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Yeah yeah I know it's an age old debate, but I'm wondering. Can anyone name a recent game where it seemed like all the people with ATI cards are fine, but the nvidia users are suffering from crashing, instability, and other problems?
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None in recent memory really. nVidia has superior drivers and always has. ATI has obviously improved, but they still flop from time to time as you are experiencing with Rage. Star Craft 2 and a few other games needed immediate driver releases to fix issues.
I was one of the first to buy the 9700 Pro when it came out, and I also owned a X1900XT when it came out. While they were good cards, the drivers were never as good as the nVidia drivers. For the most part, I didn't have a lot of issues but I DID have issues. I stick with nVidia mostly because its cards are always the fastest (at a cost of course).
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i had one ati card and it's problems were enough to ensure that i will never have one again. nvidia would have to go out of business or be so horrible that onboard graphics cards are a better option before i'll go back to ati.
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It's interesting, because I'm exclusively using ATI cards since the first Radeon cards (I was ATI developer back then and even got an engineering model of the 8500 months before it was released). And guess what... I never had any of those driver problems people pretend ATI is plagued with. I'm very happy with my actual Radeon HD6870, excellent performance/price ratio and flawless functioning.
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From personal experience, I have had much better luck with Nvidia over ATI. The last 2 ATI cards I have had were flaky depending on the game. 5850 and x800 respectively. It will be a while before I get another ATI (well ok AMD) card..
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SWTOR (beta) and Rage by id software have or had ATI issues.
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Gave up on NVidia a year and a half back. Using ATI now, no problems, but then again, I only use the driver and do not install the CCC or update the because there is a newer driver out.
NVidia has a problem with QA on their drivers. And I dont care if you believe this or not, but there have been 3 sets of drivers in the last 10years that caused NVIDIA GPU fans to slow or STOP during intense gaming...in some cases this has caused the card to die and a new set of drivers was released within 2weeks, previous set disappeared. No acknowledgement of the problem.
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They are the same to me. I get whatever is best for price and performance at a certain mark. I have had issues with Nvidia and ATI drivers, but nothing end of the world type stuff. Currently Nvidia has little screen tearing on BF3 beta here and there (GTX 285).
Last few years it seems ATI/AMD GPU's run a little hotter (& louder) then Nvidia at the mid to high segments. Though I think that has come closer with latest GPUs.
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SWTOR (beta) and Rage by id software have or had ATI issues.
Yeah KOTOR (the original) I remember having issues with my x800 in some of the areas of Dantooine. For some reason ATI would drop to a crawl there (played fine everywhere else).
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I have heard a lot of people's personal experience, and of course this includes both good and bad things with ATI and nVidia users. Someone will have a bad experience with nVidia, then swear to ATI for life, and vice versa.
However, whenever I'm doing research for a story on a new game, if there is an issue with one brand or another as a whole, it is ATI. Yes, nVidia users have problems too, but overall, the numbers show time and time again... ATI FTL.
And when a fix is finally released, it is always updated drivers, not a patch to the game. Not sure if that "proves" who's fault it is, but it's hard not to point the finger.
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It's interesting, because I'm exclusively using ATI cards since the first Radeon cards (I was ATI developer back then and even got an engineering model of the 8500 months before it was released). And guess what... I never had any of those driver problems people pretend ATI is plagued with. I'm very happy with my actual Radeon HD6870, excellent performance/price ratio and flawless functioning.
I must be lucky.
Same here, I've had ATI since my 9800 Pro, never had any of the problems I read about all the time.
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yeah people are totally making up problems with ati and certain games.
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It's so hard to be objective about drivers, since we buy into a video card for at least a year or two. And tend to focus on all it's driver flaws more. Mean while absence from the other brand makes the heart grow fonder.
I'm sure both have flubbered some games with driver updates. It happens. But overall I think both appear to be satisfactory. Though my last two cards have been ATI, so I've been just an observer of Nvidia drivers for a while now. Seems like ATI is doing better about preventing previous bugs from reoccurring (happened a lot in 2009 and 2010). ATI drivers installations have improved a lot too (had a driver install render my OS unbootable and I wasn't the only one).
I really had some ATI driver nightmares during the ownership of my 4870x2. But they began to show real improvements and I was comfortable enough with their progress to buy two 6950s anyway. So far I don't have major regrets. I definitely would have bought Nvidia if my motherboard supported SLI, but at least I'm not in driver hell anymore.
With ATI drivers, I like the color and gamma adjustment settings better. Can't remember why, but I recall these being somewhat awkward to use with Nvidia's drivers. But with Nvidia I like that each game has it's own profile that you can tweak settings on. If I want to force AA in one game, it won't affect others like ATI drivers do (ATI has manual profiles, but they suck).
These days when I'm buying a video card, the drivers weight a lot less on the decision process. Nvidia does have early access to optimize drivers for game before release, but ATI has much more frequent profile updates and is often releasing updates before games release as well.
So I look more at the price, the performance, the cooling solution, and noise, than I do the drivers.
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I never had driver issues with either nVidia or ATI. Using 5870 for over a year now, and had 8800GTS before that. Both run fine. For ATI I have always installed the full CCC package. Always used Intel CPUs for my gaming machines. The only 2 times I got ADM CPU was for my wife's PC and the media PC. Both are plagued by weird hiccups and goofy problems from time to time.
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People that never have driver issues just aren't trying hard enough. 
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http://www.tomshardware.com/news/RAGE-Radeon-GeForce-FPS-Pc-Gaming,13653.html
There you go, purge Carmack rage over drivers 
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Lonestar_1 posted:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/RAGE-Radeon-GeForce-FPS-Pc-Gaming,13653.html
There you go, purge Carmack rage over drivers
Appeared there were Nvidia and AMD driver issues. The AMD ones appeared worse with artifacting and texture popping that didn't happen with the Nvidia drivers.
To make matters worse Rage and Battlefield 3 Beta both came out together. AMD released a beta driver for Rage and a separate beta driver for BF3. So if you were playing both games, then one driver would break the other game. AMD is coming out with another beta driver (might already be available) that combines both fixes. Not sure of Nvidia went through the same drama because of the two games needing emergency drivers at once as well.
However Carmack is also probably deflecting, because it sounds like the game has more issues than just bad video drivers.
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I've had mainly ATI cards and have never had any real issues with them. One reason for that may be that when I have a driver that is working well I stick with it until there are compelling reasons to upgrade it. The more often you mess around with driver installations the more likely you are to have problems in my view.
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Seffrid posted:
I've had mainly ATI cards and have never had any real issues with them. One reason for that may be that when I have a driver that is working well I stick with it until there are compelling reasons to upgrade it. The more often you mess around with driver installations the more likely you are to have problems in my view.
Same here, I take the approach I was taught a long time ago, if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
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As new games like Rage and BF3 show, kinda forced to update regularly though if you want to play newer games with all the eye candy tweaked up.
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This is just my belief, but I seem to be with the masses in this opinion.
Drivers: Nvidia > ATI
Game Compatibility: Nvidia > ATI
SLI/Xfire scaling: Nvidia > ATI
Onboard Video Platforms: Nvidia < ATI (lol ion2)
Linux Support: Nvidia > ATI
Price to Performance: This door swings back and forth every month or two.
There are a few more categories we could toss in there but I have had too much to drink and you get the picture. Overall the winner is easily Nvidia although admittedly I do like ATI's hardware more, even though most of their venders look fairly questionable.
I have been bitten several times by ATI's drivers and although it sucked, I would upgrade to an ATI card again if it better suited my needs than the Nvidia cards I currently have. Overall though Nvidia is your safer bet for your money.
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More like
Drivers: Nvidia = ATI both have had totally catastrophic driver releases. I remember the NVidia drivers which were frying cards.
Game Compatibility: Nvidia = ATI
SLI/Xfire scaling: Nvidia > ATI no idea, I don't use multiple cards, I think it's useless crap, so I don't care, so I trust you here.
Onboard Video Platforms: Nvidia < ATI
Linux Support: Nvidia = ATI
Price/Performance ratio: Nvidia <<<<< ATI
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I've used 3 different Nvidia cards and 2 different ATI cards. In my experience Nvidia > ATI.
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This thread is degenerating into the usual exchange of personal preferences, as "ATI or Nvidia" threads always do...
It's entirely subjective. There is no "right" answer, not least because ATI supporters invariably rely on Nvidia's historic reputation for compatibility issues, while Nvidia supporters invariably rely on ATI's historic reputation for driver issues, which only goes to show they have always been pretty level-pegging and subject to personal preferences - and nothing has changed in that respect!
Fact is, they both make decent graphics cards that are well supported these days by developers and drivers alike. Just as well, given that no-one else does!
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I kinda agree with you Seffrid, but remains the price/performance factor.
For similar performances, AMD/ATI is usually much cheaper than NVidia.
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Seffrid posted:
This thread is degenerating into the usual exchange of personal preferences, as "ATI or Nvidia" threads always do..
Personal preference coupled with quite a bit of anecdotal evidence.
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I've been very happy with my ATI card.
It runs all the games I play, I see no need to change at present.
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I kinda agree with you Seffrid, but remains the price/performance factor.
For similar performances, AMD/ATI is usually much cheaper than NVidia.
You get what you pay for.
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AMD's new driver download tool sure is pissing me off though.
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We should get Persistant or BT in here to settle this debate. They are good at FUD.
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I dropped ATI/AMD after I started to have major issues with opengl games I was playing. Mainly City of Heroes. Although I have recently heard Nvidia having driver problems with newer opengl stuff, but I haven't looked into much.
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We should get Persistant or BT in here to settle this debate. They are good at FUD.
I can help you out on BT's views on graphics cards. It'll be whichever one Ron Paul uses.
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We should get Persistant or BT in here to settle this debate. They are good at FUD.
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my HD 4850 in my spare computer doesnt like the newest drivers. it seems to only work on 11.7. if you try updating to 11.8 (before 11.9 came out) it would just go blank and lock up the system lol. have yet to really try updating to the 11.9 bc im not really having any issues with 11.7.
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AMD's new driver download tool sure is pissing me off though.
Never Use TOOLS. Nvidias is also bad about mis-diagnosing the chips drivers needed.
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