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"Learn to drop your agro. Many classes have agro dumps, such as Fade for priests and feign death for hunters. Find out if your class has one and put it on your hotbar. Use it after crits or burst damage just to keep yourself from getting agro. If you have an ability that can be cast on another player such as Salvation for paladins, use that too! By making it easier on the tank and heals you help your group and keep your repair bill down."
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Not to mention that the in-game combat text can be set to show aggro percentages now. It only triggers every 10% aggro but it's still useful if you're not using Omen or some other aggro meter.
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Ugh_Lancelot posted:
Not to mention that the in-game combat text can be set to show aggro percentages now. It only triggers every 10% aggro but it's still useful if you're not using Omen or some other aggro meter.
Yeah I got rid of omen the moment they added that to the game. Works just fine.
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The only class with an aggro dump I ever see getting close to the tank's aggro is a warlock.
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Quazimortal posted:
The only class with an aggro dump I ever see getting close to the tank's aggro is a warlock.
qft. 
We've had aggro problems for a while. They lowered the timer on Soulshatter though, so everything's fine now.
Rill: That is absolutely no substitute for Omen. Shame. 
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Blizzard's reasoning behind why not all classes have an aggro dump is absolute crap by the way. Just give everyone a way to lose aggro without dying and quit being arrogant douchebags!
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Blizzard's reasoning behind why not all classes have an aggro dump is absolute crap by the way. Just give everyone a way to lose aggro without dying and quit being arrogant douchebags!
Devs do something that makes total sense? Impossible, it takes years for them to recognize that something needs to be done. See hunter pet leveling, multiple flight path with a single click, mutliple, linked auction houses etc etc.
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Can't ask the B-team to do something that is not retarded.
C'mon guys.
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Rill: That is absolutely no substitute for Omen. Shame.
Hah! What can I say, I'm a minimalist when it comes to addons. I used omen ONLY to make sure I didn't pull aggro from the tank. The in game system does that fine. ^_^
I was raid lead for kara (back in ye olde days whippsnappers!) and did the whole thing without addons. I had a really good mental timer. I just knew about when bosses were going to do abilities so I didn't need DBM to tell me and I kept a close eye on bosses casting things. I'm not that practiced anymore so I run with DBM. I use auctioneer and postal on my bank toon. I'll activate recount sometimes when I'm trying a new rotation or just want to make sure I'm keeping up with everyone else.
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Blizzard's reasoning behind why not all classes have an aggro dump is absolute crap by the way. Just give everyone a way to lose aggro without dying and quit being arrogant douchebags!
Or people could learn how to play.
You shouldn't need a regular aggro dump if 1, you tank doesn't suck and can hold threat, 2, you understand basic concepts like how tank threat works (particularly how vengeance ramps up in thecataclysm era) and dps accordingly (oh gee, I popped all my trinkets and CDs on the pull and got threat, what a surprise), 3, you pay attention to your surroundings and your threat.
Managing aggro is a group thing and part of overall fight strategy and management. The game is already ultra ez-mode, if everyone could readily dump threat there'd be yet another thing gone from the game and it'd be that much dumber and easier. They DO give you in-game threat measurements and addons make threat completely manageable. In ancient times the only way you knew you had threat was when the mob was pounding on you...it's come a long ways since then. :P
What amazes me is people I run with who do use omen and still can't manage or monitor their threat. So many DPSers get totally locked in on their rotations/priorities and can't pay attention to anything else. This is why, I say...
...everyone should play a tank, at least for a while - you get obsessed with threat and watching omen because you always need to be on top and watching who's creaping up. Once you get used to watching omen as a tank, you find you pay attention to it much better when DPSing.
Actually, IMO, everyone should try every role. Like healing. You become a better player period when you experience every perspective of fights and have a better understanding of the big picture. Everyone should lead groups and/or raids a few times too so they can see all the BS leaders have to put up.
I believe I have zero respect for people who only play DPS classes and never step up to accept any responsibility, especially if they can't manage threat and can't deliver absolute top dps. If you can't even be good at the simplest thing in the game, you just suck.
Cata and this latest suck patch haven't made me (more) bitter, not at all.
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Voqar posted:
Quazimortal posted:
Blizzard's reasoning behind why not all classes have an aggro dump is absolute crap by the way. Just give everyone a way to lose aggro without dying and quit being arrogant douchebags!
Or people could learn how to play.
You shouldn't need a regular aggro dump if 1, you tank doesn't suck and can hold threat, 2, you understand basic concepts like how tank threat works (particularly how vengeance ramps up in thecataclysm era) and dps accordingly (oh gee, I popped all my trinkets and CDs on the pull and got threat, what a surprise), 3, you pay attention to your surroundings and your threat.
Managing aggro is a group thing and part of overall fight strategy and management. The game is already ultra ez-mode, if everyone could readily dump threat there'd be yet another thing gone from the game and it'd be that much dumber and easier. They DO give you in-game threat measurements and addons make threat completely manageable. In ancient times the only way you knew you had threat was when the mob was pounding on you...it's come a long ways since then. :P
What amazes me is people I run with who do use omen and still can't manage or monitor their threat. So many DPSers get totally locked in on their rotations/priorities and can't pay attention to anything else. This is why, I say...
...everyone should play a tank, at least for a while - you get obsessed with threat and watching omen because you always need to be on top and watching who's creaping up. Once you get used to watching omen as a tank, you find you pay attention to it much better when DPSing.
Actually, IMO, everyone should try every role. Like healing. You become a better player period when you experience every perspective of fights and have a better understanding of the big picture. Everyone should lead groups and/or raids a few times too so they can see all the BS leaders have to put up.
I believe I have zero respect for people who only play DPS classes and never step up to accept any responsibility, especially if they can't manage threat and can't deliver absolute top dps. If you can't even be good at the simplest thing in the game, you just suck.
Cata and this latest suck patch haven't made me (more) bitter, not at all.
Have a nice day.
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While I don't see a reason for some classes to have it, and some not, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that post, and no reason to be attacking someone over it.
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While I don't see a reason for some classes to have it, and some not, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that post, and no reason to be attacking someone over it.
Are you kidding me? There is every reason to attack him over such a retarded post.
He talks about playing every role but I don't think he does it himself, either that or he is a horribly crappy DPSer. The classes with no aggro dump can pump out so much damage that they can surpass a tank's threat easily. If Voqar actually played a healer like he claims other people should be doing he would know this.
If your class can pump out 20-30k DPS without even trying hard there isn't a tank in the world who can keep aggro from you.
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and as dps if you are doing that and causing too much threat then its your job to know when to back off. dont care how good your dps is, if you are pulling agro, and die.. your dps is crap. because dead dps is no dps. also..
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Voqar posted:
Quazimortal posted:
Blizzard's reasoning behind why not all classes have an aggro dump is absolute crap by the way. Just give everyone a way to lose aggro without dying and quit being arrogant douchebags!
Or people could learn how to play.
You shouldn't need a regular aggro dump if 1, you tank doesn't suck and can hold threat, 2, you understand basic concepts like how tank threat works (particularly how vengeance ramps up in thecataclysm era) and dps accordingly (oh gee, I popped all my trinkets and CDs on the pull and got threat, what a surprise), 3, you pay attention to your surroundings and your threat.
Managing aggro is a group thing and part of overall fight strategy and management. The game is already ultra ez-mode, if everyone could readily dump threat there'd be yet another thing gone from the game and it'd be that much dumber and easier. They DO give you in-game threat measurements and addons make threat completely manageable. In ancient times the only way you knew you had threat was when the mob was pounding on you...it's come a long ways since then. :P
What amazes me is people I run with who do use omen and still can't manage or monitor their threat. So many DPSers get totally locked in on their rotations/priorities and can't pay attention to anything else. This is why, I say...
...everyone should play a tank, at least for a while - you get obsessed with threat and watching omen because you always need to be on top and watching who's creaping up. Once you get used to watching omen as a tank, you find you pay attention to it much better when DPSing.
Actually, IMO, everyone should try every role. Like healing. You become a better player period when you experience every perspective of fights and have a better understanding of the big picture. Everyone should lead groups and/or raids a few times too so they can see all the BS leaders have to put up.
I believe I have zero respect for people who only play DPS classes and never step up to accept any responsibility, especially if they can't manage threat and can't deliver absolute top dps. If you can't even be good at the simplest thing in the game, you just suck.
Cata and this latest suck patch haven't made me (more) bitter, not at all.
Have a nice day.
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tantallous posted:
While I don't see a reason for some classes to have it, and some not, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that post, and no reason to be attacking someone over it.
You should change your title if you're going to hit Submit without any thought into what you just typed.
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and as dps if you are doing that and causing too much threat then its your job to know when to back off. dont care how good your dps is, if you are pulling agro, and die.. your dps is crap. because dead dps is no dps. also..
Using that line of reasoning we might as well get rid of the threat drops from every class because obviously watching your threat is more important than doing enough DPS to down a boss.
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and as dps if you are doing that and causing too much threat then its your job to know when to back off. dont care how good your dps is, if you are pulling agro, and die.. your dps is crap. because dead dps is no dps. also..
Because threat meters are always 100% accurate, and tanks never forget to taunt, and cooldowns are always up, and everyone has all bosses on farm and have every mechanic totally memorized. I agree 100%. Completely. Those idiots. Sheesh. /facepalm
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tantallous posted:
and as dps if you are doing that and causing too much threat then its your job to know when to back off. dont care how good your dps is, if you are pulling agro, and die.. your dps is crap. because dead dps is no dps. also..
Using that line of reasoning we might as well get rid of the threat drops from every class because obviously watching your threat is more important than doing enough DPS to down a boss.
If only this worked. Alas, to some people dps does indeed > life.
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Quazimortal posted:
The only class with an aggro dump I ever see getting close to the tank's aggro is a warlock.
It's always been a problem with warlocks because their armor buffs heal them and that actually is getting them healing aggro too. Ever been doing a BG and a warlock is just standing there and suddenly Galv/Drek/Bal/Van aggro's him?
But yeah, fun to have classes that have aggro dumps in an AV where the tanks went down.
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it doesn't matter if you are doing enough dps to down the boss if you pull agro and wipe the raid. you arent supposed to be trying to solo the boss. if you dont have enough other ppl with dps for it then either you need a better tank that can hold agro against your leet dps, or you ought to not do that fight. the fact that you DONT have an easy agro dump is just something to think about when you are playing and adjust accordingly.
for all the whining i see about how bliz is "dumbing down the game", i'd think people would be happy to need to actually think about what they are doing in a fight.
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While they are indeed dumbing down the game, there is also the fact that alot of people who are not gamers play. And these people, frankly...suck. Moreover, they are me-me people who think that they deserve to do everything the people who actually know how to play get to do.
THAT is the major problem with WoW. Too many people just flat out suck. You can call me an elitist if you want, but the truth of the matter is, well over 1/2 the people that play WoW are terrible at it, and do not feel any obligation to get better.
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You can call me an elitist if you want, but the truth of the matter is, well over 1/2 the people that play WoW are terrible at it, and do not feel any obligation to get better.
Sorta the George Carlin "Realize how dumb the average person is and then think about half the population being dumber than that" applied to WoW? 
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