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This is something I've been putting together for a little while. Finally finished it, so want to share 
http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9091768
I'm not a writer or editor, so it could be better. It's just something I wanted to put out there as someone who loves to play MMO's, but can't seem to find a good one to play anymore.
There will almost positively be flames about some of it, and I'm cool with that. I would like to hear what other people look for in MMO's as well.
Good on you if you can make it through the whole thing though. It's pretty long 
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Not bad. You could use the UO skill system instead of Skyrim - both are actually very similar.
Oh, and DAoC PvP sucked. It's the first to have introduced "PvP in a box", which then ended in battlegrounds.
Give me meaningful guild vs guild PvP, a bit like UO but enhanced, where players create their own factions, as opposed to the game doing it for you.
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So you found an editor to review it for you? 
I read your TLDR version and it definitley has me intrigued. I'll read it all tomorrow.
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The_Korrigan posted:
Not bad. You could use the UO skill system instead of Skyrim - both are actually very similar.
Oh, and DAoC PvP sucked. It's the first to have introduced "PvP in a box", which then ended in battlegrounds.
Give me meaningful guild vs guild PvP, a bit like UO but enhanced, where players create their own factions, as opposed to the game doing it for you.
Yeah, I liked the UO skill system as well. The Skyrim one is pretty similar though, and allows for leveling of your character. I'm pretty easy on either of those myself. As long as the skills get harder to raise as you progress.
I really liked DAoC PvP. Well, PvP in Classic and SI, before New Frontiers. I could run with a guild group for team play, or play my stealther if I felt like soloing. Battlegrounds were for lower players only, so it didn't affect the high level PvP much. No factions would be cool as well, but having incentives to go PvP is a pretty good idea. Also, Darkness Falls, need to see another one of these in a good PvP game.
Rezzinu posted:
So you found an editor to review it for you?
I read your TLDR version and it definitley has me intrigued. I'll read it all tomorrow.
Not really. I sent it to someone who gave me some pointers, but I didn't really know what to do with it. I probably would have been working on it for weeks and it likely would have come out worse 
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Daoc pvp = /follow train
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vn_vigilante66 posted:
Daoc pvp = /follow train
True enough. Removing /follow against enemies would have been a pretty good move for DAoC. /face too, although running through people would have been highly abused, that's mostly because DAoC's character control wasn't that great.
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vn_vigilante66 posted:
Daoc pvp = /follow train
Hey, don't knock it. We Midgardians loved us some SM train bombing. 
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DAOC's PvP just was not compelling. People only bothered for the RAs, and usually stopped around RR3 to RR5, which even back in the day was only a month or so of nightly Emain grinding.
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I would say from reading just a the TLDR version and skimming the rest, the only MMO that will come close to what you are saying right now will be GW2. Will it have everything you are asking no, but it looks like it will have the most of it in many ways.
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Not only that, but GW2 can cut thru a tin can and still slice tomatoes.
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-Peo- posted:
Not only that, but GW2 can cut thru a tin can and still slice tomatoes.
Hehe, So I am not the only one that feels that way when Jaconkin posts.
I swear he is paid by the developers.
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Hehe, So I am not the only one that feels that way when Jaconkin posts.
I swear he is paid by the developers.
He's just a victim of the hype.
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The_Korrigan posted:
Not bad. You could use the UO skill system instead of Skyrim - both are actually very similar.
Oh, and DAoC PvP sucked. It's the first to have introduced "PvP in a box", which then ended in battlegrounds.
Give me meaningful guild vs guild PvP, a bit like UO but enhanced, where players create their own factions, as opposed to the game doing it for you.
The best thing about DAoC PvP was it was always your choice. You were never forced to go into the Frontier (except for certain quests that were not MUST do) or Darkness Falls. It may not have been perfect, but it left the choice up to the player. I know, most games have PvP servers etc. But with DAoC you didn't have to make that one time choice. You could have both worlds in one. I can't see why anyone would not like being able to have that choice, except for lowbie gankers I guess.
I liked the three realm deal. I'm not sure it had the effect Mythic wanted, but for an altaholic like me, it gave a lot of options.
PvP in a box? I disagree. Once you reached max level, it was like moving on to a new game. Yes, ToA screwed that up. But if a new crew can re-create that type of situation, without forcing players back to the PvE world to get better at PvP, I think it worked well.
As for skill systems, I was always a fan of ACs. UOs was good too. In either system I'd leave out the ability to lower skills though. Maybe it's just me but, if you want to play a different toon or class, roll another.
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-Peo- posted:
Not only that, but GW2 can cut thru a tin can and still slice tomatoes.
It slices, it dices, it juliannes.
I heard if you pre-order GW2, you get a free pocket fisherman too!
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AC with auto AE loot.
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Marzuk posted:
DAOC's PvP just was not compelling. People only bothered for the RAs, and usually stopped around RR3 to RR5, which even back in the day was only a month or so of nightly Emain grinding.
DAoC's PvP was plenty "compelling". Moreso than pretty much every other game on the market at the moment.
You PvP'd because you wanted to. Wanted to get the RA's, yeah, so you could be more effective in PvP further on. Wanted to help take keeps and hopefully bring out opposition if no one was around at the time, or defend them. Wanted to help take relics or defend your own. You simply wanted to get out there and kill someone, because it was fun. Either having a good time playing with guildies, or even out soloing on a stealther.
This is a problem I'm seeing too much of. Players are so "I have no motivation to do this". If you're a gamer you don't need motivation to play ffs.
This is how a WoW player thinks. I need motivation to progress my character, to PvP, to play at all. Annoys the piss outta me
You don't need motivation to play games like Minecraft, Skyrim, Dark Souls etc. You play them because they are fun.
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This is how a WoW player thinks. I need motivation to progress my character, to PvP, to play at all. Annoys the piss outta me
You don't need motivation to play games like Minecraft, Skyrim, Dark Souls etc. You play them because they are fun.
I haven't played those three but I totally agree that good games make you WANT to play them. Not because you have some OCD goal to max everything (though there's nothing specifically wrong with that being your motivation) but just the joy of doing something entertaining.
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The_Korrigan posted:
-MrBean- posted:
Hehe, So I am not the only one that feels that way when Jaconkin posts.
I swear he is paid by the developers.
He's just a victim of the hype.
Aye, that is right, better that, than to be a bitter individual who can find little joy in any matter when it comes to anything who sits here and posts at the VN measuring who has the bigger epeen by constantly attacking one another.
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