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Just ordered a new DX6I as well as the Phoenix Flight sim. For those who fiddle with this type of stuff, is the sim self explanatory out of the box or are there any mods that it needs to have done to it prior to training?
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It's the combo I'm using right now.
You may need to tweak some settings to better match real life flying.
I had the settings but forgot to save my file before a re-install, so I'll be on the forums getting those setting again also.
Try
http://myrcguide.com/
http://www.helifreak.com/
And ask under the sims.
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Sweet deal. yea I found the helifreak website the other day also. I got some answers there so i'm all good. Looking at picking up an mCP X v2 this weekend.
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Have you flown helio's before?
I wouldn't recommend a CP as a first/training helio. Go FP, cheaper and quicker to fix after a crash, and you will crash- a lot
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I flew a little 3 channel.. just a toy really though. I just got my transmitter and sim in. ben flying around the mCP x with no real problems. Hovering and flying are no issue. Only time it gets out from under me is when I try to do stuff that are way to a advanced, that I wouldn't normally do with an actual craft without more experience. So far on the Phoenix sim I've gotten it to do forward and backward flips as well as rolling to the left and to the right a few times. I've certainly crashed it a few times but mostly due the fact the sim doesn't let me see where the ground in relation to the skyline, a lot of times ;p until it's too late =D
I tried a 120 sr on the sim and did not like it at all. I enjoy the full functionality of a CP much more than FP /coaxial/etc
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I flew a little 3 channel.. just a toy really though. I just got my transmitter and sim in. ben flying around the mCP x with no real problems. Hovering and flying are no issue. Only time it gets out from under me is when I try to do stuff that are way to a advanced, that I wouldn't normally do with an actual craft without more experience. So far on the Phoenix sim I've gotten it to do forward and backward flips as well as rolling to the left and to the right a few times. I've certainly crashed it a few times but mostly due the fact the sim doesn't let me see where the ground in relation to the skyline, a lot of times ;p until it's too late =D
I tried a 120 sr on the sim and did not like it at all. I enjoy the full functionality of a CP much more than FP /coaxial/etc
Good luck, Come back and let me know how it goes.
Like I said, it's nice to crash, pop on a part and be flying again in 5 minutes. CP, if you crash it, you'll spend a min of an hour getting it all set up again.
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Whats a good starter rc helicopter that is not to expensive? I am vaguely interested since keep seeing the shop in Chinatown with them and they range in price from $30 for a tiny lil one to hundreds for a larger one. They even have one that fires nerf missles.
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It really depends on whether you want a toy or a hobby grade RC helicopter.
Not trying to sound like a snob, just there's a big difference.
I bought this for my son. It's a co-axial, but it's a 4 channel- much better than the 3 channel toys. Pretty durable and you can buy parts to fix it after a crash. It's also big enough to handle slight winds outside.
http://www.xheli.com/esbicolarche.html
Co-axials are much easier to fly than a FP-fixed pitch or CP-collective pitch, but they are very limited in what you can do with them.
There are several FP which are good starters. I have a HoneyBee V2 http://www.xheli.com/ne4ches2redh.html
Walkera is another good brand
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Sworks1 posted:
Finkleheimer posted:
I flew a little 3 channel.. just a toy really though. I just got my transmitter and sim in. ben flying around the mCP x with no real problems. Hovering and flying are no issue. Only time it gets out from under me is when I try to do stuff that are way to a advanced, that I wouldn't normally do with an actual craft without more experience. So far on the Phoenix sim I've gotten it to do forward and backward flips as well as rolling to the left and to the right a few times. I've certainly crashed it a few times but mostly due the fact the sim doesn't let me see where the ground in relation to the skyline, a lot of times ;p until it's too late =D
I tried a 120 sr on the sim and did not like it at all. I enjoy the full functionality of a CP much more than FP /coaxial/etc
Good luck, Come back and let me know how it goes.
Like I said, it's nice to crash, pop on a part and be flying again in 5 minutes. CP, if you crash it, you'll spend a min of an hour getting it all set up again.
Was over at my fathers this weekend, flew his 120sr and the mcpx. I've got a lot more practicing on the sim that's for sure, before I definitely make a purchase. On the mcpx I smashed the skids, 1 linkage, and the battery holder. On the 120 sr, it was already pretty banged up so I wasn't getting any forward throttle really. One of the servos was failing we believe. I was able to fly it by the tail like a demon, thanks to the sim I've been using, but the moment the wind got under that flybar, I lost control of it since I didn't have the ability to get that forward throttle and got flustered. The canopy was already badly damaged, but I finished it off... oddly enough that's all I broke there ;p
My father had been having issue with the mcpx himself, it's just really freaking fast for something so small. I managed to get him some settings to tone it down incredibly though so once he gets it back together I think he'll enjoy it more.
He let me take his mcx2 home, little coaxial, already bored with it lol. Was supposed to practice with it to get used to the cyclic movements, but it's just nothing like the FP or CP heli's, which I already knew. Flying the sim is still much better practice for me. 
For the fellow who was interested in picking up heli, just know that if you decide to get in to hobby grade heli's, the $$ adds up quickly when it comes to mods and repairs.
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I bought the $60 U-control Cloud Force from Brookstone because it was available from my local Staples. It was a piece of crapola for the price. Flew 4 times, no serious crashes, and then all it would do was go around in circles (pirouettes)and I could not trim it out. I returned it the next day as defective.
I went to a local hobby shop RC hover on my way home from work that specializes in flying craft and chatted with the two guys there. Very nice guys...very willing to chat and they even juiced up a couple models for a demo. They had the Phoenix sim there set up for people to try and get a feel for the different models they have in stock.
I bought a Blade MCX2 ($129.99 RTF). Bought am extra pair of blades and the flybar. When I got home I installed the supplied AA batteries into the charging unit and charged up the (removable, sweet!) battery while I read the instruction manual. After the battery had charged (took about 10 - 15 minutes) I was up and hovering. This is a really sweet beginner model. This model has two modes on the controller as well as two "modes" on the copter itself. Mode 1 on the copter is less reactive and great for beginning. The other mode allows for faster reactions and finer movement. Maybe the OP needs to change over his mCX2 to the more advanced setting. It came with the 4 channel 2.7 gHz controller not an infrared controller that you need to be in line of sight to be able to control the copter. The controller can be used on other bind and Fly units as I move up in experience.
What a difference between this model and the Brookstone model. I am so glad I didnt try to settle for the cheaper unit. One of my cats is just fascinated with the copter. Gonna give a whirl again tonite after work. Got something new to look forward to now this evening when I get home.
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I hate to say it but I told you so. I'm 10x a better pilot in the sim than I am in real life.
The HoneyBee V2 has been good cost wise on parts. The only problem is that parts get scarce around the Chinese New Year.
I wouldn't waste my time with a co-axial, but a fixed Pitch is that perfect compromise. Fly like a CP without the extra parts in the rotor head. So crashes on a FP are cheaper and don't require a ton of set up time.
You can even do things like the o-ring mod, the replaces the plastic links with o-rings. Slows it down a little and the o-rings don't break in a crash.
If you haven't read this yet, get in the habit of cutting the throttle completely if you see you're about to crash. If you get a HBv2, do the fuse mod before your first flight.
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Sworks1 posted:
I hate to say it but I told you so. I'm 10x a better pilot in the sim than I am in real life.
The HoneyBee V2 has been good cost wise on parts. The only problem is that parts get scarce around the Chinese New Year.
I wouldn't waste my time with a co-axial, but a fixed Pitch is that perfect compromise. Fly like a CP without the extra parts in the rotor head. So crashes on a FP are cheaper and don't require a ton of set up time.
You can even do things like the o-ring mod, the replaces the plastic links with o-rings. Slows it down a little and the o-rings don't break in a crash.
If you haven't read this yet, get in the habit of cutting the throttle completely if you see you're about to crash. If you get a HBv2, do the fuse mod before your first flight.
Oh I had no delusions that the sim was no replacement for real time experience. His 120SR was already jacked so I didn't get a good experience with the FP type of flight. After flying the sim some more last night, I still keep getting drawn to the mcpx.. or maybe a larger CP like a trex 450/550. Those are much more stable than the flighty mcpx. I don't mind the repairs, I enjoy a challenge, and being able to fly the 120 around like I was only being able to fly in reverse basically wasn't as hair raising as the mcpx lol. I feel like I could handle an FP with ease, if it weren't already damage like it was,;p.
I just really need to get an actual model of something(fp or cp) so I can practice cyclic movement in real time because there's just no comparison, even with using the sim.
Mortalis: The MCX2 is good for an indoor down time, and trying to land on the fan or upper cabinets but you can only scrape the skids across the fan blade and dust them so often, before it's old-hat;p The 6 channel radio I have allows me to alter the settings on it, and I've used the following settings:
D/R & EXPO
Be sure Elev D/R switch is in the 0 position to enter the first set of numbers.
AILE 0 75% +20%
ELEV 0 75% +20%
RUD 0 75% +20%
Now flip the Elev D/R switch to 1 to enter the next set of numbers
AILE 1 100% -15%
ELEV 1 100% -15%
RUDD 1 100% -15%
GYRO
RATE SW-GYRO
0: 0.0%
1: <100.0%
Throttle CUR
NORM +POS L 0.0%
pos 2 30.0%
pos 3 45.0%
pos 4 60.0%
pos H 75.0%
STUNT pos L 0.0%
pos 2 40.0%
pos 3 60.0%
pos 4 80.0%
pos H 100.0%
HOLD -0.0%
Travel ADJ
THRO – 100% - 125%
AILE – 125% - 125%
ELEV – 125% - 125%
RUDD – 125% - 125%
GYRO – 100% - 125%
PITC – 100% - 100%
The cyclic movement on the mcx2 isn't nearly as responsive as it is on the 120sr (fp) or the mcpx(cp).
Next time I head over to his place, or if I pick something up before then, I'll record it. I need to find an indoor flying location because it's just been too breezy really to actually do anything outside. Oh and Sworks, should I be cutitng throttle or throwing the throttle hold switch so it doesn't jettison to the ground like a rock? That's been my biggest issue, just knowing when to let go instead of trying to be a hero and save it and causing more damage.
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Well for a fixed pitch you have something called a 4in1 or 3in1. You need to cut the throttle completely before the rotor blades stop. The electrical surge can fry the 4in1.
Look I can't tell you what to do, but I suggest more research. With my honey bee, when I was first learning to hover, when I crashed it would normally just pop the rotor head off. Pop it back on and keep flying.
That isn't going to happen on a CP helio. So when you start out, you'll hover for a few second and boom, now you need parts and a hour or two to fix.
Look CP are so much more complicated that guys are taking larger cp helios and making them FP for the simplicity and stability. You won't be flying inverted for a long time, and that is the biggest difference between CP and FP. (Obviously more to it).
Converted 450 http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=262663
Smaller 250 http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=255024 I have one of these as well as my HBv2
and the big dog a 500 conversion http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=304368
Also, learning to fly the smaller less stable ones will make you that much better of a pilot and cost you less in the long run.
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Does this count, I have one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Air-Hogs-Blue-Sharp-Shooter/dp/B002M8Z0M6/
It even shoots missiles!
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Does this count, I have one of these:
http://www.amazon.com/Air-Hogs-Blue-Sharp-Shooter/dp/B002M8Z0M6/
It even shoots missiles!
no it doesn't. It doesn't count until you're flying something turbine powered and this big.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STdAr1JNXIU
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