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Wonder how much that is worth.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7485346/settlement-reached-ben-roethlisberger-civil-lawsuit
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yeah!
Hell, he should be able to rape whoever the hell he wants!
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yeah!
Hell, he should be able to rape whoever the hell he wants!
He should be in jail.
These types of lawsuits are nothing but blood money and revenge.
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You have no idea if that's the case or not
you don't
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You have no idea if that's the case or not
you don't
Really?
Woman gets raped. Two things go through her mind. Justice and revenge.
She couldn't get justice because Ben is rich as hell and has good lawyers.
So she got revenge.
Not that it matters to him.
From the article she asked for 400k which is about what he makes in 2-3 games.
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see.. if he did it, then he should be in jail. if he didn't, then this shouldn't have even come up at all. rape is a criminal offense, and belongs in criminal court. it should not be handled in civil court.
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see.. if he did it, then he should be in jail. if he didn't, then this shouldn't have even come up at all. rape is a criminal offense, and belongs in criminal court. it should not be handled in civil court.
I do agree with this as well
if he did rape her, then he should be in jail.. no matter who he is
and if he is convicted in court of it, then I have no problem with the civil part of it after
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see.. if he did it, then he should be in jail. if he didn't, then this shouldn't have even come up at all. rape is a criminal offense, and belongs in criminal court. it should not be handled in civil court.
It ends up in both to address different charges and accusations. Civil court has a lower burden of proof. There was not enough evidence to convict him of committing a crime but there was enough to show damages...
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see.. if he did it, then he should be in jail. if he didn't, then this shouldn't have even come up at all. rape is a criminal offense, and belongs in criminal court. it should not be handled in civil court.
It ends up in both to address different charges and accusations. Civil court has a lower burden of proof. There was not enough evidence to convict him of committing a crime but there was enough to show damages...
He should have sued her.
He wasn't convicted of rape, meaning that in the eyes of the law he is innocent, but his public image is forever damaged.
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He's rich, white and a celebrity; even if he's was found guilty in a criminal court he'd get what? A few weeks probation? What's the point?
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rape is a victimless crime
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Chogram posted:
deadcactus posted:
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see.. if he did it, then he should be in jail. if he didn't, then this shouldn't have even come up at all. rape is a criminal offense, and belongs in criminal court. it should not be handled in civil court.
It ends up in both to address different charges and accusations. Civil court has a lower burden of proof. There was not enough evidence to convict him of committing a crime but there was enough to show damages...
He should have sued her.
He wasn't convicted of rape, meaning that in the eyes of the law he is innocent, but his public image is forever damaged.
It is a lot easier to prove someone liable for a crime than it is to convict them of it. That is how OJ got taken to the cleaners as well.
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[quote=tantallous]see.. if he did it, then he should be in jail. if he didn't, then this shouldn't have even come up at all. rape is a criminal offense, and belongs in criminal court. it should not be handled in civil court.
It ends up in both to address different charges and accusations. Civil court has a lower burden of proof. There was not enough evidence to convict him of committing a crime but there was enough to show damages...
He should have sued her.
He wasn't convicted of rape, meaning that in the eyes of the law he is innocent, but his public image is forever damaged.
It is a lot easier to prove someone liable for a crime than it is to convict them of it. That is how OJ got taken to the cleaners as well.
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He's rich, white and a celebrity; even if he's was found guilty in a criminal court he'd get what? A few weeks probation? What's the point?
Be honest, you don't really think his being rich or a celebrity is that relevant to his "getting off."
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He should have sued her.
He wasn't convicted of rape, meaning that in the eyes of the law he is innocent, but his public image is forever damaged.
No, in the eyes of the law his guilt has not been proven beyond a reasonable doubt. That is far different from being innocent. Our legal system is designed to prove guilt, not prove innocence.
If his public image was so damaged he could have taken it to court. He and his lawyer opted to settle. Doesn't sound like they're too concerned about his image...
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Sorry, if someone is accusing me of rape and I didn't do it, I'm not settling s***. In other words, he's guilty as f***.
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The high cost of rape is pricing me right out of the market.
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Be honest, you don't really think his being rich or a celebrity is that relevant to his "getting off."
Are you... are you making a rape joke? I suppose poor people get off on rape as much as anyone else but I was referring the judicial bias towards socioeconomic status and race.
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You raped me so give me money and everything will be cool. You aren't a rape victim at that point, you're a high priced prostitute. What a joke.
Rape victims don't settle out of court.
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Be honest, you don't really think his being rich or a celebrity is that relevant to his "getting off."
Are you... are you making a rape joke? I suppose poor people get off on rape as much as anyone else but I was referring the judicial bias towards socioeconomic status and race.
No jokes. You bring race into every discussion even if it is irrelevant to the issue being discussed. I don't care why you do it but but clearly you have a chip Robert Conrad could knock off.
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A settlement doesn't tell you anything about the guilt or innocence of the accused...
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No jokes. You bring race into every discussion even if it is irrelevant to the issue being discussed. I don't care why you do it but but clearly you have a chip Robert Conrad could knock off.
You're argument would be a lot stronger if you provided some supporting facts. Until then I'll consider this a red herring/ad hominem and dismiss you as unwilling to retort my point.
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No jokes. You bring race into every discussion even if it is irrelevant to the issue being discussed. I don't care why you do it but but clearly you have a chip Robert Conrad could knock off.
You're argument would be a lot stronger if you provided some supporting facts. Until then I'll consider this a red herring/ad hominem and dismiss you as unwilling to retort my point.
I'll settle for the strength of aguement. A lot stronger isn't any more necessary than your first post. You brought up race like you usually do when it was irrelevant to the issue at hand. As for ad hominem, you are a smug POS. Dismiss that!
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Repeating an accusation isn't really a valid form of proof.
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herp derp derp
profanity
Why you always butthurt?
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A settlement doesn't tell you anything about the guilt or innocence of the accused...
It tells you that they'd rather be rich than see the criminal punished. Maybe it even means they didn't mind being raped all that much.
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You raped me so give me money and everything will be cool. You aren't a rape victim at that point, you're a high priced prostitute. What a joke.
Rape victims don't settle out of court.
I actually agree with that.
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Barrien posted:
ikkoikki posted:
You raped me so give me money and everything will be cool. You aren't a rape victim at that point, you're a high priced prostitute. What a joke.
Rape victims don't settle out of court.
I actually agree with that.
I won't even pretend to know what a woman is thinking after she is raped but I would think that on one hand you have a sports star who, even if convicted, probably won't get much time and on the other hand enough money to provide for my family for a very long time. Seems like an easy choice.
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Thats why I think Michael Jackson is innocent too.
Are you telling me that if your son or daughter was raped, you'd have a dollar amount in mind where if you were paid, you'd be able to watch the person you know raped them, walk free?
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Thats why I think Michael Jackson is innocent too.
Are you telling me that if your son or daughter was raped, you'd have a dollar amount in mind where if you were paid, you'd be able to watch the person you know raped them, walk free?
A parent's point of view is very different from being the person raped. If I was raped I would take the money for my family in a heart beat. Of course I can say that as a man who has never been raped.
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Barrien posted:
ikkoikki posted:
You raped me so give me money and everything will be cool. You aren't a rape victim at that point, you're a high priced prostitute. What a joke.
Rape victims don't settle out of court.
I actually agree with that.
While I do not know the details of this case, it is an unfortunate condition of our legal system where justice is not always served on either side of the scales, i.e., innocents are convicted of crimes that they did not commit or such cases as the OJ Simpson fiasco where he was found not guilty of murder, but was sued and lost in a civil court action.
People try to find justice where ever they can, if they cannot depend on our judicial system to provide it.
I sincerely hope that the majority of people in America do not have such severe intolerant and ignorant views as yours.
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No one walks free because they settle in a civil court. Go figure out basic legal proceedings and then come back with your still worthless interpretation.
Maybe you settle because you're full of crap. Maybe you settle because some slightly larger payment isn't worth years of reliving a traumatic event or defending your reputation in courtrooms and the public spotlight. Maybe you settle because you just want to move on with your life. There's a lot of reasons to settle a civil case with no relevance to guilt. That's not even touching on the imperfections of the justice system and the reality that sometimes you just don't have the evidence to convict the bastard or prove your innocence regardless of the truth...
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You raped me so give me money and everything will be cool. You aren't a rape victim at that point, you're a high priced prostitute. What a joke.
Rape victims don't settle out of court.
Wait til it's your daughter/wife that finds themselves in this position, we'll see how deeply ingrained your ignorance truly is.
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Revenge money makes everything better.
edit: And to the above comment... if my wife or daughter were raped the last thing on my mind would be "How much money can I get out of these people."
Even if the guy was found not guilty for whatever reason.
Going after revenge money, and especially settling outside of court, just means that even you were not sure enough about your case to take it to trial.
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Revenge money makes everything better.
No, but apparently more money will. Settling for $400k makes you a prostitute. Pimping out your kid to spend months or years telling strangers about their most intimate violations so you can be awarded $600k is justice! It's all so clear now.
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Gibbon_raver posted:
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You raped me so give me money and everything will be cool. You aren't a rape victim at that point, you're a high priced prostitute. What a joke.
Rape victims don't settle out of court.
I actually agree with that.
I sincerely hope that the majority of people in America do not have such severe intolerant and ignorant views as yours.
You hope correctly, but not on the ignorant part, just on the severe intolerance.
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deadcactus posted:
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Revenge money makes everything better.
No, but apparently more money will. Settling for $400k makes you a prostitute. Pimping out your kid to spend months or years telling strangers about their most intimate violations so you can be awarded $600k is justice! It's all so clear now.
If she was raped by somebody who made $25k a year would it still have been worth $400k in court?
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Vegas? lol.
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Barrien posted:
Gibbon_raver posted:
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[quote=ikkoikki]You raped me so give me money and everything will be cool. You aren't a rape victim at that point, you're a high priced prostitute. What a joke.
Rape victims don't settle out of court.
I actually agree with that.
I sincerely hope that the majority of people in America do not have such severe intolerant and ignorant views as yours.
You hope correctly, but not on the ignorant part, just on the severe intolerance.[/quote]
To simply generalize that a rape victim, or any other victim of an alleged crime for that matter, decides (or her lawyers decide), that the best course of action is a civil suit rather than a criminal suit makes that person a "prostitute" or some other denigration of character shows an utter ignorance of the vast nuances of human behavior and\or legal course of actions. What the particulars are of this case I do not know and it may be one of extortion, but that is not what was said.
EDIT: A civil suit does not necessarily mean that the defendant will actually get huge sums of money. Perhaps in this case, yes, but many times a civil suit places a great burden on the accused in response to what has been perceived as a wrong done.
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Tai-Daishar_MT posted:
ikkoikki posted:
You raped me so give me money and everything will be cool. You aren't a rape victim at that point, you're a high priced prostitute. What a joke.
Rape victims don't settle out of court.
Wait til it's your daughter/wife that finds themselves in this position, we'll see how deeply ingrained your ignorance truly is.
If it was someone I truly cared about, I'd want the criminal put in jail. I wouldn't be bought off for any amount of money. That's the whole point.
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A lack of a criminal conviction is evidence of insufficient proof not evidence of innocence.
A civil settlement has nothing to do with criminal charges. They are separate processes.
Our justice system is not perfect. Court is an expensive, time-consuming, and emotionally traumatic experience. People don't always get justice. Sometimes they have to settle for the closest thing they can get and sometimes a civil settlement is the best thing being offered...
I'm sorry such basic concepts are beyond the comprehension of so many of you with outspoken opinions. Please don't let that stop your ignorant arm-chair legal rulings and proselytism.
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If she was raped by somebody who made $25k a year would it still have been worth $400k in court?
Damages are damages. You aren't magically liable for more damages because you make more money. Guys who make $25k don't go to civil court because they don't have $400k to pay those damages. Who is going to go through months of court battle for an IOU from a broke rapist? Is that justice to you? Letting your kid sit on the stand reliving the most traumatic moments in their life to a bunch of strangers so you can spend the rest of your life in a financial contract with their rapist?
And I'm sure the lawyers are lining up to take that case. Who doesn't want to work long hours for no money and no justice?
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If it was someone I truly cared about, I'd want the criminal put in jail. I wouldn't be bought off for any amount of money. That's the whole point.
Civil settlements have nothing to do with criminal charges. But I'm sure criminals will learn a harsh lesson when you lack sufficient evidence to press criminal charges and refuse to take them to civil court. I know I learn my lesson when I get off completely free...
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You made my point for me.
It's not justice.
It's revenge.
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Then I'll just hire some homeboys to drive by a spray him with the 9 milli. I don't play. 
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Chogram posted:
You made my point for me.
It's not justice.
It's revenge.
What is justice, Cho?
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OG_Loki posted:
Chogram posted:
You made my point for me.
It's not justice.
It's revenge.
What is justice, Cho?
Justice would be the man who raped her going to jail.
The only reason that he didn't is because he's rich and famous(anybody on this thread in that exact situation would be spending 3-5 in prison)
Since she didn't get that, it's time to move on and heal instead of going after revenge.
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