has personal financial incentive to short staff (bonuses, promotions) and they just blame any shortfalls in production on the "lazy" workers.
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Hire at will goes both ways, quit.
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Hey guess what Sith! Your employer's actions are illegal.
Possibly, but there are a number of ways to get around this. For example, his place probably starts a "week" on a different day than the rest of the planet, so fewer hours in the next *calendar* week cause his *work* week to be under 40.
I highly doubt there is a way around it. and if they are doing something like this then it just adds to the trouble they can get into. A work week is 7 days a week no matter what day of the week it falls under. changing the work week to avoid overtime is intentiaonal and is no longer a boo boo.
if you are missing overtime for just one week. consider it a lose imo unless you have another job lined up. if you are missing say 50 or 100 hours off overtime missing, it is def. time to contact the labor board or contact the labor board and a lawyer
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Hire at will goes both ways, quit.
No kidding. Better yet, start your own BBQ joint down the street and hire the workers you like. You won't be part of a bigger corporation having to collect their cut. Sure, there would be at least 1 person who will think you are a dick, but oh well.
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Then quit. Knowbody owes you a living.
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So, if you work an extra shift this week you get an extra day off next week.
And, the problem is..........?
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Is there anything you DON'T complain about?
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at least he's not an illegal. then he would make even less money, be treated more unfairly, and we would have to read posts in spanish.
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wtf is a free will state?
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Then quit. Knowbody owes you a living.
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So you confirm that a lack of a union leads to high turnover and therefore a less trained, less experienced, and less efficient shop.
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So you confirm that a lack of a union leads to high turnover and therefore a less trained, less experienced, and less efficient shop.
A less efficient shop does what to the owners bottom line? [/rhetorical_question]
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Greed and Bottom lines ultimately make Unions necessary. The Unions are in decline probably will be for a while then people will wake up and realize they been fed a bunch of BS and start reforming them some day.
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i saw unions kill 2 companies in Pueblo CO because of making too many demands while ignoring the companies financial problems
the union bosses probably kept their jobs so it was no biggie to them...
like a lot of things the union/owner power distribution works like a pendulum which of course spends most of its time either left or right and seldom centered
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Your union isn't going to be able to do a damn thing about some guy on the other side of the planet working for fraction of your wage.
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Is there anything you DON'T complain about?
Only nookie. But when he does get that he will complain about it too.
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Your union isn't going to be able to do a damn thing about some guy on the other side of the planet working for fraction of your wage.
LOL, Aerlinthian thinks Sith's cooking job is going to be outsourced.
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Your union isn't going to be able to do a damn thing about some guy on the other side of the planet working for fraction of your wage.
Not the union, but we've been lied into believing that protectionism isn't even an option. There's *something* we can and should do about this.
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Not the union, but we've been lied into believing that protectionism isn't even an option. There's *something* we can and should do about this.
You already know (or should remember) my position on this which I have outlined numerous times before. So without rehashing all that, I suggest to anyone who has an iota of a brain to dig themselves up out of the labor pool and go to where the going is good. Things aren't going to be getting any better in this country for a long time to come for labor unless there is an dramatic upheaval/paradigm shift.
And unfortunately too many dummies think the answer is ever increasing minimum wage or unions or some other internal populist drivel. 
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Not the union, but we've been lied into believing that protectionism isn't even an option. There's *something* we can and should do about this.
You already know (or should remember) my position on this which I have outlined numerous times before. So without rehashing all that, I suggest to anyone who has an iota of a brain to dig themselves up out of the labor pool and go to where the going is good. Things aren't going to be getting any better in this country for a long time to come for labor unless there is an dramatic upheaval/paradigm shift.
And unfortunately too many dummies think the answer is ever increasing minimum wage or unions or some other internal populist drivel.
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Aerlinthian posted:
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Not the union, but we've been lied into believing that protectionism isn't even an option. There's *something* we can and should do about this.
You already know (or should remember) my position on this <rhetoric snipped>
You write that as if anyone takes you seriously.
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I don't think you understand what a union does. Being in a union would not help you with your issue.
If a company wants to trim down their staff, they have every right to do so. The only thing a union would do, is make sure that the senior guy stays, and the junior guy goes. This of course, assumes that it is written that way in the CBA, which I believe most are, but there could be special circumstances, ie: A tradesman.
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Well, that's pretty decent money.
I wouldn't take any extra shifts either unless you'll get hours cut for not volunteering often enough(another fabulous right-to-work trend), just show up, stay calm, and do the work. The speed of service and business plan is their problem. If they want to shortstaff the kitchen, they'll see what happens when enough people call off.
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You're an unskilled laborer making a good wage with sufficient hours. You have 5 guys behind you who would gladly do your job without complaining. Maybe I need buy a new Scrabble set, but I seem to be out of QQs...
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Aerlinthian posted:
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Not the union, but we've been lied into believing that protectionism isn't even an option. There's *something* we can and should do about this.
You already know (or should remember) my position on this which I have outlined numerous times before. So without rehashing all that, I suggest to anyone who has an iota of a brain to dig themselves up out of the labor pool and go to where the going is good. Things aren't going to be getting any better in this country for a long time to come for labor unless there is an dramatic upheaval/paradigm shift.
And unfortunately too many dummies think the answer is ever increasing minimum wage or unions or some other internal populist drivel.
I don't know you well enough to know your position of protectionism, and I *do* know you well enough to know that you sometimes take surprising and unpredictable positions. So I'm afraid that you're going to need to reiterate your position if you want it to be part of this conversation.
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Arc_DT posted:
So I'm afraid that you're going to need to reiterate your position if you want it to be part of this conversation.
You'll remember the conversations we have had before. I spoke several times about my thoughts for developing a largely non political, points based, auto triggering tariff system. I also mentioned that we need a massive overhaul of domestic job killing regulations. Basically we have the following two tiers of trade reversed.
We suffer hyper regulation (corporatism) on the domestic tier and free trade against predatory controlled economies on the international tier. That is by and large backwards to how it needs to be for us to correct our woes. "Free" international trade is a laudable goal but it is a fairy tale. The looming threat of a [largely] non political points based, auto triggering tariff system would provide a quiet & consistent pressure on international trade partners to avoid some of their more egregious assaults against us.
The problem with implementing any tariff system is that you have to do it in good times, not bad times when there is already high animosity and faltering systems. So unfortunately we have a catch 22.
We are just going to have to suffer our way out of this giant hole. Or for people who think in long terms and have the capacity, they will get out to greener pastures. I'm already working on my own game plan in this regard.
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Aerlinthian posted:
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So I'm afraid that you're going to need to reiterate your position if you want it to be part of this conversation.
I think so much of myself that it's painful for others. <rhetoric snipped.>
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Unless you're in BFE and its the only kitchen in town....go work somewhere else? If you are as good as you say you are that shouldn't be a problem.
my issue I live in bfe and it pays $13.50 a hour and a free meal. It also has a flexible schedule that fits around my class schedule.
plus I enjoy bbq'ing and smoking meat thats fun for me
I just hate the douche bag gm.
You hate him because he makes you work. Why don't you start your own BBQ joint and then you can be the douche bag GM and smoke meat.
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have you considered moving to a place that has better industry?
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You would do well in a union.
You're lazy, constantly complain, and think the world owes you something.
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ACF is slipping. This thread should be entirely about smoking meat by now.
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Aerlinthian posted:
I suggest to anyone who has an iota of a brain to dig themselves up out of the labor pool and go to where the going is good. Things aren't going to be getting any better in this country for a long time to come for labor unless there is an dramatic upheaval/paradigm shift.
Thats an excellent justification for illegal immigration. Free market labor FTW!
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ACF is slipping. This thread should be entirely about smoking meat by now.
The meat is definitely green, that's disgusting.
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Oh crap, we need a paradigm shift?!?? What does that mean? Attack of the elderly people?
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I just came in this thread to brag that I probably make 4x what Sith does, salaried, and I still get paid OT
Continue your arguing, peasants
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I just came in this thread to brag that I probably make 4x what Sith does, salaried, and I still get paid OT
Continue your arguing, peasants
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Oh crap, we need a paradigm shift?!?? What does that mean? Attack of the elderly people?
Isn't a paradigm shift where you beat up someone that is in a wheelchair and then bury them alive?
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_Gimpzilla_ posted:
Thats an excellent justification for illegal immigration. Free market labor FTW!
No it is not. There is no such thing as a region or a nation with limitless resources. And believe it or not, nations have identities and characters. Even a large nation can not indefinitely survive being a revolving doormat to people who have no vested interest in it.
Earth is not a nation, perhaps one day it will be, but to get there you can't kill nations along the way without tremendous long term civil strife.
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I always love union vs. non-union bashes on these boards.
Not only are they ill-informed, they are also grotesqlel overestimated.
In fact, I am willing to be that I will work harder, smarter and more dedicated that any, non-union person here on these boards, and I won't even have to try.
If you care to put money on it....let me know.
This is a personal challenge.
Edit: I also dispute, as my previous comments indicate, Sith's ' uneducated statements.
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Former_Camilla posted:
The only thing a union would do, is make sure that the senior guy stays, and the junior guy goes.
This is not necessarily a good thing, in my experience.
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I just came in this thread to brag that I probably make 4x what Sith does, salaried, and I still get paid OT
Continue your arguing, peasants
PS: non-union
yeah but can you smoke meat?
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Tipztoe posted:
Dark_EternalFF posted:
I just came in this thread to brag that I probably make 4x what Sith does, salaried, and I still get paid OT
Continue your arguing, peasants
PS: non-union
yeah but can you smoke meat?
Sure, given a big enough spliff
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