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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16513186
the assassination on Wednesday of another Iranian nuclear scientist may now prompt Iran to try to respond in kind.
The murder in Tehran of Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan is the fourth such attack on Iran's scientists in just two years.
It comes on top of a sophisticated cyber sabotage programme and two mysterious explosions at Iranian military bases, one of which in November killed the general known as 'the godfather' of Iran's ballistic missile programme.
No-one is claiming responsibility for these attacks but Iran blames its longstanding enemy, Israel, and occasionally the US.
Sir Richard Dalton, Britain's Ambassador to Iran from 2002 to 2006 and now an associate fellow at the UK think tank, Chatham House, believes the undeclared campaign against Iran's nuclear scientists is entering a dangerous phase.
"The next step is for Iran to answer like for like" says Dalton.
"If a state is behind this then this is international state terrorism and it's inviting a response. It looks like a further twist that will lead to a tit-for-tat"
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In one of the earlier debates this fall, several of those morons whined that we needed "covert" operations in Iran. They were too goddamn stupid realize two big things:
1. Congratulations, asshats, for tipping your hand.
2. Who says we aren't?!?!
Our State department has emphatically denied any involvement whatsoever on this incident or any other attack on Iran or Iranians, but I hope we're just lying. I'm not thrilled with spy movie tactics, but by golly if *someone* is going to do it, it should be us.
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Good... I would really like to show them the business end of an ICBM and say this is how you do it.... bright flash... huge mushroom cloud
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Good... I would really like to show them the business end of an ICBM and say this is how you do it.... bright flash... huge mushroom cloud
The whole reason behind carbombing a few nuclear scientists is so we DON'T have to do this.
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Good... I would really like to show them the business end of an ICBM and say this is how you do it.... bright flash... huge mushroom cloud
Oh? Why is that? Has Iran attacked the US lately and I am unaware? Curious what they did that deserves a nuclear response.
Hopefully though they can respond in-kind if you do something that stupid for no cause.
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Arc_DT posted:
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Good... I would really like to show them the business end of an ICBM and say this is how you do it.... bright flash... huge mushroom cloud
The whole reason behind carbombing a few nuclear scientists is so we DON'T have to do this.
how ever you try to justify killing an innocent person to go to sleep at night, does not change the fact that an innocent scientific scholar was brutally murdered under the guise of "freedom" and "justice"
i call it hypocrisy my self...
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Nothing sickeningly entertaining like the "TURN IT INTO GLASS!!1" crowd.
"YA NO WHAT WE SHULD DO, WE SHUD STRAP THEM INTUH A PLANE AND FLY IT INTUH THUR CAPITAL!"
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how ever you try to justify killing an innocent person to go to sleep at night, does not change the fact that an innocent scientific scholar was brutally murdered under the guise of "freedom" and "justice"
i call it hypocrisy my self...
Not innocent, and by my first post in this thread I'm on the record as not being *entirely* cool with it.
Well, I don't know if this particular scientist was innocent or not, but I also don't know if we were involved in the assassination or not. I'd like to think that we wouldn't take out scientists who were developing a more nutritious breakfast cereal. If a scientist is providing providing support to a rogue program, then he's responsible for its results, and is therefore no more innocent than the program itself is.
The Right likes to throw around the "aid and comfort to the enemy" definition of treason, but they use it in the metaphorical sense when it only applies in the literal sense. A scientist working on an illegal nuclear weapon is indeed providing literal "aid" and is not innocent.
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this reminds me of the Death Star argument from Clerks
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Arc_DT posted:
_Elwood_ posted:
how ever you try to justify killing an innocent person to go to sleep at night, does not change the fact that an innocent scientific scholar was brutally murdered under the guise of "freedom" and "justice"
i call it hypocrisy my self...
Not innocent, and by my first post in this thread I'm on the record as not being *entirely* cool with it.
Well, I don't know if this particular scientist was innocent or not, but I also don't know if we were involved in the assassination or not. I'd like to think that we wouldn't take out scientists who were developing a more nutritious breakfast cereal. If a scientist is providing providing support to a rogue program, then he's responsible for its results, and is therefore no more innocent than the program itself is.
The Right likes to throw around the "aid and comfort to the enemy" definition of treason, but they use it in the metaphorical sense when it only applies in the literal sense. A scientist working on an illegal nuclear weapon is indeed providing literal "aid" and is not innocent.
where do you get illigal from?
iran has every right to build a nuke bomb just as much as any other country does.
this whole IAEA is an agreement forced on developing countries too wag the dog and keep the rich in power longer.
any reasonable person will not call one country having the bomb completely fine and dandy and another quest to acquired it so it can be on equal footing "illegal"
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where do you get illigal from?
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this whole IAEA...
AND you answer your own question. Illegality, not philosophy, determines the right to punish. Philosophy merely sometimes gets a say in what should be illegal. Therefore even demonstrable "hypocrisy" has absolutely no bearing on the question.
Yes, I find the criteria of who's "allowed" a nuclear weapon to be highly ambiguous, but that's not the question.
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honestly none of us need nukes.
but they need them less than anyone else.
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The work of Mossad, not the US.
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Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? Our government has a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for him, and you curse the US Government. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what our government knows. That his's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And our government's actions, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want our government to protect us on that wall, you need them on that wall. They use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. They have neither the time nor the inclination to explain themselves to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
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We should terraform their deserts. That will learn them!
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How do you know it's not Russia doing it?
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How do you know it's not Russia doing it?
ask yourself what would Russia get out of it?
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How do you know it's not Russia doing it?
ask yourself what would Russia get out of it?
Higher oil prices. Duh.
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I don't think the US is behind the "hit".
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How do you know it's not Russia doing it?
ask yourself what would Russia get out of it?
the blame goes on the US
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How do you know it's not Russia doing it?
ask yourself what would Russia get out of it?
the blame goes on the US
there are an awful lot of US and foreign companies that would benefit if the wars in the middle east don't continue
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Just nuke the Middle East and be done will it.
The world would be a better place without the Middle East and Detroit.
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Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? Our government has a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for him, and you curse the US Government. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what our government knows. That his's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And our government's actions, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want our government to protect us on that wall, you need them on that wall. They use words like honor, code, loyalty. They use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. They have neither the time nor the inclination to explain themselves to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that they provide, and then questions the manner in which they provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
good movie and yes it is fitting here too.
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his's
I don't remember that part of the movie.
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