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I have a graphics card. (no really?!) It's a few month old. My system meets the req's to run it. It is installed properly as far as I am aware. I have updated the drivers. It's wigging out.
It's a Nvidia GeForce GTS 450. It only happens while playing WoW. My computer will freeze for about 20 seconds, the I'll get squares n such. It will freeze again after a few minutes and I'll have squares and patchy graphics. It will freeze again after a few minutes and be even worse. Logging otu does not fix it. The log in screen will be al patchy squares. If I reset my videos settings in game to the lowest possible, that will fix it for a while. However...the lowest graphics suck. My computer and my old video card, a Geforece 8600 had no problem running good to high gaphics.
Is there something I can check? Fix? Suggestions? Do I need to take my card back as a bum card?
Can it be getting overheated and how do I check that? The capacitators on my old card actually exploded, like popcorn.
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what is the rating of your power supply?
This is usually the # 1 problem with upgrading gfix cards and not having them function properly.
you can usually just look an the back of your machine and see what it is, if not, there is a label on the psu itself inside the case.
also, have you visibly verified that your card fans are running? If they arent, unplug your fan connectors and plug them back in, making sure they have a good seat.
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Min req power is 400w I have a 600w power power supply. I made sure the fan on the card itself is working. I have 3 other fans in my case that are working. There is one fan on the side of the computer that isn't working but since I don't eve have that side attached atm, not sure that would make much difference. I think ti's dead altogheer sicne I unplugged and plugged bcak in, will have ot dig through my boxes to find a fan that fits.
Any other ides?
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This is what happened to me a year or so back, was the psu for me aswell. However, you deff need to keep an eye on your temp as it still could be some fan troubles. Or maybe just a bad card.. it happens.
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If you want to find out whether it's a thermal problem, go get some freeze spray from Fry's or another electronics store. If you can't find freeze spray, get some compressed air "duster." Turn the duster can upside down and spray the cold spray onto the graphics heat sink (might take several seconds of spraying). If it starts working, it's a heat problem. If it doesn't do anything, it's probably software or something else.
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cupple things..
http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=187401
check this thread..seems there are alot of compatibility problems with some mainboards...
here are some things that might work, although i do not reccommend flashing to another boards bios...check and see if your mainboard is on this list with a 450...
2. Trying a different VGA BIOS.
http://forums.nvidia...dpost&p=1157175
^ gasparmx fixed his issues by flashing his EliteGroup brand card to a Gigabyte card BIOS. It would make sense that another card brand BIOS would considering different brands of cards are known to work fine on some boards. Please note, this comes with some risks. You may possibly void your card's warranty if they see you've changed the BIOS. The other thing is, if your card or system locks up while flashing the BIOS then you could make something that was already bad worse, you could turn your card into full time brick. So be careful if you try this. I'll be testing this out myself later on and report my own success.
3. Buying a motherboard that is KNOWN to run these cards. You're going to have to look around online and in this thread. See what other people are running with their cards. Be aware though, this can be hit or miss. My board apparently runs an EVGA 460 fine, yet, my MSI 480 locks up.
4. BIOS settings. There are a few settings people keep reporting success with. They are:
* Setting PCI-E Frequency either to 100, 103, 105, or 110
* Setting PCI-E Slot wattage to 50, 75 or the highest you can go. If you're blessed enough to have this setting, you're in luck! A lot of people say this solves their issue!
* Setting your PCI-E slot to run at 8x, 4x or 2x instead of 16x. There's usually not BIOS setting for this, it's all automatic.
* Up your IOH Vcore voltage
* NB Voltage: Upping it or sometimes lowering it. You'll have to play around with it.
* HT Link Frequency: Setting this lower can help.
* Zooze seems to have success enabling the USB Keyboard and Mouse Option in the BIOS, so it's worth a shot.
5. Trying another PCI-E slot on your board. People report mixed success with this.
What doesn't work
1. Drivers, software, or reformatting. Anything that's on your hard drive does not matter. Why? Because these cards will lockup before Windows even loads. These cards are known to lockup while in the BIOS. Like I said before, drivers can help bandage the symptoms but they won't actually fix anything that's a compatibility issue between motherboards and these nvidia cards. You can take the hard drive and hammer nails through it and it won't effect the lockups. Like I said, leave your BIOS settings open for an hour or so, it will eventually lockup. While I still believe drivers don't fix this issue, the 258.96 driver set to "Prefer maximum performance" seemed to bandage it the best out of all of them I tried. It is surely not Operating System related either. I've seen everything, from Linux distros, to Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 reporting lockups.
2. Manually setting the card's voltage and clock profiles in a modded vga BIOS. I tried this, a multiple times. I have had no personal success messing around with my card's BIOS whatsoever.
Collection of threads that discuss the same problem
GTX480: PC hangs after login
Gtx 460 freezing crashing
Here goes a little help to the people having GTX 400 freezing problems, even at POST (NOT SOUND RELATED)
nvidia silence
Club members or List of boards with known issues, username/board/card:
Current number of users listed reporting issues: 112
Last updated: Months ago. I know, I need to add a whole bunch of you. I've just been busy.
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any luck Pally?
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No. While my mother board is on that list, my computer doesn't really lock up. It seems that mostly the list covers GTX cards and not GTS. I tried calling Best Buy and kept getting disconnected. No help from Nvidia. I did find someone else on the Nvidia forums who has the same specific problem with WoW but no one's answered his post yet. And I can't register because their dumb little code thing keeps saying I typed in the wrong one.
Soo...stuck atm. No issues today though. That's the problem, it's completely intermittent and I can't seem to find a way to make it screw up.
As far as doing the BIOS thing...I dont feel equal to messing with that stuff.
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Do you play other (possibly even more graphic intensive) games for long periods without any problems?
If it really only does it with WoW, try the following:
Edit your config.wtf file (in the wtf subfolder of your WoW installation) and add the line:
SET gxApi "D3D11"
This will put WoW in DX11 mode. Maybe it'll fix your problem.
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Didnt'have a problemin Rift beta or Civ IV. Either of those count as graphics intensive?
I'll give that a try this afternoon.
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PallyDog posted:
Didnt'have a problemin Rift beta or Civ IV. Either of those count as graphics intensive?
Civ 4 is more processor intensive than graphics intensive. I wouldn't know about Rift though.
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Perhaps it is one of the special effects settings? Like that weird sunlight slider or water?
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So I haven't seen you say if you were using WoW with this card/machine before it starting happening or not? If so did it start doing it after one of the WoW patches?
Have you run a DXDiag to see if any drivers popup with warnings?
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PallyDog posted:
The capacitators on my old card actually exploded, like popcorn.
Uh, really? Did you replace the power supply at the same time you replaced your video card? If not I'd be very suspect of the power supply or perhaps even your AC line power in your house/building.
It might even be a bad power cable from the power supply to the video card as well. If you have spare power cables try switching to another connector. But I'd check your power and power supply first if there isn't any other symptoms that occurred at the time you started seeing all this.
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Actually I think I figured it out. I don't have enough RAM. I only have 2 GB. While that was sufficient fo my odl card, I think this one is using up more resource wise. I'll have to go buy some new sticks.
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The capacitators on my old card actually exploded, like popcorn.
Uh, really? Did you replace the power supply at the same time you replaced your video card? If not I'd be very suspect of the power supply or perhaps even your AC line power in your house/building.
It might even be a bad power cable from the power supply to the video card as well. If you have spare power cables try switching to another connector. But I'd check your power and power supply first if there isn't any other symptoms that occurred at the time you started seeing all this.
Power supply is new. The vid card I had, Radeon 8600 or 9600? was an old one that had been through a couple machines. Did a quick run through of my machine to make sure everything appeared to be in good shape when I put this card in a few months ago.
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Didnt'have a problemin Rift beta or Civ IV. Either of those count as graphics intensive?
I'll give that a try this afternoon.
I had your issue with Rift and LOTRO and DA2, turns out it was the graphics fan, there is a fan underneath the graphics card, didn't see it the first time. I used the air spray stuff and it's better now.
Or at least, so far so good as of today. ;p 
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Actually I think I figured it out. I don't have enough RAM. I only have 2 GB. While that was sufficient fo my odl card, I think this one is using up more resource wise. I'll have to go buy some new sticks.
Having less than ideal RAM isn't going to give you visual artifacting, Pally. What you are describing is a GPU issue. Games don't always utilize cards the same way, particularly across different engines. More specifically, artifacts and freezes are either a power issue or a heat issue. If I let WoW run amok with my card (read: no Vsync) it stresses it beyond belief because its pushing more than 120 FPS fully utilizing the card.
RAM is completely independent of your GPU. While having 4 gb is ideal, at minimum for todays games, it is not causing your problem.
You need to monitor the temperature on your GPU. Play WoW in a window and try to run something like EVGA Precision next to it to see how high your GPU temps are getting.
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Pally, what motherboard do you have?
With as many issues as there are floating around with incompatible motherboards, id like to see if i can find anything about yours specifically.
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I can't even get up to 4 gig anyway, I only have 32 bit Windows XP, won't recognize anything past 3.
Asus M2N32 - SLI Someone was having issues with that mother board and a different vid card. But seemed as though the main issue would be freezing completely and I'm not doing that. Will try running so stuff to see how hot the card gets.
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In my amateur opinion, I agree with others from the symptoms described it sounds like an overheating or possible power supply issue. If this graphics issues is only cropping up while running 3D intensive games or video that would be taxing to your card, it is most likely heat, if you notice it occuring even while browsing the internet or using software like Word and so on, its likely power supply.
My best guess would be its an overheating issue as was suggested above and can be fixed by just getting some pressurized air and blowing all the dust clear of your exhaust ports on the pc especially around the fans.
2nd guess: If you can remember exactly when you first noticed this issue, try to think of what you may have added or changed to your PC around that time. Installed or uninstalled software, added or removed hardware, etc. Even what should have been a trivial toggle like changing your gamma setting. That's my basic 1st rule for unraveling the majority of PC problems.
If you are comfortable playing with drivers, I would try rolling back to a previous version of the Nvidia drivers that you know worked on this card and see if the same troubles persist. There are downloadable card stress tests you can run to check the status of your card.
Worst case scenario, grab a cheapo returnable card and pop it in there and see if it doesn't solve your issue. Video cards do go bad, have shorts, power surges, poorly made, etc. This can result in fragments like what you are seeing, my last 4 year old card started whiting out the view, and as best as I can tell, it had just given up the ghost.
Power supply I am unaware of a stress test that can confirm if it is dying out, you usually just need to note the behavior of your PC. On most desktop PCs the power supply is usually only rock solid for about 5 years depending on use. I recently changed out the one on my 8 year old desktop PC that instantly solved issues that had cropped up for me.
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Give us an update Pally,
I tried sifting through the Nvidia forums but sheesh...what a cluster#$%^ that place is.
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It's started doing it on a few web pages now as well.
I attacked tiw tih canned air when it started doing that the other night, and turned it off shortly after.
I've installed EVGA Precision and I'm watching the temperature. It's been running around 26 C. I'm going ot pull up a few things to make it nutty and see how bad it gets.
IF it is a temperature thing, how on earth do I fix it? I actually have the side of my machine open since I need to replace the fan on that side. The fan on the on the card works and all the fans in the computer work. I've cleaned out all the dust bunnies. What's next?
Oh yes, tried this too:
If it really only does it with WoW, try the following:
Edit your config.wtf file (in the wtf subfolder of your WoW installation) and add the line:
SET gxApi "D3D11"
This will put WoW in DX11 mode. Maybe it'll fix your problem.
Didn't help. 
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Too bad
Well, it was worth trying at least.
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It's started doing it on a few web pages now as well.
I attacked tiw tih canned air when it started doing that the other night, and turned it off shortly after.
I've installed EVGA Precision and I'm watching the temperature. It's been running around 26 C. I'm going ot pull up a few things to make it nutty and see how bad it gets.
IF it is a temperature thing, how on earth do I fix it? I actually have the side of my machine open since I need to replace the fan on that side. The fan on the on the card works and all the fans in the computer work. I've cleaned out all the dust bunnies. What's next?
Oh yes, tried this too:
If it really only does it with WoW, try the following:
Edit your config.wtf file (in the wtf subfolder of your WoW installation) and add the line:
SET gxApi "D3D11"
This will put WoW in DX11 mode. Maybe it'll fix your problem.
Didn't help.
It is most definitely not a temperature issue at 26c. If its just happening during general use, it might be a power issue after all. Without using a meter and knowing what rails need to be rated at, a simple (but possibly ineffective) way to see if your power draw is screwed up is by unplugging all fans (except CPU) and unplugging all disk drives and extra hard disks. Also remove all non essential USB devices that are powered by the port.
Again, this isn't a definite thing. The other option is, quite simply, that your GPU is damaged somehow but that again would lead me to a power issue. Its hard to really say because now the only consistency you have is the manifestation of the problem and not the cause.
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I got it up to 46 degrees today but no fritz out. What's a "high" temp?
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I got it up to 46 degrees today but no fritz out. What's a "high" temp?
For that card? 70+. Its cap is 95. Its not a heat issue.
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yah 46 is pretty normal.
What does your heatsink look like?
Have you removed the fan from it, and cleaned the fins?
Don't do this unless you have the thermal compound to put back between the chip and sink.
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It starting to sound like you may have a defective card if you're having this issue on web pages.
it is odd that it's only effecting wow. I had a problem with a card I had when i didn't have a good enough power supply but all that really happened was i couldn't get more than 8 frames per second. I also had a problem where a fan died on my card and it ran the game fine, then the FPS would drop then completely freeze up my computer. So from my experience it doesn't sound like you're having either of those problems.
if you have 2gb ram for your computer you should be fine since you're using winXP 32 bit.
what processor are you using? Before I rebuilt my computer I had upgraded to a GTX 460 and was only getting like 50 fps at best. replaced my mobo/processor and went from 2gb to 8gb ram(also went to win 7 64 bit) and now i run at like 80 fps on the low end to over 200 fps on the high end.
but processor can make a huge difference and i'm not sure why.
the only real thing confusing me is that it is only WOW that is having issues. If need be and it won't kill you to do it, you might try Reinstalling WOW. it isn't "too" bad if you have the Cata disc or know someone who does. it'll install most everything then you have to run the updates. It could also be a complete waste of time to do that but if you have the time it wouldn't hurt anything.
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but processor can make a huge difference and i'm not sure why.
It's all about bottlenecks.
If you have an awesome graphics card, and a slow processor, your graphics are "waiting" on your processor to execute all of the required instructions.
If you have an awesome processor, and crappy graphics card, your processor is "waiting" in the graphics card to process all of the instructions.
If you have very little ram, both of the above are waiting on processed information to travel back and forth between all areas of the system.
Best case scenario? Having a system that is ONLY waiting on your broadband internet connection, if it ever has to wait at all.
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It hasn't been fritzing out recently and I did try to heat it up and overload it. So still at sea. Thanks for the suggestions though. I'm hoping that I'll get more of a clue once it does it again. In the mean time I'm not complaining.
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you can force it to overheat under controlled condition by using a hair dryer
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How old is this PC? Is it a laptop or desktop? If it's an older desktop PC I would definately bet on power supply or card with a glitch. Short in the video card can be caused by damage from a failing power supply. I've heard of older laptops with a failing old battery pack or faults caused by power surges (left plugged into the wall to charge overnight and a bad lightning storm caused power fluctuations) that led to shorted out cards, but that's pretty rare.
Power supply will go bad, its inevitable based on use and how stable your current is over time. If you do not use a basic surge protector, live in an area prone to brownouts/blackouts (California) or lightning strike outages (like me in Florida) you can shorten the life of the power supply. The symptoms of a failing powersupply sound like what you described as it will usually show up first on power intensive activities like 3D gaming/video but overtime will worsen as the PS gets worse and result in irregular behavior and eventually random shut downs/blue screen of death.
It's about a $60-120 part and so long as you get one that fits your casing and is the proper wattage for your motherboard it is a pretty easy repair. Although if you have never done it yourself, definately worth taking it to a repair shop and watching it be replaced as shorting out your MB can mean damage to basically everything, especially that harddrive.
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Best way to increase the lifespan of a power supply:
1) NEVER get the cheap crap made in china. Always get a reputable brand, like Corsair, Antec, Thermaltek, Seasonic or a few others. If it costs less than $50 (for a modern 750W or more PSU), then it's most likely crap. I paid my "Antec TruPower New 750W" PSU 140 Euros (approx. $160), but you can get 750W Corsair ones for significantly cheaper. Not only the "cheap crap" will last less, but it also puts your other components at risk if it burns. At least, even if you manage to burn your Corsair, it won't burn your whole motherboards before dying.
2) Do yourself a favor, buy yourself an UPS (uninterruptible power supply, not the delivery company  ). Is will not only protect your PSU from the variations of the current in your area, but also save you from losing all your data if you have a blackout.
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