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Sapperwix posted:
Greetings Once Again!
I know a lot of you had fun a couple weeks back when we logged on to the PTRs and ran ZA & ZG with you. Well, we're coming back! This time however rather than fighting alongside you we're going to be duking it out on the fields of honor, better known as Rated Battlegrounds!
We're going to be online tomorrow, 4/12/2011, at 4:30pm PST.
To participate you'll need to roll Horde characters (we flipped a coin) and form teams on the Broxigar PTR realm. The reason we're specifying a faction is because this is actually a big test of our experimental same-faction rated battlegrounds.
Hope to see you online, I'm sure this'll be a blast!
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This is the part where the make their list of nerfs to every one that butthurts them.
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i do not like the idea of same faction BG's  and i hope it never gets passed this phase
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Elaok posted:
i do not like the idea of same faction BG's and i hope it never gets passed this phase
Fits perfectly with their eSport/arena nonsense.
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What they should do, is NO ONE show up to the ptr at that time.
Let the fawkers sit in a queue for an hour, and see what they think then..
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Wonder if they would get annoyed if their BG's had AFKers? Or better put, if over time they did 100 BG's and the majority had AFKers? I would guess, possibly yes.
Same faction BGs?
Not sure if serious.
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Same faction rated BG's are already going to happen. Why would you oppose this? I hope they do the same for regular BG's so we all have decent queue times.
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Same faction BG's, LMAO!
This will give a whole new meaning to "win trading"
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Wait, what? Same faction BGs? So the overpopulated faction can play with themselves while the other guys sit in queues forever?
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Ugh_Lancelot posted:
Wait, what? Same faction BGs? So the overpopulated faction can play with themselves while the other guys sit in queues forever?
What? No. It's not JUST same faction and you don't get to choose and we are just talking about rated BG's for the moment. More of a first come first served basis per bracket.
edit: It will make Win Trading a lot easier though, true.
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Ugh_Lancelot posted:
Wait, what? Same faction BGs? So the overpopulated faction can play with themselves while the other guys sit in queues forever?
The guys sitting in the queue are probably playing with themselves too
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What they should do, is NO ONE show up to the ptr at that time.
Let the fawkers sit in a queue for an hour, and see what they think then..
 
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I've always wanted mixed faction BGs. Alliance is so bad, I wouldn't mind fighting alongside a tauren. It's not like factions mean anything anymore.
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LadyGodiva. posted:
I've always wanted mixed faction BGs. Alliance is so bad, I wouldn't mind fighting alongside a tauren. It's not like factions mean anything anymore.
Well, just to be clear, it isn't mixed factions. Horde can get que'd against horde and alliance can get que'd against alliance. We can't actually all be on the same team.
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I don't understand why they don't just let us purchase top pvp gear for gold at 85?
Why force us to go through the hassle of win trading, which will now become mandatory practice on every server?
PVP should always be done in equal gear anyway.
le sigh, I really do think blizzard has replaced the B-team with some actual mentally challenged persons they found in a home somewhere.
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Spookysheep posted:
I don't understand why they don't just let us purchase top pvp gear for gold at 85?
Why force us to go through the hassle of win trading, which will now become mandatory practice on every server?
PVP should always be done in equal gear anyway.
le sigh, I really do think blizzard has replaced the B-team with some actual mentally challenged persons they found in a home somewhere.
I think the B-team ship has sailed.
I think we'll soon be longing for the B-team, if we aren't already. 
Aren't the bg's entirely 100% based on the battle between horde and alliance?
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Spookysheep posted:
I don't understand why they don't just let us purchase top pvp gear for gold at 85?
Why force us to go through the hassle of win trading, which will now become mandatory practice on every server?
PVP should always be done in equal gear anyway.
le sigh, I really do think blizzard has replaced the B-team with some actual mentally challenged persons they found in a home somewhere.
Are you trolling? You can't just buy the gear for the same reason you can't just buy the PVE gear. What would be the point of playing? Oh yeah, I am sure everyone would run heroics just for 'fun'.
As I said. There is very little reason to win trade now. The ONLY reason is for the 2200 weapon.
B team, C team... yeah
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This game has become such a joke lol
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Bet the Blues won't have a Hunter on their team again.
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Ferrydust posted:
Spookysheep posted:
I don't understand why they don't just let us purchase top pvp gear for gold at 85?
Why force us to go through the hassle of win trading, which will now become mandatory practice on every server?
PVP should always be done in equal gear anyway.
le sigh, I really do think blizzard has replaced the B-team with some actual mentally challenged persons they found in a home somewhere.
Are you trolling? You can't just buy the gear for the same reason you can't just buy the PVE gear. What would be the point of playing? Oh yeah, I am sure everyone would run heroics just for 'fun'.
As I said. There is very little reason to win trade now. The ONLY reason is for the 2200 weapon.
B team, C team... yeah
So you don't find heroics or BG's fun, yet you run them?
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Spookysheep posted:
Ferrydust posted:
Spookysheep posted:
I don't understand why they don't just let us purchase top pvp gear for gold at 85?
Why force us to go through the hassle of win trading, which will now become mandatory practice on every server?
PVP should always be done in equal gear anyway.
le sigh, I really do think blizzard has replaced the B-team with some actual mentally challenged persons they found in a home somewhere.
Are you trolling? You can't just buy the gear for the same reason you can't just buy the PVE gear. What would be the point of playing? Oh yeah, I am sure everyone would run heroics just for 'fun'.
As I said. There is very little reason to win trade now. The ONLY reason is for the 2200 weapon.
B team, C team... yeah
So you don't find heroics or BG's fun, yet you run them?
Yes I'm very confused by that response. I know people play for different motivations, but I thought at some point they boiled down to, because on some level it's fun.
But he may have pointed out the issue with WoW PvP, many (most?) players probably agree with Blizzard, and that they PvP to get gear, they don't consider it a chore to get gear so that they can have fun PvP'ing.
I find that interesting. Not very good for players like me, but pretty interesting dynamic.
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I can see how people might get bored if they don't feel like they are working towards something... I personally don't have that issue since I like the actual PVP and not the rewards I get from it, but I understand those that need the carrot to keep them going. It makes things more interesting to have goals and meet them or to measure their progress vs other players.
It would be nice if there were some other incentive to PVP that didn't relate directly to gear, though.
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Spookysheep posted:
Ferrydust posted:
Spookysheep posted:
I don't understand why they don't just let us purchase top pvp gear for gold at 85?
Why force us to go through the hassle of win trading, which will now become mandatory practice on every server?
PVP should always be done in equal gear anyway.
le sigh, I really do think blizzard has replaced the B-team with some actual mentally challenged persons they found in a home somewhere.
Are you trolling? You can't just buy the gear for the same reason you can't just buy the PVE gear. What would be the point of playing? Oh yeah, I am sure everyone would run heroics just for 'fun'.
As I said. There is very little reason to win trade now. The ONLY reason is for the 2200 weapon.
B team, C team... yeah
So you don't find heroics or BG's fun, yet you run them?
I do find them fun because it works towards progressing my character... much like Heroics for people who run those. I am sure you know what I mean but enjoy trying to twist my words...<sigh>
Also: Have you ever heard of a Skinner box? I am pretty sure the success of Wow works in the same way and the recent shortcomings are due to not enough :P
Here is the gist of it: Reward / Condition animals for doing something repetitive. After a while the animals will do anything to get their reward as they become addicted to the conditioning.
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I PVP because the contest is fun.
The "gear" is just a means to that end...I do NOT PVP "because obtaining the gear is fun"...
To skip the carrot chase, and get straight to the fight? Hell yah. Give the gear away if you ask me.
If you enjoy getting the gear, because it makes fighting those without it "easy"...then you PVP for the wrong reasons, and I would wager that you lose every fight against any opponent that is not wearing greens.
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The reason I don't like same-faction battlegrounds is the same reason I don't like a lot of the changes of recent. The game continues to move towards an amusement park and less a roleplaying game. I suppose many will argue that ship has sailed long ago, but even still, it continues even more as faction lines blur.
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I PVP because the contest is fun.
If you enjoy getting the gear, because it makes fighting those without it "easy"...then you PVP for the wrong reasons, and I would wager that you lose every fight against any opponent that is not wearing greens.
The contest is also fun and that is a bonus. But to say I PVP for the wrong reasons? lol All I do is PVP.
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Yup, that's what I said.
Just to verify...If everyone had the exact same gear, (and thus, you had no advantage in that aspect), would you still find PVP enjoyable?
PVP is perfect when the odds are even.
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Yup, that's what I said.
Just to verify...If everyone had the exact same gear, (and thus, you had no advantage in that aspect), would you still find PVP enjoyable?
PVP is perfect when the odds are even.
I arena on 8+ toons a week with varying gear. One fully geared. One 2 pieces away now and then variations from there all the way down to 'just dinged 85'. I play at all gear levels. Gear is as even as it's ever been. I play for gear but enjoy the ride.
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Ferrydust posted:
Gear is as even as it's ever been.
So what you are saying is that gear isn't even at all.
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LadyGodiva. posted:
I've always wanted mixed faction BGs. Alliance is so bad, I wouldn't mind fighting alongside a tauren. It's not like factions mean anything anymore.
Well, just to be clear, it isn't mixed factions. Horde can get que'd against horde and alliance can get que'd against alliance. We can't actually all be on the same team.
Yep, instead of dealing with the Horde over population brought on by the lopsided win/loss ratios, which in turn was brought on by Blizzard bias they are going to mask the situation by pitting Horde vs Horde to add to their overall losses while pitting Alliance vs Alliance to pad theirs in order to make it appear it is a lot more balanced than it really is.
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GutterSludge posted:
Yup, that's what I said.
Just to verify...If everyone had the exact same gear, (and thus, you had no advantage in that aspect), would you still find PVP enjoyable?
PVP is perfect when the odds are even.
Except that carebears only like to PVP when they out gear their opponents and have an indisputable advantage. 
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Yup, and they are the ones who reroll a level one to curse up a storm when they lose despite that advantage...
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