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He said everyone in the family knew he was gay already but it was very awkward for everyone when he came out.
I don't even know the kid and I feel bad for him. The coworker "James" said he looked him in the eye and shook his hand when he was told, but the kid looked so ashamed. I told James he was probably ashamed because he knew James' views on it. (i bit back my congratulations for not treating him like a leper remark, I actually respect him a little more for going that far.) He asked, probably rhetorically, why he couldn't just stay in the closet and I said it's probably tough hiding who you are and living a lie.
James mentioned the poor kids mother and I said she'd love him no matter what. Kinda odd to me that a follower of a religion dedicated to love has a hard time understanding that concept. I made sure to throw in "natural" as much as possible, the guy obviously didn't want to press his beliefs and looked so uncomfortable, it was priceless. He kept saying it's just lust and I kept saying, natural lust like everyone has.
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He understands love.
What he is struggling with is reconciling that to the negative feelings he has been taught to have towards homosexuality.
Fundamentalists choose words over people. It's a learned behavior, and one that is frightening to let go of.
Just like he should have compassion for his relative you should have compassion for his ignorance.
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Poor kid... Good for him for coming out.
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Five superpowers?
Oh man what a whackjob there's three at most I tell ya AT MOST!!
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He understands love.
What he is struggling with is reconciling that to the negative feelings he has been taught to have towards homosexuality.
Fundamentalists choose words over people. It's a learned behavior, and one that is frightening to let go of.
Just like he should have compassion for his relative you should have compassion for his ignorance.
I don't have compassion for bigotry. There is no pity in compassion. I do respect him and his right to his views, but he brought it up, so I spoke my thoughts on the matter.
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Five superpowers?
Oh man what a whackjob there's three at most I tell ya AT MOST!!
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I have less of a problem with people being gay than people murdering, stealing, raping, lying, etc. The Bible says all of that stuff is wrong, but it also says we all screw up and we all need forgiveness and grace. I never realized this as much as I did when my best friend from middle school through college, the maid of honor at my wedding, came out of the closet. She tried to avoid relationships with women, even got married to a really wonderful guy and thought trying to live contrary to her feelings would help get rid of them, but in the end she was living a lie and hurting herself and others. She did not choose to be gay any more than I chose to be straight. I don't understand it but I do know that she's still one of my best friends and I can't stop being her friend over something like this...I can't imagine how sh*tty a friend that would make me.
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The Bible doesn't say being gay is wrong.
The closest it really comes is some of Paul's ranting in some of the letters. But that's just Paul being a douchecanoe and he hardly limits that to bashing gay people. Paul was just a mean-spirited little bastard.
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The Bible doesn't say being gay is wrong.
The closest it really comes is some of Paul's ranting in some of the letters. But that's just Paul being a douchecanoe and he hardly limits that to bashing gay people. Paul was just a mean-spirited little bastard.
As I can remember, historically as well is biblically (not the same thing), Paul/Saul was consistently a huge asshole to everyone around him.
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Leviticus explicitly forbids homosexual relations, however Christians are not bound under the law given to Moses.
The letters Paul wrote were to advise churches of how to resolve issues they were having, so they are written with the customs of society in mind. He makes it clear that the only law Christians are under is the law of Christ which is love.
I do not think Jesus would endorse the discrimination against homosexuals that happens today.
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Leviticus explicitly forbids homosexual relations.
No. At best it explicitly forbids homosexual anal sex. You may call that a distinction without a difference but it isn't at all. The old testament never says God doesn't like gay people.
It is just a rule about conduct. The same way you're not supposed to have sex with a menstruating woman or whatever.
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That's what I was talking about...
If you never put it in anything, or never have anything put in you, I think that makes you asexual. I think sexuality requires sex, right?
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The old testament doesn't prohibit male oral sex or any other form of male on male sexual contact and it certainly never talks about sexual identity.
It is a pretty important distinction in the way the mitzvot work. It is just a conduct rule like any other, and conduct rules are traditionally left up to the individual parties to regulate. There's a famous rabbinical statement about no one ever knowing if you have sex with your wife on her period so it doesn't make sense to try to enforce it. The leviticus prohibition is the same sort of thing.
People who point to it to justify anti-gay bigotry are morons who can't even ead their own holy book right.
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"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 20:13
I agree that it is a conduct issue for Jews, but it doesn't specify anal sex. I think it covers sexual gratification in general.
Sodomy is forbidden in general even with members of the opposite sex.
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"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 20:13
I agree that it is a conduct issue for Jews, but it doesn't specify anal sex. I think it covers sexual gratification in general.
Sodomy is forbidden in general even with members of the opposite sex.
The new testament supersedes the old testament.
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10% of the population is gay. In general, this means one in ten posters here are gay.
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How do you lay with a man like you would lay with a woman if sodomy is forbidden anyway? Men don't have vaginas.
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How do you lay with a man like you would lay with a woman if sodomy is forbidden anyway? Men don't have vaginas.
God is a progressive, The new testament supersedes the old testament.
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"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 20:13
"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him."
Leviticus 20:19
Just 3 verses away and just a crazy.
The bible is a funny book. Leviticus is especially crazy. That's where you're warned against crew cuts and the abominable shellfish.
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Wait, so sodomy is back on the table?
Its a DATE tonight!
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Allstarslacker posted:
"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 20:13
"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him."
Leviticus 20:19
Just 3 verses away and just a crazy.
The bible is a funny book. Leviticus is especially crazy. That's where you're warned against crew cuts and the abominable shellfish.
God is a progressive, The new testament supersedes the old testament. Which means the old testament things like Leviticus isn't adhered to.
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Wait, so sodomy is back on the table?
Its a DATE tonight!
Sure, if it's between two consenting adults.
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How inconsiderate of that kid to ruin this guys christmas by existing. WTF, couldn't he just have pretended not to?
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I don't get how someone could use the old testament to justify homosexuality as wrong and then just disregard all of the other things in the old testament. Am I missing out on my decoder ring?
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Thanks for the clarification, I was about to get my anal ra page on otherwise. 
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Leviticus explicitly forbids homosexual relations, however Christians are not bound under the law given to Moses.
Christians are still following all of the old testament rules? Even the Jews don't do that anymore and they don't believe in Christ's teachings in the new testament!
Just saw the eleventy people above me saying the same thing.. .lul
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Leviticus explicitly forbids homosexual relations, however Christians are not bound under the law given to Moses.
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The bible is dumb
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The bible is dumb
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The bible is dumb
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I agree that it is a conduct issue for Jews, but it doesn't specify anal sex.
It's been consistently interpreted to mean only anal sex since the very beginning. You are looking at the english translation without paying any attention to the hebrew and the rabbinical interpretation of that hebrew.
That bit of leviticus prohibits ONLY male on male anal sex. It doesn't prohibit any sexual conduct of any kind between women and it doesn't prohibit any other kind of contact between men. That is what it meant to the Jews when Jesus lived.
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Many a Christmas Day has been ruined by families gathering once a year and having any sort of communication about anything, gay or not.
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leviticus is the most retarded piece of mod I have ever read, and I have read 10 pages of Twilight.
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The bible is dumb
you're dumb
Well you are entitled to your opinion even when you are wrong. Which, like in this instance, is quite often.
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The bible is dumb
you're dumb
Well you are entitled to your opinion even when you are wrong. Which, like in this instance, is quite often.
HA! You're a poopy head too.
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[quote=IMHO][quote=Tych2]The bible is dumb
you're dumb
Well you are entitled to your opinion even when you are wrong. Which, like in this instance, is quite often.
HA! You're a poopy head too.[/quote]
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It's always entertaining when the Outpost tackles Religion.
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That's what I was talking about...
If you never put it in anything, or never have anything put in you, I think that makes you asexual. I think sexuality requires sex, right?
ask bonk
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If they knew then its probably not so bad - hes just vocalizing his feelings.
If you really think about it though , the person comng out has had years to come to terms with the situation. The rest of the fanily that loves or cares about the person only has moments to come to terms with it so it makes sense that theyre going to feel awkward.
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If they knew then its probably not so bad - hes just vocalizing his feelings.
If you really think about it though , the person comng out has had years to come to terms with the situation. The rest of the fanily that loves or cares about the person only has moments to come to terms with it so it makes sense that theyre going to feel awkward.
What is there to come to terms with? He happens to like other dudes, does it in any way affect your life besides the knowledge that he happens to like to play hide the sausage with other men?
It should be no more traumatic then knowing that your cousin now happens to cheer for a different football team then you, it's not supposed to be awkward.
People need to think less of themselves and empathize more with others and stop being so f'kin backwards, conservative and retarded.
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Well even gay people say they need to come to terms with the fact they are gay...
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Well even gay people say they need to come to terms with the fact they are gay...
Not if they grown up in an environment where it's not frowned upon or looked upon as a immoral stigma.. It's not like there's a gay vs straight fight going on inside them, it's the outside projecting it's morals and stupidity upon a being that has at it's core the want to belong in a herd and be accepted and "normal", western civilization is just now turning from a few hundred years of backwards christian social ultra-conservatism takes a while for a society to shrug off all that stupid.
Hell just look at Mastboro, he's a relic.
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Allstarslacker posted:
"'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
Leviticus 20:13
"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him."
Leviticus 20:19
Just 3 verses away and just a crazy.
The bible is a funny book. Leviticus is especially crazy. That's where you're warned against crew cuts and the abominable shellfish.
they mention cthulu in the bible?!
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Bad shellfish I can understand.. bad shellfish and red tide shellfish is lethal.
I'd say if you're a religious bigot and cite bible passages to support your hatred then you'd have to stone your wife and daughters if they talk back and sell people into slavery etc etc..
if you don't that just means that you're a nitpickin bigot with no balls to follow through on your convictions, your shitty ideals and your faith is worthless because you don't have the zealotry to follow through.. weakling.
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I dont know what kids are taught today but in my day... I didnt even know what gay was when i was a little boy. Every childrens book had a mom and a dad.. So i was indoctrinated; realizing youre not going to fit into that is rough.
Its no different than feeling like a misfit for any number of other issues you might have in your life though. Actually, being a misfit because youre gay is not even that bad since there are so many gay people out there.
Bonk is a misfit for instance and he has had a rough life (worse than most gays)...
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I dont know what kids are taught today but in my day... I didnt even know what gay was when i was a little boy. Every childrens book had a mom and a dad..
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I dont know what kids are taught today but in my day... I didnt even know what gay was when i was a little boy. Every childrens book had a mom and a dad.. So i was indoctrinated; realizing youre not going to fit into that is rough.
Its no different than feeling like a misfit for any number of other issues you might have in your life though. Actually, being a misfit because youre gay is not even that bad since there are so many gay people out there.
Bonk is a misfit for instance and he has had a rough life (worse than most gays)...
Well sexuality is often not an issue until puberty, when that strikes can vary. I myself was sexually mature (ie: ejaculation) at about 12. I always thought girls were interesting so for me this wasn't a issue.
I think parents have to become more open about discussing sexuality with their children, and if so I mean beyond birds and bees and if they are incapable then council can be had. I would not let it up for the schools to explain sexuality to my children, I'd rather do that myself even if it would be awkward as hell..
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It should be no more traumatic then knowing that your cousin now happens to cheer for a different football team then you, it's not supposed to be awkward.
Agreed. Unless it's the Patriots... /disowned!
I mean, we're talking about family here! I would kick my brothers ass if I were gay and he was unsupportive. Seriously, the rest of the world can be raging bigoted dickheads, but not your own family.
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I myself was sexually mature (ie: ejaculation) at about 12.
TMI!!!
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see, you guys need to be less close-minded about sex.
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see, you guys need to be less close-minded about sex.
I think it's more that they don't want to know about your first spunk.
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eodoll posted:
I dont know what kids are taught today but in my day... I didnt even know what gay was when i was a little boy. Every childrens book had a mom and a dad..
Bert and ernie and the cookie monster were my favorite sesame street characters.
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Then you are probably infected with teh gay already
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