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Speaking from an outside observer's viewpoint I think Option B would add a lot of life to the game. Since it would be entirely optional the pure PvEers should have no reason to complain either.
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Speaking from an outside observer's viewpoint I think Option B would add a lot of life to the game. Since it would be entirely optional the pure PvEers should have no reason to complain either.
I think the problem would originate from purely appearing to be associated with Mordred. A lot of people seemed to find that far more repulsive than anything.
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Speaking from an outside observer's viewpoint I think Option B would add a lot of life to the game. Since it would be entirely optional the pure PvEers should have no reason to complain either.
I think the problem would originate from purely appearing to be associated with Mordred. A lot of people seemed to find that far more repulsive than anything.
There is less reason to justify putting it in the game if it only benefits Gaheris though. By including Mordred you would not only entice more use from Molvik but you also have a better shot at getting it in the first place.
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Would not work what so ever having mordred characters meeting gaheris characters for pvp in molvik.
Gaheris players start out at RR4 with zero rps and go from there that gives a clear advantage and one that mythic would probably never ever allow.
Two different rulesets and they are not compatible.
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I think you'd probably be surprised at how compatible the two rulesets are. There isn't much differing between Gaheris and Mordred aside from being flagged for PvP or not. I assume the Frontiers are different but that wouldn't matter since the only place the two servers would meet is in Molvik.
I don't really even understand why you'd be against having more people to PvP with in there either. Is there really enough Gaheris-only interest to make it worth putting in?
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I think you'd probably be surprised at how compatible the two rulesets are. There isn't much differing between Gaheris and Mordred aside from being flagged for PvP or not. I assume the Frontiers are different but that wouldn't matter since the only place the two servers would meet is in Molvik.
I don't really even understand why you'd be against having more people to PvP with in there either. Is there really enough Gaheris-only interest to make it worth putting in?
There isn't, which is why it was never implemented way back then. The backlash from most of the Gaheris-only community was pretty extreme, if I remember correctly. A lot of people seemed (note the use of past tense) to think any sort of association with Mordred, no matter how loose, would permanently destroy anything and everything that once existed on Gaheris.
Edit: Grammatical fail.
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Not too much difference ... aside from the extra and easier RA system, not a lot.
... but the very fact that an rr13 here (and there are quite a few) has a skill set that is simply impossible on that server makes it more than a bit one sided ...
we would end up with people from mordred rolling and PLing toons here for the sole reason of playing in the molvik area, just so they had the extra RR benefits.
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It's a little off topic but since everyone is concerned with how rp are acquired a few things:
First Gaheris gets the equivalent of RR3 in free RA points not 4, unless they raised the max level to 60 or started handing em out at 10.
Second Mordred is THE easiest place to build realm rank. If you have two or more toons find an out of the way spot and start farming yourself for rp, or do it with a friend if you only have one account.
Last I would add that most of the skeleton crew left on Ywain are rvr fanatics. Why would they leave a server with ALL of the bg's to visit a low pop server with only one? I just don't see it bringing in lots of people.
May I re-suggest as I did the first time they talked about this: Make any areas that do not drop dreaded seals available for ywain players to visit. This helps gaheris' pop problem and gives normal ruleset players a chance to group with and explore other realms without giving up the option of going "home" to rvr. If you allowed them to take home some of the cross realm gear I'm sure it would be very popular as well.
Makes more sense to me...
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May I re-suggest as I did the first time they talked about this: Make any areas that do not drop dreaded seals available for ywain players to visit. This helps gaheris' pop problem and gives normal ruleset players a chance to group with and explore other realms without giving up the option of going "home" to rvr. If you allowed them to take home some of the cross realm gear I'm sure it would be very popular as well.
Makes more sense to me...
Gaheris/Mordred run on what is literally entirely different code for characters than Ywain does. Charcopy your Gaheris char over to Pendragon with some cross-realmed items that you can normally equip in your inventory. Try to equip them on Pendragon. It won't work. Changing that would take a TON of work, far more than Mythic can justify given the current state of DAOC. Likely more than they can afford, as well.
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Gaheris/Mordred run on what is literally entirely different code for characters than Ywain does. Charcopy your Gaheris char over to Pendragon with some cross-realmed items that you can normally equip in your inventory. Try to equip them on Pendragon. It won't work. Changing that would take a TON of work, far more than Mythic can justify given the current state of DAOC. Likely more than they can afford, as well.
Yep that same code would prove the same problems for the battleground, but oddly enough they had planned to put it in. As for affording it that is just bogus. I mean it's owned by EA and last time I checked they weren't flirting with bankruptcy, and they are one of the few games this old and dated that still charges 15 bucks a month.
If they are charging for the game, not putting out any new content, and barely maintaining the game as it is... then why are they broke? Sounds like very low overhead and very high profit margins to me.
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First Gaheris gets the equivalent of RR3 in free RA points not 4, unless they raised the max level to 60 or started handing em out at 10.
Actually it is RR4L0 worth of free points. We get 31 skill points, 30 of which are Gaheris only granted from 21-50
At 1L1 (which everyone gets at 20) you get one skill point
At 2L0 you would have 10
At 3L0 you would have 20
And at 4L0 you would have 30
Taking away the automatic 1L1 that everyone gets at 20 that works out to be 4L0 worth of skill points. We still do not get the + to skill boosts that going up realm levels grants, but those 30 free skill points are quite an edge.
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Yep, forgot we start at 1L1 not 0L1... my bad.
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Gaheris/Mordred run on what is literally entirely different code for characters than Ywain does. Charcopy your Gaheris char over to Pendragon with some cross-realmed items that you can normally equip in your inventory. Try to equip them on Pendragon. It won't work. Changing that would take a TON of work, far more than Mythic can justify given the current state of DAOC. Likely more than they can afford, as well.
Yep that same code would prove the same problems for the battleground, but oddly enough they had planned to put it in. As for affording it that is just bogus. I mean it's owned by EA and last time I checked they weren't flirting with bankruptcy, and they are one of the few games this old and dated that still charges 15 bucks a month.
If they are charging for the game, not putting out any new content, and barely maintaining the game as it is... then why are they broke? Sounds like very low overhead and very high profit margins to me.
Actually, the battleground would provide fewer technical challenges even if it was Gaheris and Mordred merged. Mordred already has the open PvP coding, and the character data is formatted in the same manner, with the ability to cross-realm, etc. All it would really require is a frontiers-style clustering taking place in that battleground, with the player interaction coding being implemented set to that of Mordred.
Mixing Gaheris/Mordred with ToAs/Classics/Ywain would result in an issue, but Gaheris and Mordred would be perfectly compatible with each other on a technical level.
My theory is that Mythic likely decided not to implement the proposed battleground due to player population backlash, not due to the technical challenges. Changing Ywain coding to allow them to come over to Gaheris would be an entirely different story, and immensely complicated. Not something Mythic is likely to due, since it would require investing a significant amount of money into a game with an ever declining population.
Edit: Even if they can't get to frontiers and laby, mainland dragons drop seals, so they'd be limited to ToA and SI only. Even in SI, they still couldn't do Trollheim, Avalon City (or at least Crystal Cave), or Fomor. In another case, what's to stop them from just trading for seals instead?
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with the new quest lines in the BGs I would like to see all the BGs on Gaheris. I have been leveling a new toon up through the BGs on Ywain and because of the quests, the BGs are more active then they have been in awhile. It is breathing new life into Ywain, and it would here also.
I would like to see Mordred join us in the BGs.
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I would actually up fer a second acct (my first is pretty much full fer gaheris) if they opened up all bg's with CV going thru 50, frontiers staying the way they are.. hehe
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Actually, the battleground would provide fewer technical challenges even if it was Gaheris and Mordred merged. Mordred already has the open PvP coding, and the character data is formatted in the same manner, with the ability to cross-realm, etc. All it would really require is a frontiers-style clustering taking place in that battleground, with the player interaction coding being implemented set to that of Mordred.
Mixing Gaheris/Mordred with ToAs/Classics/Ywain would result in an issue, but Gaheris and Mordred would be perfectly compatible with each other on a technical level.
My theory is that Mythic likely decided not to implement the proposed battleground due to player population backlash, not due to the technical challenges. Changing Ywain coding to allow them to come over to Gaheris would be an entirely different story, and immensely complicated. Not something Mythic is likely to due, since it would require investing a significant amount of money into a game with an ever declining population.
Edit: Even if they can't get to frontiers and laby, mainland dragons drop seals, so they'd be limited to ToA and SI only. Even in SI, they still couldn't do Trollheim, Avalon City (or at least Crystal Cave), or Fomor. In another case, what's to stop them from just trading for seals instead?
Wow I gotta ask do you or have you ever been a programmer for daoc? Because if not you sure seem to overuse theoretical arguments...
No offense warrior but unless you are getting ready to undertake this project personally, you seem to be putting up a lot of theoretical speed bumps vs. an idea from another player. Is there some reason you hate the idea from a personal stand point you would like to share instead of imaginary technical problems? or are you just having fun pretending you know what it's like to program daoc?
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Wow I gotta ask do you or have you ever been a programmer for daoc? Because if not you sure seem to overuse theoretical arguments...
No offense warrior but unless you are getting ready to undertake this project personally, you seem to be putting up a lot of theoretical speed bumps vs. an idea from another player. Is there some reason you hate the idea from a personal stand point you would like to share instead of imaginary technical problems? or are you just having fun pretending you know what it's like to program daoc?
I was actually one of the most Pro-Molvik members of the Gaheris community when it was announced. I also realize why they scrapped the project and never implemented it. I'd love to see Molvik, but I long ago resigned to the fact that it's not going to happen. If it did happen, then I've got 3 accts to re-up and an already geared/RR10+'d Sorc, Reaver, Paladin and Armsman ready to go from day one.
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I figure if they can't put Molvik in the least they could do is take it off the Gaheris Porters 
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Should be Gaheris and Mordred...no reason to exclude that player base from new PvP when they've already been ignored since 2007.
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My theory is that Mythic likely decided not to implement the proposed battleground due to player population backlash, not due to the technical challenges. Changing Ywain coding to allow them to come over to Gaheris would be an entirely different story, and immensely complicated. Not something Mythic is likely to due, since it would require investing a significant amount of money into a game with an ever declining population.
This is partially true, but it wasn't implemented mainly because there were layoffs and staff reshuffling. The project got put on hold and no one still there has decided it is worth their time. The backlash wasn't that bad, but it did have a small factor. Keep in mind that a heavy majority of players from Gaheris supported the plan along with large interest from players of other rulesets.
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Keep in mind that a heavy majority of players from Gaheris supported the plan along with large interest from players of other rulesets.
Bold claim to make without proof.
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Keep in mind that a heavy majority of players from Gaheris supported the plan along with large interest from players of other rulesets.
Bold claim to make without proof.
I've seen him playing the server. I can't imagine he'd screenshot every single person talking to him about it.
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I think quasi's point is there was no official poll within the game. If someone isn't willing to do the proper legwork they shouldn't make generalized claims. I played heavily during that period and I never spoke with him, nor any other representative of EA/Mythic, and no one I played with mentioned doing so either. Although many of the people I spoke with had reservations about it, there were some that were for it. I think it's fair to say "There were mixed feelings about it within the Gaheris population."
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this came up back when i played and the obvious is that it would bring in new life, but the debate is would it benefit the server.
when i played the consensus was no. for the most part you wouldnt get people looking to join the gaheris community, you would get people there to breeze through the pve and realm ranks and get into pvp.
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But you would get people. Now the question is what sort of people would you get?
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people who wouldnt qq and leave the bg as soon as they died
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Doubt it would breathe new life. But new content could stem the flow of people quitting, which amounts to the same thing.
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