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http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/7434057/nhl-delays-realignment-plan-modified-playoffs-format
Stupid stupid stupid.
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Stupid.
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why would they do that?
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They say one of the reasons is because it would result in a more onerous travel schedule... Even though one of the biggest reasons for the realignment is so teams play teams in closer proximity more.
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NHLPA posted:
January 06, 2012
Toronto (January 6, 2012) – National Hockey League Players' Association (NHLPA) Executive Director Don Fehr issued the following statement this evening regarding the League’s realignment proposal:
“On the evening of December 5, 2011, the NHL informed the NHLPA that they proposed to put in place a four-conference format beginning with the 2012-13 season. As realignment affects Players’ terms and conditions of employment, the CBA requires the League to obtain the NHLPA’s consent before implementation. Over the last month, we have had several discussions with the League and extensive dialogue with Players, most recently on an Executive Board conference call on January 1. Two substantial Player concerns emerged: (1) whether the new structure would result in increased and more onerous travel; and (2) the disparity in chances of making the playoffs between the smaller and larger divisions.
In order to evaluate the effect on travel of the proposed new structure, we requested a draft or sample 2012-13 schedule, showing travel per team. We were advised it was not possible for the League to do that. We also suggested reaching an agreement on scheduling conditions to somewhat alleviate Player travel concerns (e.g., the scheduling of more back-to-back games, more difficult and lengthier road trips, number of border crossings, etc.), but the League did not want to enter into such a dialogue. The travel estimation data we received from the League indicates that many of the current Pacific and Central teams, that have demanding travel schedules under the current format, could see their travel become even more difficult. On the playoff qualification matter, we suggested discussing ways to eliminate the inherent differences in the proposed realignment, but the League was not willing to do so.
The League set a deadline of January 6, 2012 for the NHLPA to provide its consent to the NHL’s proposal. Players’ questions about travel and concerns about the playoff format have not been sufficiently addressed; as such, we are not able to provide our consent to the proposal at this time. We continue to be ready and willing to have further discussions should the League be willing to do so.â€
That was my big thing. Blew my mind that they were going ahead with divisions having different chances of making the playoffs.
Honestly its a he said she said deal for the most part, but the NHLPA does have that cold hard fact on their side.
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Don't you have to finish last in your division to NOT go to the playoffs in the NHL?
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Don't you have to finish last in your division to NOT go to the playoffs in the NHL?
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no.
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Rhodoman posted:
Don't you have to finish last in your division to NOT go to the playoffs in the NHL?
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Not even close
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Gildash posted:
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and (2) the disparity in chances of making the playoffs between the smaller and larger divisions.
That was my big thing. Blew my mind that they were going ahead with divisions having different chances of making the playoffs.
Honestly its a he said she said deal for the most part, but the NHLPA does have that cold hard fact on their side.
This IMO is the deal breaker. The 'travel' is a geographical problem. Maybe teams that have to travel more should have the 'lighter' conference and have a better chance of making the playoffs to offset it?
Instead they made the teams that have to travel further have the heavier division and less odds to make the playoffs.
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Just make an a balanced schedule next year imo. Skip the realignment for now.
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wasn't the complaint before with travel being just a timezone thing? NOT actual travel?
that was why people defended the northern teams and florida teams being in the same conference.
and the disparity of playoff chance is a bit of a joke...ONE team fewer really wont make a difference for the short conferences.
really what it is all about is the NHL came up with this and didn't ask the NHLPA for input so they are being pissy bitches.
a few teams are already saying rejecting was BS.
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wasn't the complaint before with travel being just a timezone thing? NOT actual travel?
that was why people defended the northern teams and florida teams being in the same conference.
and the disparity of playoff chance is a bit of a joke...ONE team fewer really wont make a difference for the short conferences.
really what it is all about is the NHL came up with this and didn't ask the NHLPA for input so they are being pissy bitches.
a few teams are already saying rejecting was BS.
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They are concerned about the playoffs? Come on, over half the teams in each conference qualify for the playoffs. A playoff system like that is already a complete joke.
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wasn't the complaint before with travel being just a timezone thing? NOT actual travel?
that was why people defended the northern teams and florida teams being in the same conference.
and the disparity of playoff chance is a bit of a joke...ONE team fewer really wont make a difference for the short conferences.
really what it is all about is the NHL came up with this and didn't ask the NHLPA for input so they are being pissy bitches.
a few teams are already saying rejecting was BS.
Not sure if serious....
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They are concerned about the playoffs? Come on, over half the teams in each conference qualify for the playoffs. A playoff system like that is already a complete joke.
Blatantly false. Try again.
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There is a real simple solution for the players that are missing the playoffs. Win more games.
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Gildash posted:
Banelord_FF posted:
They are concerned about the playoffs? Come on, over half the teams in each conference qualify for the playoffs. A playoff system like that is already a complete joke.
Blatantly false. Try again.
current format, 8 teams from each conference make it.
there are 15 teams per conference.
last i checked 8 is bigger than 7.
still in the proposed format, two of the four conferences it still holds true...and overall more teams make the playoffs than dont.
and my above WAS serious...
7 teams fighting for 4 spots is not that much easier than 8 fighting for 4 spots.
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Gildash posted:
Banelord_FF posted:
They are concerned about the playoffs? Come on, over half the teams in each conference qualify for the playoffs. A playoff system like that is already a complete joke.
Blatantly false. Try again.
You don't know much about hockey do you? I don't even like the sport and I know that when you have two 15 team conferences and 8 teams from each conference make the playoffs, more than half the teams in each conference make the playoffs.
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Banelord_FF posted:
Gildash posted:
Banelord_FF posted:
They are concerned about the playoffs? Come on, over half the teams in each conference qualify for the playoffs. A playoff system like that is already a complete joke.
Blatantly false. Try again.
You don't know much about hockey do you? I don't even like the sport and I know that when you have two 15 team conferences and 8 teams from each conference make the playoffs, more than half the teams in each conference make the playoffs.
Oops. I'm wrong. I'll try again.
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I propose that the NHL just drops 2 of the teams that aren't making money and have 28 teams.
Phoenix and Columbus seem like 2 good choices.
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they should drop more than 2 teams, how about 5 .
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floridas, carolina, dallas and vancouver should be a start!
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any stadium that fans wear a cowboy hat to the game should be step 2
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floridas, carolina, dallas and vancouver should be a start!
3 of those 4 are recent Cup winners, how bout we drop some Canadian teams (Van is a good start) as they are so non-competitive.
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