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The fallout from Fukushima will tower over Chernobyl
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VANCOUVER—The B.C. government says it will begin working with national and municipal officials this January to prepare for the massive wave of debris heading to Pacific Northwest shores because of the March 11 earthquake and tsunami in Japan.
Meanwhile, residents in the B.C. coastal community of Tofino are bracing themselves for the sad arrival of detritus from the devastating disaster, even while they debate amongst themselves whether the ruins have already started reaching the shore.
Julianne McCaffrey, a spokeswoman for the Emergency Management B.C., part of the Ministry of Public Safety and Solicitor General, has confirmed the government is creating a Provincial Tsunami Debris Working Group.
She said the arrival of the debris, which some experts have argued covers an area the size of California, has raised some “complex jurisdictional issues,†which the working group will clarify, so officials hope to identify key members by Jan. 6
“In most cases, the federal government has authority in the water and immediate shorelines, and in most cases the local authority becomes the lead if the debris washes ashore in areas above the high tide line,†McCaffrey said in an email to The Canadian Press.
“Occasionally, in the case of hazardous or human remains, it becomes provincial jurisdiction — which has not happened, so we cannot speak to hazards or issues that do not exist.â€
The provincial government’s announcement comes as one U.S. expert confirms some flotsam, like 250-litre Japanese fishing buoys, has already landed on Pacific Northwest shores between Oregon and Alaska.
Computer models produced by the International Pacific Research Center at the University of Hawaii had predicted that by the end of September, the debris field was still about 483 kilometres northwest of the Midway Islands, but scientists confirmed in a December website posting that some objects, like the fishing floats, could have already arrived in Washington state.
Meantime, locals in Tofino, B.C., located on the West Coast of Vancouver Island, wonder whether or not flotsam — like plastic water bottles with Japanese writing, toothbrushes and even socks tied to the tsunami — has already arrived.
The massive flotsam field is tied to the magnitude-9.0 earthquake and subsequent tsunami that struck Japan March 11, a double disaster that left as many as 21,000 people dead and washed millions of tonnes of debris into the Pacific Ocean.
The tsunami also swamped the Fukushima nuclear-power plant, leading to fears that some of the debris could be contaminated by radioactive material.
Curtis Ebbesmeyer, an oceanographer from Seattle, Wash., said he has confirmed that as many as six fishing buoys have washed ashore between mid-Oregon and Alaska and are tied to the Japanese tsunami.
Ebbesmeyer said he has sent photos of the buoys to a Japanese news wire service, which has passed the photos on to fishermen who have themselves consulted with locals.
He said those locals have identified the buoys as coming from oyster farms along the Japanese coast where the tsunami struck.
Ebbesmeyer said he has received a less-than-positive reaction to his warnings that some of the tsunami debris is already here.
“I just feel like Paul Revere riding around and no lights come on in the house because that’s what’s happening,†he said.
Perry Schmunk, mayor of Tofino, B.C., said he has no doubt that some of the debris he found on a recent beach walk with his family is tied to the tsunami. He plant to introduce a resolution to council this January calling for support from more senior levels of government.
Schmunk said everything he has found has Japanese writing on it.
“The most alarming thing is in 10 minutes I saw more debris than I’ve seen in four years total,†he said.
Schmunk said a town like Tofino is not equipped to deal with such a massive influx of flotsam, noting it doesn’t have enough staff nor enough space in the local landfill.
“I am ... of the opinion that we need to be prepared for the worst,†he said. “Let’s say hypothetically that debris field does stay intact and makes it all the way right to our shores, then we need to be able deal with it.â€
Yet others in town are not entirely convinced flotsam from the tsunami has arrived.
Jean-Paul Froment, a local surf shop owner, said while the bottles he’s seen have Chinese, not Japanese writing on them, the lumber he’s found on local beaches has Japanese markings.
Froment said in the past month, more than 50 pieces of lumber with Japanese marking have washed ashore, far more than normal, and locals are talking about how much debris is arriving.
“It is originating from Japan. Again, how it got here, who knows,†he said, noting it could be coming from boats, freighters or the tsunami.
Jeff Mikus, a commercial fisherman for more than 20 years, said he’s definitely not convinced the flotsam is from the tsunami, saying he hasn’t seen any more debris on the shores or in the water than normal.
“I think people are just looking more now because, you know, it’s coming,†he said. “People are more aware of it so they start seeing stuff on the beach and they think, ‘oh, God,’ and they see a little bit of, you know, some kind of Asian writing of some sort,†he said.
Mikus said he regularly finds plastic floats, corks, water bottles and shampoo bottles, and added that most of the fishing gear he buys in B.C. is made in Japan and has Japanese markings on it.
Mikus also said people forget how many ships pass Vancouver Island and some of the debris could be coming from them.
“You’d think you’d see a lot of stuff that would have a lot more growth on it, algae and barnacles and whatnot after floating around in the ocean that long,†he added. “The few pictures I’ve seen of stuff doesn’t look like it’s been in the water that long.â€
Mikus said he believes the bulk of the flotsam is still a long way away.
“There might be a massive cleanup going on here in a year or two.â€
Ebbesmeyer, too, said he’s not yet convinced the flotsam that’s washing ashore on Vancouver Island is from the tsunami.
“I saw pictures of that debris and I couldn’t tell either,†he said.
“It doesn’t look like the debris I’m talking about. I’m talking about much larger debris, the size of 55 gallon drums, which has been positively identified. I couldn’t identify that debris as being other than sort of local debris or debris from fishing vessels or perhaps debris from cruise ships.â€
He said he agrees with Tofino residents that the issue is very confusing.
Ebbesmeyer said he’s concerned that some of the debris washing ashore on Pacific Northwest beaches could be contaminated by radioactive material, suggesting Tofino should have at least one Geiger counter to measure radioactivity.
He also said people should be respectful of what they find, which could also include human remains and sentimental objects, like pictures in wooden frames protected by plastics.
“It’s not just trash,†he said. “It’s the lives of 20,000 loved ones and their families that’s arriving. It’s a crash scene. It’s the scene of an immense jet airliner that’s crashed, albeit late over here. You know. Be respectful. Treat it as a crash scene, a crime scene and go about it very, very carefully.â€
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So we can, in fact, have their stuff.
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I wonder if there are any Ipads in that floating flotilla.
Can we redirect it to iran?
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It's not clear whether the OP is for this or against this.
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So we can, in fact, have their stuff.
Awesome
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I skimmed "Paul" in the article and hoped Ron Paul was interviewed on the issue.
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You think there are any Homosexuals in there?
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Mangler_SC posted:
notmforce2k posted:
So we can, in fact, have their stuff.
Awesome
yup thats definitely a /win post
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if i found something of sentimental value i would try to find the owner in japan, be it in newspaper ads or the consulate.
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if i found something sentimental, i'd take a picture of it with index's balls on it and put it in newspaper ads for them.
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you cut em off?!
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yes. i geld all of my house guests.
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did his voice get higher?
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Did ron Paul predict this?
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I'm glad no one really pays attention to the troll anymore.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ_fO8BSPZo&feature=player_detailpage#t=15s
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Mangler_SC posted:
notmforce2k posted:
So we can, in fact, have their stuff.
Awesome
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I wonder what kind of cool sh*t people are gonna find. jewelry boxes, etc.
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I hope Reon Kadena washes up on my doorstep 
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time to dig out the metal detector and go hunting!
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Jezza_Belle posted:
time to dig out the metal detector and go hunting!
You so silly. Anime and hello kitty merchandise aren't metal.
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Fozzie_Bear posted:
Jezza_Belle posted:
time to dig out the metal detector and go hunting!
You so silly. Anime and hello kitty merchandise aren't metal.
Those are things that are easily spotted in a heap of trash as big as California though.
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Caoilin posted:
if i found something sentimental, i'd take a picture of it with index's balls on it and put it in newspaper ads for them.
I would proudly model my balls on something sentimental
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