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I just cant stand caster classes, have tried all of them on every realm but never get past like level 30 and my PC sucks too bad to run a bot account anyways. But with realm buffs for what I want to farm I dont see the need for a bot anyways. I dont like doing mass focus pulls or killing high purple mobs, just single mobs one at a time as fast as possible.
I read the post below but it all seems to revolve around having a bot as well. I prefer farming elementals and those little afrits that run away. Is there any melee that can farm them just as fast as a caster could? Im sure archers could and friars easily but they kill so damn slow. What about Vamps or 2 Handed classes like Champs or Heroes? Do they do enough DPS to kill them fast and also live?
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If speed is a priority, vamps are probably the way to go for you. Friars work fine for yellows/ojs, Excom is decent dps for a single target.
A melee warden, with lots of blunt instead of heavy shield, would probably also work fairly well.
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If speed is a priority, vamps are probably the way to go for you. Friars work fine for yellows/ojs, Excom is decent dps for a single target.
A melee warden, with lots of blunt instead of heavy shield, would probably also work fairly well.
Interested in hearing how a warden would kill faster than something like a champ/hero using a 2 hander? Did wardens get an uber DPS buff in the last few years?
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If speed is a priority, vamps are probably the way to go for you. Friars work fine for yellows/ojs, Excom is decent dps for a single target.
A melee warden, with lots of blunt instead of heavy shield, would probably also work fairly well.
Interested in hearing how a warden would kill faster than something like a champ/hero using a 2 hander? Did wardens get an uber DPS buff in the last few years?
On reds and low purples, a pure 2h tank would need a lot more rest than a warden would. A warden with 40+ blunt has some good single-target DPS, plus celerity, DA chant, and endo buff/regen. Not saying they're spectacular, but solid, and a good break from the norm. Also able to handle much higher con mobs than a 2h tank would.
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Warriorperson posted:
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If speed is a priority, vamps are probably the way to go for you. Friars work fine for yellows/ojs, Excom is decent dps for a single target.
A melee warden, with lots of blunt instead of heavy shield, would probably also work fairly well.
Interested in hearing how a warden would kill faster than something like a champ/hero using a 2 hander? Did wardens get an uber DPS buff in the last few years?
On reds and low purples, a pure 2h tank would need a lot more rest than a warden would. A warden with 40+ blunt has some good single-target DPS, plus celerity, DA chant, and endo buff/regen. Not saying they're spectacular, but solid, and a good break from the norm. Also able to handle much higher con mobs than a 2h tank would.
could they do Colossals in stygia?
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[quote=Warriorperson]If speed is a priority, vamps are probably the way to go for you. Friars work fine for yellows/ojs, Excom is decent dps for a single target.
A melee warden, with lots of blunt instead of heavy shield, would probably also work fairly well.
Interested in hearing how a warden would kill faster than something like a champ/hero using a 2 hander? Did wardens get an uber DPS buff in the last few years?
On reds and low purples, a pure 2h tank would need a lot more rest than a warden would. A warden with 40+ blunt has some good single-target DPS, plus celerity, DA chant, and endo buff/regen. Not saying they're spectacular, but solid, and a good break from the norm. Also able to handle much higher con mobs than a 2h tank would.
could they do Colossals in stygia?[/quote]
A warden? Definitely. I've seen Ylug solo mobs in Caer Sidi and Galla on his warden.
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[quote=Dabrix29][quote=Warriorperson]If speed is a priority, vamps are probably the way to go for you. Friars work fine for yellows/ojs, Excom is decent dps for a single target.
A melee warden, with lots of blunt instead of heavy shield, would probably also work fairly well.
Interested in hearing how a warden would kill faster than something like a champ/hero using a 2 hander? Did wardens get an uber DPS buff in the last few years?
On reds and low purples, a pure 2h tank would need a lot more rest than a warden would. A warden with 40+ blunt has some good single-target DPS, plus celerity, DA chant, and endo buff/regen. Not saying they're spectacular, but solid, and a good break from the norm. Also able to handle much higher con mobs than a 2h tank would.
could they do Colossals in stygia?[/quote]
A warden? Definitely. I've seen Ylug solo mobs in Caer Sidi and Galla on his warden.[/quote]
how would you spec, got a 45 warden on ywain been meaning to level.
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I've never done a melee warden, but I'd probably go something like 29 shield, 24 regrowth (in-combat HoT is wonderful), 46 nurture, 40 blunt, 7 parry.
I've also used my generic 50 shield/45 nurt/24 regrowth warden (Gaheris rr10, though) as a tank on keeps, when I was messing around with just a chanter/warden duo. Warden was successfully tanking the Glenlock keep lord on his own, no need for chanter pet heals. He even managed to keep aggro a large portion of the later stages of the fight from heal font + heal proc aggro, which was nice.
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Thane. Its a hybrid, but with a self str/con buff, and some pbae, ranged aoe, and a couple of DDs. Go shield / sc / weapon so you can swap between a 2h for some front loaded dmg, or shield if you need the dmg mitigation.
This is my answer to the OP in regards to the elementals they mentioned.
To answer in a more broad regard: can anything farm as fast as a pet class such as an enchanter or SM? No.
I understand that some classes can farm well solo at high RR, but they do not kill with the same efficiency and consistency of the pet class casters. No other class is set up to farm across the board like the pet class casters. With buff lines and focus dmg shields for the pet, they can do it faster than any other SINGLE toon, and that faster takes into account downtime between pulls.
I say single since the OP can not run a bot. (in the case he could, then a pet caster PLUS a bot is still the fastest farming duo)
Some of the fastest leveling possible on this server is in PoC with an enchanter focus pulling entire rooms at a time. 0-50 in under 5 hours was Mplodes record, and that was a few years ago before the XP was accelerated. That was with a cleric/enchanter.
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I would disagree that in terms of soloers single pulling nothing is faster than a pet class. While pet classes have a great measure of control a fight, in terms or raw solo kills per hour, nothing tops a rejuve tic or an archer. Both have pros and cons, tics have a much higher overall dps while archers who have a pretty good dps themselves do not get their attacks resisted (though an arrow can once in a great while miss). For elementals I would go archer over tic though. For one thing the OP stated they hate cloth casters and tics are a little too close to that (though they can and often do have to melee), and for another with a bow with a stun proc on it (like a ragnarok bow, etc.) you could hold the lesser afrits that spawn from dead elementals in place.
All that being said there's likely no way to kill both lessers that spawn, they both run and usually in opposite directions, which was why the pet class option is the best way to farm elementals. Possibly you could go with a hunter and hope the pet gets a lot of melee crits on one elemental while you shoot the other full of holes
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A warden? Definitely. I've seen Ylug solo mobs in Caer Sidi and Galla on his warden.
Can a warden do Laby named?
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Can a warden do Laby named?
Which one?
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Can a warden do Laby named?
Which one?
Almost anything a Friar can kill, a Warden can kill. But, if you can solo the junk mobs in TG/Galla/Sidi, you're ahead of the curve already. Arguably the toughest "junk mobs" in the game.
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Can a warden do Laby named?
Which one?
Almost anything a Friar can kill, a Warden can kill. But, if you can solo the junk mobs in TG/Galla/Sidi, you're ahead of the curve already. Arguably the toughest "junk mobs" in the game.
Have a warden but never tried farming with him. What kind of temp would you use? Also do the mobs in the SI zones like sidi that you can solo drop anything you can sell?
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Against a single mob, Wardens are very solid. Against multiple mobs is where a Friar or shield tank/shield hybrid starts being better. And multiple includes just adding one more, since the second mob neuters PBT vs the first mob. A Warden will take more damage from two blues than from one oj, despite killing them just as fast or even faster.
For what OP is trying to do (yellows up to low grapes, one at a time) I'd go Warden. It's not the fastest killer, but has a load of defense, some 'oh crap' buttons, and it's own run speed buff which can make up for some of the killing time vs. a 2h tank or hyrid or whatever else is an option. Failing the warden, Heretank or Friar, followed by the Thane/Valk/Reaver/Champ quartet, then VW (should be in with the Thane and such but too much casting vs. melee), light tanks, and assassins, then Warrior (for free 2h), then Armsman/Hero, and finally Savage, unless you carry a mess of healing potions. With the potions, Savage is up with the light tanks, maybe even the melee hybrids.
If you take reds and grapes out of the equation, Vamp wins in a walk. It's not even close.
If OP wasn't against archery or magic, Caster Tic would rank high, all the archers would, and VW would rank higher.
I have zero experience with Maulers, for all I know they'd be best, but I hate the mechanic of needing to be hit for your stuff to work.
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For a melee single target DPS I like my Skald 50 BS 39 hammer 18 parry. He can chew through any red/low grape with realm buffs and minimal down time. I can't say how he would do against TG/Sidi/Galla mobs because I have not tried him in there (have pet class for that). Now he is RR10 and has a solid temp so that will help him out a lot.
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when i came back for the free two weeks i played my assassin and messed around in laby. it was incredibly variable. id destroy a named purple, just evading everything and laying out evade chain after evade chain. and then some orange con junk mob would kill me because i couldnt evade anything and missed like crazy.
overall i would not recommend one without a bot.
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Ooh, I forgot Skalds. They'd be in there with the Thanes and such. Maybe a touch better out of combat thanks to the run buff.
Thing is, my Skald always was more fun using a 1h weapon. With no haste or celerity bot, his ghetto celerity just couldn't make a 2h swing fast enough to be fun. I'm sure the 2h was more damage over time, but it was also a big snoozer.
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Ooh, I forgot Skalds. They'd be in there with the Thanes and such. Maybe a touch better out of combat thanks to the run buff.
Thing is, my Skald always was more fun using a 1h weapon. With no haste or celerity bot, his ghetto celerity just couldn't make a 2h swing fast enough to be fun. I'm sure the 2h was more damage over time, but it was also a big snoozer.
you get free haste in nf/df/laby or 17% from pots or 20% from df drops what are you talking about
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I'm talking about the difference between real celerity and those things being the difference between capping swing speed even with a 2-hander, and swinging once in what seems like forever. I understand the 2-hander did more damage over time. But hitting a button every 3-4 seconds instead of half that was mind-numbing. Might as well just hit auto attack and walk away. And if I'm going to do THAT, I might as well get a Paladin and have no worries about living through the fight.
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20% haste charge with 10% from items and the skalds 15% "ghetto celerity" gets my two hand hammer coming down every 2 sec killing much faster then any pally could dream of without the 2 instant damage spells
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i thought mids didnt get a bonus to 2h dps since they got it free.
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to go out of the bubble, i'd definetly reccommend a warden, my rr11 warden can gold aggro of all the keep lords i kill, without assitance. If i was to respec him melee, im sure he could handle very tough mobs, albeit at a slower rate then a focus bubbled pet. Friar would be my generalized reccomendation, they have some diffculty on high level purples because of the to-hit factor going down and them needing to hit to heal, but on yellows and oranges, my friar is only rr6 and i can pull crowded hallways in Laby and just evade and Holy Staff+ Excomm. repeatedly and make it out unscratched. It really depends on your playstyle, whteher you just want best results or some fun and out of the norm ways to get the same results.
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The answer to the OP is still 'No'.
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i'd think void eldy if you're wanting elementals. target bolt-bolt-nuke should take out the elemental, then base stun the weakened afrits and nuke'em down. just have to be careful walking around ToA on an eldy, but you should have plenty of tricks to kite your way out of most trouble. if you really want a tank type, i don't think you'll manage to kill the weakened afrits all that often.
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i'd think void eldy if you're wanting elementals. target bolt-bolt-nuke should take out the elemental, then base stun the weakened afrits and nuke'em down. just have to be careful walking around ToA on an eldy, but you should have plenty of tricks to kite your way out of most trouble. if you really want a tank type, i don't think you'll manage to kill the weakened afrits all that often.
As an alternative to eldy you could also use a runemaster. Very awesome solo nuker, just no stun. I'll take a long root over a stun in PvE any day of the week though. 
All 3 specs are great for solo as well.
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i have a warden, 47 nurt, 39 blunt, 29 sheild, 24 regro, 6 parry, and i solo purple mobs on it. collasals are tough but they die if you play right. use reactionaries dont just spam anytimes, keep heal proc up, save your sheild stun for if you need a heal. at 48 i soloed a mob thats purple to a 50 in shrouded, the mob for the paidrian neck quest. melted like butter. i dont rvr on him much so he is only r3, ra's are mastery of block 2, mastery of parry 2, long wind 1, purge 1, ignore pain 2. if i need to solo farm something big he is my go to toon. if i want to non stop pull yellow and oj then i use vamp. 38 peirce, 38 shadow mastery, 38 vampiric embrace. vamp can pull and never stop. and when my croc tooth procs my casting speed goes through the roof, if you see the proc its claw spammin time.
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wow all ur specs are bad
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Quazimortal posted:
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i'd think void eldy if you're wanting elementals. target bolt-bolt-nuke should take out the elemental, then base stun the weakened afrits and nuke'em down. just have to be careful walking around ToA on an eldy, but you should have plenty of tricks to kite your way out of most trouble. if you really want a tank type, i don't think you'll manage to kill the weakened afrits all that often.
As an alternative to eldy you could also use a runemaster. Very awesome solo nuker, just no stun. I'll take a long root over a stun in PvE any day of the week though.
All 3 specs are great for solo as well.
except you cant root the weakened
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Really? Bleh that is lame. It's been too long since I played so I can't remember all the rules with CC.
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Chanter works very well vs elementals, heat debuff and stun, sprint in and pbaoe. Then just stun the blue guys and debuff nukem ...
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Asber, you should try tuscars hammer, it sports a healthy celeric proc that really pumps the DPS ....
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rr5+ merc is very successful at killing red to low purples fast and with todays items/pots/procs/realm buffs, there is no downtime.
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I like using a smiter for those elementals, its a little different play style then typical but with the stun gives you a decent shot at the 2 splits, you can always split spec the cleric for buffs and smite.
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For colossal I like archers.. for that matter fer elementals as well.. though scout used to be able to get both weakened afrits I generally settle fer one now with reduced slam or if using ranger or hunter..
Friar rocks on anything higher (as tough as any grape that is soloable.. a friar can do that) but its not necessarily speedy..
Tics are fast but have been using my ice wiz alot on draks.. he runs scared a bit but when adds come I just aoe snare them then pick them off at my leisure haven't sent him out after elementals yet but prolly should try at some point.
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minstrel or bd can solo gov encounter
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