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I am linking mmo-champion because i like it better than the official site deal with it I really just can't get excited for this and this is what i was hoping would get this game out of its slump. I'm sure alot of us were holding out for a decent raid tier but this is shaping up to be exactly the same thing as TOC and that is exactly when i quit the first time around in WOTLK is when TOC came out it was the worst raid tier Seriously i'm tired of Daily Quest grinds really wish they could come up with something different DISCUSS
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I bet this is going to be WAAAAAAY more of a grind than the old Silithius quests were back in vanilla (which was blizzard's first pathetic attempt to give "solo content to non-raiders"). Anyone who was around at the time will remember how pathetic that was. Now if it really IS like argent tournament, AND there are FULL sets of gear to be obtained, THEN I will concede that blizzard has finally, after all this time, actually delivered. But we know they are not capable of such
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Oooh, look. Fire. Dragons. Burninating the countryside. That's so exciting.
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This really is looking more like a ToC or a Sunwell, both of which were filler raids iirc. Sunwell - 6 bosses and a daily hub ToC - 5 bosses and a daily hub Firelands - 7 bosses and a daily hub So far this expansion has been pretty light on content. Looks like that's not going to change anytime soon.
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Spookysheep posted: Now if it really IS like argent tournament, AND there are FULL sets of gear to be obtained, THEN I will concede that blizzard has finally, after all this time, actually delivered.
Pretty sure Firelands is going to have a full set of T12 gear plus offer a new legendary staff for dps.
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New raid = good. Pace of additional content = sad. I have zero desire to any dailies ever again the rest of my MMORPG life. WOTLK and cata ez-mode alt speed leveling push it on you way too fast. In general the concept of doing rep grinds to exhalted to buy one epic is pitiful, as with the core WOTLK or cata reps. I could care less about more dailies for soloists. Never did Argent Tournament. Games that are massively multiplayer should focus on group-oriented content and people who want to mostly solo should play another genre. They wouldn't need solo filler content to keep people who normally group for stuff busy if there was more to do grouped and you didn't burn out fast on what little there is. ZG/ZA are good even if it's revamped old content. Problem is they can take a while. I can do them but instances that take while, especially for the less uber amazing players, can't be done by a lot of players who can't commit 2-3 hours to an instance (yes, I know, it doesn't take that long for some...keyword being "some").
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I'm reserving judgement. I watched the 15 min video, and from the way the quest guy told it, you're not doing the same 8 quests over and over. It sounded like there is a progressive storyline and different quests. He made the point there is a progressive story arc for each person, yet people can somehow group for some of the questing, too--so I'm not sure how that will work.
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Voqar posted: New raid = good. Pace of additional content = sad. I have zero desire to any dailies ever again the rest of my MMORPG life. WOTLK and cata ez-mode alt speed leveling push it on you way too fast. In general the concept of doing rep grinds to exhalted to buy one epic is pitiful, as with the core WOTLK or cata reps. I could care less about more dailies for soloists. Never did Argent Tournament. Games that are massively multiplayer should focus on group-oriented content and people who want to mostly solo should play another genre. They wouldn't need solo filler content to keep people who normally group for stuff busy if there was more to do grouped and you didn't burn out fast on what little there is. ZG/ZA are good even if it's revamped old content. Problem is they can take a while. I can do them but instances that take while, especially for the less uber amazing players, can't be done by a lot of players who can't commit 2-3 hours to an instance (yes, I know, it doesn't take that long for some...keyword being "some").
Just LOL. So, you require a group in order to function.. that's fine,(laughable, but fine) but don't knock people who are more independent, and do not require a 4 player crutch to get things accomplished, or have fun. If you really only like group play, and nothing else, you need to be playing DDO. You would love it.
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Voqar posted: New raid = good.
Pace of additional content = sad.
I have zero desire to any dailies ever again the rest of my MMORPG life. WOTLK and cata ez-mode alt speed leveling push it on you way too fast. In general the concept of doing rep grinds to exhalted to buy one epic is pitiful, as with the core WOTLK or cata reps.
I could care less about more dailies for soloists. Never did Argent Tournament. Games that are massively multiplayer should focus on group-oriented content and people who want to mostly solo should play another genre.
They wouldn't need solo filler content to keep people who normally group for stuff busy if there was more to do grouped and you didn't burn out fast on what little there is.
ZG/ZA are good even if it's revamped old content. Problem is they can take a while. I can do them but instances that take while, especially for the less uber amazing players, can't be done by a lot of players who can't commit 2-3 hours to an instance (yes, I know, it doesn't take that long for some...keyword being "some").
It doesn't work like that, and will never work like that. It sort of almost used to work like in some games, back when gamers did not have a choice.
The G in MMORPG does not stand for (forced) grouping.
I say this with all seriousness, and I agree with most of your posts, you have a bit of a block about the forced grouping thing and I think it has a negative (and inaccurate) effect on your view of the genre.
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kyrv posted:
Voqar posted: New raid = good. Pace of additional content = sad. I have zero desire to any dailies ever again the rest of my MMORPG life. WOTLK and cata ez-mode alt speed leveling push it on you way too fast. In general the concept of doing rep grinds to exhalted to buy one epic is pitiful, as with the core WOTLK or cata reps. I could care less about more dailies for soloists. Never did Argent Tournament. Games that are massively multiplayer should focus on group-oriented content and people who want to mostly solo should play another genre. They wouldn't need solo filler content to keep people who normally group for stuff busy if there was more to do grouped and you didn't burn out fast on what little there is. ZG/ZA are good even if it's revamped old content. Problem is they can take a while. I can do them but instances that take while, especially for the less uber amazing players, can't be done by a lot of players who can't commit 2-3 hours to an instance (yes, I know, it doesn't take that long for some...keyword being "some").
It doesn't work like that, and will never work like that. It sort of almost used to work like in some games, back when gamers did not have a choice. The G in MMORPG does not stand for (forced) grouping. I say this with all seriousness, and I agree with most of your posts, you have a bit of a block about the forced grouping thing and I think it has a negative (and inaccurate) effect on your view of the genre.
I couldn't find a < blink > tag or I would have added that for additional emphasis.
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Forced grouping = unnecessary Reward for grouping = necessary imo! You won't be doing the same 8 dailies? Don't they already have it set up like that nowadays, where they just randomly rotate which ones you get? Or is it so quests unlock as the days go by to artificially progress a story? I'm surprised they still haven't added solo dungeons to the game yet. (maybe with the sheer subscriber amount that's too much money on server?)
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Voqar posted: I could care less about more dailies for soloists. Never did Argent Tournament. Games that are massively multiplayer should focus on group-oriented content and people who want to mostly solo should play another genre.
Perhaps, but let me ask you, do you believe there are more group-dedicated players among the masses with solid blocks of time to put aside or more of the "alone together" soloists with more sporadic playtimes? Thinking solely in terms of money, which group do you think would be best to target in order to make the most cash (ie. gain/keep the most subscriptions)? /rhetorical Edit: Also, who do you think, in general, runs out of content first?
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I don't know if its funny or pathetic, or both, that someone in this day and age still needs a group to hold their hand in order to play an MMO.
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Maybe he wasn't referring to skill level when he wanted to group with people? Maybe it was the social aspect of playing in a group. From your response to the guy that posted about grouping, I can kind of see how you don't understand how social interaction with a group of people could be considered fun.
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Only on VN, and only by the VN board trolls, would someone be mocked for actually wanting to group with and interact with other players in an MMORPG. It's fine, sad in a pathetic kind of way, but fine if you are unable to get along/play well with others but don't knock those who have better developed social skills and find it enjoyable to work as a team. Especially in a MMOrpg.
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Now its fixed.
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wicked_impulse2k3 posted: Maybe he wasn't referring to skill level when he wanted to group with people? Maybe it was the social aspect of playing in a group. From your response to the guy that posted about grouping, I can kind of see how you don't understand how social interaction with a group of people could be considered fun.
Not sure if you read the thread, one person wants forced grouping, everyone else wants a choice of play styles.
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Demorak posted: Forced grouping = unnecessary
Reward for grouping = necessary
imo!
You won't be doing the same 8 dailies? Don't they already have it set up like that nowadays, where they just randomly rotate which ones you get? Or is it so quests unlock as the days go by to artificially progress a story?
I'm surprised they still haven't added solo dungeons to the game yet. (maybe with the sheer subscriber amount that's too much money on server?)
I agree with you, the thing before that made group xp so much better was the lack of (or much more limited) downtime. With solo players having often 0 or only a few seconds downtime, it's hard to make groups worth it.
The other part of that is that questing doesn't lend itself to grouping *as much* as dungeons or camping a spot, since it's hard to get everyone doing the same quests.
But personally I refused to wait 30 minutes while calling for a group in the 'good old days' and no intention of starting that now. ;p
So I think grouping should have benefits, I agree, just not sure how a game does it with making it really better than soloing.
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JaredKorry posted: Only on VN, and only by the VN board trolls, would someone be mocked for actually wanting to group with and interact with other players in an MMORPG. It's fine, sad in a pathetic kind of way, but fine if you are unable to get along/play well with others but don't knock those who have better developed social skills and find it enjoyable to work as a team. Especially in a MMOrpg.
Only on the VN, can a poster read this... Voqar posted:
Games that are massively multiplayer should focus on group-oriented content and people who want to mostly solo should play another genre.
read the responses to that statement, and interpret those as this: Jaredkorry posted: ....would someone be mocked for actually wanting to group with and interact with other players in an MMORPG
There. Now its REALLY fixed. The difference is, that while yes solo players enjoy their playstyle, they do not attempt to FORCE that playstyle on others, which is EXACTLY what Voqar is insinuating in his statement.
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Pop quiz everyone! Which of the following statements has NOT already been posted in this thread? (A)Guttersludge posted: So, you require a group in order to function.. that's fine,(laughable, but fine) but don't knock people who are more independent, and do not require a 4 player crutch to get things accomplished, or have fun.
(B)Spookysheep posted: I don't know if its funny or pathetic, or both, that someone in this day and age still needs a group to hold their hand in order to play an MMO.
(C) JaredKorry posted: Yes, I totally agree that there should be no solo content and everyone should be forced to group for everything!
<wink> Nice try, slugger, but you whiffed the ball on this one. You and your fellow board troll wanted to mock someone who enjoys playing as part of a group (points to the comments about needing a crutch and needing to have his hand held) so I gave you a taste of your own medicine and mocked you for being unable to function as part of a team. Considering that you felt the need to respond to my one comment twice now, I'd guess you didn't care for that taste. But it sure was fun seeing you desperately try to twist my words and put words in my mouth.
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JaredKorry posted: WoW VN Boards -Not the type of community I want to be a part of. Good luck everyone.
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How's it feel to be a part of the WoW VN community Jared? Cause you are part of it when you continue to post here. Silly fool.
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JaredKorry posted: But it sure was fun seeing you desperately try to twist my words and put words in my mouth.
If you interpret my using your words to establish that you cannot comprehend what you read, as "putting words in your mouth", then I just have to laugh at you. Not with you, AT you. Watching you attempt to make a valid argument is like watching a slug attempt to work a Rubik's cube.. We know you will never get anywhere, the question is, how much "primordial slime" will you put forth before you realize it...
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GutterSludge posted:
JaredKorry posted: But it sure was fun seeing you desperately try to twist my words and put words in my mouth.
If you interpret my using your words to establish that you cannot comprehend what you read, as "putting words in your mouth", then I just have to laugh at you. Not with you, AT you. Watching you attempt to make a valid argument is like watching a slug attempt to work a Rubik's cube.. We know you will never get anywhere, the question is, how much "primordial slime" will you put forth before you realize it...
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Cute pic Azure. Thanks for posting your picture. Do you dress that way daily or just for D&D parties?
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JaredKorry posted: Cute pic Azure. Thanks for posting your picture. Do you dress that way daily or just for D&D parties?
I know it's against the rules to feed a troll but... lol That was a good one.
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Assimilation complete apparently. Not only are there no tears in those last couple posts, but that last one... ouch!
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Too funny. Edit: Not Jared's post but the fact that he's been assimilated.
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Everyone knows Jared is an alt account (because posters don't have the shells to post on their mains)
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I never understood the mentality of alt forum accounts myself. Do people really care what the random and anonymous posters on a forum think about their point of views? I've always posted what I wanted and if people didn't like my opinion that is their problem.
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It would appear that the poster with "Korr" in several names had to do so in order for someone on his board to post in agreement with him. They all completely ignore facts, logic, and reason, and label every single other poster as a "troll".... Obvious is obvious..any way you slice it.
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GutterSludge posted: It would appear that the poster with "Korr" in several names had to do so in order for someone on his board to post in agreement with him. They all completely ignore facts, logic, and reason, and label every single other poster as a "troll".... Obvious is obvious..any way you slice it.
I nearly spit my soda on the monitor when I read that. Anyone with the tiniest pea brain can look back through my post history and see where I disagreed with Korrigan numerous times. But since you and your board buddies are sooooooooooooooooooooooo determined to keep kicking up this "alt account" nonsense, I publicly give my permission for any Mod to compare my IP with Korrigan's or use any other method they choose to see if Korrigan and I are the same poster. I find the irony very very thick to see you speak of ignoring facts, logic, and reason when you so love to make things up out of thin air and churn out straw man after straw man. But I will admit it is extremely entertaining so, please, carry on!
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Me thinks he doth protest too much.
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Yeah addressing the issue (that has been brought up 10+ times) just once is definitely protesting too much. But hey, if you feel the need to stroke/pump up your egos so badly that you choose to believe that someone would make an alt account to "hide" from you, then knock yourselves out. No skin off my nose about who you think I am.
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All you guys are the same poster, go get medicated like the rest of the world. You need serious help!
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So how is that whole not wanting to be a part of the community thing going Jared? Doesn't look like it's going too well since you are still posting here.
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Quazimortal posted: So how is that whole not wanting to be a part of the community thing going Jared? Doesn't look like it's going too well since you are still posting here.
And since this is the 3rd or 4th time you have mentioned that, I can see it is really bugging you. Highlight of my day.
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So we taking bets on how it takes this time for him to drama queen it up and make a big announcement about leaving and not coming back?
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Elaok posted: I am linking mmo-champion because i like it better than the official site deal with it
I really just can't get excited for this and this is what i was hoping would get this game out of its slump. I'm sure alot of us were holding out for a decent raid tier but this is shaping up to be exactly the same thing as TOC and that is exactly when i quit the first time around in WOTLK is when TOC came out it was the worst raid tier
Seriously i'm tired of Daily Quest grinds really wish they could come up with something different
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Thanks for the link. Been keeping an eye out here, with a thought to coming back at some point.
Ran this past guildmates. Bottom line reaction from most of them was: "I'm glad we left when we did." The additional comments were: "it's an MMO, why are they compartmentalizing the world for us?"
I'm ... saddened. Which surprises me.
I realize since the start that this game was gear-centric. Looking at that description, I just don't want to play World of Wallmart anymore.
I want good gameplay. As it's OWN reward.
Guess I'm asking too much these days. Solo or group. I play both.
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JaredKorry posted:
Quazimortal posted: So how is that whole not wanting to be a part of the community thing going Jared? Doesn't look like it's going too well since you are still posting here.
And since this is the 3rd or 4th time you have mentioned that, I can see it is really bugging you. Highlight of my day.
Nope, nothing bugs me on this forum. I just enjoy pointing out your hypocrisy.
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Quazimortal posted:
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Quazimortal posted: So how is that whole not wanting to be a part of the community thing going Jared? Doesn't look like it's going too well since you are still posting here.
And since this is the 3rd or 4th time you have mentioned that, I can see it is really bugging you. Highlight of my day.
Nope, nothing bugs me on this forum. I just enjoy pointing out your hypocrisy.
Well, have at it. I'm gonna post when I want and want I want. And this community is still pathetic and not one I choose to be a part of.
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JaredKorry posted: Well, have at it. I'm gonna post when I want and want I want. And this community is still pathetic and not one I choose to be a part of.
Ya know, I'm beginning to wonder if this dude is Korrigan. Korrigan's ESL skillz usually aren't good enough to self-pwn with so few errors.
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Ugh_Lancelot posted:
JaredKorry posted: Well, have at it. I'm gonna post when I want and want I want. And this community is still pathetic and not one I choose to be a part of.
Ya know, I'm beginning to wonder if this dude is Korrigan. Korrigan's ESL skillz usually aren't good enough to self-pwn with so few errors.
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It's always that way with Korr... Just keep the thread going, and the self-ownage is imminent.
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Or just keep the thread going and see how many times you boys repeat yourselves and recycle the same lines. That's always a fun game to play. I'm taking bets with myself to see how many more times you boys fall back on the "Korrigans alt" line. Must be tough to come up with new and original material after a while. By the way, my sig line is still accurate. This board is not a community I want to be part of. Therefore, I choose to not be a part. I come here about once every 2 or 3 months, get a few laughs from the same eggheads that have been here, spouting the same drivel for years, and then continue on my merry way. The official boards beat the VN boards hands down when it comes to community and actually discussing the game. Sure, there are a few eggheads on the official boards, but there are more good eggs then bad eggs there. Here, it's 99% eggheads who do nothing but try to put others down to make themselves feel better and about 1% actually discussing the game.
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Well that didn't take long.
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The drama queen needs attention. Quick, everyone tell her that her hair looks nice!
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These forums used to have a decent amount of positive stuff to balance out the negativity. Not the case any more.
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JaredKorry posted: Or just keep the thread going and see how many times you boys repeat yourselves and recycle the same lines. That's always a fun game to play. I'm taking bets with myself to see how many more times you boys fall back on the "Korrigans alt" line. Must be tough to come up with new and original material after a while. By the way, my sig line is still accurate. This board is not a community I want to be part of. Therefore, I choose to not be a part. I come here about once every 2 or 3 months, get a few laughs from the same eggheads that have been here, spouting the same drivel for years, and then continue on my merry way. The official boards beat the VN boards hands down when it comes to community and actually discussing the game. Sure, there are a few eggheads on the official boards, but there are more good eggs then bad eggs there. Here, it's 99% eggheads who do nothing but try to put others down to make themselves feel better and about 1% actually discussing the game.
I don't think I've ever seen you post anything constructive, or even on topic, on these boards. All you ever seem to do is come here to bait the resident trolls and derail threads. You are every bit as bad, if not worse, than the people you're lecturing in your post. Just to be clear, I don't think the community really cares for you to be a part of it either. If you don't want to be here than just leave already, nobody's going to miss you at all.
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-Mythril- posted: These forums used to have a decent amount of positive stuff to balance out the negativity. Not the case any more.
That sounds pretty negative there Mister Negative Nancy!
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TruthyID posted: I don't think I've ever seen you post anything constructive, or even on topic, on these boards. All you ever seem to do is come here to bait the resident trolls and derail threads. You are every bit as bad, if not worse, than the people you're lecturing in your post. Just to be clear, I don't think the community really cares for you to be a part of it either. If you don't want to be here than just leave already, nobody's going to miss you at all.
If you can't beat em, join em. I tried for a while to help change the board from its current crappy state to one that actually promotes civil discussions and debates. Sadly, there is a core clique of posters here that are bound and determined to run anyone new and anyone who disagrees with them off the board. At this point, I've given up and don't care anymore. Apparently moderation here is a joke, so if they aren't required to play by the rules, why should I?
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JaredKorry posted:
TruthyID posted: I don't think I've ever seen you post anything constructive, or even on topic, on these boards. All you ever seem to do is come here to bait the resident trolls and derail threads. You are every bit as bad, if not worse, than the people you're lecturing in your post. Just to be clear, I don't think the community really cares for you to be a part of it either. If you don't want to be here than just leave already, nobody's going to miss you at all.
If you can't beat em, join em. I tried for a while to help change the board from its current crappy state to one that actually promotes civil discussions and debates. Sadly, there is a core clique of posters here that are bound and determined to run anyone new and anyone who disagrees with them off the board. At this point, I've given up and don't care anymore. Apparently moderation here is a joke, so if they aren't required to play by the rules, why should I?
Glad to see a member of the VN community participating in the discussions around here.
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I hope Kor and Boone never leave. If they do we will have no drama ever and this board would become seriously boring.
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GutterSludge posted: It would appear that the poster with "Korr" in several names had to do so in order for someone on his board to post in agreement with him. They all completely ignore facts, logic, and reason, and label every single other poster as a "troll".... Obvious is obvious..any way you slice it.
You mean obvious like this Gutter? http://club.ign.com/b/about?username=spookisatard&which=boards
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Is that your new alt Boone?
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That was a truly pathetic comeback.
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GutterSludge posted: Is that your new alt Boone?
Obvious is obvious right?
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No, it was a question. That's what the little "?" symbol means that is at the end of it.
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Boone-Eldar posted:
GutterSludge posted: Is that your new alt Boone?
Obvious is obvious right?
Baiting.
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JaredKorry posted: That was a truly pathetic comeback.
Pathetic attempt at baiting.
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But somehow it's NOT baiting when you guys continually claim I'm Korrigan's alt?
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GutterSludge posted:
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GutterSludge posted: Is that your new alt Boone?
Obvious is obvious right?
Baiting.
Is it? Hmm and again I thought I was just telling like it is, which I thought was how things are supposed to be done here. You know like pointing out some obvious hypocrisy and all.
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I think Gutter's stuck in the "broken record" phase.
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Baiting.
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GutterSludge posted: Baiting.
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