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I was not going to make a statement here, but I thought I would simply put on the table the reasons for my actions and anyone can make of them what they will.

I am sure that there will be a plethora of negative points made against me and how I run my quests or against me in general and I have no doubt that much of it will be twisted facts or simply outright fabrications, but in any case, Blackmancer has sworn to grief all of my quests because I booted him from an Aerbax fellow.

I told Blackmancer to stay away from my quests; UCMers

I called out an Aerbax run last night.

Blackmancer said "I will bring one".

I said "no".

When I got to the NPCs and joined the fellow I saw that Blackmancer was in the fellow.

I asked Blackmancer to leave the fellow and let Mythological in.

Blackmancer said "I was here first".

I booted him from the fellow and told him that he was not welcome on my quests and to review the above VN link as to why.

From that point on he gathered a posse of his clan and swore vengeance, clan war and an end to my running public quests.

While his machinations may be problematic to me, I will not be the one who will be impacted the most.

As always, my points have been and are; if someone participates on my quests I ask only that they stay with the group and pay attention to instructions, if that is something that someone cannot do, then I ask them to not come on my quests. If someone does not like how the quests are run, then they simply should not go.

My ultimate and primary goal has always been to have everyone complete the quest and to get their reward, if anyone compromises that goal, especially when conscious of doing so, again, they would not be welcome on the quests I run.

This will be the only post on this subject that I will make here.


 

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nerd You're so powerful, David.

 

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It was a pure accident I was in your fellow to begin with because I thought I was helping G T.
I was talking to him in tells and in /cg because G T was the one that said he needed a couple more for Aerbax. I was trying to help G T because he always helps on quests that I run so I went to MP and was recruited and ran to the end of the Aerbax dungeon and the whole fellow sat there for 30 minutes waiting on Berek to show up. The rest is correct, Berek shows up and promptly asks for leader and boots me.

The Ironic thing is that Berek has actually purposely screwed over quests in the past (ditching out on col win run because he could not handle being given directions nicely) and yet I still have accepted him on a Col win run I did.

To be honest I have no interest in ever joining a quest led by you anyway. There are 100 better things to do in AC then sit around while you try to read some walkthrough and shout orders and threats to people that they better not step out of line.

But don't worry, when i do decide to grief a quest run by you I will be red so you have your chance to stop me.

 

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Don't make me want to come back. LOL

 

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I was here.

 

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Gibbon_raver posted:
clan war and an end to my running public quests.



The second you start rejecting people its no longer a public quest. Its a public announced private quest. With your other post trying to say they jumped your quest, If you get to the dumgeon and there is a group or person there you then sir are the person jumping someone elses quest. You say they jumped your Harby, yet he was down there attacking for 30 mins before you and your group jumped his quest. Personally if I were you.. I'd stop announcing your private quests publicly.


Even Teshi when she ran public quests, if someone she didn't like or had issues with showed up they were welcome to come along because it was a PUBLIC quest for the PUBLIC not a private quest announced publicly for those that she approved of.




By the way Mr. Self proclaimed Questmaster and best quester is Thistldown's history, have you lead single winning col run yet? I would only think a man of your quest status could do at least that a bare minimum.

 

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Mi abuela hizo que lo hace.

usually Berek calls out full when a quest is limited to 1 fellow of 9 -

if Blackmacer just shows up at the quest starting point without identifying that he wants in - at the beginning - isn't just like an uninvited guest at your grill? You only have 9 hot dogs but now you have 10 mouths to feed.

 

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AgzntOrange2 posted:
usually Berek calls out full when a quest is limited to 1 fellow of 9



If everyone was forced to use CG then this would work. However they're not, so this whole "he announces" or his claim of "I ask in CG" isn't a point worth standing on.

 

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Mrs_Adventure posted:
Gibbon_raver posted:
clan war and an end to my running public quests.



The second you start rejecting people its no longer a public quest. Its a public announced private quest. With your other post trying to say they jumped your quest, If you get to the dumgeon and there is a group or person there you then sir are the person jumping someone elses quest. You say they jumped your Harby, yet he was down there attacking for 30 mins before you and your group jumped his quest. Personally if I were you.. I'd stop announcing your private quests publicly.


Even Teshi when she ran public quests, if someone she didn't like or had issues with showed up they were welcome to come along because it was a PUBLIC quest for the PUBLIC not a private quest announced publicly for those that she approved of.




By the way Mr. Self proclaimed Questmaster and best quester is Thistldown's history, have you lead single winning col run yet? I would only think a man of your quest status could do at least that a bare minimum.





I have no clue who appointed you judge and jury. It's obvious you're not qualified being you're biased. There is no fire to fuel here. Move on. peace

 

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This thread almost makes me want to come back... happy

I remember when I used to run public quests... I'd actually let the entire public come with the group. If they "got out of line", no biggie. We had enough strength and organization to complete the quests anyway. If people wanted to ruin the quests, there really is no way to stop them (back when there was no RED on TD). I just sat back and offered to re-run the quest later. That kind of took the steam out of those who would destroy public fun.

Now this poser thinks he can say who can and who can't do a quest? That's funny.

I applaud his stated goal, I condemn his straying from the goals. Tell me how this all works out! *Glued to my seat*

 

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Tao_Roo_Chingon_II posted:
I have no clue who appointed you judge and jury. It's obvious you're not qualified being you're biased. There is no fire to fuel here. Move on. peace



I think we're all a little biased, even you Tao.

If you're going to hold a PUBLIC QUEST don't call it a public quest if you're not allowing the public to go on it. Berek has turned into the one thing he hated at Col =/ He always called us "elitests" because we picked carefully who we would allow on our PRIVATE Col runs, he mocked us and called us out on it. Yet its perfectly fine for him to do it on his so called PUBLIC quests because he isn't an "elitest" like the people who pick who gets to go on their Col runs. He is just something else, like a quest master who does nothing but greatness for the server running publicly announced private quests, kicking who ever he feels is not up to his standards of greatness.

 

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Mrs_Adventure posted:
Tao_Roo_Chingon_II posted:
I have no clue who appointed you judge and jury. It's obvious you're not qualified being you're biased. There is no fire to fuel here. Move on. peace



I think we're all a little biased, even you Tao.

If you're going to hold a PUBLIC QUEST don't call it a public quest if you're not allowing the public to go on it. Berek has turned into the one thing he hated at Col =/ He always called us "elitests" because we picked carefully who we would allow on our PRIVATE Col runs, he mocked us and called us out on it. Yet its perfectly fine for him to do it on his so called PUBLIC quests because he isn't an "elitest" like the people who pick who gets to go on their Col runs. He is just something else, like a quest master who does nothing but greatness for the server running publicly announced private quests, kicking who ever he feels is not up to his standards of greatness.


Honestly, I do my best to not be biased. You on the otherhand sound like one of those screaming at the top of their lungs, "crucify him!! crucify him!!" I have stepped aside in a spirit of live and let live many times only to be trampled on yet again. I have seen elitism at it's best and worst. I continue to assert that there is plenty of room in this game for everyone. Yet there are still those to prove me wrong. I'm certain there are those who honestly don't know they're intruding on others gameplay and more who don't care. I'll continue to walk my path of noninterference, live and let live but when someone clearly steps into my path and has plenty of options to go other ways I will say something.... peace

 

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all the arguments about letting all come are BS this is a locked quest with 9 people - more than 9 can go at one time.

 

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Bailiff, please remove that man.

 

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AgzntOrange2 posted:
all the arguments about letting all come are BS this is a locked quest with 9 people - more than 9 can go at one time.


You're right its a locked fellow, to call it a public quest then kick someone after the fellow is formed(though gem not dropped to lock the quest) because you don't like them makes it a private quest that is publicly advertised not a public quest that is publicly advertised. Is there any part of that not slamming you in the forehead making you go "oh that's what he means!"? I've got no issue with the fact he runs these quests, I've got no problem with him picking his "group" to run on the quest. I've just got a problem with his claim that he runs these quest as a PUBLIC service to the server, when its a private server offered to whom ever he wants.


It would be like being one of those "elitist" col run quests that looked for pubbers needing a win to finish out a fellow, but not taking them because they "insert some reason here" to "insert char name here" even if they had every other requirement meet for the group.


Gibbon_raver posted:
While I am sure a top notch team can do this fairly easily, this now brings a win within reach to those who don't have rares to spend like tapers or are part of an elite cliche.


Other great posts to quote for those saying he openly posts in CG about the quests....


agnari posted:
you may also get a better response if you get off the /cg channel. a lot of people have it perma squelched for the utter stupidity on it.

 

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What about when Berek runs 3 Claudes in a row calling out fellow full will do another run - I don't hear people complaining when Berek runs so many times so everyone can go and benefit. Axerbax is different you can't do again for xx days

 

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-Redfist- posted:

I remember when I used to run public quests... I'd actually let the entire public come with the group. If they "got out of line", no biggie. We had enough strength and organization to complete the quests anyway.

Now this poser thinks he can say who can and who can't do a quest? That's funny.





Red sums up my exact philosophy quite well. If I announce a quest then I really dont care who wants to tag along or in the case of a locked fellow I dont exclude people if I dont like them.

The only time I ever excluded anyone from a quest was a couple people for a Col win run because they didnt have slayers or fists. In some cases I went as far as to let them loot my GY chest keys and gave them the 15 coins and weapon glyph for a soulbound. I did that for Thray and dont even like him lol. The way I see it is we have 100 people who play this game on TD, we are way past the point of questing with only certain people or cliques.


Besides I lose the right to say who can or cant go on a quest once I announce it publicly. In the case of Col win runs youll notice most people put it in their announcement that they are "ISO mages with fist and slayers" or "ISO col ready players"

 

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No problem with that what so long as he doesn't do one of those public announcement's then decides to kick someone and replace them because he has some issue with them.

If you're going to make it public you have to let the public go on it.


Its kind of like Jade, if the free service tinker bot suddenly had issue with a person and banned them from using the bot, but didn't ban them for abusing the bot based of abusing the bot, but because of other issues on another char(because there are a few of those banned), would it be any different then doing what Berek did?

 

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Blackmancer posted:
But don't worry, when i do decide to grief a quest run by you I will be red so you have your chance to stop me.




That's the only thing I don't like about this drama wink

PKL I'd be OK with because you can get people to go PKL these days, but getting people to go red takes a turbine event tongue

 

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[quote=Blackmancer], but getting people to go red takes a turbine event tongue



Mostly the reason im quitting again. Turbine needs to take pkl out and make a reason for people to PK again. Land war, society or something. People need to man up and do something challenging.

 

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Carlon before you quit I would hang around and see what the BZ event is going to bring. I have a feeling there will be some red content coming and am hoping you and shadow will be ready to participate. Maybe you can help bring a new Red Era to TD!

Besides you can always log on to say hi like Thor once and month and do a new quest or 2 and Aug gem instead of quitting. Dont ever quit just hang out part time and do what is interesting from month to month imo.

 

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Personally I think this is a sad argument I have had conflict with both people in the past but you move on. I locked down Aerbex on Berek for 5 hours one night it got sparker all over me for griefing (It is not my fault I want to solo AB over and over) he said both of us need to stop fighting and cooperate. It was good advice because in the end Berek and me put our differences aside. He is a good quest leader that does far more good for the general population that most people out there. If you do not like his methods do not go on his quests. You have to show a certain level of control when you deal with so many different backgrounds and playstyles(see herding cats). That being said Blackmancer is also very good about open quests and did a fair amount of selfless questing to help the general population. It is disappointing to see two people who have different styles not get along with the same idea of helping everyone. If the two of you cooperated instead of pissing each other off imagine what you could accomplish.

As far as the Col comment BIG F**KING DEAL you sound like LOW and other retards in that clan that would always brag about owning one quest when there are 100's of useful ones.

People who help everyone are good for the game there will always be personal animosity between people in AC. My list of people I dislike and who dislike me is as thick as a chinese phone book but I also understand you do not get much accomplished with starting problems with everyone pick your battles.

 

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Personally i blame the lack of Instances and Phases in AC tech, although at this point we should be glad they still keep this thing going at all.

Same goes for Players btw: We are way too few left for such petty quarrels, we should be old enough to work around these minor differences and enjoy the game while it lasts.

 

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You know, I ran quests back in the day and would allow anyone to come along, but if they did something I really didn't like I would boot them. The point is, no matter what it's called it's still Bereks quest. And Berek is here for his own enjoyment, not everyone elses. And if he gets enjoyment from helping other then that is also good for others. And if someone is doing something to take that enjoyment away, well, he's running the quest so he should be the final authority. Berek's not a punching bag, but I have seen people on this server beat him up over stupid crap to satisfy themselves. I really think he's underappreciated here. He seriously does do a great service. If I did not like my last monarch (WS) so much I would have sworn under Berek and as I was it felt like I was being tugged in 2 different directions even though no one ever tried to have me break and swear under them.

 

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Well, I ran Para Queen last night and The Fury clan did not grief it, so I appreciate Blackmancer, et al, for not following up on their vendetta. Although, there are still the quests tonight.

I must admit that I lol'd at Mrs Adventure's torquing of logic and reason to rather bizarre extremes. Nice sig too, lol. Yes, I am the self-proclaimed quest-nazi; "NO QUEST FOR YOU! MOVE ALONG!". I still routinely get 3 fellows on quest runs after 6 years of running public quests, so it can't be too bad.

Awww, you are so sweet Reap! Thanks!

What I find interesting as well are those who criticize me and how I run my quests the most are those who do not go on them, and I do not mean the one offs, as well as those who throw anecdotes about running a quest or two 10+ years ago.

EDIT: For Mrs Adventure's sake; when I say "public", I mean anyone who I have not squelched, i.e., thieves, trolls, griefers, etc., is welcome.

 

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AgzntOrange2 posted:
What about when Berek runs 3 Claudes in a row calling out fellow full will do another run - I don't hear people complaining when Berek runs so many times so everyone can go and benefit. Axerbax is different you can't do again for xx days


first and foremost, that's not true, you can actually que up a win right after turning in aerbax, and once your timer is up simply visit the npc in the dungeon to get your next reward.

secondly normally berek runs aerbax more then once to get everyone in if there is more interest then spots, even leading on an alt if necessary.

 

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Axispipe posted:
AgzntOrange2 posted:
What about when Berek runs 3 Claudes in a row calling out fellow full will do another run - I don't hear people complaining when Berek runs so many times so everyone can go and benefit. Axerbax is different you can't do again for xx days


first and foremost, that's not true, you can actually que up a win right after turning in aerbax, and once your timer is up simply visit the npc in the dungeon to get your next reward.

secondly normally berek runs aerbax more then once to get everyone in if there is more interest then spots, even leading on an alt if necessary.


Actually, for aerbax you have to wait an hour after you talk to the emissary before being able to return. I have learned that lesson the hard way, lol.

 

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I agree with what reapist said the guy is not a punching bag and to run multiple quests constantly is a pain in the ass. He has YEARS of helping people. Its balance no one is perfect and when you are helping for the greater good of the game by helping people you are allowed to have some small quibbles and personality flaws(BFD about dragon shirts I think Ed Hardy shirts are worse). How many people that play AC are perfect and don't one kind of an issue or another? Again the two of you should work together tackle every quest possible consider it like learning the lore of AC almost every quest or event has a back story. Both people in this fight have some amazing positives that could enhance each others game play and general contribution to the game. I can also explain it in a much easier term for the socially challenged: have you ever benefited for any quest with Berek or Blackmancer? Yes? Good STFU and stop complaining. No BS STFU!. happy

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EDIT: For Mrs Adventure's sake; when I say "public", I mean anyone who I have not squelched, i.e., thieves, trolls, griefers, etc., is welcome.



Then my point I've been trying to make is now proven. It is not a public quest, it is what you hated the most years ago and probably still hate today. You're a privater who is running publicly announced private quests. Because you've admitted that fact, I'm done, you've broke everything I can use to create more drama sad



And I've been on a lot of your quests. Most of the time with you telling me not to run ahead because either we're waiting for someone who missed the last call or someone who died or made the wrong turn or the somewhat rare times even you get lost in a dungeon and have to go check the wiki map. I may not take my mains because they can solo every quest but one that you do, Aerbax's Citadel(but give it time still working on a few toons so I can macro this one). I do that so you never really know who I'm on so I don't have a chance of getting kicked because you might have an issue with me(not really claiming that you would, as you do let me take Jade on your lum quests, but do to our background I think we both know we have a trust issue between the two of us).




 

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Mrs_Adventure posted:
Gibbon_raver posted:
EDIT: For Mrs Adventure's sake; when I say "public", I mean anyone who I have not squelched, i.e., thieves, trolls, griefers, etc., is welcome.


Then my point I've been trying to make is now proven. It is not a public quest, it is what you hated the most years ago and probably still hate today. You're a privater who is running publicly announced private quests. Because you've admitted that fact, I'm done, you've broke everything I can use to create more drama sad

And I've been on a lot of your quests. Most of the time with you telling me not to run ahead because either we're waiting for someone who missed the last call or someone who died or made the wrong turn or the somewhat rare times even you get lost in a dungeon and have to go check the wiki map. I may not take my mains because they can solo every quest but one that you do, Aerbax's Citadel(but give it time still working on a few toons so I can macro this one). I do that so you never really know who I'm on so I don't have a chance of getting kicked because you might have an issue with me(not really claiming that you would, as you do let me take Jade on your lum quests, but do to our background I think we both know we have a trust issue between the two of us).




*shrug* Label me however you want, but it really makes no difference to me or how I have always run my quests and most likely makes no difference to anyone else, excluding those I have squelched, of course, lol. I seriously doubt that you have been on a "lot" of my quests. For example, Jade has come on one and only one lum xp quest, which was the shadow investigation, which is a very quick quest and you waited for us at the bottom of the stairs. Of course, a "lot" is a relative term and in any case, you would only be part of a tiny fraction of those players who regularly join my quests that have issues as to how I run those quests. Again, if you don't like my methods, then don't go.





 

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An odd thing occurred to me earlier today and that was someone in Blackmancer's clan who I had asked to buy something from, said they would sell to me, but would prefer if we could do it somewhere in private. From what I could gather, there has been some sort of edict handed down to the trenches about collaborating with the enemy. This person said that he and other innocents are caught in the middle of our spat. Thinking back now, there was a Fury member on my quest earlier, but while the quest group was sitting at the Cragstone drop, Blackmancer came by and stood there for a few minutes and did not say anything in open chat and then left, so it may be that he was having a conversation with a "wayward" vassal. That is pure speculation, of course.

For the sake of the innocents, I will say that I have been much too judgemental about what is mostly frivolous interpretation than actual intent concerning the perceived quest disruptions. Blackmancer has always been an upstanding citizen on this server. He has provided a great service to many and is one of the top players on this server. I retract my arguments against Blackmancer, in that they lack merit. If he is willing, for the good of his clan and this server in general, then I would please ask that he consider a truce and I will simply run the quests as I do, but with the inclusion that I do not forsake someone until they actually prove to be a clear detriment to all involved.

 

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You guys should figure out the 5 most epic 2 person quests in the game and do them together with the least amount of resources after that you two should get along great.

 

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Hey Berek, choke any women out recently?

 

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Hey Berek, choke any women out recently?


Why? Is your mom looking for a new boyfriend?

 

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N-A-S-T-Y posted:
Hey Berek, choke any women out recently?


Why? Is your mom looking for a new boyfriend?


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I agree, for the good of the server lets all get along.

 

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Hey Berek, choke any women out recently?


I laughed.

 

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Reapist, honestly I thought you would have died from a heart attack by now. But glad to see you still with us champ.

Berek,what type of trouble did you get in for all of that anyways? Or did she just choke on a french fry?

 

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I refuse to take this "peace" agreement as IT GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING I STAND FOR!



































































So I will just sit over here and get back to drinking peacefully. grin

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N-A-S-T-Y posted:
Reapist, honestly I thought you would have died from a heart attack by now. But glad to see you still with us champ.

Berek,what type of trouble did you get in for all of that anyways? Or did she just choke on a french fry?


I've surprised a few!

 

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You all need to get over it and

http://talklikeapirate.com/

Or drink more grog..

Arrghhhhh

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