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Don't care if you like him or loathe him, this is good news:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/01/14/obama-administration-responds-we-people-petitions-sopa-and-online-piracy
http://mashable.com/2012/01/16/obama-sopa-position/
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the 18th is gonna be a fun day.
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OH WAIT, maybe I should hold off on liking something that he did because ACFers are going to accuse me of having his balls in my mouth. OMG WHEN WILL MY OBSESSION WITH HIM END?!?! 
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did he mention....PIPA? it's simply sopa under a different name
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Praise Obama
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lol election time
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Didn't he say that about the NDAA, only to sign it into law anyways?
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Yes, he'll sign it while simultaneously being strongly concerned about it
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Not crazy about SOAP myself. I loofa.
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DunesVladHarkonnen posted:
Not crazy about SOAP myself. I loofa.
Well that explains a lot...
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notmforce2k posted:
OH WAIT, maybe I should hold off on liking something that he did because ACFers are going to accuse me of having his balls in my mouth. OMG WHEN WILL MY OBSESSION WITH HIM END?!?!
Are you the new Monica Lewinsky or something?
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notmforce2k posted:
just think of them as milk duds or whoppers.
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Tipztoe posted:
lol election time
next
Quite possibly. If this is the case, it's a smart move on his part.
Fenping_DT posted:
Didn't he say that about the NDAA, only to sign it into law anyways?
I don't know. The thing about the NDAA is that it didn't get nearly as much press and isn't viewed as being so toxic as SOPA and PIPA. Which says something. Not just about him, but about Americans in general. When we're more vocal over our internet than we are about indefinite detention of citizens...yeah.
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Whoppers indeed.
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As much as I dislike a lot of what Obama has done....he has been the best, and most accomplished, President of the past 40 years. I'll be voting for him again this fall, and happy to do so.
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Fenping_DT posted:
Didn't he say that about the NDAA, only to sign it into law anyways?
yup. 
he also said he'd close Guantanamo and hey look, it's still open, ten years later.
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Ptilk posted:
As much as I dislike a lot of what Obama has done....he has been the best, and most accomplished, President of the past 40 years. I'll be voting for him again this fall, and happy to do so.
You must be Rip Van Winkle.
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Fenping_DT posted:
Didn't he say that about the NDAA, only to sign it into law anyways?
hey look, it's still open, ten years later.
lolwut?
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-Accident- posted:
Fenping_DT posted:
Didn't he say that about the NDAA, only to sign it into law anyways?
yup.
he also said he'd close Guantanamo and hey look, it's still open, ten years later.
Right, because that's totally his fault, despite the fact that the House won't approve funding to actually close it... Or that no state is willing to take the prisoners... it's all 100% Fartbama's fault.
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This is good news.
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Can't believe it has already been ten years since he sat at that desk and promised it would be closed.
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fine, yes, sorry, he hasn't been in office ten years. I do think he might have put a higher priority on getting Guantanamo shut down, he did have a Democrat-controlled legislature during his first two years in office.
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fine, yes, sorry, he hasn't been in office ten years. I do think he might have put a higher priority on getting Guantanamo shut down, he did have a Democrat-controlled legislature during his first two years in office.
I agree he should have tried harder, but where was he supposed to send them?
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fine, yes, sorry, he hasn't been in office ten years. I do think he might have put a higher priority on getting Guantanamo shut down, he did have a Democrat-controlled legislature during his first two years in office.
I agree, he should have tried harder... but I still don't see how you can blame this on him when all he had was opposition, even from his own party.
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HeartView posted:
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fine, yes, sorry, he hasn't been in office ten years. I do think he might have put a higher priority on getting Guantanamo shut down, he did have a Democrat-controlled legislature during his first two years in office.
I agree he should have tried harder, but where was he supposed to send them?
I'm afraid I have to agree. It becomes a real dilemma when no country on the planet is willing to take them, except for the very countries we don't want them to go back to (and I can't even remember if those countries were willing or not). I believe there have been a very scattered few who have been sent back to their home countries (I could be mistaken) but what about the rest of them?
All presidents, no matter what they'd like to do, will often not have the power to do so, either due to unforeseen complications, or due to Congress. The president is unable to pass laws- he has to persuade Congress to do so. Congress is where the real power lies. The president and even the Supreme Court have extremely limited powers, limited to certain circumstances. The president's biggest tool/weapon is influence, and if he fails at that, then he is hardly more than a figurehead.
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Gaevren posted:
HeartView posted:
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fine, yes, sorry, he hasn't been in office ten years. I do think he might have put a higher priority on getting Guantanamo shut down, he did have a Democrat-controlled legislature during his first two years in office.
I agree he should have tried harder, but where was he supposed to send them?
I'm afraid I have to agree. It becomes a real dilemma when no country on the planet is willing to take them, except for the very countries we don't want them to go back to (and I can't even remember if those countries were willing or not). I believe there have been a very scattered few who have been sent back to their home countries (I could be mistaken) but what about the rest of them?
All presidents, no matter what they'd like to do, will often not have the power to do so, either due to unforeseen complications, or due to Congress. The president is unable to pass laws- he has to persuade Congress to do so. Congress is where the real power lies. The president and even the Supreme Court have extremely limited powers, limited to certain circumstances. The president's biggest tool/weapon is influence, and if he fails at that, then he is hardly more than a figurehead.
Exactly. People who are blaming Obama for Guantanimo Bay (and other assorted things) are forgetting that the President isn't an emperor or a king, he doesnt' have that much power. It's hard to remember that after Bush's dumb ass.
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Tipztoe posted:
lol election time
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Exactly. I'm glad they released a statement that they oppose it, but it's a no brainer that it's being done for election purposes. Why? Because the Obama Administration released a White Paper which was published back in March which contains a lot of similar draconian measures that mirror what SOPA and PIPA want to do.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/ip_white_paper.pdf
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Actually that is a very good method of getting something passed...
Don't worry about it -- the white house doesnt support it...
Bill passes congress...
Well, I have reconsidered, signs...
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Considering his VP Biden has been a career long puppet for the MPAA and RIAA and his DOJ is filled with former MPAA and RIAA lawyers that are pushing for this shit, I don't exactly believe him
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