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How is it possible in a society where we take law so seriously that we allow the barbaric practice of suspending the constitution and law to allow over privileged politicians hand out 'get out of jail free' cards? What can possibly go wrong? 
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Pardons are a good idea. But they should be publicized a lot more.
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This power for the President has no constitutional limits. He could theoretically pardon the entire prison population. After a president seriously abuses this power the constitution will be ammended to limit it
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Corky_Aloof posted:
How is it possible in a society where we take law so seriously that we allow the barbaric practice of suspending the constitution and law to allow over privileged politicians hand out 'get out of jail free' cards? What can possibly go wrong?
i'm not sure how using a power in the constitution is "suspending" it
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There should be some kind of limits on it, it's abused more than it's used correctly.
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There should be some kind of limits on it, it's abused more than it's used correctly.
there are limits on it...only 1 person has the power ...seems pretty limited to me
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This is what happens when idiots are given FULL authority to perform pardons.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/09/justice/mississippi-murder-pardons/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
"(CNN) -- In his last days in office, outgoing Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour pardoned four men convicted of murder, a state official said Monday.
David Gatlin, Joseph Ozment, Charles Hooker and Anthony McCray received full pardons and were released at 1 p.m. Sunday, said Suzanne Singletary, spokeswoman for the Mississippi Department of Corrections. All four were serving life sentences and worked as trusties at the governor's mansion, she said.
"It is at any governor's discretion," said Singletary."
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This is what happens when idiots are given FULL authority to perform pardons.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/09/justice/mississippi-murder-pardons/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
"(CNN) -- In his last days in office, outgoing Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour pardoned four men convicted of murder, a state official said Monday.
David Gatlin, Joseph Ozment, Charles Hooker and Anthony McCray received full pardons and were released at 1 p.m. Sunday, said Suzanne Singletary, spokeswoman for the Mississippi Department of Corrections. All four were serving life sentences and worked as trusties at the governor's mansion, she said.
"It is at any governor's discretion," said Singletary."
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i'm not seeing the issue here....do you hold the same disdain for the pardoning powers when someone that shouldn't be locked up is pardoned?
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Go look at what people wrote about it at the time. I think it was Madison who said we needed a pardon power because the courts were too harsh.
Things have pretty much reversed themselves over the past 200 years. Now the political branches are dominated by hardline "tough on crime" ideologues and it's the courts that are more humane.
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Walker_ID posted:
Kjarhall posted:
There should be some kind of limits on it, it's abused more than it's used correctly.
there are limits on it...only 1 person has the power ...seems pretty limited to me
Limits on the one person who has the power, sparky.
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I was very disappointed in Haley Barbour over those pardons.
I guess he will go back to being a lobbyist.
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So four convicts now owe a former governor / future lobbyist a HUGE favor. I'm sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that.
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As with so many other things, pardons started off as a good idea and that has been put to corrupted purposes over the ages.
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Tools of our republic are only as good as the people you elect to use those tools.
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And we have been electing tools for a long time now.
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Government pardons are the last ditch hope when money and power can't get you out of trouble.
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Walker_ID posted:
SoBaKi posted:
This is what happens when idiots are given FULL authority to perform pardons.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/01/09/justice/mississippi-murder-pardons/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
"(CNN) -- In his last days in office, outgoing Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour pardoned four men convicted of murder, a state official said Monday.
David Gatlin, Joseph Ozment, Charles Hooker and Anthony McCray received full pardons and were released at 1 p.m. Sunday, said Suzanne Singletary, spokeswoman for the Mississippi Department of Corrections. All four were serving life sentences and worked as trusties at the governor's mansion, she said.
"It is at any governor's discretion," said Singletary."
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i'm not seeing the issue here....do you hold the same disdain for the pardoning powers when someone that shouldn't be locked up is pardoned?
No surprise.
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War hero sentenced to three years for shaking a hand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Buwalda
Pardoned after 10 months.
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Kjarhall posted:
Limits on the one person who has the power, sparky.
ok..i'll play your game....what restrictions would you put into place?
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I would disallow pardons made between a few days before an election and an inauguration (for those sentenced before the election). This would provide a small amount of accountability, even for a president who already served two terms. I think it would be enough to discourage an Executor from pardoning all but the people he truly feels were served an injustice.
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On his last day in office Arnold reduced the sentence of his buddy Fabian Nunez' son, and when ask why he said it is what you do for a friend.
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Having pardons means the justice system is broke.
For instance, countries like thailand give out pardons to foreigners because they impose stupid sentences like 20 years in jail for having a little cocaine on you. It makes them look bad when a white person gets busted so harshly, so their king or whatever they call it hands out a pardon. No question, thy have a crappy justice system.
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