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I posted this note on the Yahoo FFL page, but I wanted to post it here as well, and add a little bit to it. Here is the note from the Yahoo FFL page:
"Sorry for being a little late to close the season out guys, I got a little distracted by Starwars: The Old Republic. First off I would like to say grats to Irish on winning his first league championship. It was a great championship run. Secondly I want you all to keep an eye on the VN boards page as I will be posting the end of year survey proposing some very radical changes. The biggest amoung these proposed changes is going to be a new division system, and possibly expanding the playoffs to start in week 13 and include every team. I will talk in more detail about these plans in the end of year survey. The last thing I want to mention is that I plan to run the league again next year, but it might be closer to August before the league is up and running due to the fact I will be out of country for most of the summer next year. Thanks for the great year, and see you all next season!"
In addition to that, if you have any suggestions for changes to the league for next season, please comment here. I will take these suggestion into consideration, and if I feel they are worth discussing I will add them to the end of year survey for the league to vote on. Thanks once again for the great season guys. I will wait about a week to post the end of year survey and potential changes for next year to give people a chance to respond to this post. Please throw out any ideas you have to make the league more competitive and fun next season.
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Can you post your scoring system (current)?
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If you are looking for another team next year let me know. I haven't actually been in any leagues in the last 2 years due to lack of interest from friends and some other leagues just busting.
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imo, i dont think the playoffs should include every team...but that is just me. if you suck in a specific year, (like me) then you dont deserve a playoff berth.
in all 3 of my FFL this year, my teams sucked...kinda mirrored Indy's performance this year. So im hoping to kick everyone's ass next year..well, not hoping...just going to do it!
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of course, having every team in the playoffs would prevent teams out of the running from trading all their best players to the two best teams in completely unbalanced trades, effectively eliminating everyone else from winning the league..
as happened this year...
so normally I would be opposed to having everyone in the playoffs, but with this group of players it might just be a good idea.
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well if u think trading from bad teams to contenders is wrong, you should complain to all sports for doing the same.
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Really? In the real world trades like those don't happen either. NO real world team trades their best players for scrubs because they are having a bad year. In the real world, those teams have to play again next year. In a fantasy football league it unbalances the league with no consequences.
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One of the things we are going to vote on is rather or not to turn our league into a keeper league, where you get to keep 1-3 of your players from the year before (We will vote on the exact number if we decide to do a keeper league). This should prevent any game changing players from being traded away. Another option I will propose is to make all trades subject to my approval before they are finalized.
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Really? In the real world trades like those don't happen either. NO real world team trades their best players for scrubs because they are having a bad year. In the real world, those teams have to play again next year. In a fantasy football league it unbalances the league with no consequences.
Those trades do tend to happen in Basketball and Baseball imo. But I would agree with you in regards to Football and Soccer.
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What 'completely unbalanced' trades are you guys talking about and why didn't people just vote against them?
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In my opinion there were two trades that were completely one sided.
The most egregious one was trading the number one pick in the draft (Arian Foster) for Jahvid Best (the week after he sustained his concussion) and Dustin Keller. Neither player saw his lineup all year.
The same day he also traded Hakeem Nicks and Eric Decker for Ryan Torain and Andy Dalton. He then immediately dropped Andy Dalton.
Trades are part of the game, and from all the FF etiquette that I have seen/read, it is very rare a trade gets vetoed. Rather than causing turmoil for your league/commissioner, it is just better to file that away, play on, and then just don't play in that league the next year. Since it did not get enough votes to be vetoed, I didn't say anything. Nobody likes being 'that guy' (but I guess I am now..)
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.Juzam. posted:
In my opinion there were two trades that were completely one sided.
The most egregious one was trading the number one pick in the draft (Arian Foster) for Jahvid Best (the week after he sustained his concussion) and Dustin Keller. Neither player saw his lineup all year.
The same day he also traded Hakeem Nicks and Eric Decker for Ryan Torain and Andy Dalton. He then immediately dropped Andy Dalton.
Trades are part of the game, and from all the FF etiquette that I have seen/read, it is very rare a trade gets vetoed. Rather than causing turmoil for your league/commissioner, it is just better to file that away, play on, and then just don't play in that league the next year. Since it did not get enough votes to be vetoed, I didn't say anything. Nobody likes being 'that guy' (but I guess I am now..)
that one is pure diabolical! 
in my other 2 leagues, our commissioner will determine if the trade goes through. if it is as blatant as the trade that i highlighted then its a obvious decline. if the commissioner is trading then it would fall to the next in line so to speak.
its a easy fix. and should be.
if you go keeper league, then the person that does not keep their player(s) gets the nod for the top pick...imo. not sure how you would handle it on the yahoo site. not aware that they have features that you can customize. my vet league of 12yrs. was once a keeper till we went auction. and we always handled it that way if someone say, ME...one year i had Priest Holmes, he was blowing up and i was 8-0...then he was assassinated by the FFL Gods....the next year, since i didnt keep him, i was allowed the first pick. then it went to random picks of the others that chose to keep a player.
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.Juzam. posted:
The same day he also traded Hakeem Nicks and Eric Decker for Ryan Torain and Andy Dalton. He then immediately dropped Andy Dalton.
When someone needed a QB for that week it was a fair trade. not up to me if that person drops who they trade for. at that time decker was in a decline from tebow taking over so yea you said you dont follow football unless it is for your team so dont make excuses
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... and that is why I didn't say anything at the time. People get defensive...
Spy, you did nothing wrong, you were on the receiving end of a trade that every single other player in every single other league in the world would have accepted. Your league did not veto it so you got the players. However, don't try to insult anyone's intelligence and try to justify it as a fair deal.
In fact after looking, Northwind's QB (Rivers) already had his bye week when this trade was done. Tebow took over in week 7 which was the week after this trade was made, so ya, there were questions about what would happen but nobody knew. Denver also just traded Lloyd making Decker the number 1 receiver. I'm sorry, but I just don't see how trading 2 number 1 receivers is worth a rookie QB and a backup running back.
I don't follow football. I can't even tell you who all the playoff teams are in these current playoffs. But thanks to FFL I do follow lots of individual players and I know a lot about them. I know a lot about Decker because I had him on my team in my other league. I also know a lot about the relative value of players thanks to the research I do every week.
I am making excuses because I didn't win the league? I am proud of my FFL team this year. My number 1 pick tore his ACL in week 2 and I still almost rode Drew Brees to a top 4 finish. I had fun and that was what I set out to do.
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.Juzam. posted:
of course, having every team in the playoffs would prevent teams out of the running from trading all their best players to the two best teams in completely unbalanced trades, effectively eliminating everyone else from winning the league..
as happened this year...
so normally I would be opposed to having everyone in the playoffs, but with this group of players it might just be a good idea.
Just an observation but the 1st place team didn't make any trades.
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I'm the one who got Foster and to be fair Jahvid Best wasn't injured at the time the trade was accepted. It was my first offer for Foster and I was surprised he accepted it.
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if i was on the EDIT pile of a losing season i would dump my players in a heart beat. its just that simple to me to help someone else than stay EDIT
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The thing you got to remember is this: You may be helping one guy, but you could also be screwing 10 other people at the same time. If you fire sale your team, you hurt the rest of the league and the integrity of the league more than you help the guy who you trade with. When I am having a bad season, I dont accept very many trades at all, and any trade I do accept I do so only with the intentions of making my team better. It is just not a good thing to trade away great players because you are having a bad year. If anything, you should cut the cuttable players and let those that are first in waiver get a crack at them. That would be the most fair way to get rid of great players, but even that is not a very sportsman like action to do.
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i would try and tip the scale and if i cant win im going to try and help one person win that i want to.....
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The thing you got to remember is this: You may be helping one guy, but you could also be screwing 10 other people at the same time. If you fire sale your team, you hurt the rest of the league and the integrity of the league more than you help the guy who you trade with. When I am having a bad season, I dont accept very many trades at all, and any trade I do accept I do so only with the intentions of making my team better. It is just not a good thing to trade away great players because you are having a bad year. If anything, you should cut the cuttable players and let those that are first in waiver get a crack at them. That would be the most fair way to get rid of great players, but even that is not a very sportsman like action to do.
end of thread imo. if the league is going to be this way, then you can replace my spot. dumping your players to a specific person so that they can win, is bush league and pathetic.
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^^ i knew liquid saw differently than me, not only because he doesnt like the patriots
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I agree with Liquid.
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spy33 posted:
^^ i knew liquid saw differently than me, not only because he doesnt like the patriots
i might hate the Pats, but i like you though. 
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Liquid741 posted:
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^^ i knew liquid saw differently than me, not only because he doesnt like the patriots
i might hate the Pats, but i like you though.
 
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