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Topic: We redesigned Holy Shield

Vault_News Title: 0110011010 Be Nice to Me I'm a Bot Posts: 43,785 Registered: Oct 18, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 42,467 User ID: 1,086,234	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	Zarhym posted: On the topic of who wanted this change, we?re just in a better position than players to get a sense for what a wide variety of paladins are asking for across the world. Players are most familiar with what their friends on their own realm are thinking, or what they read on the forums they frequent. Those are typically fairly small sample sizes. And I don't mean that as a slight against anyone in this thread who disagrees with our decisions. It's just the nature of the way in which data can be collected. The more salient point though is that this isn?t a decision-making process that is heavily influenced by polling. The change made was a suggestion we saw several times, considered, and decided we agreed with. We know there are players who disagree with the decision, which to be fair, is the outcome of every single design decision we make. We think the most fair point is that some tanks already have enough going on, and as we suggested in the recent Blood DK discussion, we?re considering options to let players opt out of complexity at their discretion. As far as Protection paladin mastery goes, one solution we like, as we alluded to before, is to split Protection?s mastery into multiple components so that hitting the ?hard cap? is less of a hard cap. There are two problems with this design. First, it would feel a lot like the warrior mastery, and we know some of you want to be less like warriors, not more. Secondly, it would be a huge nerf to Protection survival overall. We could compensate for it elsewhere, but you will see a lot of players upset about the nerf -- players who liked stacking mastery to the cap and then being able to focus on other stats. We looked a lot at the paladin gear for Firelands and concluded that while it will be easier to max out mastery, there won?t be so much of it that paladins get frustrated when mastery gear drops. It might let them swap out a few other pieces or use fewer gems. We could have the problem again in the next raiding tier, but we have ample time to consider our options before that time. Posted from WoW Vault -----signature----- (none)
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Quazimortal Title: The One and Only Posts: 17,806 Registered: Sep 18, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 17,157 User ID: 968,129	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	Yeah, I'm sure they made the changes based on the opinions of the majority of paladin players... -----signature----- â€œA painter paints his pictures on canvas. But musicians paint their pictures on silence. We provide the music, and you provide the silence.â€ ~Leopold Stokowski
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Ferrydust Title: Iron Chef Jennifer Posts: 10,588 Registered: Sep 4, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 10,382 User ID: 711,372	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	Quazimortal posted: Yeah, I'm sure they made the changes based on the opinions of the majority of paladin players... Yeah. Who do they think are are kidding with this? -----signature----- I, on the other hand, prefer a command-line system 'cause i'm so hardcore /north /north You encounter an [Avatar of the god Set]! /cast sheild sheild spell unavailable /csat shield csat: unknown command [Avatar of Set] beheads [Peasant]
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Shenron_ Posts: 8,665 Registered: Dec 8, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 6,513 User ID: 746,590	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
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GutterSludge Posts: 4,620 Registered: Nov 6, '05 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 4,545 User ID: 1,091,587	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	"Players are most familiar with what their friends on their own realm are thinking, or what they read on the forums they frequent. Those are typically fairly small sample sizes" Translation: "We don't give a shit that we have threads with 900 pages of people complaining on the official forums, so with this disclaimer we can ignore them." -----signature----- Guttersludge People just can't handle the truth. NeMeFieD said:"Yea I Ucmed for 12 days straight.." njwCSUS posted:I'm homosexual, so really, its ongoing sexual attraction to my father, not my mother.
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-Aleister- Posts: 9,233 Registered: May 12, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 9,013 User ID: 95,945	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	"On the topic of who wanted this change, we?re just in a better position than players to get a sense for what a wide variety of paladins are asking for across the world." "The change made was a suggestion we saw several times, considered, and decided we agreed with. " Really? So they didn't get the idea via the forums, but this much larger population of magic feedback they refer to? Really, what pray tell might that be? Are they seriously suggesting they receive more feedback on specific player abilities via emails and polls than they do via their own forum? Not that I disagree the forum is a niche group... but don't go stating you are doing it via suggestions when you refer to your main source of "suggestions" as a niche group you don't weigh very highly. -----signature----- Excess - hellscream
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Blisteringballs Posts: 2,247 Registered: Aug 12, '09 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 2,247 User ID: 1,366,612	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	Cool, they're losing more subscribers while screaming at them as they leave. It's getting downright hilarious. -----signature----- http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Fox%20News
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Groooovechampion Posts: 4,616 Registered: Jun 30, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 4,485 User ID: 818,115	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	random british accent vid for the win: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkU8PAVXo98 /Trollpost Okay, how many BOBSAGET times do you want to chain the damn ability?! How about putting back to the good ol' nice-number damage shield so some of us playstyle-loves could have the good ol' porcupine-adin? Yes yes, you obviously asked my paladin brothers and sisters many times and keep giving us the same mind-bogging comment over and over again - we are changing this, we know some of you don't like that, but this is how we -- And where's the change? Will holy shield involve pressing a button, where the paladin automatically shouts "HOLY SHIELD" instead of Holy BOBSAGET? I can't wait till the next, yet another, mindblasting, thrilling, amazing, in the fuhrer face, of awesome, unexpected unprepared ultra class revamp involving yet another change to the mechanics of what was it, fingersnips -damn of course, Holy Shield /J.R: trolllkien off -----signature----- DaoC, WoW (retired, inactive); WAR (semi active), EVE (active) "Ye'know, com'on! Giimmeee di Ke$$$HHHHHH!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OADJl-CVDo0
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Spookysheep Title: Lieker of Cheese Posts: 21,595 Registered: Jan 9, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 21,166 User ID: 601,475	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	Why of course paladins needed yet another ability overhauled. Its not like the entire class has been revamped like 6 times already... Oh, wait... -----signature----- I liek cheese Pirates > Ninjas .....................................
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Groooovechampion Posts: 4,616 Registered: Jun 30, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 4,485 User ID: 818,115	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	word -_-. I think (and I think that more than I should bother:D) that Blizzard simply and only has short-minded short-termed expectations or visions of the class instead of true longterm ones. No point in going into the "back then when..." topic since this is just another proof that something is going wrong up there. -----signature----- DaoC, WoW (retired, inactive); WAR (semi active), EVE (active) "Ye'know, com'on! Giimmeee di Ke$$$HHHHHH!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OADJl-CVDo0
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Ugh_Lancelot Title: Ooo...bouncy! Posts: 5,492 Registered: Jun 17, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,446 User ID: 689,383	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	Groooovechampion posted: random british accent vid for the win: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkU8PAVXo98 /Trollpost Okay, how many BOBSAGET times do you want to chain the damn ability?! How about putting back to the good ol' nice-number damage shield so some of us playstyle-loves could have the good ol' porcupine-adin? Yes yes, you obviously asked my paladin brothers and sisters many times and keep giving us the same mind-bogging comment over and over again - we are changing this, we know some of you don't like that, but this is how we -- And where's the change? Will holy shield involve pressing a button, where the paladin automatically shouts "HOLY SHIELD" instead of Holy BOBSAGET? I can't wait till the next, yet another, mindblasting, thrilling, amazing, in the fuhrer face, of awesome, unexpected unprepared ultra class revamp involving yet another change to the mechanics of what was it, fingersnips -damn of course, Holy Shield /J.R: trolllkien off I think the incomprehensibility of that post pretty much mimics quite a startling number of recent posts by GC (and others). Bravo! -----signature----- WoW and DAoC - Too many alts to count Charter Member - Altaholics Anonymous
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PallyDog Title: WoW Vault Staff Teh Pyckles! Posts: 13,429 Registered: Mar 4, '03 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 13,007 User ID: 776,236	Subject: We redesigned Holy Shield
	Ugh_Lancelot posted: Groooovechampion posted: random british accent vid for the win: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkU8PAVXo98 /Trollpost Okay, how many BOBSAGET times do you want to chain the damn ability?! How about putting back to the good ol' nice-number damage shield so some of us playstyle-loves could have the good ol' porcupine-adin? Yes yes, you obviously asked my paladin brothers and sisters many times and keep giving us the same mind-bogging comment over and over again - we are changing this, we know some of you don't like that, but this is how we -- And where's the change? Will holy shield involve pressing a button, where the paladin automatically shouts "HOLY SHIELD" instead of Holy BOBSAGET? I can't wait till the next, yet another, mindblasting, thrilling, amazing, in the fuhrer face, of awesome, unexpected unprepared ultra class revamp involving yet another change to the mechanics of what was it, fingersnips -damn of course, Holy Shield /J.R: trolllkien off I think the incomprehensibility of that post pretty much mimics quite a startling number of recent posts by GC (and others). Bravo! I got it? -----signature----- "Pallys are simply self healing rocks." - IndridCole
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