-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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Chainz_TD posted:

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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DTSourD posted:

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Chainz_TD posted:

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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Mistatecal posted:

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DTSourD posted:

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Chainz_TD posted:

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[quote=-Foxy-]ac is one of a kind.

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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Volthorn posted:

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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after the feb patch this will no longer be true.

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Hot_Shot_TD posted:

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Yes, I'm aware of the update and what they are doing:

Quote Sev
All of the melee skills will be condensed into 3 new skills.
Heavy Weapons: A 6/6 one handed melee combat skill based off Strength/Coordination.
Light Weapons: A 4/4 one handed melee combat skill based off Strength/Coordination.
Finesse Weapons: A 4/4 one handed melee combat skill based off Quickness/Coordination.

New Skills:
A 2/2 Dual Wield skill may be on the table. This skill would allow you to wield a weapon in your off hand and use an alternate Dual Wield animation while attacking. Your attacks would alternate between the two weapons, and your weapon swings would be delivered faster than a single weapon. Attack modifiers for each weapon would only apply to attacks with that weapon, and you would use only the highest defense modifier from the two weapons.

A 4/2 Sneak Attack skill based on Coordination/Quickness has been discussed. This skill would do extra damage from behind by making a check against your attack roll when you hit from behind. If the Sneak Attack also hits you'd do an extra 10 damage rating for trained and an extra 20 damage rating for specialized Sneak Attack hits. In addition, characters with high Deception skills would have a small (2-5%) chance to proc some of the extra damage with front hits, but the extra damage rating would be halved for Deception hits.

A 2/2 Dirty Fighting skill based on Coordination would have different effects based on the attack height of the swing. Your high swings would have a chance to debuff attack skills. Your low swings would have a chance to debuff melee defense and missile defense. Your mid swings would have a chance to cause a bleed effect on the target and to debuff healing effects as well. The bleed effect would scale with the value of the weapon; weapons from lower tiers would have a light bleed effect, weapons from mid tiers would have a medium bleed effect, and weapons from the highest tier would have a heavy bleed effect. The heaviest bleed effect would not be as good as any of the Nether damage over time spells.

The chance to activate the debuffs would be based on the skill level and could range as high as 25%. Characters with the skill specialized would use a better version of the debuff effects. The values of these debuffs are still being discussed.

A 4/2 Recklessness skill based on Quickness and Strength would be activated only when you were swinging at nearly maximum speed. All hits that are *not* critical strikes would be boosted by up to 20 damage rating, and all incoming strikes against you that were *not* critical strikes would similarly be boosted by up to 20 damage rating while this skill was active. The actual damage modifier would be based on your Recklessness skill and how close it was to your attack skill. If Recklessness is equal to or greater than your attack skill then you get the full benefit of 20 damage rating on strikes that are not critical hits. The additional damage you take from non-critical hits is always equal to the damage you output so you could intentionally not raise the skill if you wanted an option to do 10 damage rating and take an additional 10 damage rating from hits that are not critical strikes


I just fail to see how it makes AC like every other MMO... This is still very unique. Infact it makes melees even more interesting and unique template wise in my opinion. Adds alot of excitement to combat aswell.

Cool Template Examples:
Melee: Heavy Weapon, Shield Skill, Dirty Fighting... Or Heavy Weapon, Dual Weild, Recklessness..... or Light Weapon, Dual Weild, Recklessness and Dirty Fighting... Or Light Weapon, Sneak Attack, Dirty Fighting.. TONS of options
Twohand: Twohand Combat, Dirty Fighting, and/or Recklessness
Archer: Missle Combat, Finesse, Dual Wield, Snake Attack.

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Hot_Shot_TD posted:

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Snake Attack.

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Mrs_Adventure posted:

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Reading all of that I can look back at WoW or Rift classes and name the classes these new "skills" tie to in those MMO's.

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Volthorn posted:

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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after the feb patch this will no longer be true.

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AC4LifeXxX posted:

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Currently you have people who are melee, missile, magic or hybrids.

After the February patch you will have people who are melee, missile, magic or hybrids.

This change doesn't even come close to suddenly making the game "class based". Class based games have limits on armor, damage, skills, weapons, etc. In AC you can still be a mage in max armor who uses a shield when he is in trouble. You cannot even come close to doing that in class based games.

Change isn't something to fear, it should be something that is expected.

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Hot_Shot_TD posted:

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AC will not be a Rift, Aion, Wow, Swtor, or any other mmorpg clone after the february patch. I have played many of these games to end game. The combat, template, game mechanics, and what makes Asheron's Call the game it is will still exist and in my opinion is far different from any of these games. I fail to see how the condensed melee skills and introduction of new skills destroys the uniqueness of this game and is now all of a sudden like every other mmorpg.

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Severlin posted:

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Heavy Weapons: A 6/6 one handed melee combat skill based off Strength/Coordination.
Light Weapons: A 4/4 one handed melee combat skill based off Strength/Coordination.
Finesse Weapons: A 4/4 one handed melee combat skill based off Quickness/Coordination.

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Mrs_Adventure posted:

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Hot_Shot_TD posted:

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AC will not be a Rift, Aion, Wow, Swtor, or any other mmorpg clone after the february patch. I have played many of these games to end game. The combat, template, game mechanics, and what makes Asheron's Call the game it is will still exist and in my opinion is far different from any of these games. I fail to see how the condensed melee skills and introduction of new skills destroys the uniqueness of this game and is now all of a sudden like every other mmorpg.

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How is it different then those other MMO's past February?


We wont see strait UA player, instead now we will see a basic melee class with secondary skills. AKA a class/skill tree set-up. I'm not saying that isn't already the move now as I don't know to many people playing a one off toon class. The player base already seems to stick with what spec/trained set up works best. Back in the day I was the crazy fool who took ManaC and spec'ed it to be different then every other mage out there who went either just life spec, or War/Life, or Critter/Life.

You say its nothing alike... I say otherwise..

After playing every large MMO from Meridian 59 to SWTOR all I see is the movement from being different and custom to a movement of being simple or perhaps even to the terminology of being vanillia'ed(you WoW players will get that one).

Severlin posted:

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Heavy Weapons: A 6/6 one handed melee combat skill based off Strength/Coordination.
Light Weapons: A 4/4 one handed melee combat skill based off Strength/Coordination.
Finesse Weapons: A 4/4 one handed melee combat skill based off Quickness/Coordination.

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First lets go ahead and simplify this quote

All of the melee skills will be condensed into 3 new skills.
Heavy Weapons: meaning that large or heavy weapons can be used, they do greater damage but at the cost of slower speeds.
Light Weapons: meaning they are a little light on burden and gain more speed but loose the power of the heavier weapons.
Finesse Weapons: meaning they are extremely light on burden, do less damage but hit faster and more often then the light or heavy weapons.

Seeing as these go across all current melee skills(Sword, Mace, Axe, Staff, UA, Dagger, and Spear) this means there are now 3 classes of melees not 7 unique skills. NO MATTER HOW YOU WANT TO SAY IT THEY ARE CLASS SETS.

Someone using Finesse class, will also be using two of the 3 following "skill tree", Dual Wield, Sneak Attack , and Dirty Fighting. Now reading the "skill tree" aka new skills listed this reminds me of one class from WoW or Rift, the rouge.

Someone using the Heavy Weapons will also be using tow of the 3 following "skill tree", Dual Wield, Dirty Fighting, and Recklessness. Why? because reading the skill tree tells me these are one of the following base classes... Warrior, Death Knight, or Paladin.


Come February the only difference between AC and other MMO's will be the PK side of AC. At one point I would say housing as well but AC isn't the only MMO out there with player housing. The PK is only different because unlike the other large MMO's you can EVADE and resist inbound attacks from any level! The closest MMO with the PvP of AC is Darkfall, and its not really that great.


The original Classes,
Adventurer
Archer
Blademaster
Enchanter
Life Mage
Sorcerer
Vagabond
Warrior

The first change of classes,
Adventurer
Bow Hunter
Life Caster
Soldier
Swashbuckler
War Mage
Wayfarer

The February change of classes,
Adventurer
**Sub Class
***Mage
***Melee
***Missle


I could go on and on... but whats the point. We all have our opinions and our own views and they all smell like ****.

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AC4LifeXxX posted:

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Currently you have people who are melee, missile, magic or hybrids.

After the February patch you will have people who are melee, missile, magic or hybrids.

This change doesn't even come close to suddenly making the game "class based". Class based games have limits on armor, damage, skills, weapons, etc. In AC you can still be a mage in max armor who uses a shield when he is in trouble. You cannot even come close to doing that in class based games.

Change isn't something to fear, it should be something that is expected.

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Blackmancer posted:

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I agree with Hot Shot. You people that think AC is like all the other MMO's now are not even paying attention. AC has so many more differentiating factors. I never once in 12 years thought to myself that the weapon system is why i like AC. It was always something broken that we just looked past because of all the other cool things.

I suppose some anti-change people said the same thing when AC went away from the spell economy, or went away from the spell research system, or old school components. The point is that you don't make a change that makes sense just because there might be another game it reminds you of.

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Mrs_Adventure posted:

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How is it different then those other MMO's past February?

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Volthorn posted:

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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after the feb patch this will no longer be true.

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Hot_Shot_TD posted:

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Many elements of Asheron's Call are radically different from most other MMORPGs. For example, Asheron's Call does not divide its world into different level zones. While some areas are much more dangerous to players than others, there is nonetheless a mix of different creatures types that creates much more unpredictability than is present in other games.

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Mrs_Adventure posted:

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How is it different then those other MMO's past February?

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Volthorn posted:

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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after the feb patch this will no longer be true.

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Hot_Shot posted:

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For Example:
In Wow if you are a warrior you are a warrior and can not do the same things a "Druid" can.

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Mrs_Adventure posted:

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Who's saying it wont have "unique features" the after the february patch?

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Volthorn posted:

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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Hot_Shot_TD posted:

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Unlike many other games of the genre characters are not locked into a specific class, and can even reallocate previously selected skills to acquire other skills later in the game.

Many elements of Asheron's Call are radically different from most other MMORPGs. A key difference is that Asheron's Call does not use character level as the major determinant in the outcome of a combat. Level simply determines what skills are available, and it is the skills and equipment of players and creatures that determine the outcome. Whereas in many games a player will be able to move a cursor over an opponent and instantly know from their level whether they will be successful in combat, in Asheron's Call a character might be able to defeat much higher level foes or lose to much lower level ones, again depending upon one's skill choices and equipment. As with the absence of specific level zones, this creates a higher degree of unpredicatability than in most games of this type.


Other Huge difference:

~ Unlike most other games of the genre that draw upon existing fantasy fiction, most of Asheron's Call's creatures are original, unique creatures. Instead of elves and goblins there are the insect-like Olthoi, the cat-like humanoid Drudges, the giant grey-skinned humanoid Lugians and the reptilian Sclavus, to name a few.

~ The world itself is large at over 500 square miles. Unlike many other games in the genre, there are no zones. This means players can cross the world on foot without loading screens or invisible barriers and any terrain that can be seen in the distance was a real object in the world. It also had a much longer viewing distance then other games of the time, with mountains, bodies of water and other terrain being visible long before it was actually approached.

~ Asheron's Call features a unique allegiance and fealty system that creates formal links between players and rewards cooperative play.[3] A player of a lower level can swear allegiance to a player of a higher level, becoming a vassal of a patron. The patron earns a small percentage of the experience the vassal makes, while the vassal is motivated to seek a patron exchange for money, items, or protection.[6] In the words of one reviewer: "At worst, the allegiance system is a multilevel marketing scheme, whereby greedy, uncaring Patrons enlist as many Vassals as possible in order to gain large amounts of bonus experience. But at best, the allegiance system can provide a tightly knit companionship for players genuinely interested in helping others and developing an organized assembly."[7] Players may also join together in fellowships, temporarily splitting the experience they gain amongst themselves

~ Players attune themselves to lifestones. Upon losing all of their health players will be resurrected at the last lifestone they attuned themselves to, having lost half their pyreals, one or more valuable items, and temporarily losing a certain percentage of their primary and secondary statistics due what is known as a "vitae penalty".[5] The resurrected player may then go to the place the death occurred and recover the item(s) and pyreals from his or her corpse. If killed by another player the victor is allowed to take the dropped items from the vanquished player. The vitae penalty is removed by gaining a small amount of experience.


There are millions of differences that makes Asherons Call unique. They are not the same.

This statement is Wrong. You Fail:

Volthorn posted:

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-Foxy- posted:

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ac is one of a kind.

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after the feb patch this will no longer be true.

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Whatch these videos
http://ac.wikkii.net/wiki/New_Player_Guide

Video 1
- Movement
- No Classes!
- Swarms of Monnters
- Player made programs
- 10 Years of Content
- Details of Asherons Call Story
- Character Creation

Video 2
- Melee
- Ranged
- Mage
- The magic system
- Item/Creature/Life/War magic
- Tradeskills and the Treasure System
- Alchemy
- Cooking
- Fletching

Video 3
- Tinkering (all 4 skills)
- Endurance Explained
- Armor mechanics
- Segmented armor
- Non-Segmented armor
- Personal Favorites
- In-game writing
- Misc Stuff

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Volthorn posted:

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go ahead and pay 12.95 a month time however many account you happen to play for a game that will play like others but still have 1999 graphics. have fun till april or may when they pull the plug due to low sub number.

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Mrs_Adventure posted:

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Volthorn posted:

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go ahead and pay 12.95 a month time however many account you happen to play for a game that will play like others but still have 1999 graphics. have fun till april or may when they pull the plug due to low sub number.

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We've been hearing that from around 2005 forward and the game is still rolling along.

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Hot_Shot_TD posted:

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Mrs_Adventure posted:

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Volthorn posted:

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go ahead and pay 12.95 a month time however many account you happen to play for a game that will play like others but still have 1999 graphics. have fun till april or may when they pull the plug due to low sub number.

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We've been hearing that from around 2005 forward and the game is still rolling along.

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Yeah

Also I hate to point out the obvious yet again...the graphics are not from 1999....

1999 Graphics:


2005:
"Throne of Destiny, which includes a graphics upgrade, new player race and new landmass was released on July 18, 2005. The entire graphics engine has been updated, with thousands of new textures and improvements to key models."

Difference before & after:


2010:
Landscape textures have been improved.
Landscape distance fog added.

Difference before & after:






Edit: Just for fun now compare this drudge to this drudge lol

1999:


2011:

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