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or just the religious right's wet dream? 
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well that's a totally awesome picture too.
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SykoSoul posted:
edit: honestly I just missed this picture.
*flashback initiated*
Edit: and back on topic, I have relatives that totally believe it is a choice. Like there is a button to push or osmenthe. I don't like talking to them much...
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i don't understand how anyone can believe it's a choice. can you just up and choose to be gay? no? shocking.
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The reason they believe it is a choice is so they can 'save' the gays. In Christianity, the more saved converts the better.
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i don't understand how anyone can believe it's a choice. can you just up and choose to be gay? no? shocking.
I don't know why ANYONE would choose to be persecuted if they could simply just be like... yeah, yesterday I thought I wanted a penis in my butt, although today I'm gonna go ahead and ask Mary Sue to marry me instead. It feels like the right choice.
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Best? No.
Accurate? Very!
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i've known some who have chosen to be gay (specifically lesbian) but it was due to things like rape/sexual abuse by relatives or some other traumatic experience
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You have a choice whether you perform homosexual acts.
Which is why a large population of prison inmates engage is homosexual sex.
Or do you think people that go to prison are genetically predisposed to homosexual acts?
Almost all abnormal human behavior can be attributed to chemical imbalances in the brain.
Logically, this means that homosexuality is likely some kind of chemical imbalance in the brain.
Like most chemical imbalances, this could likely be treated with drugs.
We should be researching this, and helping those that don't want to be different.
But it's far easier to make them a protected class, and sing "Baby I was born this way".
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I just LOLed in a customers ear when I saw this
yeah. thats pretty epic. just when i thought i'd seen it all i spotted pedobear stalking in the background too 
on the topic at hand...i think people fall in love with whoever they fall in love with, gender notwithstanding, and thats fine. the only gays i have issues with are the ones i'd have issues with if they were straight...if your going to grab ass in public get a f**king room. your not advertising the fact your proudly gay by doing that your advertising the fact you don't have any concept of being considerate of the people around you. the mother walking by with her little kid doesn't want to explain what your doing to her kid any more than she'd want to explain it if you were hetero.
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Rodriks_Fury posted:
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AMG!!! A lobstrosity!!!!111!
it's probably delicious with melted butter
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It being a choice is irrelevant. Because it's a natural desire doesn't make it ok. Men are born with a lot of natural predispositions that are socially and culturally immoral and deviant.
Personally I dont give a crap. Be gay, its fine with me. Its not really my business anyway. To each his/her own. But don't try and argue it isn't deviant behavior. Personally I wish that govt would get out of the marriage business. Let gays marry, I don't care. While were at it, polygamy should be legal too. Nothing wrong with multiple consenting adults sharing marriage privileges.
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I smiled when I saw TUG's icon.
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Personally I wish that govt would get out of the marriage business. Let gays marry, I don't care. While were at it, polygamy should be legal too. Nothing wrong with multiple consenting adults sharing marriage privileges.
i agree with this part.
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I respect that marriage WAS a religious practice, but as long as the Government wants to interfere with tax breaks, visitation rights, etc etc.. then they cannot discriminate against a group of people that by most accounts DO (whether people like TUG like to admit it or not) gain a trait by birth. The more we begin make the connection that it's not a choice for everyone, the more it is merely an act of discrimination which is illegal in the USA.
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I respect that marriage WAS a religious practice, but as long as the Government wants to interfere with tax breaks, visitation rights, etc etc.. then they cannot discriminate against a group of people that by most accounts DO (whether people like TUG like to admit it or not) gain a trait by birth. The more we begin make the connection that it's not a choice for everyone, the more it is merely an act of discrimination which is illegal in the USA.
No gay gene has ever been found, after an exhaustive search trying to shove it down people's throats.
No child comes out of the womb being attracted to boys OR girls. Children aren't sexual at all, pervert.
I'm for gay rights. I don't care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home.
You think because my opinion on homosexuality is different, I "hate" gays. The ignorance you're accusng me of is quite amusingly all yours.
If only we could detect stupidity in the womb. We might have been able to treat you with drugs.
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No gay gene has been found therefore one does not exist. Meanwhile all sorts of sexuality has been discovered to be determined partly/mostly by genetics. Let's just assume homosexuality isn't genetic, though.
And it's also true apparently, that if some people commit homosexuality by choice (like inmates, who perform a quite particular form of intercourse, and many would exclusively have sex with women if they were released), that means all homosexuality is a choice.
How can you argue against such internet A+++ reasoning?
And marriage never was a religious practice. It is a cultural tradition, and has been practiced in all sorts of cultures, including non-religious ones.
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No gay gene has been found therefore one does not exist. Meanwhile all sorts of sexuality has been discovered to be determined partly/mostly by genetics. Let's just assume homosexuality isn't genetic, though.
And it's also true apparently, that if some people commit homosexuality by choice (like inmates, who perform a quite particular form of intercourse, and many would likely exclusively have sex with women if they were released), that means all homosexuality is a choice.
How can you argue against such internet A+++ reasoning?
Congratulations on not reading anything I've posted.
I didn't say you had a choice in being gay. I said you had a choice in engaging in homosexual acts. Not SOME people have a choice, ALL people have a choice. How many black people can choose to be black?
As far as gay gene and genetics, your entire statement is a waffle. Partly/mostly? You might as well just say you're full of chit.
As I said before, no child comes out of the womb being attracted to boys OR girls.
All our behavior is affected in one way or another by genetics. And that's what homosexuality is...a behavior.
You don't like it...that's too bad. It's still the truth.
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So your argument is that no gene has been found so it doesn't exist. In a of the exhaustive what, MAYBE coupld of decades searching?
So according to you there are no aliens, certainly no God, no black matter, and no evolution through history. All of these searches have been going on for much longer and yielded nothing so we should give up.
You really are brilliant. And by brilliant I mean ignorant, which is everything wrong with society. If it were up to you we wouldnt research anything that cannot be proven immediately. Your old, busted way of thinking has no place in modern society except to help single you out as a bigot. Don't venture too far outside of your cubicle, bigot. You might actually learn something.
Remember that magical day you decided to be attracted to women? You clearly made a choice to desire women and find certain traits attractive. Please, walk us through it.
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levgre posted:
No gay gene has been found therefore one does not exist. Meanwhile all sorts of sexuality has been discovered to be determined partly/mostly by genetics. Let's just assume homosexuality isn't genetic, though.
And it's also true apparently, that if some people commit homosexuality by choice (like inmates, who perform a quite particular form of intercourse, and many would likely exclusively have sex with women if they were released), that means all homosexuality is a choice.
How can you argue against such internet A+++ reasoning?
Congratulations on not reading anything I've posted.
I didn't say you had a choice in being gay. I said you had a choice in engaging in homosexual acts. Not SOME people have a choice, ALL people have a choice. How many black people can choose to be black?
As far as gay gene and genetics, your entire statement is a waffle. Partly/mostly? You might as well just say you're full of chit.
As I said before, no child comes out of the womb being attracted to boys OR girls.
All our behavior is affect in one way or another by genetics. And that's what homosexuality is...a behavior.
You don't like it...that's too bad. It's still the truth.
A person can also abstain from heterosexual sex their whole life. Your differentiation of "being homosexual" and "performing homosexual acts" is totally, 100% irrelevant to this debate. There is no worthwhile point to be drawn from your distinction here.
You don't think sexuality, in general, is strongly linked with genetics? I can't believe you're that clueless.
And it's absurd to state "children aren't sexual when they are born" as if you are actually making a point. Genetic code is carried out throughout a human's life, applying your same horrible grasp of genetics, one could never believe that male balding is genetic, as there is no onset until adulthood. One could not believe that genes instruct the human body to generate hormones at puberty.
Homosexuality/heterosexuality are not behaviors. They are traits. Sexual desires inspire the behavior.
It's astounding how hollow your arguments are.
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What TUG did is say that what a baby is capable of at one day old is all it will ever be capable of.
It can't prepare food or produce eggs/semen either, genius, but it develops. What a ridiculous statement to make. And we live and work alongside people like this.
People like TUG are incapable of appreciating most things in life, but in this case he cannot appreciate the complexity of a human being. It's not a behavior, dummy. It is about attraction, desire, love, arousal, and actions both voluntary and involuntary. That is a little more complex than behaving a certain way.
And it is not a truth just because you say it. Give a source. Who has concluded that it is a truth (ie fact) and more importantly why is this debate still happening if it has been proven? You've got nothing.
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MFarce: Now you're doing what Levgre is doing, not reading a word I've said.
I think we should be researching ALL aspects of homosexuality. Not just as a genetic certainty, but as a treatable mental disease, a chemical imbalance, or any other feasible condition that isn't *set in stone* genetics.
I think all avenues should be open to research, not just socially acceptable ones...
levgre: You're making my point for me. A person can abstain from all sex. A person can't abstain from their race. Or their gender.
As I said above, virtually everything is strongly linked to genetics. But there is no one big gene that makes you gay. Like one that makes you black. All your behaviors are somewhat determined by genetics. But behaviors are able to be changed. You can train yourself to be left handed. You can't train yourself to have blue eyes. You can't train yourself to have blonde hair.
Your comment about sexuality being a trait is inaccurate. It's difficult to explain to someone as close minded as yourself, but sexuality is based on how the brain reacts to pleasure.
Sex is a behavior. Period. End of story. Any person can CHOOSE to have sex with any person.
Attaction, desire, love, arousal...etc are chemical reactions in the brain based on a set of variables.
This all leads back to my original point that "being gay" is far more likely a chemical imbalance in the brain. It's not an assault on gay people.
The fact that the two of you can't differentiate that, and accuse me of hate speech or ignorance just proves your own ignorance.
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Awwwwwww ****. Ignorance bomb gone off in heeeya.
But seriously, you are saying sex is a behavior but everything associated with it are variables. Being gay is not just sex, which is what you're calling a behavior. Being gay includes all those other variables. I don't get why you can't see that.
I could just as easily turn this whole thing back on you saying that no gay chemical has been found, so despite your years of trying to cram that belief down our throats it's simply not true.
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Awwwwwww ****. Ignorance bomb gone off in heeeya.
But seriously, you are saying sex is a behavior but everything associated with it are variables. Being gay is not just sex, which is what you're calling a behavior. Being gay includes all those other variables. I don't get why you can't see that.
I could just as easily turn this whole thing back on you saying that no gay chemical has been found, so despite your years of trying to cram that belief down our throats it's simply not true.
Well at least this time you partially get it....
Yes. Sex is a behavior. And everything YOU associate with sex are variables.
Attraction, desire, arousal....these are all emotions that are activated in pleasure centers in your brain.
You don't need love or desire to have sex. The US Prison system proves that.
In Ancient Greece, a large number of the population engaged in homosexual sex. Was it because they were genetically predisposed? Of course not. It was a societal variable. It was about pleasure. That doesn't mean that Ancient Greeks were all gay, they just cared more about what activated the pleasure centers of their brain.
More people aren't gay now than in the 1950s, it's just that societal pressure has eased up. It's not a religious abomination anymore, so more people are trying it.
No matter what you say, you have to admit the truth: Some people CHOOSE to be different. Some people like being a unique flower.
We all know a flamboyant gay guy. We all know someone who behaves completely normal and you would never guess he/she was gay.
One thing about behavior and genetics...everyone is different.
But there is just too much evidence to prove that gay people are not "born this way" Regardless of what Gaga says.
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Evidence, please.
I'm sure there is stuff out there, I'm just curious to see it. I want to see this evidence and how it can conclusively rule out anything but choice.
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Wow... your conception of sexuality is so ridiculously defunct and antiquated that it is no wonder you spout such nonsense.
Sexuality is not a trait?... pick up a book instead of using the wind coming out of your rear as the primary authority in this scientific field.
All you do is repeat yourself and try to assure everyone that your same asinine points are still right.
Yes the Greeks choose a culture of homosexuality, as do prison inmates. This is no evidence against the fact that some people may be born strictly homosexual. All it shows is that people can nurture an appreciation of homosexuality based off of the pleasure signals generated by it.
This has nothing to do with people who have a brain that causes them to be attracted to the same sex before they even perform one sexual act in their life. Sexuality is complex. Motivations are psychological, chemical, genetic, and more.
Think up a real argument. Not some flimsy reasoning imagined by your insatiable ego.
I'll admit some people choose to be different, and some do so by behaving gay. So what? Again this has nothing to do with those who never made the choice to switch over.
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You're being purposely obtuse.
Nothing conclusively rules out anything. There is only anecdotal evidence, even if there is an abundance of it.
Hence my call for research.
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Lev, you haven't found a single hole in my argument. Hell you agree with me more than you don't.
You hope that a couple of insults, and a blanket conclusion based on things I haven't even said prove your non-existent point.
You are the epitome of a forum troll.
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Not to mention, you two would disagree with me no matter what I said. If I said that the Earth is round, you'd find a way to argue that it's flat.
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Your argument is full of holes. You don't apply logical reasoning, you grossly misapply definitions(or make up your own on the fly).
You just can't imagine yourself as being wrong. I'd have no issue with being wrong on this issue if evidence or argument proved otherwise. I wouldn't even care if I agree with you on 98% of issues, I just know you are ignorant on this one. You've made many laughable claims in this thread.
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So once again, two replies later, still nothing. Just this claim that there is an "abundance". Why are you having such a hard time producing just one?
And stop deflecting. You're unnecessarily personalizing it with the character accusations. We HAD a nice debate going on but now you're falling back into the character attacks. Stop it and focus. Stop saying I would disagree with you and make me agree. Win the debate. Post something that supports your claim.
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TheUnholyGhost posted:
You have a choice whether you perform homosexual acts.
Which is why a large population of prison inmates engage is homosexual sex.
Or do you think people that go to prison are genetically predisposed to homosexual acts?
Illogical argument number one.
Group A makes choice B
Group A is obviously not genetically predisposed to choice B because... Okay you are fine up to here
Therefore it is also a choice for Person C And suddenly off the deep end into fallacious arguing and poor conclusions! So many skipped steps, so little support given.
That is how far I had to read to find your first display of ignorance. But more crammed right afterwards.
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Almost all abnormal human behavior can be attributed to chemical imbalances in the brain. okay, you follow the biological model for psychology very strictly, there are many varieties of abnormal behavior and chemical imbalances may not even account for half of them
Like most chemical imbalances, this could likely be treated with drugs. This is where you go off the deep end, chemical imbalance does not = abnormal human behavior, the majority of abnormal human behavior cannot be treated by drugs
We should be researching this, and helping those that don't want to be different. there certainly are scientists studying the brain chemistry of homosexuals and there has been no conclusion that it is a chemical imbalance.
How about you start over from the beginning and try to make a real argument?
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My argument is PURE logic, what are you talking about?
How can you say that I can't imagine myself as wrong, when I'm not claiming to be right??? I came to a logical conclusion based on anecdotal evidence I've already posted half a dozen times in this thread. I repeat myself to draw your attention to your misinterpretation of my posts, and in the next post I get accused of "saying the same thing over and over." lol
Am I right? I have no idea. That's why I'm calling for research into homosexuality as a treatable chemical imbalance in the brain.
Could I be wrong? Absolutely, there hasn't been near enough research on homosexuality to come to a "I'm right, you're wrong" conclusion.
It's my opinion. A vast majority of the time, my opinions turn out to be right. I'm betting this one will as well.
Bottom line, these are facts:
Ancient Greece practiced homosexual sex as a society. (Ancient Rome as well)
Prison inmates practice homosexual sex at a majorly increased rate.
No child comes out of the womb "desiring" any sex over the other.
Sex (The physical act) itself is a behavior. It's not a feeling. It's not an emotion. It's a behavior. Period.
Love, desire, attraction, arousal are all emotions directly related to pleasure centers in the brain.
Based on these facts, I've drawn logical conclusions that it's unlikely that a gay gene exists. I've concluded that if someone's pleasure center of their brain is not acting normally, there is a chemical or neurological problem that could potentially be treated with drugs.
Tell me, where in all of that, I'm insulting gays, making up definitions, or not applying logical reasoning.
I'm not defending my conclusions to any kind of peer review, I'm simply killing time at work, until my 2PM tee time. Could I provide more data to support my conclusions? Absolutely. Am I willing to spend 20 minutes citing medical and historical facts to two people who'd disagree with me no matter what I said? No. 
Attack my ideas. Provide any kind of proof that indicates otherwise. At least I differentiate between my opinions and facts. You simply consider your opinions and assumptions as facts and hope that somehow that will "win you" an unwinable argument.
Lunch time.
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TheUnholyGhost posted:
Ancient Greece practiced homosexual sex as a society. (Ancient Rome as well)Irrelevant, choice made by some does not mean choice made for others
Prison inmates practice homosexual sex at a majorly increased rate. Irrelevant, above
No child comes out of the womb "desiring" any sex over the other. Irrelevant, genetics do not trigger solely at birth, sexuality does not manifest until later. You've done nothing to refute the documented cases of people always being homosexual
Sex (The physical act) itself is a behavior. It's not a feeling. It's not an emotion. It's a behavior. Period.Irrelevant. Yes the physical act of sex is 'behavior'. Irrelevant to this debate, which is on the motivation.
Love, desire, attraction, arousal are all emotions directly related to pleasure centers in the brain. Okay yes, these emotions emerge in the brain? In specific areas of the our segmented brains? You don't say..
Based on these facts, I've drawn logical conclusions that it's unlikely that a gay gene exists.A bunch of irrelevant facts and an 8th grade summary of how emotions work I've concluded that if someone's pleasure center of their brain is not acting normally, there is a chemical or neurological problem that could potentially be treated with drugs. Okay you've concluded that the biological model of psychology should continue to be taken into consideration
Tell me, where in all of that, I'm insulting gays, making up definitions, or not applying logical reasoning.Assuming that a trait is a chemical imbalance is generally accepted as insulting. You not so much make up definitions as incorrectly use and switch between them. I've pointed out the numerous occasions where you don't actually supply a logical argument but write a statement from which the conclusion does not follow
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Gays need to resub to the human race and stop trying to be different.
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Talk about not reading someone's post... LOL. You lobbed that charge out at us and now, after I specifically called you out for saying I disagree simply by default, you're continuing to say it.
And we have gone a third request denied for proof.
Now I know why you believe so strongly in this are archaic opinion... it's all you have. You refuse to acknowledge that a large portion of the medical and scientific communities disagree with you. You refuse to acknowledge any change or progress in science, so you cling to your one opinion.
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In most cases I don't believe it is a choice but I don't believe you are born that way either.
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I remember in High School health classes they told us masturbation was a Homosexual act.
I don't consider myself Homosexual. Maybe an A-sexual Alien Tribble.
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Epic.
Spartans get laid!
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This is a long lunch break.
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This is a long lunch break.
Lunch...followed by a 2PM tee-time.
Which lends even more weight to my comment that you don't read what I post.
Thank you for proving my point.....yet again.
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Nah, forget the request. This is at least the fourth time that you've deflected. You don't have anything.
Just passing time in that awesome cube waiting to go pass time in life. Hopefully less bigoted. Keep on keepin on, I guess.
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I've answered every question and request you've put forth. I've not deflected a thing. Because you don't read/understand it, I fail to see how that's my problem...
If we could have an answer to something, perhaps it should be: How does my opinion make me a "bigot"?
I'll go ahead and expect you to ignore this one. Ignorance must be fun, you sure practice it a lot.
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Nah, forget the request. This is at least the fourth time that you've deflected. You don't have anything.
Just passing time in that awesome cube waiting to go pass time in life. Hopefully less bigoted. Keep on keepin on, I guess.
That's so zen Mforce.
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Oh sweetie, that's just not true. You have ignored and deflected at every turn and your complete inability to concede a point (as in for as long as you have been on vn or known anyone who has ever posted on vn) just shows that's you don't play well with others.
I use that term because you exercise a preconceived, ignorant notion about a group of people. It's polite and all that you say you don't care what they do, but then you label them imbalanced or mentally ill. Your total unwillingness to learn or change makes that the opinion of a bigot.
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Someone hasn't been paying attention. I concede things when I'm wrong. This just doesn't happen a lot. 
As far as THIS issue, if you had read anything I've said, you would see that I can't definitively say I'm right OR wrong.
I've drawn logical conclusions based on facts, history, and some anecdotal evidence. I'm smart enough to know that this does not mean my conclusion is 100% accurate.
Which is why I called for research.
You call my "notion" ignorant, but you don't know whether it's right or wrong. You've made up your mind with limited evidence, and nothing other than a "feeling" about what could be correct based on your vast life experience.
And in further confirmation of my opinion that you're mentally handicapped, you can't see that I NEVER labeled gays as mentally ill, just raised the possibility that homosexual attraction was a chemical imbalance in the brain.
How any of that equates to being a bigot is beyond me.
You want to attack, you want to be right with me, and I'm sorry cupcake...it's just not going to happen. You're punching above your weight.
Try again.
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See, you can type that all that you want but when your only information is from some 'history' and people you have dealt with, that isn't exactly an objective sample. Who knows who you have seen or talked to. They could be an extremely skewed person/people to gain an opinion from.
And talk about reading.... lol. It is some kind of weird safe word for you yet you completely failed to recognize what I posted. I specifically acknowledged your opinions and that you don't act intolerant. Why you are playing the victim on that by reiterating your stance to me doesn't make sense. I already gave you that point. Much like I dismissed being combative with you regardless of topic. That simply isn't true, but that doesn't stop you from playing victim.
The deflection is funny and all but I was hoping for some kind of debate here. Oh well.
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That was a very articulate post Mforce. I think you've won the debate if Ghost doesn't have a response to give...
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For the record... I do believe TUG has some decent points in this argument, if you don't look for ultimatums.
It is true that love, attraction, desire, etc are all chemical reactions in the brain. It is entirely possible that homosexuality is a misfire in the brain or some wiring that's not working as intended. After all our central focus should be on continuing our species, which requires reproduction. ... However, we as a society are well beyond any real danger of extinction. We also understand sex for pleasure not procreation... hell, we've spent more money on reducing procreation than I can even fathom. As such, even if we were to discover that being homosexual is a different wiring in the brain, I don't think that you should label it as something that needs to be fixed.
The research into it and other attractions would be quite beneficial though. Imagine if we knew that attraction was based on how certain chemicals react in your brain, and were then able to "treat" them to bring you back to the "Norm". You may not want to "treat" homosexuality; but what about pedophilia, zoophilia, or even cases of sadomasochism?
As it stands now we have no real answer, but we have a lot of opinions. It's possible that it is genetic, or social, or a choice. It's possible that it is all three together. I don't think we should stifle any research simply because we're afraid of the answers. However, I do think that if the answers are found we should be prepared to face them.
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