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The thought of buying the game crossed my mind today.. That is until I saw it was 80$. At that price there should be 2 free months..
Would the game be worth buying?
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It looked like a nice game. Seemed polished, ran great, looked good. The voice dialog helped me follow the story line and quests (since I usually wont' take the time to read it myself).
My problem is it's super linear and I don't like that in MMOs and the PvP was pretty crappy (from my limited experience in the Warfronts).
If the game was much cheaper, I'd probably subscribe to it a few months. But no way am I paying $80 for a subscription game (at least not again after I did that with Warhammer Online, haha).
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It's worth it to run through it once as a single player RPG. Whether it offers you more than that is a matter of playstyle and taste.
As for the price, Amazon has it for $60.
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Just depends. I got into beta and didn't last long. More of the same with Star Wars skins.
MMO's just aren't doing anything new. Hopefully someone will come along and break the current mold for MMOS
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Guild Wars 2 seems like it may be heading down that path, I hope it will go into beta soon so we can hear more about it from the general public.
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Guild Wars 2 seems like it may be heading down that path, I hope it will go into beta soon so we can hear more about it from the general public.
Indeed. All the hype sounds amazing, I can only hope that the hype is real.
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SWTOR is 60 bucks. There are 3 different versions of SWTOR $60 (nothing special in it), $80 (special in game items), collector edition.
I didn't play in SWTOR beta, but I did buy the game. As of right now the game seems decent, there really isn't anything special about the game that I could say makes this game awesome or unique, it just seems like another MMO with a star wars environment. I am only lvl 22 right now, so I don't have a lot of experience with the game.
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saw it for $55 at the game store yesterday and no it is not worth it. i only played the beta but it was not very exciting. i think its gonna wither after the first month like all the other recent mmos, tho it will probably retain a bit more than the others.
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The thought of buying the game crossed my mind today.. That is until I saw it was 80$. At that price there should be 2 free months..
Would the game be worth buying?
Provided you don't outright hate it and play it for more than 20-30 hours, then it is "worth" the entertainment dollar.
What you are really asking for is if we can tell you that you will like the game and the answer is, we can't. It is a MMO and MMO's are too complex for one person to really give a good opinion to another. There are people that still play Ultima Online for example.
For my 2 cents, I think the game is "good" but will it have staying power? No idea. I don't want to get into the 20's and then get bored and quit but I don't know what the case will be.
I would ignore the people who say it sucks or say it is the best game ever.
As for Guild Wars 2, well, my opinion on GW2 is the same is is with everything:
Prove it.
It seems every new game coming out is "going to kick ass" and few ever do. GW1 was not my style of MMO so they have a LOT to prove to me with GW2.
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The reason I thought the game was 80$ was because thats what I saw in the Origin store.
I will think about it a few more days before I decide. I like Star Wars and MMOs.. Will hit up some more youtube videos.
Never got to try the beta so the opinions are appreciated.
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The reason I thought the game was 80$ was because thats what I saw in the Origin store.
I will think about it a few more days before I decide. I like Star Wars and MMOs.. Will hit up some more youtube videos.
Never got to try the beta so the opinions are appreciated.
Did you like KOTOR?
Do you like directed story paths?
Are you the guy who plays through quests in WoW and enjoys them?
Do you dislike Sandbox MMO's?
Does the Star Wars Music turn you on?
Do you love the Star Wars fiction?
If you answer yes to at least 3 of those and you are not burned out on MMO's, you will probably enjoy SWTOR for a while.
All the negatives for the game come down to just one thing:
Everybody was expecting MORE and are let down because the game doesn't deliver any great new evolutionary steps for MMO's aside from Speech, which while great, doesn't change game dynamics much.
This game was super hyped until the last 9 months when EA carefully started to ease off on the hype, but the damage had been done and everybody was expecting the second coming of "WoW".
I think SWTOR will do great especially for those who are new to MMO's but I greatly question the staying power for veterans such as myself.
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I also like their twist on crafting.
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SWTOR is 60 bucks. There are 3 different versions of SWTOR $60 (nothing special in it), $80 (special in game items), collector edition.
I didn't play in SWTOR beta, but I did buy the game. As of right now the game seems decent, there really isn't anything special about the game that I could say makes this game awesome or unique, it just seems like another MMO with a star wars environment. I am only lvl 22 right now, so I don't have a lot of experience with the game.
Yeah, but then if you don't get the $80 CE, you feel like you are getting ripped off. Hate when games do this junk. Even $60 though, to me, is over priced for a subscription game. I'd have to really be inlove with the game to pay that. I might pay that for GW2, but not this. 
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GW1 was not my style of MMO
That might have something to do with the fact that Guild Wars wasn't really a MMO at all. 
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SWTOR is 60 bucks. There are 3 different versions of SWTOR $60 (nothing special in it), $80 (special in game items), collector edition.
I didn't play in SWTOR beta, but I did buy the game. As of right now the game seems decent, there really isn't anything special about the game that I could say makes this game awesome or unique, it just seems like another MMO with a star wars environment. I am only lvl 22 right now, so I don't have a lot of experience with the game.
Yeah, but then if you don't get the $80 CE, you feel like you are getting ripped off. Hate when games do this junk. Even $60 though, to me, is over priced for a subscription game. I'd have to really be inlove with the game to pay that. I might pay that for GW2, but not this.
yep. quite frankly, i feel like subscription games should be free and you just pay monthly. like $15 to "buy" it and $15 a month for the rest of the months you play. you pay a retarded amount each year for games that are hardly updated in a significant way and you're paying $50-$60 up front and you get one month "free"? that's fking retarded. either charge the up front price and don't ask me for an over priced fee for maintaining a server or give me the game and make me pay for it monthly. i understand that ea spent an asston of money making swtor but it's not worth $60. and it damn sure isn't worth $180 a year to play.
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it's not worth $60. and it damn sure isn't worth $180 a year to play.
Then don't play it. Simple as that. No-one is forcing you to do so.
I have no sympathy for the modern "everything for nothing" crowd. Why should a subscription game be free? Why do people persist in the notion that a subscription is only covering the server maintenance? The cost of developing, running and evolving online games is huge and contrary to what a good many of the f2p crowd believe, it has to be paid for somehow. What is free, however, is the choice whether to play them or not.
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Beta tested SWTOR from Dec last year to Nov this year and I wont be buying the game even though I am a huge Star Wars fan.
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It's worth it to run through it once as a single player RPG. Whether it offers you more than that is a matter of playstyle and taste.
As for the price, Amazon has it for $60.
This.
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It's worth it to run through it once as a single player RPG. Whether it offers you more than that is a matter of playstyle and taste.
As for the price, Amazon has it for $60.
This.
Difference is Skyrim is just sitting on my PC while I'm having a busy time at work not costing me anything. TOR as a single player RPG will continue to cost you $15 a month until you finish it. That's not really a great sales tactic.
I've read about GW2, seen the panel discussions on youtube. Hopefully, what they want to do translates into the game. However at this point I remain skeptical. We'll see.
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Difference is Skyrim is just sitting on my PC while I'm having a busy time at work not costing me anything. TOR as a single player RPG will continue to cost you $15 a month until you finish it.
That pre-supposes you're willing to pay a recurring monthly subscription for a game you don't have the time to play. That's your choice.
Like SWTOR, Skyrim will cost you more once you start playing it, however, because you'll have to pay for the additional downloadable content.
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it's not worth $60. and it damn sure isn't worth $180 a year to play.
Then don't play it. Simple as that. No-one is forcing you to do so.
I have no sympathy for the modern "everything for nothing" crowd. Why should a subscription game be free? Why do people persist in the notion that a subscription is only covering the server maintenance? The cost of developing, running and evolving online games is huge and contrary to what a good many of the f2p crowd believe, it has to be paid for somehow. What is free, however, is the choice whether to play them or not.
and who said i was? this thread was based on the opinion of whether the game is good or not, and i gave my opinion. get off your fking high horse. i'm not asking for anything to be given to me for nothing. i quite clearly stated i was willing to pay. the gaming public shouldn't be punished because ea threw hundreds of millions at bioware to make a subpar and inferior game that has hours upon hours of vocal dialog people might hear once. and f2p games make more money than they did when they were a sub based game. if anything, the f2p model is better than subscriptions because of it. you have to have a ridiculously successful game to make money off your subs these days. and wow has that market cornered. swtor isn't going to take that base away from wow. it's not good enough to compete with them on that level. however, it could easily take the f2p market away from lotro, who, ddo, etc.. though.
you are a ridiculous and stupid person for thinking skyrim will cost anyone anything after they've purchased it. no one is forced to buy dlc to keep playing. bethesda doesn't send out a patch you can't not download that disables the game on you until you buy their crappy dlc.
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SWTOR is 60 bucks. There are 3 different versions of SWTOR $60 (nothing special in it), $80 (special in game items), collector edition.
I didn't play in SWTOR beta, but I did buy the game. As of right now the game seems decent, there really isn't anything special about the game that I could say makes this game awesome or unique, it just seems like another MMO with a star wars environment. I am only lvl 22 right now, so I don't have a lot of experience with the game.
Yeah, but then if you don't get the $80 CE, you feel like you are getting ripped off. Hate when games do this junk. Even $60 though, to me, is over priced for a subscription game. I'd have to really be inlove with the game to pay that. I might pay that for GW2, but not this.
My bad, I forgot to put an "and" before collector edition. The collector edition is $110 or something with special in game items + statutes and what not. Anyways, I have always though collector's editions are a waste of money because I am not a big statue fan, I buy the game for the game itself. in the end, my opinion is just different than yours I might try out GW2 when it comes out we will see.
Anyways, OP here is my take on the game.
Background of myself: I am a power gamer, who rushes to max level in every game. I don't stop to smell the roses at all. I could care less about story line, I am all about the game play.
Some of my points are both positive and negatives.
Pros:
Great immersion into the star wars environment. The quests (have dialogue where you can choose what to say. you can kill people or save them). I have always skipped the dialogue of the quests in every game, except this one. For some reason I get immersed into the quests. I love the crafting system because you can send your companions out to gather crafting mats while you play the game, such as pvping. Now the problem is that your companions are the only ones who can craft, so you can't craft a item in 30s for someone in trade chat. You level crafting through your companions, which is a huge plus for me because I hate crafting. One of their professions is called slicing. Slicing allows you to spend a little bit of credit to send them on a mission to retrieve a box, which usually contains more credits then you spent. I think of those missions like daily quests that give good money without really making a huge effort to farm money. This way I can go pvp or if I am reading a book every 30m i can send my companions on a mission to farm me credit.
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Every damn quest has dialogue attached to it. Once you have done the quests a few times, it will be a huge PITA to constantly spamming space bar to skip all the cut scenes. There are 8 advanced classes per side, but the advanced classes change the class considerably. That's not the problem, but it has to do with you having the same set of storyline quests for 2 completely different classes. If I want to be a pyrotech BH and then roll a merc BH I have the same damn class quests. Some of the classes just feel weird as hell because of their specs. Playing a commando as a healer shooting a huge green beam to heal is weird. Seeing a bounty hunter as a melee class is weird. The faction imbalance is huge with a 25/75 split favoring the dark side. Only one pvp instance can the same faction fight against each other, so if you do play the dark side you will get hutt ball 90% of the time.
In the end I am not sure how long SWTOR will keep me occupied, but I don't consider this game a WoW killer or a new innovative game.
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you are a ridiculous and stupid person for thinking skyrim will cost anyone anything after they've purchased it. no one is forced to buy dlc to keep playing. bethesda doesn't send out a patch you can't not download that disables the game on you until you buy their crappy dlc.
No more ridiculous and stupid than for thinking SWTOR will cost anyone anything after they've purchased it. You get a free month's play for the price of the box and no-one is forced to subscribe.
Skyrim and SWTOR both cost much the same to buy and play for a month or so, by which time you've probably finished Skyrim and have come to the end of the free month in SWTOR. To play beyond that you either pay for downloadable content with Skyrim or else subscribe to SWTOR. If you don't want to do either then fine, you've had a month's entertainment for the price of the box with either game.
Offline games used to be great value for money when the whole came game for a fixed price and the content was enough to offer unlimited replayability, literally for ever. Now offline developers have caught on to the idea of releasing their games in the same unfinished state as online ones and charging for the missing content through downloading. No-one is forced to buy that content any more than they are forced to pay after the first month in an online game, but they won't benefit from the game's evolving content unless they do so. Also, with some offline games you can only install them a few times after which you have to buy them again so the old concept of paying a single price to play an offline game forever has largely gone.
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Beta tested SWTOR from Dec last year to Nov this year and I wont be buying the game even though I am a huge Star Wars fan.
If anything, this is proof companies should rotate beta testers during phases instead of keeping the same ones for 1+ years. Looks like you burned yourself out of the game before it was even released. Personally, if SW:TOR keeps me busy for 1 year, it will be an excellent investment.
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Background of myself: I am a power gamer, who rushes to max level in every game. I don't stop to smell the roses at all. I could care less about story line, I am all about the game play.
At least you made it clear why you are gonna miss what makes SW:TOR different from other games.
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No more ridiculous and stupid than for thinking SWTOR will cost anyone anything after they've purchased it. You get a free month's play for the price of the box and no-one is forced to subscribe.
Skyrim and SWTOR both cost much the same to buy and play for a month or so, by which time you've probably finished Skyrim and have come to the end of the free month in SWTOR. To play beyond that you either pay for downloadable content with Skyrim or else subscribe to SWTOR. If you don't want to do either then fine, you've had a month's entertainment for the price of the box with either game.
Really? The three friends I know who've been playing it have put 50+ hours into it each, one has played over 100 hours. Man, I don't think I've had 100 free hours in a month to play a game since college. I've put almost 30 hours into zelda and that has been almost a month, still need to finish that. Then on to Skyrim! Think I'll be busy till March and will have tons of free content added through the user base. <shrug>
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Difference is Skyrim is just sitting on my PC while I'm having a busy time at work not costing me anything. TOR as a single player RPG will continue to cost you $15 a month until you finish it.
That pre-supposes you're willing to pay a recurring monthly subscription for a game you don't have the time to play. That's your choice.
Like SWTOR, Skyrim will cost you more once you start playing it, however, because you'll have to pay for the additional downloadable content.
Thanks for making my point. Someone says you can think of TOR as a RPG and you could get that value of it. It's not. I bought Skyrim and if it takes 1 month or a year to finish, the cost is the same. Buy TOR and if you don't finish in the first month it will cost you more.
And please don't go into how you could unsub, then sub and then unsub as you have time, not realistic.
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Tough choice.. GW2 is still a ways off and ArcheAge may be a year or more out..
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seffrid is one of the dumbest people i've ever seen on this board. tor costs you to play it each month. skyrim does not. you're goddamn retarded if you can't understand that.
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Tough choice.. GW2 is still a ways off and ArcheAge may be a year or more out..
i would honestly wait a month if you're at all hesitant about swtor. by then the queues should be sorted out at least.
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seffrid is one of the dumbest people i've ever seen on this board. tor costs you to play it each month. skyrim does not. you're goddamn retarded if you can't understand that.
Oh I understand that alright. Just as I understand that with no additional payment for DLC Skyrim remains exactly as it was the day you bought it (the odd bug fix apart), whereas for your sub SWTOR continues to evolve.
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seffrid is one of the dumbest people i've ever seen on this board. tor costs you to play it each month. skyrim does not. you're goddamn retarded if you can't understand that.
Oh I understand that alright. Just as I understand that with no additional payment for DLC Skyrim remains exactly as it was the day you bought it (the odd bug fix apart), whereas for your sub SWTOR continues to evolve.
No you don't understand and completely missed the point.
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No you don't understand and completely missed the point.
I understood the point to be that you can buy Skyrim at box price and play it with no additional cost, whilst you can buy SWTOR at box price and only play it for one month unless you pay additional subscriptions, that's the point that's being made isn't it? I got that. If I've misunderstood it then feel free to clarify. My point is simply that the comparison isn't between two equals, one game won't change in that time (unless you pay extra for DLC) while the other will evolve, and therefore the costing is different. However, anyone who feels that a game isn't worth what's being charged for is obviously free not to play it.
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I tried SWTOR beta, but could not play the game on my laptop. It was questionable as to whether it was my graphics driver or what, as the laptop has Vista and is about 4 yrs old. Should be able to play on low settings, but oh well.
As to the other person talking about Skyrim, I am 97 hours into that game since release. Awesome game!
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Everybody was expecting MORE and are let down because the game doesn't deliver any great new evolutionary steps for MMO's aside from Speech, which while great, doesn't change game dynamics much.
I'd like to say that I'm a bit surprised that this is the biggest negative with the game, but I'm not. Any statement that I made saying "Look, I know this is Bioware and you like them, but its an MMORPG, expect it to work like an MMORPG" were generally sneered at.
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No you don't understand and completely missed the point.
I understood the point to be that you can buy Skyrim at box price and play it with no additional cost, whilst you can buy SWTOR at box price and only play it for one month unless you pay additional subscriptions, that's the point that's being made isn't it? I got that. If I've misunderstood it then feel free to clarify. My point is simply that the comparison isn't between two equals, one game won't change in that time (unless you pay extra for DLC) while the other will evolve, and therefore the costing is different. However, anyone who feels that a game isn't worth what's being charged for is obviously free not to play it.
oh? because you have to pay for all the community mods to bethesda games right? because bethesda doesn't release a modding tool for all of their games that then goes on to be this huge community driven thing that makes the games better and adds replay value to them for YEARS afterward, right?  sweet christ. skyrim will change more, FOR FREE, than swtor will in a year.
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Everybody was expecting MORE and are let down because the game doesn't deliver any great new evolutionary steps for MMO's aside from Speech, which while great, doesn't change game dynamics much.
I'd like to say that I'm a bit surprised that this is the biggest negative with the game, but I'm not. Any statement that I made saying "Look, I know this is Bioware and you like them, but its an MMORPG, expect it to work like an MMORPG" were generally sneered at.
to be fair, a million years ago when they announced tor, they were really excitedly talking about how they were going to totally revolutionize mmos. then they.. didn't. at all. in fact, 99% of the money for the game seems to have been spent on the audio alone. which is extremely funny to me because 1. only a small portion of mmo players ever paid attention to the stories in quests and isht before and 2. after the second planet, even those people will be jamming their space bars in conversations that aren't directly part of their story quests. i'm willing to be that over 50% of the games dialog will never be listened to by anyone.
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I am enjoying SW:ToR because of the voice dialogue. True, playing the same class through Beta and now into retail, the repeat quests from the early levels were a bit tedious but now that I am beyond that level the ability to easily follow the storylines is great.
As far the game being "linear", aren't most MMO's linear to a degree? If your focused goal is to get to cap then yes I can see where the game would be very linear but so would WoW, RIFT, AeON and just about any other MMO. I am a very casual player and I explore the world as I go. The exploring doesnt contain soryline but I enjoy the scenerie. The MoB models have changed as far as the NPC types and I hav enot encountered a MoB tha tis just a bigger version of a lower level as of yet.
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to be fair, a million years ago when they announced tor, they were really excitedly talking about how they were going to totally revolutionize mmos. then they.. didn't. at all.
Its just like some of the armchair posters on here who say they could do it better. Its an awesome thought, but until you have a working implementation it means exactly nothing. Until you try and fail, its very easy to think that you could do it better, and since most people never will its an easy thought to hold.
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Some people get so emotionally invested in these games that when they get disappointed, they just don't take it well at all. Sad but we see it every single MMO release.
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I'm level 28 and I just hit Alderaan, seems like a cool place so far. I didn't like Tatooine that much, although it looked as it should.
I'm not sure this is a 4-5 year game like WoW. I can't believe I played WoW for 7 years (with some breaks). I don't think this one will last that long for me, but so far I like it.
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I went ahead and bought the game and I would say it isnt to impressive so far. There is more talk about WoW in the general chat than TOR.
I think the graphics are pretty terrible.
The sounds are about what is expected out of a Star Wars title.
The Quest dialogue is good but I dont see how that will carry the game past the 6 month mark when people have rolled multiple alts and are tired of it.
Not nearly enough MMO in this MMORPG. Its almost as if Bioware started making a single player game and halfway through they ( or EA ) decided to make it an MMO.
So far I have played a Jedi Consular ( 14 ) and a Bounty Hunter ( 10 ) and the combat is just flat out boring / uninspiring.
I will keep at it until the first month is up and then decide if I will continue playing just incase something changes.
Edit : I would be willing to roll onto another server if anyone is interested in playing together.
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There is more talk about WoW in the general chat than TOR.
I don't understand the point of even mentioning this because it's true of virtually every single MMO out there right now.
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There is more talk about WoW in the general chat than TOR.
I don't understand the point of even mentioning this because it's true of virtually every single MMO out there right now.
Really? So the point of having meaningful game chat drowned out by rants about WoW escapes you? Hmm.
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There is more talk about WoW in the general chat than TOR.
I don't understand the point of even mentioning this because it's true of virtually every single MMO out there right now.
Really? So the point of having meaningful game chat drowned out by rants about WoW escapes you? Hmm.
I never said it was good or bad, I'm just pointing out that you can go to any other MMO on the market and whatever goes for a public chat channel in that particular MMO they will 9 times out of 10 be talking about WoW and whether it sucks/is awesome. Therefore bringing it up in regards to a new MMO is fairly pointless since it happens in any MMO.
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Some people get so emotionally invested in these games that when they get disappointed, they just don't take it well at all. Sad but we see it every single MMO release.
you're just mad that i spend so much time upsetting your forum w/o breaking any rules, so you can't do anything about it. 
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So far I have played a Jedi Consular ( 14 ) and a Bounty Hunter ( 10 ) and the combat is just flat out boring / uninspiring.
Characters ramp up in power slower than in WoW nowadays, where you get everything handed to you by level 10. At 10 and 14, you have very little room to judge how your class really behaves.
I'm 41 with my Consular/Shadow/Tank (Kinetic) (yes, I level as tank... works fine!), and combat is a blast. Not to mention Bioware are the first after Blizzard to get that awesome responsiveness in combat. I'd say you really start to feel the "real" power of your class at 20-25, as it should be with a game that has real character development and talents that actually mean something.
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Some people get so emotionally invested in these games that when they get disappointed, they just don't take it well at all. Sad but we see it every single MMO release.
Which is funny, because Bioware NEVER lied about their game. We knew long ago exactly what is was going to be like. Yes, it's a theme park MMO, with a "twist" because of omnipresent voice acting. It's possibly because I entered this game awaiting just another mediocre clone like Rift or Warhammer that I was NOT disappointed, since SW:TOR crushes Rift in almost every aspect except the UI (and I suspect that won't last). I take a game with good story and gameplay anytime over an utterly boring crap game with poor unresponsive combat anytime anyway, even if the second has a better UI.
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So far I have played a Jedi Consular ( 14 ) and a Bounty Hunter ( 10 ) and the combat is just flat out boring / uninspiring.
Characters ramp up in power slower than in WoW nowadays, where you get everything handed to you by level 10. At 10 and 14, you have very little room to judge how your class really behaves.
I'm 41 with my Consular/Shadow/Tank (Kinetic) (yes, I level as tank... works fine!), and combat is a blast. Not to mention Bioware are the first after Blizzard to get that awesome responsiveness in combat. I'd say you really start to feel the "real" power of your class at 20-25, as it should be with a game that has real character development and talents that actually mean something.
Maybe but I am not playing a game that doesnt take off until its over half way done especially when I would want to play multiple classes. If I wanted to play 4 different classes then I am looking at 80+ levels of mind numbing boredom? That doesnt inspire me to play at all. The game isnt fun enough to me to keep me pushing on. I probably would have been happier with a Dragon Age MMO than a Star Wars MMO though ( if you can even call TOR an MMO at this stage ).
And the last I played WoW was 4+ years ago and I dont remember anything being handed to me then. Maybe thats how it is now.. I dont know. I know LoTRO and EQ2 are now really easy ( EQ2 especially if you use a mercenary ).
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Some people get so emotionally invested in these games that when they get disappointed, they just don't take it well at all. Sad but we see it every single MMO release.
I get emotionally invested in my money. 
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The game "takes off" at level 1, but you just don't get all your key class abilities handed to you at level 10. They come progressively.
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I honestly can't get enough of it.
This coming from someone that did not last more than a couple of weeks in other recent MMO titles (like Rift).
I keep up with the main story and PVP my brains out. I am interested to see how Ilum (pvp world) evolves when there are lots of level 50 chars.
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It took me 3 hrs to realize there was a bottom tab on the trainer to train my advanced class skills. A friend got in to the mid 20's as a marauder using only the base class skills as well. He was 25 or so before he(we/all) realized the tab at the bottom of the trainer menu. It was poorly documented, if at all, where we could train so it was quite numbing for a bit there. I still can't believe he made it in to the mid 20's as a marauder without any AC skills =D Soon as he got them, we didn't hear complaints any more about quests being hard as hell =D
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It took me 3 hrs to realize there was a bottom tab on the trainer to train my advanced class skills. A friend got in to the mid 20's as a marauder using only the base class skills as well. He was 25 or so before he(we/all) realized the tab at the bottom of the trainer menu. It was poorly documented, if at all, where we could train so it was quite numbing for a bit there. I still can't believe he made it in to the mid 20's as a marauder without any AC skills =D Soon as he got them, we didn't hear complaints any more about quests being hard as hell =D
I forget what game this recently happened to me in. It was either Rift or Aion. My friend and I had the same problem, we got to around level 15 or 20 and were thinking man that is getting rough. Then I realized that you needed to buy ranks of skills. Went from barely killing things to destroying lots of higher levels at once (think it was rift).
Then they nerfed the abilities I was using just to level up and it became sad. Sadly I never got to max level in either game because friends stopped playing as with all MMO's lately. Sadly those were really good I just think with people having kids it gets too hard to play together when you are in different time zones  .
Edit: I was actually a bit sad when we stopped playing Rift, that was the most fun in an MMO I'd had in awhile. Can't remember what level I got to, I know it wasn't max level.
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well heads up, there's bottom tabs on almost every information window in the game. 
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Good so far, only.level. 5. Bad server disconnects, which is code 9000 or something. Can't say its better than WoW as I am only level 5, the entry areas aren't as immersive to me as the entry level for WoW. Can hold more enemies at on time than WoW at an earlier level, but the zones don't seem as alive as WoW, in that there seems to be useless space with no NPCs around. I need a new computer to play with better gfx, as my current laptop is minimum spec at best.
Biggest complaint is the server disconnects at this time.....every 5 to 20 mins.
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The server disconnects seem to only happen on very heavy and full servers.
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^^^ respectfully disagree.
I played this morning (EST) around 9am and the server had no load at all. I was still disconnecting randomly every 5-20 minutes.
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^^^ respectfully disagree.
I played this morning (EST) around 9am and the server had no load at all. I was still disconnecting randomly every 5-20 minutes.
It's difficult to judge technical performance when you don't have a computer that is capable of playing the game.
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My Laptop is getting low FPS due to it being just above the minimum requirements. This has nothing to do with server connectivity. If it's not happening to you, then you have been lucky. The forums are flooded with this issue.
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I've been playing since Oct weekend betas and have only had one issue which was a BSOD that I am fairly sure was my computer's issue and not a server issue. I play on Shadowhand which is almost always full. I haven't heard any issues from anyone else in my guild related to server disconnects.
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