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Get new motherboard 990 FX I have MSI 880GM-P51 and get another 450 GTS and SLI or get a 560 GTX TI (The SLI route is cheaper believe it or not)
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I'm not a big fan of sli or crossfire. Are you running more than one monitor or running a huge screen (30in+) ?
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nope just a 24" LED-LCD tv.
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If your a tinkerer you can try make the game profiles work and filter through drivers to find the best version for any said game, or you can make it easier on yourself and just get a single card.
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The GTS 450 SLI is going to have faster maximum FPS.
However the GTX 560 is likely to feel smoother.
The GTS 450 is half the price of the GTX 560 though.
If you don't mind the roller coaster that is SLI/Crossfire, then getting another GTS 450 looks like a good value.
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The GTS 450 SLI is going to have faster maximum FPS.
However the GTX 560 is likely to feel smoother.
The GTS 450 is half the price of the GTX 560 though.
If you don't mind the roller coaster that is SLI/Crossfire, then getting another GTS 450 looks like a good value.
Ok also would you upgrade my CPU I have a phenom II x4 925, also I think im going to need a better case for SLI setup what would you do.
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If you're going to get into a situation where one upgrade cascades into more upgrades, I would just build a new system IMO.
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If you're going to get into a situation where one upgrade cascades into more upgrades, I would just build a new system IMO.
Well what would you recommend getting I have 1 450 GTS, an AMD Phenom II X4 925, 4 GB G skill DDR 3, and a Corsair TX 750 PSU.
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For contemporary specific build/part recommendations I leave that to people who are up to date on current hardware offerings. I am talking about build strategy & costs. I've long found that upgrades are generally not worth doing unless a mistake or under-estimation was made during the initial build, plus I don't much care for orphaned parts.
I build a new system every three to four years, doing my catch up research before ordering parts for the new system. You can plug a performance hole with a upgrade, but back to my initial concern, be wary of getting into a situation where that upgrade is going to cascade. If you think it is, then it is time to build anew IMO.
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Ok I have succeed in the fact that I am going to upgrade the whole build I was thinking of going Intel for the reason of not having to upgrade soon (Phenom's have been out forever) and SB's just came out not to long ago.
The motherboard I was looking at was the ASrock z68 motherboard 124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271 Motherboard
The processor that I was looking at was either the Intel Core I3 2100 or I5-2500k I was wondering if the I5-2500k would be worth it as of right now because Ivy Bridge will be coming out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 I3 2100 Processor Or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 I5 2500k Processor
The Case that I was looking at was the Coolermaster Haf 912 as I think it is big enough and has great cable management support and the price is low too (If you can direct me in any cheaper ones that are the same way please dont feel to hesitate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&Tpk=Haf%20912 Case
The Videocard that I was looking at was the Powercolor 6870 as it should be strong enough to support any games that I want to play on High-Ultra settings with NP. 1920 X 1080
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131378
Now to the vn community would these make worthwhile upgrades ?
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Ok I have succeed in the fact that I am going to upgrade the whole build I was thinking of going Intel for the reason of not having to upgrade soon (Phenom's have been out forever) and SB's just came out not to long ago.
The motherboard I was looking at was the ASrock z68 motherboard 124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271 Motherboard
The processor that I was looking at was either the Intel Core I3 2100 or I5-2500k I was wondering if the I5-2500k would be worth it as of right now because Ivy Bridge will be coming out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 I3 2100 Processor Or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 I5 2500k Processor
The Case that I was looking at was the Coolermaster Haf 912 as I think it is big enough and has great cable management support and the price is low too (If you can direct me in any cheaper ones that are the same way please dont feel to hesitate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&Tpk=Haf%20912 Case
The Videocard that I was looking at was the Powercolor 6870 as it should be strong enough to support any games that I want to play on High-Ultra settings with NP. 1920 X 1080
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131378
Now to the vn community would these make worthwhile upgrades ?
Good motherboard, although if you don't plan on SLI/crossfire you could drop to a board with only 1 PCI express slot and save some money.
As for processors, the I3's are only dual core parts, where as most of the I5's are quad core. So I would suggest an i5 and the 2500k is a great part.
I am a fan of Coolermaster cases. (Have 2 myself from my current and previous computer) Don't have the Haf 912 but it looks decent. If I recall the 2.5/ssd cage is removable if you have a larger PSU. And the middle HD cage is also removable to help with airflow.
I'm not a fan of AMD/ATI so I can't tell you about that choice.
I suggest you also look into a decent PSU to go along with these parts. Dunno what you currently have, but if you have the money it would be advisable.
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Ok I have succeed in the fact that I am going to upgrade the whole build I was thinking of going Intel for the reason of not having to upgrade soon (Phenom's have been out forever) and SB's just came out not to long ago.
The motherboard I was looking at was the ASrock z68 motherboard 124.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157271 Motherboard
The processor that I was looking at was either the Intel Core I3 2100 or I5-2500k I was wondering if the I5-2500k would be worth it as of right now because Ivy Bridge will be coming out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115078 I3 2100 Processor Or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 I5 2500k Processor
The Case that I was looking at was the Coolermaster Haf 912 as I think it is big enough and has great cable management support and the price is low too (If you can direct me in any cheaper ones that are the same way please dont feel to hesitate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233&Tpk=Haf%20912 Case
The Videocard that I was looking at was the Powercolor 6870 as it should be strong enough to support any games that I want to play on High-Ultra settings with NP. 1920 X 1080
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131378
Now to the vn community would these make worthwhile upgrades ?
Good motherboard, although if you don't plan on SLI/crossfire you could drop to a board with only 1 PCI express slot and save some money.
As for processors, the I3's are only dual core parts, where as most of the I5's are quad core. So I would suggest an i5 and the 2500k is a great part.
I am a fan of Coolermaster cases. (Have 2 myself from my current and previous computer) Don't have the Haf 912 but it looks decent. If I recall the 2.5/ssd cage is removable if you have a larger PSU. And the middle HD cage is also removable to help with airflow.
I'm not a fan of AMD/ATI so I can't tell you about that choice.
I suggest you also look into a decent PSU to go along with these parts. Dunno what you currently have, but if you have the money it would be advisable.
The PSU I have currently Is a Corsair TX 750, and It's fine.
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I chose ATI as the videocard due to price/performance ratio the 6870 is on top of the charts!
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So do you guys think this a worthwhile upgrade or should I keep my Phenom II x4 925, and just upgrade the mobo/gpu?
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So do you guys think this a worthwhile upgrade or should I keep my Phenom II x4 925, and just upgrade the mobo/gpu?
For gaming, your GTS 450 is hurting you a lot more than your PII X4 925. If you aren't itching to spend money on new everything, then I'd just get a better video card first and give that a try. That alone will be a big improvement.
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So do you guys think this a worthwhile upgrade or should I keep my Phenom II x4 925, and just upgrade the mobo/gpu?
For gaming, your GTS 450 is hurting you a lot more than your PII X4 925. If you aren't itching to spend money on new everything, then I'd just get a better video card first and give that a try. That alone will be a big improvement.
It was so my brother could actually use Protools bla, bla BSOD's on his machine tryed everything needs new machine so I was gonna upgrade and swap out also you said you've been having problems with ATI?
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It was so my brother could actually use Protools bla, bla BSOD's on his machine tryed everything needs new machine so I was gonna upgrade and swap out also you said you've been having problems with ATI?
Most of the issues I have with ATI are typically Crossfire related and I imagine Nvidia has some of those issues too. For someone using a single card I think ATI should be just as good as Nvidia.
Nvidia does have an advantage of having an inside relationship with many game developers. Nvidia essentially pays them to give them exclusive access to the game. They get their drivers ready ahead of time. Meanwhile ATI is left on the outside having to wait for the game to be released before they can start working on the drivers. Example, Skyrim launched two and a half weeks ago, Nvidia had optimized drivers for it before launch, ATI just released them today. Sometimes it works in reverse, but much less frequently.
For single cards, it's usually not going to matter a lot how quickly optimized drivers come out. But for Crossfire/SLI it's a pretty big deal. So I would only say be hesitant about ATI if you tend to play games as they are released and are using Crossfire.
PS. I should mention I've been using ATI for the last 3 years now (4870 X2 and now dual unlocked 6950s). I read Nvidia forums, but I tend to focus more on the ATI problems since they are first hand for me. So when I'm crying in despair at how I wish God would kindly strike me dead if I ever buy ATI again, it may not necessarily be the best advice for everyone else. And I usually feel a little guilty afterwards. 
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It was so my brother could actually use Protools bla, bla BSOD's on his machine tryed everything needs new machine so I was gonna upgrade and swap out also you said you've been having problems with ATI?
Most of the issues I have with ATI are typically Crossfire related and I imagine Nvidia has some of those issues too. For someone using a single card I think ATI should be just as good as Nvidia.
Nvidia does have an advantage of having an inside relationship with many game developers. Nvidia essentially pays them to give them exclusive access to the game. They get their drivers ready ahead of time. Meanwhile ATI is left on the outside having to wait for the game to be released before they can start working on the drivers. Example, Skyrim launched two and a half weeks ago, Nvidia had optimized drivers for it before launch, ATI just released them today. Sometimes it works in reverse, but much less frequently.
For single cards, it's usually not going to matter a lot how quickly optimized drivers come out. But for Crossfire/SLI it's a pretty big deal. So I would only say be hesitant about ATI if you tend to play games as they are released and are using Crossfire.
PS. I should mention I've been using ATI for the last 3 years now (4870 X2 and now dual unlocked 6950s). I read Nvidia forums, but I tend to focus more on the ATI problems since they are first hand for me. So when I'm crying in despair at how I wish God would kindly strike me dead if I ever buy ATI again, it may not necessarily be the best advice for everyone else. And I usually feel a little guilty afterwards.
Do you think I'd notice a difference going from a PII X4 to a Intel Core I5-2500k or should I make it cheaper on my self and just buy my brother a 60$ dual core athlon
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You could get by without upgrade it, but you'll certainly feel a difference going up to an i5-2500.
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You could get by without upgrade it, but you'll certainly feel a difference going up to an i5-2500.
Ok and do you think the HAF 912 is a good case and will the 6870 play skyrim on high settings?
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Yeah, I'm a big fan of Cooler Master cases.
i5-2500 and 6870 should have no problem with High setting, probably could even handle Ultra on a 1920x1200 monitor with low AA. Game really doesn't seem that performance demanding.
PII X4 925 and 6870 should be able to handle High settings as well.
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Yeah, I'm a big fan of Cooler Master cases.
i5-2500 and 6870 should have no problem with High setting, probably could even handle Ultra on a 1920x1200 monitor with low AA. Game really doesn't seem that performance demanding.
PII X4 925 and 6870 should be able to handle High settings as well.
DO you think the ASRock Z68 mobo I picked is a good pick, and is cable management with that case easy I was looking at for price/performance
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146066&cm_mmc=ET2011_listing-_-7-_-N82E16811146066&nm_mc=ET2011_listing NZXT PHANTOM RED CASE
It's on sale for 99.99 would you guys buy it, or is it not worth the extra 40$ over the HAF 912.
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146066&cm_mmc=ET2011_listing-_-7-_-N82E16811146066&nm_mc=ET2011_ listing NZXT PHANTOM RED CASE
It's on sale for 99.99 would you guys buy it, or is it not worth the extra 40$ over the HAF 912.
I don't mean to come off as a huge fan of NZXT's products, but I just recently purchased the black Phantom myself. I had built a computer for a friend with an NZXT case, it was nice also. The Phantom must have had a pretty good design team behind it in my opinion. The top and front pop off easily with no issues, as there is nothing connected to the plastic pieces themselves (wires, etc.). The amount of fans is ridiculous. The cable management in this case is some of the best I've seen.
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