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Topic: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]

Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	I have mix emotions about this decision. At first I was devasted when I heard about all the likly conference realignment issues that could possibly happen. Over the past couple of days I had come to terms and was actually warming up to the idea of KU playing in the Mountian West Conference, or possibly the Big East. While this is good news, atleast I do not have to worry about KU's immediate future, this seems like a two to three year stop gap. Eventually the Big 10 will want to add more, and so will the Pac 10 and SEC and a few years from now this will all be starting up again. http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5286672 I heard a friend start a rumor about the Big 12 inviting six schools to join them including Louisville, Memphis, and Arkansas. That would be a nice move and nice addition to the conference, even if they could only add Louisville and Memphis. Would make the Big 12 a great basketball conference, and well they would still have Texas and Oklahoma for Football. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	I for one, am incredibly pissed about this too. Bend over and grab your ankles cause no one will ever catch up to Texas again under this new plan. I sure hope you are right about this being only a stop gap and the conference breaking up in a few years! MU was on the verge of joining the Big 10 or the SEC, or even the Big East. ANY of those would be preferable to a conference with Texas in it. And this has nothing to do with on the field really. Texas was not a dominant player back in the SWC days, they only got that way over the last 15 years as their financial gap grew between them and the rest of the Big 12. Oh, and there is NO way that Arkansas would ever leave the SEC for any league with Texas in it. They got pissed bout all this years ago and left the SWC because of them. They know what Texas is like so I really have wondered why they keep getting mentioned in rumors unless these sports reporters don't bother to know their history (quite possible). Not to mention that the SEC has a good TV deal as well. -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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-Dirtbrother- Posts: 4,101 Registered: Sep 21, '02 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 3,491 User ID: 718,876	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	I would be very sad to see Utah leave the Mountain West now that the Pac 10 needs to find someone new to poach. The Mountain West is on the cusp of becoming a pretty awesome basketball conference and Kansas definitely would have put them over the top but i never expected them to actually join up, it would have been nice though. -----signature----- http://www.flickr.com/photos/48555049@N00/ gamertag: danunderscore
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	I agree completely Juzam. The thing that worries me is now Texas can pull the "We are the only reason you have a conference" card and get their way even more around the Big 12. I was very happy to be getting away from Texas, and like you said it is not because of on the field issues. It is because of the way that University acts. It is such a shame that the Oklahoma schools have to be attached to Texas' booty. This is just going to drive an even bigger wedge between the south and north teams in the Big 12. Next time expansion talk comes up, the Big 12 will crumble like an ancient ruin, this is just a stop gap at best. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	Mizzou was 4th in the conference in TV revenue last year behind Texas, OU, and Nebraska. We made 10.3? million TV dollars. Now we are contractually going to be a Tier 3 school. Tier 1 - ~22-25 million (Texas, OU, A&M), Tier 2 - ~15-17 million (Tech, Ok St), and Tier 3 - ~12-14 million (Mizzou, KU, Kstate, Iowa St, Baylor). Yay! The new saving TV contract increased our TV revenue.. whooptie freaking do! We can get another 4 million a year while everyone else in the conference gets a boatload more money. And the worst part is this is supposedly a 18 YEAR TV DEAL. I can't think of the term for sales of items with Mizzou stuffs on them (athletic marketing?) but Mizzou has made it up to the 17th most money generated by these sales. It is the only school in a state of ~7 million people with 2 major TV markets. It borders 3 Big 10 states, 3 SEC states, and 1 Big East state. Are you freaking kidding me that you are going to bend over and take it up the butt because Texas says you have no other options? ARGH. -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	Notice all the tier 3 schools are the ones who were left out of conference alignment talks, with the possible exception of Missouri. This is a horrible deal for the bottom five, but at the end of the day, what option did they honestly have? It was take this and take home a pay day better than the ACC, Pac 10, Big East schools even though other Big 12 schools are matching the Big 10, or go without a conference. I would think the Big East/MWC projections were not as good as this for the forgotten five. The Big 10 screwed Missouri in the end, it would appear to me that the Big 10 used Missouri to get Nebraska; once that was done they threw Missouri overboard. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	Ok, so at this time we are hearing that the tiers might not be set in stone (or there at all). In all reality this TV deal does not even exist yet and wouldn't start for another 2 years at least so its not getting worked up over.. yet. In all honesty, I am mostly mad at the Mizzou leadership rather than Texas - though they are a close second, or even the Big 10. The Mizzou guys should never have put their eggs in one basket - Hell, Mizzou should be one of the major players in a realignment imo because they have geography, marketing, and TV sets. We never used any of our leverage thinking we were all set - until it came crashing down. The moment we started looking around (SEC), and A&M started standing up to them, Texas came running back. Texas NEEDS the Big 12 more than we need them. That might sound counter intuitive, but Texas was just another also ran up until it joined the Big 12 and got all the sweet deals started. As the money grew, the gap widened. Now Texas can't join another conference without giving up its dominance - either financially or athletically. And nobody played that angle. NOBODY. Now I also believe that KU would have made it into a major conference - even if it was the Big East but I can see why they were afraid. And I don't even have to start on Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State.. -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	oh and in all honesty, I think that the Big 10 guys believed that the Big 12 was going to break up. That was the threat if Nebraska left. No one cared if Colorado or Missouri left, but Texas said they were gone if Nebraska left. I truly believe that is the only reason that they took Nebraska when they did. They wanted to Big 12 broken up and I think that they were completely intending on taking Missouri as well (and still might). It was a gamble that called Texas out - unfortunately for the Big 10, Texas was bluffing. I don't think the Big 10 is done, because Nebraska did not offer them what they wanted for expansion and I think that the goals of 16 team conferences with a playoff is still there for both the Big 10 and the Pac 10... I easily could be wrong, but I don't see this as over just yet. -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	Long run, no I do not think this is over one bit. I do believe that this is over for the next couple of years though. Regardless of what plans the Big 10 does have, they did not originally want to act on them until the end of next year. Their hand was forced, they brought in Nebraska, and I think they will sit and see how the first couple of seasons go with Nebraska in the Big 10. The Pac 10 I believe will add a team and wait to fire up its network before they try to expand again. The SEC and ACC has been fairly passive through all of this, so I do not forsee them trying anything soon either. I think it is safe to assume other than the last Pac-12 team, the conference alignment issues are over. I am not certian the Big 10 ever wanted to orginally go to 16 schools. The Pac 12 started that idea, but that was thrown down the river by Texas not going. Without Texas the Pac 12 never gets to 16 schools, and I think if the Pac 12 stays at 12 the other conferences will follow suit for atleast the immediate future. If the Big 12 schools were smart, they would get together and get on the same page, and make that page one that benefits all of the member schools. When conference realignment phase two starts the only hope the Big 12 has to stay alive is to be on the same page, and united with each other. On a side note, I do not buy into the fact that Missouri is a lock to join the Big 10, I used to think that way, but I am not so sure now. As you said Missouri is right on the edge of Big 10 territory as it is, and it is probably safe to assume they already have some of the St. Louis market. I could be wrong, but I am seriously begining to rethink how much interest the Big 10 in fact does have in Missouri. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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Amendial Posts: 5,462 Registered: Sep 8, '04 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 5,356 User ID: 965,019	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	Also I agree, Texas does need the Big 12 schools more than people realize. I wonder how much of this "interest" Texas showed in the Pac 10 was just to make the forgotten five schools in the Big 12 desperate enough to agree to Texas' insane demands. I am hoping beyond all hope that the Big 12 will wise up and stop letting Texas walk all over the other schools in the conference, but that probably will never happen. No one can blame the schools that left for leaving. -----signature----- Basur - 50 Jedi Shadow - Alduras - 30 Jedi Knight - Infinite Empire Brienna - 50 Sith Sorc - The Crucible Pits Kansas University Class of 2013! 2008 National Champions!! 2008 Orange Bowl Champions!!
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.Juzam. Title: Moderator I am THAT damn good! Posts: 7,860 Registered: Jul 11, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 7,730 User ID: 242,040	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	I don't necessarily think that Mizzou was a lock for the Big 10. I think that the Mizzou leadership thought that and didn't bother to try and get any leverage. I think the Big 10 knew Mizzou was its lapdog and used its leverage to cajole Nebraska into leaving, and thus initiating the breakup of the Big 12. After which, they could then scoop up Mizzou under whatever conditions they laid out. Texas bluffing and not leaving when Nebraska did poked major holes into the Big 10 plans. However, I do think that Mizzou was a lock to get into a BCS conference had the Big 12 broken up. Mizzou was a natural fit with the Big 10 and met all of their stated criteria. You never heard about any rumors of Mizzou to the SEC or anywhere else up until last week because everyone assumed they were Big 10 bound. Once it became apparent they were not, there began plenty of talk about where they would go. They were a natural fit to the SEC with A&M (provided OU did go to the Pac 10). Even the Big East started being mentioned due to Missouri bridging the gap from Kentucky to Kansas geographically. -----signature----- 61% of all hits on the internet are on sex sites.. .. .... ...... So.. what are you doing here?
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Wargasam Title: Moderator Posts: 12,615 Registered: Jun 5, '01 Extended Info (if available) Real Post Cnt: 11,898 User ID: 147,344	Subject: Texas trio of schools staying put in Big 12 [10]
	Well... not sure what to say. I would have liked OU to be a bigger part of the talk and not just let texas do what it wanted.... however from what I understand there was a lot of talking between texas and OU as to how both could reap the reward with this. Both are going to be bringing in a TON of money now, with the option to produce a solo tv deal if they want. Money wise I guess it makes sense but I would have rather had the conferences implode because then I think we would have had a playoff. Now no playoff IMO for at least 5-10 years. -----signature----- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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